Between the Walls

When the Friend Zone Gets Complicated 21.05.2026 42Min.

A listener wrote in with one of the most relatable situations we've heard — she caught feelings for her guy friend, told him, and he said he wasn't ready... but maybe in the future. Now she's stuck between protecting her heart and not wanting to lose one of the most important people in her life. This week, we're getting into all of it — the power shift that happens the moment feelings are out in the open, why "maybe" can be more confusing than a flat-out no, and what it actually looks like to set a boundary when you don't want to. We also get into our own story, because yeah, we've been on both sides of this. If you've ever liked your friend and didn't know what to do next — this one's for you.

The Church Hurt Me...Never Going Back 14.05.2026 48Min.

We're talking about church hurt — and we're not gonna pretend it isn't real. From abuse covered up by boards to leaders who weaponize Jesus, we see you. But we're also asking the harder question: is walking away from church altogether actually protecting you, or is it costing you something? We get into what the body of Christ was always meant to be, how to vet a church before you commit, and why togetherness isn't just a nice idea — it might be your actual superpower.

Love Wins 07.05.2026 45Min.

A listener sent in one of the hardest questions we've gotten: her two close friends — both Christians — just started dating each other, and they're both women. She loves them deeply, disagrees with their relationship theologically, and has no idea what to do. We sat with this one for a minute because honestly? It's not simple. In this episode we talk about what it actually looks like to love someone well when you don't agree with how they're living — whether that's an LGBTQ relationship, a situationship, a destructive pattern, or anything else. What does love require here? When do you say something? How do you say it? And what do you do when they don't listen? We're not pretending to have every answer. But we do believe leading with humility and love is never the wrong starting point.

That Wasn’t God… That Was You 30.04.2026 44Min.

We're back — and we're getting into something that's behind so much confusion in dating, relationships, and honestly life in general: being ruled by your feelings instead of your convictions. From situationship decisions made at 2AM, to driving 90 minutes just to drop off a note (yes, that happened), to a very recent disagreement about a cat and an open door — Jonathan and Jess get personal about what it actually looks like to let your emotions call the shots, and why that never ends well. We talk about the difference between feelings and convictions, why "closure" is mostly a myth, how "follow your heart" culture has shaped a generation, and what it looks like to bring your feelings to God instead of acting on them. Plus: how to know if something is from God or just from you (hint — check the frantic meter). Your feelings are real. They're just not supposed to be your lord.

LET THAT MAN GO! 23.04.2026 46Min.

He bought a house. You thought a ring was next. That was two years ago. This week we're in the listener questions and we're not being gentle about it — if he can't make a decision at 33, that tells you everything. We're also tackling whether you can build a life with someone who's a good person but not a believer. Spoiler: it's mango season.

We Haven't Made Money in 4 Months... 08.04.2026 52Min.

We're not gonna sugarcoat it — we've been in a drought. Four months. Zero brand deals. Zero new income. And a whole lot of conversations between us about whether we're doing enough, saving enough, trusting enough. This week, we're getting raw about what it actually looks like to trust God when provision feels absent — not as a sermon, but as a confession. We're talking financial pressure, the pride of not wanting to say "I can't afford that," Jonathan's battle with feelings of inadequacy as a husband, and what God keeps whispering in the middle of all of it: remain faithful.

This is Why You're Still Single 02.04.2026 41Min.

Everyone's got a theory on why they're single — bad luck, no good options, wrong city. But what if the answer is a little closer to home? In this episode, Jess and Jonathan get into the real reasons people stay stuck in singleness — and none of them are what you think. From wanting it so bad you're pushing people away, to being too picky for the wrong reasons, to just not doing the inner work — they're keeping it honest. But they also flip the script: sometimes being single isn't a problem to solve. Sometimes it's a gift you're sleeping on. Tune in for the real talk, the laughs, and a reminder that God's timing isn't cruel — it's actually just better than yours.

Should You Change for Love? | Is Marriage Worth Losing Yourself? 26.03.2026 50Min.

A listener wrote in with a dilemma a lot of couples quietly face — her boyfriend told her she'd need to give up drinking if they were going to get married. She doesn't think drinking is wrong. He's a church leader whose congregation doesn't condone it. And she loves him more than she loves alcohol. So what's the problem? The problem is the reason behind the ask. Jonathan and Jess unpack the difference between dying to self out of love and losing yourself out of pressure. They get into what it looks like to examine someone's character before accepting their convictions, what Paul says about the weaker conscience, and why his position in the church matters more than you'd think. Plus — what do you do when your spouse's convictions change after you've already said I do? This one's for anyone wondering where the line is between healthy compromise and quietly becoming a shell of yourself.

The Honeymoon Phase was OVER | The Story of Julie & Miguel 19.03.2026 1Std. 19Min.

What happens when love isn't enough to hold a marriage together? In this episode, we sit down with our close friends Julie and Miguel Cepeda — married eight years, parents, and two of the most honest people we know — as they take us through the full arc of their relationship. From a Tinder match in 2016 and a year of no contact, to a long distance relationship built on a lie, to a marriage that nearly ended on a late night walk around the block. Julie opens up about how her Type A personality and need for control slowly suffocated the marriage, and what it took for her to finally see her own role in their problems. Miguel shares what it felt like to carry a quiet identity crisis into a marriage he wasn't ready for, and the moment he finally pushed back. This one goes deep. They talk about financial stress, a miscarriage, a near divorce, and what it actually looks like to rebuild — not just as a couple but as individuals who had to grow up inside their marriage. If you've ever felt like you were carrying everything, or like your partner just doesn't get it, or if you've ever sat across from the person you love and wondered how you got here — this episode is for you.

The Content Conversation Nobody Wants to Have 12.03.2026 53Min.

We went to the Kendrick Lamar concert. And honestly? We probably shouldn't have been there. In this episode, Jonathan and Jess get into one of those conversations that's equal parts conviction and self-check — what content are we actually letting in, and what is it doing to us? From the Sinners debate to secular music to binge-watching to those romance novels with dragons in them, we're talking through where the line is, why it's different for everyone, and why wisdom matters just as much as conviction. No condemnation here. Just two people trying to figure it out — and inviting you into the conversation.

Do I Need to Submit to My Husband? 05.03.2026 1Std. 4Min.

We're revisiting one of our very first conversations — submission — but this time with almost four years of marriage under our belts. Back when we first talked about this, we were barely a year and a half in. A lot has changed. A lot has also stayed the same. In this episode, we get into what submission actually looks like in a real marriage, where it comes from in Scripture (hint: Ephesians 5 starts with mutual submission — men, that one's for you), and why the conversation is bigger than gender roles or who does the dishes. We also talk about the difference between personality and character, what it looks like to love your spouse when it's hard, and why gratitude might be the most underrated tool in a marriage. Plus — a little gym saga, Jacquez being dramatic for attention, and a question about what you'd do if your nephew called you from a police station with a Snickers situation. In this episode: Revisiting Submission or Slavery — where we started vs. where we are now What submission is not (and why men misquote Ephesians 5 constantly) Mutual submission and what it actually demands of husbands Growing up with different examples of gender roles — and how that shaped us Loving your spouse for who they are, not who you think they should be Raising kids to be self-sufficient, not gender-boxed Why praying for your spouse hits different than praying about them Between the Walls drops every Wednesday on YouTube and every Thursday on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. Find us on Instagram @betweenthewallspod and subscribe to our Substack for the extended, unfiltered version.

The #1 Thing that Ends Marriages | Featuring.. My Parents 26.02.2026 1Std. 2Min.

What actually causes marriages to fall apart? Is it money? Communication? Intimacy? Or something deeper that most people miss? In this episode, we sit down with Jonathan’s parents—married 33 years and experienced marriage counselors—to talk about what they’ve seen in both thriving and struggling relationships. From real-life stories to hard-earned wisdom, this conversation gets honest about what builds a marriage… and what slowly tears it down. We talk about: The difference between intent and impact in conflict Why assuming the worst can quietly destroy a relationship The three biggest areas couples struggle in What the first years of marriage really feel like How to communicate without trying to “win” And the small habits that keep love alive over time Whether you’re dating, engaged, or married, this episode will challenge the way you see relationships and give you practical ways to grow. New episodes every Wednesday Available on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify

I Messed Up...God Gave Me Another Chance. 19.02.2026 46Min.

In this honest and vulnerable conversation, Jess and Jonathan talk about a topic that doesn’t get discussed enough — backsliding. What does it really look like to drift from God? Is it a sudden fall, or a slow fade? And how do you find your way back? They share personal experiences and unpack: The difference between struggling with sin and becoming comfortable in it What it looks like to live a “double life” while still showing up to church How community and accountability help prevent spiritual drift Why some people walk away, while others feel pulled back to God The hope found in God’s grace, even when we run This episode is about the messy middle of faith — the tension between knowing the truth and not always living it, and the reminder that it’s never too late to come back. New episodes every Wednesday.

We’re Back — and We Needed God More Than We Thought 12.02.2026 53Min.

Season 3 starts now. After a long break (and a full kitchen reno), Jess & Jonathan are back—catching you up on what’s changed, what God’s been teaching them, and why they’re moving differently this year. In this episode, they talk about: What it’s like rebuilding rhythm after a long pause The hard truth about fasting (and how it exposes what we really rely on) Why “perfect” social media couples are under pressure—and what actually keeps a marriage healthy Setting boundaries around pregnancy conversations while still holding on to hope The danger of overly confident “prophecies” and why your trust has to stay on God, not people’s words If you’ve ever felt stretched, disappointed, or tempted to perform your way through life—this one’s for you. New episodes every Wednesday. Follow the show and connect with us on Instagram: @betweenthewallsPod

This is the End... 03.04.2025 48Min.

We’re back with a life update and answering some of the questions you all sent in! From navigating our fertility journey to talking about choosing your partner over Instagram, online dating, and everything in between—this episode is honest, unfiltered, and full of laughs. Whether you’re here for the wisdom or the wild takes, there’s something in this one for you.

Real Talk: Love and Choices (You Asked For It!) + a Black Movie Draft 04.03.2025 51Min.

In this episode, we tackle some thought-provoking questions sent in by our listeners! From navigating past attractions and identity, to balancing relationships and social media, we cover it all. Plus, don’t miss our Black Movie Draft at the beginning, where we pick our favorite films! Join us for a fun and real conversation about relationships, love, and everything in between.

Let's Talk About Dating! | Do Looks Matter? Red Flags, Non Negotiables... 18.02.2025 1Std. 4Min.

Dating can be confusing, but setting standards doesn’t have to be! In this episode, we dive into the big questions—Do looks really matter? What are the biggest red flags? How do you define your non-negotiables? Whether you’re single, dating, or just figuring it all out, we’re having an honest, faith-filled conversation on what truly matters in relationships.

The Truth About Singleness (And Why It's A Gift) 11.02.2025 46Min.

Before you jump into dating, let’s talk about what it really means to be ready for a relationship. In this episode, we break down the importance of intentional singleness, knowing your worth, and preparing yourself emotionally and spiritually before stepping into dating. We also tackle the pressure from society (and the church) to rush into marriage, the pitfalls of dating without purpose, and why contentment in your current season is key. If you’re single and wondering, “Am I ready for a relationship?”—this episode is for you!

How to Hear God's Voice 06.02.2025 53Min.

How do you know if it’s really God speaking to you? In this episode, we dive into what it means to recognize God’s voice in everyday life. From building a deeper relationship with Him to understanding the difference between His guidance and our own thoughts, we’re breaking down practical ways to tune in and listen. If you’ve ever wondered, Am I really hearing from God?—this episode is for you.

No Means No...But You Have to Say It First 06.02.2025 57Min.

Why is saying “no” so hard? In this episode, we dive deep into the struggles of setting boundaries, overcoming people-pleasing, and learning to protect your time and energy. Whether it’s relationships, work, or commitments that drain you, we’re unpacking how to confidently say “no” without guilt. Because at the end of the day, prioritizing your peace isn’t selfish—it’s necessary. Tune in as we discuss practical ways to set healthy boundaries and reclaim your time.