Photography is Nothing

Epizode

• Lourdes Grobet 17.06.2026 46min

  Episode 40 - Zach & Courtney talk about Lourdes Grobet, an amazing Mexican photographer whose best known work is her nearly 40 years of documenting lucha libre, Mexican wrestling.Grobet’s work isn’t just unique because of the subject matter. She did a mix of action, documentary, behind-the-scenes, and portraiture, all with great skill.Other series by Grobet includes Paisajes Pintados (Painted Landscapes) and Laboratorio de Teatro Campesino e Indígena (Peasant and Indigenous Theater Laboratory).“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - Intro: The true story behind Nacho Libre!0:50 - Introducing Lourdes Grobet5:54 - Paisajes Pintados (Painted Landscapes)9:24 - Laboratorio de Teatro Campesino e Indígena11:15 - Documentary photography of lucha libre14:39 - Luchador El Santo17:39 - Luchador Blue Demon20:25 - Luchadors at their day jobs23:19 - Portraits of luchadors with their families30:44 - Frey Tormenta (the inspiration for Nacho Libre)35:45 - Thoroughly documenting a subject40:06 - Assignment: find this photo of Blue DemonThe Art of Photography interview with Lourdes Grobethttps://youtu.be/rElpkvx244Y?si=9rDIJyoVyC_GVcCmFind ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• PaJaMa Collective 10.06.2026 48min

  Episode 39 - Zach & Courtney talk about PaJaMa collective, made up of painters & photographers Paul Cadmus, Jared French, and Margaret French. Between 1937 and the mid 1950s, they created a set of photos that feel like summer. This episode about PaJaMa is also a great way to celebrate Pride Month, as the artists are credited as being the first queer art collective on Fire Island, NY.In this episode, we look through their vast archive of images, talk about how their painting styles were reflected in their photographs, and address the importance of these photos as a historical document of a community that largely lived their lives outside of public view.“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - Intro: Who is PaJaMa collective?2:11 - Photos locations: Fire Island, NY and Provincetown, MA5:27 - Photography used to be mostly private12:50 - Friends of PaJaMa16:15 - Queer history as told through photography. Alice Austen18:48 - Jared French & Paul Cadmus paintings23:06 - Alfred Eisenstaedt’s V-J Day photo is SA27:52 - About Margaret Hoening French28:25 - The photography of PaJaMa collective38:30 - Stone Blossom: A Conversation Piece by Paul Cadmus39:41 - What is the historical significance of PaJaMa?44:07 - Photographer George Platt Lynes - a friend of PaJaMa46:15 - Calvalrymen Crossing A River - Jared French**CORRECTIONS**In the audio, Zach states Chess and Politics is by Jared French. This is correct.The text incorrectly credits the painting to Paul Cadmus.Also, Zach called the Alfred Eisenstaedt photo, “V-E Day” but it’s actually “V-J Day”Find ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• Joel Meyerowitz - Cape Light 03.06.2026 38min

  Episode 38 - Zach & Courtney talk about photographer Joel Meyerowitz and his project Cape Light. This series, created in 1976-77 in Cape Cod, is a fantastic and nostalgic look at what summer feels like. Joel Meyerowitz is an early adapter of color photography in an era when “serious” art photographers chose black & white film. He is primarily known as a street photographer, but for this seminal series, now 50 years old, he put down the 35mm camera in favor of a massive 8x10 view camera, forcing himself to take a slower and more introspective approach. In this episode, we talk about the project, the creative choices Meyerowitz made, and the feelings inspired by the resulting images.“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - Intro: Carrying a 8x10 camera everywhere2:41 - Who comes to mind when thinking about summer photography?3:48 - A quick background on Joel Meyerowitz6:36 - How Robert Frank influenced Joel Meyerowitz9:14 - Experimenting with larger cameras to capture more detail9:48 - Cape Light is about capturing the feel of the place12:37 - Lightning strike from the porch15:25 - Laundry blowing in the breeze18:03 - Book cover photo19:28 - Master printer Joanne Mulberg23:52 - The Feelings evoked from Cape Light33:20 - How Cape Light was influential35:51 - Thumbnail previews of all 95 Cape Light photos37:38 - Who else should we talk about for summer photos?Find ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• Indy 500 2026 29.05.2026 29min

  Episode 37 - Zach & Courtney head to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway for their annual trek to the famed Indianapolis 500 Mile Race, aka the Indy 500. This episode is a visual experience! You have to see the sights through video clips and photos.This is Neve’s first Indy 500, so we were all very excited to show her what it’s like, especially her older siblings Henry and Louisa, who are practically race pros by now.In this episode we walk and talk and take you into the crowds so you can get a firsthand look at the experience. And as usual, Zach documents the day, so his photos are throughout the episode, too.“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - Intro: Zach & Courtney hide their beers. Sorta.0:45 - Walking with the crowds to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway8:36 - Walking into the IMS and finding our seats in Turn One11:27 - Exploring the infield before the Indy 500 starts14:00 - We go on the track at the speedway16:59 - Gasoline Alley and the Pagoda24:10 - Pre-race ceremonies at the Indy 50026:41 - The closest finish EVER at the Indy 500!27:56 - Thoughts on the race and walking back to the carFind ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• Ruedi Hofmann - Photographer & Master Printer 20.05.2026 1h 21min

  Episode 36 - In this episode, Zach & Courtney talk with Ruedi Hofmann, photographer and master printer for Richard Avedon's In the American West.Ruedi Hofmann has worked as a professional photographer since the 1980s with regular clients like Giorgio Armani. But before that, Hofmann worked for 5 years with Richard Avedon as Studio Manager, First Assistant on the In The American West series, and finally as Master Printer for the artist’s most famous project.In this interview, Hofmann tells us stories about working with Avedon, how he reluctantly agreed to print In The American West, and his own career in fashion & portraiture.For his work as Master Printer, Hofmann received from Avedon one edition of each photo he printed, making him owner of one of only three complete sets of In the American West.“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - Introducing Ruedi Hofmann - photographer and master printer1:39 - How Ruedi got started in photography.4:21 - What it was like working in Richard Avedon’s studio.15:19 - How Avedon chose Hofmann to print his photos.22:17 - Ruedi’s terms for staying on to the end of In The American West.25:49 - Leveraging the Avedon name for products & services.27:09 - Working your way up at Avedon’s studio.28:53 - The importance of the master printer’s role in making a photograph.31:06 - Ruedi tells us Avedon’s reaction to the first ~100 prints.34:21 - Ruedi Hofmann’s career as a professional photographer.43:59 - Richard Avedon and Laura Wilson worked together to find subjects.47:43 - What it was like for Avedon’s Western subjects.55:38 - The new Avedon documentary declined Ruedi’s participation.58:14 - A photography project is bigger than just the photographer.1:09:27 - Ruedi’s thoughts on Avedon’s destruction of his negatives.1:15:33 - Ruedi feels a responsibility to the people he’s photographing.In this interview, we reference a video where Hofmann speaks with Richard Corman in great detail about the technical processes of printing In The American West. You can watch that here: https://www.ruedihofmann.com/avedon-west-collectionYou can learn more about Ruedi's ownership of the Avedon prints in Zach's video here: https://youtu.be/StKEn_kjc5QFind ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• Famous Photographers' Family Photos 13.05.2026 45min

  Episode 35 - In this episode, Zach & Courtney talk about famous photographers photographing their own families. After last week’s episode about documenting everyday life, Zach wanted to talk about some famous photographers who documented their own life, and specifically their family.Documentary photographers are known for telling stories about hard-hitting issues in the world. But some well-known photographers have very famous images that focus on their own family members or home life.Seeing how fine art, documentary, and street photographers chronicle their own family can show us how this type of work is important for any of us to do.“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - Intro: Courtney helps Zach gain a deeper appreciate for Sally Mann5:27 - Sabine Weiss & her husband Hugh Weiss7:04 - W. Eugene Smith & kids11:22 - Christopher Anderson w/ Atlas & Marion13:31 - Inge Morath & Arthur Miller15:39 - William Eggleston & his kids (MAYBE)17:04 - Stephen Shore & his wife Ginger18:11 - Sally Mann & her kids24:26 - Nancy Sheung & daughter25:12 - Larry Fink & his daughter Molly with the Sabatine family27:21 - Garry Winogrand & his kids at the zoo30:00 - Lee Friedlander & his wife Maria and their kids34:17 - Following up on Documentary Photography is for Everyone36:16 - Zach feels more connected to the world when photographing it42:45 - It’s important to strike a balance between photographer & person Find ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• Documentary Photography is for Everyone 06.05.2026 54min

  Episode 34 - In this episode, Zach & Courtney talk about the importance of documenting our lives. It’s could be easy to dismiss photographing everyday life and the world around us, but it’s an important practice. We learn a lot about the past from ordinary images, maybe even more than we learn from the major events that people might consider “photo worthy.”What did people really look like and dress like? How did they interact with each other? What did people do in their daily lives? What do the places where they live and work and interact look like?Photographers who document the world are not just making a record of their family, but also providing a view of our society as a whole.“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - Intro: These pictures will matter.3:12 - Barriers to entry for “documentary photography”4:39 - When Zach started documenting everyday life12:07 - We underestimate the wider value of photographing our families21:36 - We need photos of daily life to know what the past was like23:56 - William Eggleston’s photos weren’t well received at the time25:24 - How do you do documentary photography29:03 - Awesome photo of baseball player Jo Adell taken by a fan32:04 - Documentary photography brings the story to a larger audience39:16 - Just start taking photos. Don’t worry about making good ones.47:25 - The only impact we have on the world is what comes from within usFind ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• Baseball - Photography is Nothing with Zach Dobson & Courtney McCracken 29.04.2026 50min

  Episode 33 - In this episode, Zach & Courtney talk about their recent trip to the ballpark and learn about a photographer from the golden age of baseball. Charles M. Conlon photographed baseball between 1904-1941, taking absolutely gorgeous photos of some of the game’s most famous names.“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - Intro: Photographers need to share their photos0:53 - Going to an Indianapolis Indians baseball game6:15 - Photos of being a spectator at the baseball game9:04 - One of the greatest baseball photographers: Charles M. Conlon12:05 - Photo of Ty Cobb sliding into third base17:49 - Portraits from the golden age of baseball by Charles Conlon24:25 - Conlon photographs Shoeless Joe Jackson w/ Black Betsy26:53 - Cornelius McGillicuddy aka Connie Mack28:16 - Rube Waddell31:14 - Charles Conlon focused on the people & personalities32:48 - Masking photos the old fashioned way40:07 - Charles Albert “Chief” Bender41:01 - Photographing players’ wives and children44:05 - Why Charles Conlon destroyed half of his negatives45:51 - Part of being a photographer is sharing your workFind ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• Moab, Utah - Photography is Nothing with Zach Dobson & Courtney McCracken 22.04.2026 51min

  Episode 32 - Zach & Courtney talk about one of their favorite trips: Moab, Utah! They visit Arches National Park, Canyonlands National Park, Dead Horse Point State Park, and more!Zach used to photograph weddings and that’s how he ended up in Moab 3 years in a row. Courtney & Henry went, too, on the second year. On this episode they discuss their highlights from the trip, which (in addition to the parks, of course) included staying at Whispering Oaks Ranch in the La Sal Mountains.Zach & Courtney talk about the trip, life lessons they learned, and the photos Zach took along the way.“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - Intro: Does Google own my photo now??3:19 - How we started booking weddings in Moab5:46 - Driving to Moab via Denver7:55 - Every road in Moab felt like different terrain10:18 - Some background on Arches, Canyonlands and Moab17:44 - Getting married under Double Arch in Arches National Park19:31 - Courtney & Henry visit Moab for the first time with Zach24:23 - Favorite breakfast: Jailhouse Cafe25:31 - Best fish tacos ever: Miguel’s Baja Grill27:30 - Carrying a toddler through the National Parks32:16 - It looks like you’re closer to the cliff’s edge than you are36:14 - Moab wedding number 239:26 - Visiting Canyonlands National Park42:10 - Finding the Petroglyphs46:30 - A third wedding in Moab at Whispering Oaks Ranch49:17 - A final photo at night on the La Sal MountainsFind ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• Yes, Michigan! - Photography is Nothing with Zach Dobson & Courtney McCracken 15.04.2026 44min

  Episode 31 - Zach & Courtney talk about a trip to Hoeft State Park located on the beautiful shores of Lake Huron in Rogers City, Michigan. They stayed in a 1929 Sears Roebuck house just 100 yards from the beach, visited 40 Mile Point Lighthouse and Rogers City Marina, and took in a super early morning sunrise.Zach & Courtney talk about the trip, life lessons they learned, and the photos Zach took along the way.“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - Intro: Adventures lead to personal growth0:55 - Visiting Lake Huron in Michigan2:32 - How to find an amazing cabin in Michigan10:55 - Courtney loves the Edmund Fitzgerald15:03 - All about the cabin at Hoeft State Park18:20 - Kids don’t care if the water is cold22:57 - Visiting Rogers City and the Marina24:10 - Zach’s favorite photo at the marina26:26 - Going fishing inland Michigan28:06 - Packing food for a whole trip29:30 - Why it’s important for families to have adventures31:36 - Our teen insisted on seeing the sunrise over Lake Huron33:50 - Visiting the 40 Mile Point Lighthouse40:27 - Telling a story in a photo41:10 - Taking a family photo during our adventuresFind ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• Florida Keys Road Trip - Photography is Nothing with Zach Dobson & Courtney McCracken 08.04.2026 39min

  Episode 30 - Zach & Courtney talk about a favorite family trip: A roadtrip through the Florida Keys! In 2018, Courtney, Zach, and (then) 4 kids, drove nearly 3,000 miles from Indianapolis, IN to Key West, FL (and back, of course).On this episode we talk about the experience, including our favorite spots, things we learned, and the photos Zach took along the way.“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - Intro - He stitched two mattresses together to make a giant bed0:49 - Going on a Florida Keys Roadtrip1:44 - Planning to escape the Midwest in winter3:44 - Racing to beat a snow storm7:03 - Driving into the Keys from Miami is supposed to be quick8:48 - Are the Florida Keys kid-friendly?10:25 - There are very few natural beaches in the Keys11:10 - Plan to stay in motels in the Florida Keys15:18 - Zach had never seen water this color15:44 - Visiting Key West as a family24:10 - Ernest Hemingway’s house in Key West25:28 - Kids are learning their own way28:12 - Easter Mass in Key West29:29 - Southernmost Point of the Continental US30:13 - Bahia Honda State Park31:03 - Marathon and Islamorada33:15 - The story behind my favorite Florida Keys photo35:15 - John Pennekamp Coral Reef State Park38:04 - We need a bigger car than a Chevy SuburbanFind ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• All-Time Best Basketball Photos - Photography is Nothing with Zach Dobson & Courtney McCracken 01.04.2026 1h 4min

  Zach & Courtney talk about Zach’s six selections for all-time best basketball photos. Plus, they take a look at the photography of Walter Iooss, Jr., who has photographed professional sports in 7 different decades!“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - Intro - Zach didn’t know he once worked for Atlantic Records2:16 - What is the criteria for best basketball photos of all time?7:33 - Some of the most famous/infamous photos of basketball in Indiana9:57 - Wilt Chamberlain photographed by Paul Vathis. 1962.14:32 - 16 year-old Kareem Abdul-Jabber photographed by Richard Avedon. 1963.20:41 - The Big Three. Miami Heat. Photographed by Morry Gash. 2010.22:39 - NC State Championship. Photographed by Malcom Emmons. 1983.32:46 - Dennis Rodman photographed by Sam Forencich. 1997.35:20 - Michael Jordan game-winning shot photographed by Fernando Medina. 1998.44:57 - The basketball photography of Walter Iooss, Jr.58:30 - Kobe Bryant photographed by Walter Iooss, Jr.Find ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• Basketball - Photography is Nothing with Zach Dobson & Courtney McCracken 25.03.2026 44min

  Episode 28 - Zach & Courtney take a look through Zach’s archive of basketball photography from around the state of Indiana.Indiana is of course the best state in the country for basketball. In this episode, Zach & Courtney talk about their own experiences with the sport as well as go in-depth on Zach’s photos and his approach to photographing basketball.“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - Zach & Courtney each played one season of basketball0:56 - Getting the NBA Finals patch on the Pacers jersey3:44 - In 49 states it’s just basketball, but this is Indiana4:51 - The largest high school gyms in the country are in Indiana6:54 - What it was like in the 90’s9:58 - Zach’s basketball photography10:19 - Practicing free throws11:19 - Player intros in black & white14:19 - Photographing basketball above the rim16:50 - The crowd jeers during free throws18:58 - Why take photos from low angles20:01 - Zach is in the Indiana High School Basketball Hall of Fame 21:39 - Inspiration from a photo of Babe Ruth22:47 - Photographing basketball behind the scenes24:57 - Why photographing with a wide lens is better26:03 - Photographers photographing photographers27:02 - Photographing the scale of the games 28:29 - Basketball is THE entertainment in small towns30:38 - Trey Lyles before he played in the NBA31:26 - Zach’s favorite cheerleader photo32:32 - Courtney says the physical closeness of sports is important for boys34:21 - A detail photo from a small town gym34:50 - A look of confusion from the head coach 35:50 - The Wigwam in Anderson, Indiana37:11 - The Indianapolis Indians are approved by the Miami tribe39:24 - Photographing for the Indiana Pacers41:25 - Basketball is the good part of IndianaFind ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• St. Patrick’s Day - Photography is Nothing with Zach Dobson & Courtney McCracken 17.03.2026 53min

  Zach & Courtney take the family to the St. Patrick’s Day parade in Indianapolis, IN. They talk about the experience while looking through Zach’s documentary photography from the event. Courtney tells Zach what she learned about Irish photographer Jane Shackleton (1843-1909) and they go through some of her photos together.“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - Courtney wants to talk with Irish people0:56 - Zach, Courtney, and family at the St. Patrick’s Day Parade2:40 - Where do you get a St. Patrick’s Day suit?4:49 - How do you get access to photograph a parade?8:15 - Photographing the St. Patrick’s Day Parade in Indianapolis23:36 - Making sure to get a family photo at every event24:46 - Courtney’s advice to parents with small kids32:26 - The best Irish TV shows35:43 - Must Know Photographer: Jane Shackleton44:33 - Slideshows were the social media of the 20th century47:01 - Talking through our favorite Jane Shackleton photos52:04 - It’s not always easy to find historical women photographersFind ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• Photography Hot Takes - Photography is Nothing with Zach Dobson & Courtney McCracken 11.03.2026 58min

  Episode 26 - Photographers are a passionate bunch and always have hot takes about our beliefs and convictions surrounding our art. And this goes all the way to the beginning of photography with the original hot take: Is photography art?Zach and Courtney discuss some of the biggest hot takes throughout the history of photography.In this episode we talk about current & historical photography hot takes like…Photography isn’t artPhotography should only reflect realityColor photography isn’t artFilm is better than digitalPlus Zach & Courtney give their own personal photography hot takes.“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - They said my high school photography was better0:48 - Photography hot takes: past & present1:40 - When should photographers volunteer their time5:21 - Photography is not art7:11 - Henry Peach Robinson wrote the book on Pictorialism12:44 - Eugene Atget showed how documentary photography could be art17:01 - Edward Steichen - The Flatiron (1904)18:09 - Ansel Adams hated pictorialism20:03 - f64 was a group of photographers advocating for realism26:00 - Color photography is vulgar27:03 - Don’t colorize black & white photos34:10 - Film is better than digital40:14 - Street photography hot take: wait to share your photos43:38 - Zach says photographers are content creators51:11 - Courtney cares who is behind the camera54:46 - The internet preferred Zach’s high school photographyFind ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• Best Photos of the 2026 Olympics - Photography is Nothing with Zach Dobson & Courtney McCracken 25.02.2026 48min

  Episode 25 - Bringing you the best action and documentary photography from the Milano Cortina 2026 Winter Olympic Games! Zach scoured the internet to find the greatest photos of the Olympics so he and Courtney could discuss the making, the meaning, and the impact they’ve had on our view of the games.In this episode we talk about… Women showing up in numbers and making fantastic photos at the 2026 OlympicsTech used by Getty including remote cameras, thermal images, composites, and an old Graflex camera.Photos that set a scene and draw us in with excellent compositionGreat moments caught on camera that will come to define these Olympic GamesSome of Zach’s favorite photographers from this Olympics: Kohjiro Kinno, Florence Pernet, Pauline Ballet, and Gabbie Bhaskar.“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - Athletes being photographed by the best photographers in the world1:57 - Great women photographers at the 2026 Olympics5:13 - 2026 Olympics photos with great composition16:34 - Photography helps define the most important moments of the Olympics25:24 - Photographers capturing the same moment from different angles. 29:14 - Photography tech used at the 2026 Winter Olympic Games30:11 - Remote cameras32:00 - Thermal cameras at the Olympics33:47 - Getty’s vintage Graflex camera with modern upgrades34:51 - Composite photos from Getty photographers38:06 - Kohjiro Kinno39:52 - Florence Pernet41:32 - Gabbie Bhaskar43:44 - Pauline Ballet46:29 - Wow! 25 episodes! Thanks for watching.Find ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• Olympic Fashion Photography - Photography is Nothing with Zach Dobson & Courtney McCracken 18.02.2026 43min

  Episode 24 - There is typically lots of fashion & editorial photography that surrounds the Olympics. For this year’s 2026 Winter Olympics, Zach & Courtney found three cool photoshoots, but feel like there should be a lot more!In this episode we talk about… Win Tam’s high-fashion photos of Team China for VogueMan ChinaFrench photographer Mathieu Forget photographing Italian Olympians in a 5-star Milan hotelNewel Odin’s sleek, modern images of Team FranceWe also take an historical look at Olympics editorial photoshoots by Annie Leibovitz, Bruce Weber, and Ryan McGinley and compare them to what we’re seeing today. PLUS, Courtney talks about how the Olympics are neither the time nor place for public wedding proposals and Zach gets up in arms about how photographers need to be credited correctly for their work.“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - Where are the photoshoots? Are major publications commissioning less work?0:45 - Olympic fashion photography1:58 - Win Tam’s photos for VogueMan China8:13 - Mathieu Forget photographs Olympians in a 5-star hotel13:51 - Nawel Odin photographs the French Olympic bobsled & luge team17:39 - It seems like magazines are doing fewer photoshoots for the Olympics20:59 - Where are the editorial photoshoots by women?23:16 - Annie Leibovitz’s 1996 Olympic photoshoot for Vanity Fair30:59 - Where are the big photoshoots of Olympians?33:00 - Too much coverage of Breezy Johnson’s engagement38:11 - The right way to give photo credits to photographersFind ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• Photography Q&A - Photography is Nothing with Zach Dobson & Courtney McCracken 11.02.2026 54min

  Episode 23 - What focal length lens do you use for backstage photography? Do you ever use “silent shutter” mode? Do you use fixed focal length? Do you have insurance on all your cameras & gear?What do people who are actually from working class areas of England think of Martin Parr’s documentation of New Brighton?In this episode, we answer questions and read comments from viewers and talk about retiring the Mystery Zine. We also address some of the most common questions we’ve received in the 4 years of printing our quarterly magazine. “Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - What happens when your camera gear damages property?0:16 - Want to learn about photography? Ask us your questions!3:05 - What do people think of Martin Parr’s The Last Resort?9:30 - Should I use “silent shutter” mode on a DSLR?11:16 - What is “rolling shutter effect”?14:08 - What focal length to use when you’re close to people?18:25 - Film vs Digital21:06 - How important is the camera lens?23:19 - Should I use the same brand camera & lens?24:53 - Camera & general liability insurance for photographers28:00 - What happens if I damage on a photoshoot (a story)29:47 - Is a laptop or desktop better for photographers?32:22 - What the sigma?35:01 - How to start publishing a photography zineFind the Mystery Zinehttps://zachdobson.bigcartel.com/product/mystery-zine-17Find ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• Backstage - Photography is Nothing with Zach Dobson & Courtney McCracken 28.01.2026 58min

  Episode 22 - This week we talk about going behind the scenes and photographing backstage at concerts, shows, and events. When attending a performance, what happens on stage is only one small part of the story. Going backstage to photograph the emotion, preparation, and all the moving parts offers a more complete sense of what it takes to make a show happen.In this episode, we go through Zach’s backstage photography of concerts, comedy shows, dance performances and more. We also look at the work of photographers Sasha Gusov (ballet), Jim Marshall (music), and Marsha Bernstein (fashion).“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - Garry Winogrand’s wife was married to a lens.0:25 - Today’s subject is backstage photography.1:35 - Courtney says why it’s important for kids to perform.6:49 - Why we’re talking about backstage photography.10:14 - Zach’s first big behind-the-scenes opportunity: a comedy festival in LA.15:42 - What Zach learned photographing Mel Brooks backstage.20:46 - The kids got into dance, so now we are, too.32:32 - Photographing our kids in Bye Bye Birdie.37:10 - A photographer’s photo.46:50 - Russian photographer Sasha Gusov photographs the Bolshoi Ballet.50:55 - Iconic rock & roll photographer Jim Marshall.54:32 - Fashion photographer Marsha Bernstein.57:37 - Courtney’s opening night performance.Find ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.
• Martin Parr - Photography is Nothing with Zach Dobson & Courtney McCracken 21.01.2026 51min

  Episode 21 - This week we talk about the late great Martin Parr. Starting in the black & white documentary tradition in the 1970s, Parr’s work took a bold turn to color accentuated by flash in 1982. While still documentary in nature, in that he didn’t stage or pose scenes, Parr acknowledged that his photos were more of a personal interpretation of reality than a strict document of fact. He said…“I want to try and leave a set of images that sort of tell us about the times we live in and my relationship to it. My pictures are fictional in the sense that i'm often using flash so it's not something you would see with the human eye. I’m trying to ally it to my … feelings but it is still based on the reality that's out there so it's not lies, it's just an interpretation. So it's my personal interpretation of what i see in front of me, which is somewhat exaggerated.”Zach & Courtney go through some of Parr’s most famous, and lesser known, works to talk about his influence on the photography world and on them personally. They also talk about the Martin Parr Foundation and its mission to give back to the photographic community at large.“Photography is nothing–it's life that interests me.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson Index0:00 - “A dedicated enemy to everything I believe in.” 0:35 - An introduction to photographer Martin Parr.4:50 - I really love your early work.9:36 - Prestwich Mental Hospital. 1972.11:28 - The Non-Conformists. 1975-79.19:47 - Why Martin Parr switched to color photography. 1982.20:40 - The Last Resort. 1983-85.27:27 - The Cost of Living. 1989-92.29:47 - Photojournalist Philip Jones Griffiths doesn’t want Parr in Magnum Photos.36:23 - Tourists at the Leaning Tower of Pisa. 1990.38:26 - Documenting leisure pursuits of the Western World.40:05 - Tourists at the Grand Canyon, Arizona. 1994.41:18 - Martin Parr photographed a lot of cell phones.46:28 - A photo that Martin Parr regretted missing.48:48 - How Martin Parr influences Zach today.InterviewsThe World According to Parr. 2003.https://youtu.be/MCRyB2SFQZ4?si=JO_GUTdlclHZb5Rq"First priority is to make an entertaining picture." | Photographer Martin Parr | Louisiana Channel. 2022.https://youtu.be/ibqDOm3i0eA?si=he49WecFDjp-qR_3Framelines: A Conversation with Martin Parr. 2025https://youtu.be/S7ULlEIwqTs?si=CXHsz_3FBVJkyO2SFind ZachWebsite: https://zachdobson.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphotoThreads: https://www.threads.com/@zachdobsonphotoFind CourtneyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneymccracken_/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessonsThreads: https://www.threads.com/@courtneymccracken_About the PodcastPhotography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.Fair Use StatementThis document contains copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. I have determined this to be "fair use" of the copyrighted material as referenced and provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use any copyrighted material from this document for purposes of your own that go beyond fair use, you must obtain express permission from the copyright owner.