Outside Ourselves
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Outside Ourselves with Kelsi Klembara features conversations about God’s gift of faith. It explores what it means for saving faith to stand outside of our abilities and works. Kelsi discusses questions about the Christian faith with theologians and theology lovers. New episodes are released every other week. The podcast is part of the 1517 Podcast Network.
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The Ache of Living this Side of the Sky with Laura Wifler 15.09.2026 53minKelsi chats with author, Laura Wifler, about her first book of poetry, This Side of the Sky: 101 Poems and Scriptures for the Hungry, Hopeful, and Homesick.Laura Wifler is a poet, educator, and bestselling author of books for both adults and children. Laura has long offered Christian women a place to feel seen in the midst of ordinary life. Through her poetry, she is known for giving language to what many women feel but struggle to name. Over the years, Laura has authored multiple bestselling, award-winning books for children, including "Any Time, Any Place, Any Prayer" and "Like Me," and is the co-author of the bestselling book "Risen Motherhood." Laura lives in central Iowa with her husband and three children.Show Notes:Support 1517 Podcast Network1517 Podcasts1517 on Youtube1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 Events Schedule1517 Academy - Free Theological EducationMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's SubstackSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Laura: Order This Side of the SkyLaura's SubstackLaura's Instagram -
When “Fear Not” Feels Impossible with Luke Kjolhaug 01.09.2026 48minAuthor and Pastor, Luke Kjolhaug, joins Kelsi to talk about his new book, Fear Not: How the Gospel Disrupts Our Deepest Anxieties. The two talk about how "Fear Not " is often less of a command than it is a promise throughout Scripture and how we can rely on Jesus to defeat our deepest anxieties. Luke Kjolhaug is the pastor of Elim Lutheran Church in Osakis, Minnesota. He holds undergraduate degrees from Wheaton College and the University of Minnesota, as well as a master’s degree from Lutheran Brethren Seminary. Luke is the author of Sinner Saint: A Surprising Primer for the Christian Life. He and his wife Bethannie have been blessed with two daughters.Timecodes: 00:00 Introduction05:30 Personal Connection to Fear Not11:17 Understanding Fear in Scripture13:19 Fear and Anxiety18:10 The Cultural Context of Fear24:39 Wrestling with Fear and Faith29:59 Understanding the Fear of God34:25 Fear of the Future43:27 FOMO and Covetousness in Modern LifeShow Notes:Support 1517 Podcast Network1517 Podcasts1517 on Youtube1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 Events Schedule1517 Academy - Free Theological EducationMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's SubstackSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Luke: Preorder Fear NotFollow Luke on Instagram
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The World Has Forgotten How to Forgive with Amy Orr-Ewing 18.08.2026 48minKelsi is joined by theologian, Amy Orr-Ewing, to discuss the unique gift of Christian forgiveness which Amy writes about in her most recent book, Forgiveness: Reclaiming its Power in a Culture of Outrage and Fear.Amy Orr-Ewing (DPhil, Oxford University) is an international speaker, theologian, and apologist. She is the author of multiple books, including Where Is God in All the Suffering? and Why Trust the Bible? Orr-Ewing speaks at churches and on university campuses around the world and has spoken in the UK Parliament, the United States Capitol, and the West Wing of the White House. She previously served as president of the Oxford Centre for Christian Apologetics and is an honorary lecturer at the University of Aberdeen. She lives near Oxford, England, with her husband and their three sons.Show Notes:Support 1517 Podcast Network1517 Podcasts1517 on Youtube1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 Events Schedule1517 Academy - Free Theological EducationMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's SubstackSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Amy:Forgiveness: Reclaiming Its Power in a Culture of OutrageAmy's WebsiteFollow Amy on Instagram
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Christianity: Antidote to Progress with Eddie LaRow 04.08.2026 1h 11minKelsi chat with author and editor, Eddie LaRow, about his forthcoming book, After Progress: How an Ancient Faith Roots a Restless Generation, the needs of those of us living in a digital age, and how those needs are met time and again by Christ and the cross. Eddie LaRow is an acquisitions editor at Baker Books. He has spent nearly a decade in publishing, and his essays have appeared in First Things, Ad Fontes, Mere Orthodoxy, The American Mind, and on his Substack. Show Notes:Support 1517 Podcast Network1517 Podcasts1517 on Youtube1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 Events Schedule1517 Academy - Free Theological EducationMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's SubstackSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Eddie:Eddie's Substack
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Why Women Need Good Theology with Mary Van Weelden 21.07.2026 59minContent Manager for Sola Media, Mary Van Weelden, joins Kelsi to talk about the importance of making sure Christian women receive sound theological teaching and training from the local church, especially in the digital age where Tiktok and Instagram influencers often serve as our guides to theology, life, and more. Mary Van Weelden is Content Manager at Sola Media, a graduate of Westminster Seminary California, a writer, a pastor’s wife, and a former journalist.Show Notes:Support 1517 Podcast Network1517 Podcasts1517 on Youtube1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 Events Schedule1517 Academy - Free Theological EducationMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's SubstackSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Mary:Subscribe to Mary's SubstackFollow Mary on XMary is currently writing a book for P&R's Rooted in Wisdom Study Series entitled, Wisdom for Unwanted Seasons.
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The Crisis of Morality (and Importance of Christian Virtue) with Alan Noble 07.07.2026 55minAuthor Alan Noble joins Kelsi to talk about the importance of Christian virtue, rooting virtue in the gospel and Noble's latest book, To Live Well: Practical Wisdom for Moving through Chaotic Times.Dr. O. Alan Noble is Associate Professor of English at Oklahoma Baptist University and author of numerous books and articles. Show Notes:Support 1517 Podcast Network1517 Podcasts1517 on Youtube1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 Events Schedule1517 Academy - Free Theological EducationMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's SubstackSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Alan: Purchase To Live WellSubscribe to Alan's SubstackAlan's Website
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The Spiritual Search for More with Belle Tindall-Riley 23.06.2026 1h 1minKelsi talks with author and theologian, Belle Tindall-Riley, about her new book, The Sacred Ache, and Gen Z's search for the spiritual. Belle holds a Doctorate in Biblical Studies and her debut book, The Sacred Ache, was published in the UK June 2026. She is also editor-in-chief of The Mockingbird magazine. The Sacred Ache will be out in the U.S. early next year. Show Notes:Support 1517 Podcast Network1517 Podcasts1517 on Youtube1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 Events Schedule1517 Academy - Free Theological EducationMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's SubstackSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Belle:Read Belle at Seen and UnseenBelle's PodcastFollow Belle on Instagram
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The Lutheran View of Baptism with Brian Thomas 08.06.2026 37minKelsi interviews Pastor Brian W. Thomas about his latest book with 1517 Publishing, By Water and the Word: God's Gift of Baptism for You at the latest Northwest Arkansas HWSS conference. The book serves as a visual and written guide to the Lutheran view of baptism which Kelsi and Brian both argue lines up with the Scriptural view of baptism. Brian W. Thomas is the pastor of Grace Lutheran in San Diego, California. He frequently contributes to 1517 and has written several books, including Wittenberg vs. Geneva: A Biblical Bout in Seven Rounds on Doctrines that Divide and Clothed with Christ: A Biblical Style Guide for Sinners.Show Notes:Support 1517 Podcast Network1517 Podcasts1517 on Youtube1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 Events Schedule1517 Academy - Free Theological EducationMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's SubstackSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Brian: Purchase By Water and the Word
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How to be Human with Carl Trueman 26.05.2026 46minKelsi talks with church historian, professor, and author, Carl Trueman about his newest book, The Desecration of Man: How the Rejection of God Degrades Our Humanity. Carl R. Trueman (PhD, University of Aberdeen) is professor of biblical and religious studies at Grove City College. He is an esteemed church historian and previously served as the William E. Simon Fellow in Religion and Public Life at Princeton University. Trueman has authored or edited more than a dozen books, including The Creedal Imperative; Luther on the Christian Life; and Histories and Fallacies. Trueman is a member of The Orthodox Presbyterian Church.Show Notes:Support 1517 Podcast Network1517 Podcasts1517 on Youtube1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 Events Schedule1517 Academy - Free Theological EducationMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's SubstackSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeOrder The Desecration of Man: How the Rejection of God Degrades Our Humanity by Carl Trueman
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The Future of Family with Scott Keith 12.05.2026 53min1517 Executive Director Scott Keith joins Kelsi to discuss his new book, Being Family: Passing Down the Faith Through the Generations. Show Notes:Support 1517 Podcast Network1517 Podcasts1517 on Youtube1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 Events Schedule1517 Academy - Free Theological EducationMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's SubstackSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeOrder Being Family by Scott Keith
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The Culture of God's Word with Hal Senkbeil and Lucas Woodford 28.04.2026 59minKelsi chats with co-authors, Hal Senkbeil and Lucas Woodford of the newly released "The Culture of God's Word: Faithful Ministry in a Post-Christian Society." The duo talk about remaining faithful to the preaching of God's effective words of law and gospel no matter what ministry trends or cultural contexts surround us. They also discuss the importance of allowing the Word to supersede culture wars and the call for the church to embrace both hospitality and embodiment. Rev. Dr. Lucas V. Woodford, (MDiv, STM, DMin), is President of the Minnesota South District of the Lutheran Church – Missouri Synod and Associate Pastor of Trinity Lutheran Church, Farmington, MN. Dr. Woodford is a Fellow in the Collegium of DOXOLOGY: The Lutheran Center for Spiritual Care and Counsel, charged with research, writing, and speaking regarding the care of souls in the contemporary context. President Woodford is a husband to Becca and father to their seven children, five girls and two boys.Harold L. Senkbeil was born and raised on a Minnesota farm. His rural background has shaped his approach to work and people. He married Jane Frances Nesset in 1971. They are the parents of three and the grandparents of four. Harold was a parish pastor for 31 years prior to accepting a position as Associate Professor of Ministry and Mission at Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne, Indiana. Since 2008 he has served as Executive Director for Spiritual Care for DOXOLOGY: The Lutheran Center for Spiritual Care and Counsel and spends his time teaching and encouraging pastors to hone their skills in the ancient art of the cure of souls. Show Notes:Support 1517 Podcast Network1517 Podcasts1517 on Youtube1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 Events Schedule1517 Academy - Free Theological EducationMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's SubstackSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Hal and Lucas:Order The Culture of God's WordSubscribe to Hal's SubstackFollow Hal on XFollow Lucas on XDoxology's Website
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Blaise Pascal: Faith, the Self, and Our Modern World with Graham Tomlin 14.04.2026 47minGraham Tomlin joins Kelsi to discuss the influence and faith of 17th-century polymath, Blaise Pascal, based on Tomlin's most recent book, "Blaise Pascal: The Man Who Made the Modern World." The two discuss his similarities and differences with Martin Luther, his views of 17th-century French society (and how this culture offers many lessons for our modern world), and his contributions to Christian apologetics. Graham is the editor-in-Chief of Seen & Unseen, and a former Bishop of Kensington. He is a regular contributor to national publications and has written many books and articles, both academic and more popular. He founded the Centre for Cultural Witness, home to Seen & Unseen, in 2023. He taught theology within Oxford University for many years before founding St. Mellitus College.Show Notes:Support 1517 Podcast Network1517 Podcasts1517 on Youtube1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 Events Schedule1517 Academy - Free Theological EducationMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's SubstackSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Graham: Order Blaise Pascal:The Man Who Made the Modern WorldSeen & UnseenGraham's Substack
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Evidence for the Resurrection with Adam Francisco 31.03.2026 1h 8minWhat does it mean for Paul to claim that if Christ has not been raised, our preaching and faith is in vain as he states in 1 Corinthians 15? Adam Francisco joins Kelsi to talk about the importance of centering Christian apologetics on the resurrection of Christ as a historically reliable event. The two also discuss helpful responses to many of the common objections to the resurrection and how the apologetic task has shifted in a post-Christian and post-enlightenment age. Adam Francisco is Director of Academics and Scholar in Residence at 1517. He earned his DPhil from the University of Oxford in 2006 and served as Professor of History, Dean, and Assistant Provost in the Concordia University System for nearly two decades.Show Notes:Support 1517 Podcast Network1517 Podcasts1517 on Youtube1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 Events Schedule1517 Academy - Free Theological EducationWhat’s New from 1517:Being Family by Dr. Scott KeithA Reasoned Defense of the Faith by Adam FranciscoMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's SubstackSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Adam: The Resurrection Fact: Responding to Modern Critics Defense of the Faith: Collected Essays in Christian ApologeticsAdam's Recent Talk at the Faith and Reason ConferenceAdam's 1517 Academy Course on Faith and Reason
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Raising Wise Kids in a Sexually Broken World 17.03.2026 1h 2minKelsi chats with author, Laurie Krieg, about her newest book (coauthored with her husband Matt), Raising Wise Kids in a Sexually Broken World, to answer how we keep the gospel as our foundation as we teach and guide our children through increasingly complex sexual issues today. Laurie Krieg is the director of parent programs and discipleship for The Center for Faith, Sexuality, and Gender. Laurie and her husband, Matt, are cohosts of the Hole in My Heart podcast, coauthors of An Impossible Marriage, and live in West Michigan with their three kids.Show Notes:Support 1517 Podcast Network1517 Podcasts1517 on Youtube1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 Events Schedule1517 Academy - Free Theological EducationWhat’s New from 1517:Being Family by Dr. Scott KeithA Reasoned Defense of the Faith by Adam FranciscoMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's SubstackSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Laurie: Raising Wise KidsLaurie's WebsiteLaurie's Instagram
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Understanding Revivalism with Dan van Voorhis 03.03.2026 50minWhat does revival really mean for the modern church? This week, historian, 1517 Scholar in Residence, and Christian History Almanac host, Dan Van Voorhis, joins Kelsi to explore the nuances of revivalism throughout American Christianity and to discuss whether or not the church is currently undergoing a revival. Show Notes:Support 1517 Podcast Network1517 Podcasts1517 on Youtube1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 Events Schedule1517 Academy - Free Theological EducationWhat’s New from 1517:1517 Youtube: How God Still Speaks TodayBeing Family by Dr. Scott KeithA Reasoned Defense of the Faith by Adam FranciscoMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's SubstackSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Dan: Listen to the Christian History AlmanacDan's FREE 1517 Course on the History of Christianity in America
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The Season of Lent (and the Entire Christian Life) with Christopher Richmann 17.02.2026 1h 6minChristopher Richmann teaches religion and is assistant director for teaching and learning with the Academy for Teaching and Learning at Baylor University. An ordained ELCA pastor, Christopher serves St. John Lutheran Church in Gatesville, TX. He joins Kelsi to discuss his new book with 1517 Publishing, Stretched: A Study Guide for Lent and the Entire Christian Life.Lent often conjures images of self-denial and fasting, leaving many Christians confused about its true significance. Kelsi and Christopher delve into the historical and biblical roots of Lent, shedding light on its importance for the everyday Christian. Show Notes: 1517’s Faith and Reason ConferenceSupport 15171517 PodcastsThe 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 on YouTubeKelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's SubstackSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Christopher: Order StretchedRead Christopher’s Articles at 1517
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The True Myth of the Gospel with Louis Markos 03.02.2026 1h 10minKelsi talks with English professor and Christian apologist, Louis Markos, about the importance of myth, storytelling, and imagination within Christian apologetics. Using C.S Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien as guides, Dr. Markos argues Christianity is the truest myths and therefore Christ is the fulfillment of the pagan hope for a savior as seen in the great myths throughout time. The two also discuss the shift in apologetics in late modernity and Dr. Markos forthcoming book, My Apologetics Dinner Party. Show Notes: 1517’s Faith and Reason ConferenceSupport 15171517 PodcastsThe 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 on YouTube:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's NewsletterSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutube More from Lou: Preorder My Apologetics Dinner PartyAbout Louis Markos
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Understanding the American Religious Landscape with Ryan Burge 13.01.2026 1h 7minKelsi is joined by data analyst, Ryan Burge, to discuss the current American Religious Landscape as well as his newest book, The Vanishing Church: How the Hollowing Out of Moderate Congregations Is Hurting Democracy, Faith, and Us.Dr. Ryan Burge is an associate professor of political science at Eastern Illinois University. He is the author or co-author of four books including The Nones, 20 Myths about Religion and Politics in America, and The Great Dechurching. He has written for the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal and POLITICO. He has also appeared on 60 Minutes, where Anderson Cooper called him, "one of the leading data analysts of religion and politics in the United States." He has been a pastor of an American Baptist Church for over seventeen years.Show Notes: Support 15171517 PodcastsThe 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 on YouTubeKelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's NewsletterSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Ryan: The Vanishing ChurchRyan's Substack, Graphs About ReligionFollow Ryan on X
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Grace and Absolution in Wake Up Dead Man with David Zahl 19.12.2025 31minKelsi chats with David Zahl about themes of faith and grace in Rian Johnson's newest film, Knives Out: Wake Up Dead Man.David Zahl is founder and director of Mockingbird Ministries, which receives more than 1 million website page views per year and 35,000 newsletter subscribers and social media followers. He is editor in chief of the Mockingbird blog and cohost of the Mockingcast podcast.Show Notes: Support 15171517 PodcastsThe 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 on YouTubeRead Dave's articleFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on SubstackSubscribe to Outside Ourselves
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Jim Nestingen's Legacy with John Pless 16.12.2025 1h 6minKelsi talks with Assistant Professor of Pastoral Ministry and Missions, John Pless, about compiling and editing, The Essential Nestingen: Essays on Preaching, Catechism, and the Reformation. These essays were written by Dr. Pless' good friend, James Arne Nestingen (1945-2022). Jim was a beloved pastor, seminary professor, and most of all a confessor and preacher of the Gospel of Jesus. John talks about his friendship with Jim, Jim's legacy and the importance of collaboration within Lutheran theology. Rev. John T. Pless is assistant professor of pastoral ministry and missions at Concordia Theological Seminary in Fort Wayne, Indiana. He also serves as the director of field education for the seminary. Previously, Rev. Pless spent seventeen years as a campus pastor at University Lutheran Chapel at the University of Minnesota. He is the book review editor for Logia: A Journal of Lutheran Theology and a member of the editorial council of Lutheran Quarterly. In addition, Rev. Pless is copresident of the International Loehe Society, a regular lecturer at various conferences, and a member of the LCMS Committee on the Sanctity of Human Life. Rev. Pless received his BA from Texas Lutheran College and his MDiv from Trinity Lutheran Seminary, Columbus, Ohio.Show Notes: Support 15171517 PodcastsThe 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 on YouTubeKelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's NewsletterSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Dr. Pless: The Essential NestingenPastor CraftLuther's Large Catechism with Annotations and Contemporary Applications
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