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• POINT OF GRACE: A Lifetime in Christian Music - and Still Going 01.06.2026 46Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: POINT OF GRACE: A Lifetime in Christian Music - and Still Going   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this special guest episode of Song Revolution, John welcomes the iconic Christian music trio Point of Grace—Denise Jones, Leigh Cappillino, and Shelley Breen—to discuss their new album Lady Wisdom and the spiritual themes that shaped its creation. With decades of ministry, chart-topping songs, and personal life experiences behind them, the group reflects on how maturity, faith, and life's challenges have deepened their songwriting and message. The conversation explores the biblical inspiration behind the album, drawn from the book of Proverbs, including themes of wisdom, folly, grace, and spiritual growth. The group shares insights into specific songs like "Folly" and "Grace on the Edge," revealing how these songs confront temptation, remind listeners of God's grace, and offer hope to those navigating difficult seasons. Beyond music, the discussion moves into deeper territory—community, loneliness, the importance of caring for unseen people, and the ongoing journey of spiritual maturity. The members share vulnerable reflections on personal growth, faith struggles, and their hopes for continued relevance and faithfulness in the years ahead. This episode highlights how songwriting, ministry, and life experiences intersect to create music that not only entertains but teaches and ministers to listeners.   EPISODE TOPICS Introduction to the legacy and impact of Point of Grace The creative vision behind the album Lady Wisdom Returning to harmony-driven pop roots in Christian music Songwriting collaborations with artists and producers The biblical inspiration of Proverbs and the concept of Lady Wisdom Writing songs that function as teaching moments Experiencing God's grace in moments of weakness and temptation How maturity and life experience shape songwriting authenticity Building community through music and fan engagement Encouraging compassion toward pastors and ministry leaders Balancing ministry, family, and personal growth Finding purpose and relevance in later seasons of ministry Staying faithful to calling through decades of music ministry   KEY HIGHLIGHTS A Legacy of Harmony and Faithfulness With decades of music and ministry behind them, Point of Grace reflects on how their journey has evolved from youthful beginnings to seasoned ministry marked by testimony, faithfulness, and spiritual maturity. Returning to Their Signature Sound The group intentionally returned to their harmony-driven pop sound on Lady Wisdom, responding to fans who longed for the musical style that originally defined their ministry. Songs Rooted in Proverbs The album draws heavily from biblical themes, particularly the contrast between wisdom and folly. The concept of "Lady Folly" represents the seductive nature of sin and distraction that can lead believers away from God's path. Grace Meets Us at the Edge The song "Grace on the Edge" reminds listeners that no matter how far they feel they have fallen, God's grace remains available. The group emphasizes that salvation is not earned but received through faith. Music as Ministry and Teaching Each song on the album functions like a mini teaching, offering spiritual truths that listeners can apply to daily life. Seeing the Unseen The group shares their heart for individuals who feel invisible or isolated, encouraging listeners to intentionally notice and care for people who may feel overlooked in churches or communities. Growing Through Life's Seasons As empty nesters and seasoned artists, the members reflect on shifting priorities, learning to focus on relationships within their own homes while continuing to serve others. Contentment Over Performance Personal growth includes learning to find satisfaction in God rather than striving for perfection or outward success.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Wisdom, grace, and spiritual maturity are not achieved overnight—they are formed through years of faith, experience, and reliance on God. This episode reminds listeners that God meets us at every stage of life, especially in moments of weakness, temptation, or uncertainty. Through music, relationships, and personal growth, we are invited to choose wisdom over folly, extend grace to others, and remain faithful to the calling God has placed on our lives.     RESOURCES & LINKS:   Check out POINT OF GRACE! https://www.pointofgrace.net/   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide   Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge   Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
• JOHN CHISUM: Do You Suffer From Lonely Songwriter Syndrome? 25.05.2026 28Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Do You Suffer From Lonely Songwriter Syndrome?   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John continues working through his NCS Complete Songwriting Guide, focusing on Theme #4: Overcoming Lonely Songwriter Syndrome (LSS). He emphasizes that one of the biggest obstacles holding songwriters back is not a lack of talent or ideas, but isolation. John explains that songwriting is meant to be a collaborative, community-driven process rather than a solitary journey. Drawing from his 40+ years of experience, he highlights how co-writing, accountability, and honest feedback dramatically increase both the quality and consistency of a songwriter's output. Throughout the episode, John shares practical ways writers can step out of isolation—whether through structured communities like Nashville Christian Songwriters, Zoom co-writing sessions, church-based songwriting groups, or one-on-one collaborations. He challenges listeners to move beyond "idea collecting" and into the discipline of finishing songs, sharpening their craft through relationship and real-time creative exchange. Ultimately, this episode is a call to step out of loneliness and into a creative community that strengthens, challenges, and multiplies your songwriting potential.   EPISODE TOPICS Introduction to Theme #4: Overcoming Lonely Songwriter Syndrome (LSS) Why songwriting is not meant to be done alone The emotional and creative effects of isolation in songwriting How loneliness leads to unfinished songs and burnout The importance of accountability in creative output Moving from idea-storing to song-finishing discipline Understanding the value of co-writing relationships Different forms of co-writing (duos, small groups, larger retreats) Writing via Zoom and remote collaboration Finding complementary songwriting strengths (lyrics, melody, music) The role of mentorship and coaching in creative development Avoiding over-reliance on encouraging but uncritical feedback Recognizing "cultural bias" in church and close community feedback Building or joining intentional songwriting communities How professional feedback accelerates growth Taking responsibility for your creative consistency and output   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Loneliness is a Creativity Killer: John explains that repeated isolation in songwriting leads to discouragement, inconsistency, and eventually burnout. Without community, many writers stop finishing songs altogether. Songwriting Is a Team Sport: Rather than the "lone genius" model, John emphasizes that strong songwriting is built through collaboration, feedback, and shared creative energy. Co-Writing Builds Skill Faster Than Solo Writing: Working with others exposes writers to new approaches, structures, and creative instincts they would not develop alone. Growth accelerates through collaboration. Accountability Leads to Completion: One of the biggest differences between hobby writers and prolific writers is finishing songs. Accountability helps turn ideas into completed work. There Are Many Ways to Co-Write: Co-writing can happen in pairs, small groups, songwriting retreats, church communities, or virtually through Zoom sessions. There is no single "right" format—only what creates consistency and collaboration. Your Weakness Should Meet Someone Else's Strength: Effective collaboration often pairs lyricists with melody writers, or concept-driven writers with producers and musicians, creating a stronger final result. Feedback Must Be Honest, Not Just Encouraging: John warns against relying solely on supportive friends or church communities, which can unintentionally reinforce weak songwriting through "cultural bias." Professional Input Raises the Ceiling: Growth accelerates when writers engage in structured environments with experienced mentors or coaches who provide honest critique and direction. Consistency Reveals Calling: Your output level is a reflection of your seriousness. Writers who consistently finish songs treat songwriting as a discipline, not just inspiration.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Songwriting growth does not happen in isolation—it happens in community. If you want to become a more prolific and impactful songwriter, you must step out of loneliness and into collaboration, accountability, and honest feedback. Co-writing, mentorship, and structured creative environments will challenge you, sharpen your skills, and help you actually finish your songs—not just collect ideas. When you surround your songwriting with the right people, your creativity multiplies, your consistency increases, and your calling becomes clearer and more powerful.   RESOURCES & LINKS:   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide   Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge   Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
• JOHN CHISUM: Why Are You A Songwriter? 18.05.2026 27Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Why Are You A Songwriter?   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John continues the journey through the NCS Complete Songwriting Guide with Theme #3: Discovering Your Mission as a Christian Songwriter. He explores the importance of clarifying your personal "why" so that your songs have clear direction, deeper meaning, and lasting impact. John shares stories from his own songwriting journey and from writers he's coached, illustrating how powerful songs often flow from personal experiences, healing, and calling. He explains that while many writers feel drawn to broad goals like encouragement or evangelism, meaningful songwriting comes from drilling down into the specific message God has placed on your heart. Listeners are encouraged to reflect on their own life experiences, passions, and spiritual journey to uncover recurring themes that can shape their songwriting voice. This episode serves as a powerful invitation to move beyond vague intentions and begin writing songs that are rooted in purpose, identity, and authentic ministry.   EPISODE TOPICS Introduction to Theme #3: Discovering Your Mission as a Christian Songwriter Clarifying your "why" as a songwriter Writing from personal calling rather than imitation Understanding the difference between broad goals and specific mission Learning to write for your own ministry context Turning personal stories into universal messages Identifying recurring themes in your life and testimony Finding your unique voice and songwriting focus Avoiding comparison with established artists Building songs that reflect your personal ministry impact The role of healing, testimony, and experience in songwriting Taking inventory of your life experiences to uncover purpose   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Discovering Your Songwriting Mission: John introduces Theme #3 by focusing on the importance of clarifying your mission as a songwriter. Without a clear sense of purpose, songs can feel scattered or unfocused. A strong "why" gives direction and meaning to your work. Write for Your Sphere of Influence: Instead of trying to write songs for famous artists, John encourages songwriters to focus on their own ministry settings—churches, small groups, or communities where their songs can make an immediate difference. Your Story Holds the Key: Many powerful songwriting themes come from personal experiences such as healing, loss, restoration, or spiritual growth. These experiences can become the foundation for songs that minister to others. Make Personal Messages Universal: While your story may be unique, your songs should connect broadly. John explains how personal experiences can be expressed in ways that resonate with many listeners. Move Beyond Vague Callings: Broad terms like encouragement, worship, or evangelism are good starting points, but deeper clarity is needed to build a meaningful songwriting mission. Ask the Right Questions: John encourages songwriters to reflect on four key areas: What obstacles has God helped you overcome? What topics interest and inspire you most? What do you naturally talk about with others? How do you spend your free time? Character Sustains Calling: Talent alone isn't enough. Long-term impact requires maturity, discipline, and clarity of purpose. Knowing your mission helps sustain your calling through both highs and lows. Write from Purpose, Not Pressure: Songs written from authentic calling carry greater emotional depth and spiritual impact than those written merely to meet expectations.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Your songwriting becomes powerful when it flows from purpose. Take time to reflect on your life experiences, passions, and calling. Identify the themes God has already been shaping in your life, and allow those themes to guide your songwriting. When your songs are rooted in a clear mission, they carry depth, direction, and lasting impact.   RESOURCES & LINKS:   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide   Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge   Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
• JOHN CHISUM: Is Your Song Ready? 11.05.2026 22Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Is Your Song Ready?   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John continues exploring the NCS Complete Songwriting Guide with Theme #2: Taking Your Work from Demo to the World. He walks songwriters through the essential stages of music production—from simple voice memos to professional master recordings—and explains how each level serves a specific purpose in developing and sharing your songs. John emphasizes that songwriting success isn't about rushing into expensive studio recordings but about progressing wisely through each stage. He discusses the importance of capturing ideas quickly with work demos, developing songs through home demos, and only investing in professional production after a song has been tested and proven to resonate with listeners. Along the way, John addresses the role of technology and AI in modern songwriting, offering practical wisdom on how tools can support creativity without replacing authentic songwriting. This episode provides a clear roadmap for moving your songs from inspiration to impact—helping songwriters steward both their creativity and their resources wisely.   EPISODE TOPICS Introduction to Theme #2: Taking Your Work from Demo to the World The three levels of song production Understanding the purpose of work demos Using voice memos to capture songwriting ideas Developing songs through home demo recordings Deciding whether to build a home studio or hire professionals Avoiding costly mistakes in professional production Knowing when a song is ready for studio investment Using AI tools wisely in the demo process Releasing music to digital service providers (DSPs) Stewarding time, money, and creativity wisely Testing songs before committing to major production   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Understanding the Three Levels of Production: John outlines the progression from work demos to home demos to professional master recordings. Each level serves a distinct purpose, helping songwriters move gradually from idea to polished release. Start with Simple Work Demos: A work demo—often just a voice memo—captures melody and lyrics quickly before inspiration fades. The goal isn't perfection, but clarity and preservation of ideas. Home Demos Help Develop the Song: Home recordings allow songwriters to experiment with arrangements and instrumentation. However, John cautions writers to carefully weigh the time and learning curve involved in building technical production skills. Choose Your Focus Wisely: Songwriters must decide where to invest their time—becoming engineers or becoming better writers. While some can do both, many benefit from focusing primarily on songwriting craft. Avoid Expensive Production Too Soon: John shares cautionary stories of songwriters investing thousands of dollars into unproven songs. He stresses that professional recordings should come only after songs have been refined and validated through feedback. Test Songs Before Investing: Before moving to high-level production, songwriters should seek feedback and ensure their songs resonate with listeners. A proven song is far more deserving of financial investment. Using AI as a Tool, Not a Replacement: AI tools can help generate demo versions of songs when the melody and lyrics are already written. However, John emphasizes maintaining integrity by ensuring the creative foundation remains authentically human. Understanding Master Recordings: If you plan to release music on streaming platforms, you'll need a master recording that meets professional quality standards. This level of production represents the final stage of sharing your music with the world.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Every song deserves a thoughtful journey from idea to impact. Don't rush into expensive production before your songs are ready. Start by capturing ideas simply, develop them carefully, test them with others, and invest wisely when the time is right. When you move intentionally through each stage, your songs have the best chance to connect with listeners and make a lasting difference.   RESOURCES & LINKS:   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide   Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge   Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
• JOHN CHISUM: Are You Drifting as a Songwriter? 04.05.2026 16Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Are You Drifting as a Songwriter?   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John introduces Theme #1 from the brand-new NCS Complete Songwriting Guide—the call to become an intentional Christian songwriter. Rather than writing sporadically or waiting for inspiration to strike, John challenges songwriters to develop a clear plan, take consistent steps forward, and steward their calling with purpose. Drawing from decades of songwriting experience, John shares how many writers dream of being heard on radio, in churches, or around the world—but often lack the intentional habits necessary to get there. He explains why lasting growth doesn't happen through giant leaps, but through small, faithful steps taken consistently over time. This episode lays the foundation for the upcoming themes in the guide, encouraging songwriters to move beyond hobby-level creativity and step into purposeful development. It's a motivating and practical call to stop drifting and start growing as a songwriter who writes with vision, discipline, and faith.   EPISODE TOPICS Introduction to the NCS Complete Songwriting Guide Theme #1: Becoming an intentional Christian songwriter Why many songwriters stay stuck without a clear plan The difference between dreaming and doing Taking incremental steps toward songwriting growth Moving from hobbyist thinking to purposeful development Investing time, energy, and resources into your calling Developing spiritual and creative discipline Creating momentum through small, consistent actions Building a long-term vision for your songwriting journey   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Introducing the NCS Complete Songwriting Guide: John shares the heart behind creating an 80-page resource designed to help Christian songwriters take meaningful, practical steps toward growth. The guide outlines 12 essential themes to help writers develop both skill and purpose. Intentional Songwriting Starts with a Plan: Many songwriters have dreams but lack structure. John emphasizes that growth requires intention—setting goals, creating rhythms, and making songwriting a priority rather than an afterthought. Small Steps Lead to Big Results: Instead of trying to make giant leaps, songwriters are encouraged to focus on consistent, manageable actions. Incremental growth builds confidence, skill, and long-term momentum. From Hobby to Calling: Writing songs casually can be fulfilling, but those who feel called to share their message more broadly must treat songwriting as a discipline worth investing in. Feed Your Mind and Spirit: True growth happens when songwriters nurture both their creative skills and their spiritual lives—drawing inspiration from the Holy Spirit while developing practical tools. Get Unstuck by Taking Action: Waiting for the perfect moment often leads to stagnation. Progress begins when songwriters take the next available step, even if it feels small. Your Calling Deserves Stewardship: Songwriting is not just a creative outlet—it's a responsibility. Stewarding your gift well means being intentional about growth, learning, and consistent effort.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Great songwriting doesn't happen by accident—it happens by intention. If you feel called to write songs that impact others, it's time to move beyond wishful thinking and take purposeful steps forward. Start where you are, make a plan, and commit to steady growth. Over time, small, faithful actions can lead to powerful results in your songwriting and your calling.   RESOURCES & LINKS:   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide   Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge   Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
• PHOEBE SCOTT: Is Inspiration Enough to Write Great Songs? 27.04.2026 49Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: PHOEBE SCOTT: Is Inspiration Enough to Write Great Songs?   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with multi-talented artist, songwriter, top-liner, and coach Phoebe Scott to explore the craft, mindset, and spiritual foundation of songwriting. Phoebe shares her journey from small-town beginnings in West Tennessee to becoming a sought-after top-liner in Nashville, revealing how her early experiences, collaborative songwriting, and creative discipline shaped her career. Together, they dive into songwriting processes, the balance of inspiration and skill, and how faith and intentionality fuel artistry. The episode also includes an improvised songwriting session, giving listeners a behind-the-scenes look at how ideas become songs.   EPISODE TOPICS Phoebe's journey from small-town bands to Nashville songwriting The role of a top-liner and modern collaborative songwriting Developing a prolific songwriting practice Balancing inspiration with skill and discipline Faith, creativity, and the mindset of a songwriter Importance of consuming quality art for creative growth Improvised songwriting exercise: "It's All Good"   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Phoebe's early co-writing experience in Cooper the Band taught her how to write collaboratively and develop artistic identity. Explanation of a top-liner's role: helping artists tell their story through melody and lyrics, supporting their vision while keeping songs cohesive. Insight into how prolific songwriting comes from consistent practice, showing up, and embracing feedback. Faith-centered perspective: every song already exists in God's creation; the songwriter's role is to be faithful and obedient in arranging it. Emphasis on input for output: reading, exploring art, and studying culture directly fuels creativity. Discussion of mindset: success is not only inspiration but showing up consistently, even when ideas feel empty. Behind-the-scenes songwriting moment where Phoebe and John co-create an improvised chorus, demonstrating collaborative creativity in action.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Songwriting is both a craft and a calling. By combining discipline, creative curiosity, and faith, artists can show up fully—even when inspiration feels scarce—and trust the process to bring songs to life. Collaboration, input from mentors and peers, and a mindset grounded in purpose transform ordinary songwriting sessions into opportunities for growth and meaningful storytelling. Whether you're a beginner or seasoned songwriter, the key is to consistently engage, consume art, and allow God to guide the process, knowing that every step contributes to the song He's already envisioned.   RESOURCES & LINKS:   Follow along with what Phoebe Scott is doing! https://www.instagram.com/phoebeisloud/   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide   Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge   Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
• JOHN CHISUM: Stop Waiting, Start Growing 20.04.2026 26Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Stop Waiting, Start Growing HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John shares a powerful and honest message about the importance of mentoring and coaching in the journey of becoming a great Christian songwriter and artist. Drawing from over four decades in the music industry, John reflects on his own apprenticeship under legendary mentors and how that experience shaped his career. He challenges common misconceptions around calling, talent, and success—reminding songwriters that passion alone isn't enough. Growth requires intentional investment, humility, and a willingness to learn from those further along in the journey. John also speaks candidly about the realities of the music industry, the value of paying for professional services, and the responsibility artists have to steward their calling with excellence. This episode is both a wake-up call and an invitation—to stop waiting, start growing, and pursue songwriting with discipline, mentorship, and purpose.   EPISODE TOPICS Why mentoring and coaching are essential for songwriting growth The difference between being "called" and being "ready" How John's early apprenticeship shaped his entire career Why talent and passion alone won't make you a great songwriter The importance of investing time, effort, and money into your craft Common mindset traps that hold Christian songwriters back How to evaluate your songs beyond personal or cultural bias Why surrounding yourself with excellence accelerates growth   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Mentorship is a biblical and practical pathway to growth Great songwriting is developed, not assumed You are responsible for developing and presenting your calling Feedback, challenge, and accountability are necessary to improve The question isn't "Am I good enough?"—it's "Am I committed enough to grow?" Excellence in songwriting requires both inspiration and discipline   FINAL TAKEAWAY Christian songwriting is both a calling and a craft. Passion opens the door, but growth comes from humility, mentorship, and intentional effort. Surround yourself with those who challenge and inspire you, invest in your development, and commit to excellence in every song you write. The journey isn't about proving your talent—it's about stewarding your gift with purpose, discipline, and faithfulness. Start today, seek guidance, and let every step forward bring you closer to the songwriter God has called you to be.   Take your next step by downloading the free NCS Complete Songwriting Guide and exploring the coaching and community opportunities available at Nashville Christian Songwriters. Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to Song Revolution so you never miss an episode.     RESOURCES & LINKS:   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide   Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge   Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
• CLARK BECKHAM: Are You Settling For Average? 13.04.2026 46Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: CLARK BECKHAM: Are You Settling For Average? HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with returning guest, artist, and songwriter Clark Beckham for a powerful conversation on artistry, worship, and the pursuit of excellence in songwriting. From his journey as a finalist on American Idol to becoming an NCS Records artist, Clark shares how his passion for soul, jazz, and expressive musicianship has shaped his unique approach to worship music. The conversation explores the heart behind his Acoustic Worship Sessions project, where familiar worship songs are reimagined through rich chord progressions and deeply personal expression. Beyond the music, this episode dives into the discipline required to grow as a songwriter and artist. Clark and John unpack the importance of skill development, teachability, and resisting the temptation to settle for mediocrity. This is a compelling and honest look at what it really takes to steward your calling and create music that reflects both excellence and authenticity.   EPISODE TOPICS Clark Beckham's journey from American Idol to NCS Records The vision behind the acoustic Worship Sessions project Reimagining worship songs through soul, jazz, and expressive chords The role of musical skill in honoring God through creativity Why growth requires discipline, not just desire Learning from mentors and collapsing the learning curve The difference between hobbyists and committed songwriters Overcoming creative passivity and taking action Worship as both spiritual expression and musical craftsmanship The balance between congregational accessibility and artistic depth   KEY HIGHLIGHTS A Unique Approach to Worship Clark shares how his love for soul and jazz naturally flows into his worship leading. Rather than trying to be different, his style is simply the authentic expression of his musical journey and relationship with God. The Heart Behind Acoustic Worship Sessions What started organically has become a powerful project—taking well-known worship songs and presenting them in a fresh, intimate, and musically rich way that highlights both skill and sincerity. God Created Every Chord Clark challenges the idea that only simple or familiar musical structures are "spiritual." From major chords to complex jazz voicings, all musical beauty ultimately points back to the Creator. Excellence Is an Offering Both John and Clark emphasize that pursuing excellence is not about performance or pride—it's about offering God your very best. Growth requires intentional effort, learning, and a willingness to refine your craft. Stop Talking, Start Growing A key theme throughout the episode is the difference between wanting to improve and actually doing the work. Real growth comes from discipline, learning from others, and consistently putting in the reps. Learn from Those Who've Gone Before You Whether through courses, books, or mentorship, learning from experienced voices can dramatically accelerate growth and help avoid unnecessary mistakes. Calling Requires Development Being called does not mean being instantly skilled. Often, the calling itself is an invitation into a process of growth, refinement, and deeper dependence on God.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Your calling is not just about what you create—it's about who you become in the process. Great songwriting and worship don't come from shortcuts or surface-level effort. They are formed through discipline, humility, and a deep desire to grow. When you commit to developing your craft and offering your best to God, your music becomes more than sound—it becomes a true expression of worship that can impact others in a lasting way.     RESOURCES & LINKS:   Follow what Clark Beckham is up to! https://clarkbeckham.com/   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide   Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge   Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
• JOHN CHISUM: Don't Be A Lazy Songwriter 06.04.2026 28Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Don't Be A Lazy Songwriter   EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum dives into one of the most essential—and often overlooked—skills in songwriting: finding truly great ideas. Against the backdrop of today's rapidly evolving AI landscape, John challenges songwriters to resist shortcuts and instead pursue authenticity, depth, and spiritual connection in their creative process. He explores the tension between "high tech" and "high touch," emphasizing that while technology continues to advance, the need for real human expression has never been greater. Through personal stories, practical teaching, and decades of experience, John breaks down how to discover "killer hooks" rooted in genuine faith, lived experience, and a vibrant relationship with God. This episode is both a creative roadmap and a spiritual call to write songs that are not only well-crafted—but lasting.   EPISODE TOPICS The importance of great ideas in songwriting "High tech vs. high touch" in a digital and AI-driven world Why authentic testimony matters more than generated content The role of the Holy Spirit in inspiration How environment and influences shape your creativity Developing originality in song concepts The power of language, rhyme, and lyrical tools Learning from books, advertising, and other songs Avoiding lazy songwriting habits Writing songs that stand the test of time   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Great Songs Start with Great Ideas John emphasizes that every impactful song begins with a compelling, clear, and focused idea. Without a strong foundation, even the best production cannot carry a song. High Tech vs. High Touch As technology continues to expand, the value of human connection and authentic expression increases. Songwriting is not just about output—it is about the Spirit of God moving through a real person's life and testimony. Don't Outsource Your Voice While AI can generate content, it cannot replace the personal, spiritual, and emotional depth that comes from your own story. Your testimony is your greatest creative asset. The Power of a "Killer Hook" Timeless songs are built on simple, powerful ideas that connect instantly. A great title or hook should stand on its own—clear, compelling, and memorable without explanation. Go Inward First Some of the best ideas come from quiet moments of reflection and connection with God. Asking the Holy Spirit what He is doing in your life can unlock deeply meaningful song concepts. Feed Your Creativity Great writers are filled with great words. Reading, listening, and surrounding yourself with inspiring content strengthens your ability to write with depth and originality. Learn the Craft Understanding tools like rhyme, alliteration, and lyrical structure is essential. Songwriting is both spiritual and skill-based—it requires growth, study, and intentional development. Don't Be a Lazy Songwriter Waiting passively for inspiration or relying on shortcuts leads to shallow results. Proactive, disciplined writers create more compelling and lasting songs.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Great songwriting is not accidental—it is intentional, spiritual, and deeply personal. In a world increasingly driven by technology, your greatest advantage is your humanity and your relationship with God. The songs that last are not generated—they are cultivated through time, discipline, and authentic connection with the Holy Spirit. If you want to write songs that matter, start by listening inward, stewarding your voice, and committing to the process. Your testimony, your words, and your calling are worth the work.     RESOURCES & LINKS:   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide   Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge   Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
• GINNY OWENS: Different Kind Of Water 30.03.2026 34Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: GINNY OWENS: Different Kind Of Water   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with award-winning artist, songwriter, theologian, and worship leader Ginny Owens. From her early discovery by Michael W. Smith and her years in the CCM spotlight to seasons of burnout, spiritual wrestling, and renewed calling, Ginny shares a candid look at the highs and hardships of life in Christian music. Now serving at Redeemer Church in Manhattan and holding a Master of Divinity degree, Ginny reflects on what it means to go deeper in faith, to wrestle honestly with God, and to create music that fosters real spiritual conversations. She also introduces her new EP, Different Kind of Water, and shares about launching The Asaph Project, a new nonprofit focused on equipping worship leaders and writing songs for the local church. This is a rich conversation about faithfulness over fame, depth over dopamine, and blooming faithfully where God has planted you.   EPISODE TOPICS Being discovered by Michael W. Smith and signing with Rocketown Records The realities behind the CCM touring life Burnout, doubt, and rediscovering spiritual depth Moving to New York City and earning an M.Div. Studying under Tim Keller at Redeemer The importance of church accountability for artists Writing songs that spark spiritual conversations The heart behind the EP Different Kind of Water Launching The Asaph Project to serve the congregational church Blooming where you're planted as a songwriter   KEY HIGHLIGHTS From Belmont to Rocketown Ginny shares the story of how a simple church offertory led to recording demos, connecting with publisher Michael Puryear, and eventually signing with Michael W. Smith's Rocketown Records. Community and faithful connectors played a pivotal role in her journey. The Hidden Cost of the Dream While touring and recording brought exciting opportunities, Ginny candidly discusses the spiritual and relational toll of life on the road. Without consistent church accountability and rooted community, burnout followed. Her reflection offers valuable wisdom for aspiring artists. Going Deeper After Doubt Following a difficult season of burnout and spiritual questioning, Ginny sensed the Lord leading her into deeper theological study. Her move to New York to attend seminary at Redeemer under Tim Keller became a transformative chapter of growth and renewal. Writing for Spiritual Conversations Her new EP, Different Kind of Water, reflects conversations she longs to have with friends who don't yet believe. Each song addresses universal longings—satisfaction, forgiveness, purpose—and gently points toward Christ as the ultimate answer. The Asaph Project Ginny shares her vision for The Asaph Project, a nonprofit aimed at equipping worship leaders in theology, songcraft, and congregational leadership while also creating new music specifically for the local church. Bloom Where You're Planted Her encouragement to songwriters: bring every dream and idea to the Lord, stay rooted in Scripture, and faithfully serve where you are now rather than chasing the door that hasn't opened yet.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Success in Christian music is not sustained by momentum, platform, or applause—it is sustained by presence with Jesus and rootedness in community. Ginny's journey reminds us that calling is deeper than career. Whether you're touring the world or serving your local church, faithfulness begins with abiding in Christ and blooming right where He has planted you.     RESOURCES & LINKS:   Follow along with Ginny Owens https://www.ginnyowens.com/    Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide    Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge    Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ 
• DANIEL DOSS: Revival and Songwriting 23.03.2026 44Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: DANIEL DOSS: Revival and Songwriting     HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with songwriter and artist Daniel Doss for an honest conversation about calling, perseverance, and the refining process of songwriting. Daniel shares his journey into music, the challenges of building a career while staying grounded in faith, and the lessons he has learned about consistency, character, and craft. Throughout the conversation, Daniel opens up about navigating setbacks, staying creative during uncertain seasons, and learning how to write songs that are both personal and universally resonant. This episode highlights the importance of patience, humility, and long-term faithfulness in a songwriting journey that is often marked by unseen growth before visible opportunity.   EPISODE TOPICS Daniel's early path into songwriting and artistry The tension between ambition and surrender Developing craft through repetition and discipline Staying rooted in faith while pursuing opportunity The importance of community in a creative career Writing songs that are authentic rather than strategic Growth that happens behind the scenes   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Daniel reflects on how early challenges shaped both his faith and his songwriting voice. A candid discussion about rejection and how it refines both character and craft. Insight into why consistency matters more than momentary momentum. Encouragement to write songs that come from lived experience rather than trends. A reminder that longevity in music requires humility, patience, and a willingness to keep learning. Practical wisdom on staying encouraged during seasons when progress feels slow.   FINAL TAKEAWAY A sustainable songwriting career is not built overnight. Daniel Doss's story reminds us that true growth often happens in hidden seasons where discipline, faith, and character are formed. When songwriters commit to the long process—refining their craft, guarding their hearts, and trusting God with the timeline—their songs carry depth that cannot be manufactured.   RESOURCES & LINKS:   Check out Daniel Doss https://www.danieldossmusic.com/    Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide    Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge    Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ 
• SHAYLEE SIMEONE: Honest Jesus Music 16.03.2026 55Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: SHAYLEE SIMEONE: Honest Jesus Music   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John welcomes singer, songwriter, and storyteller Shaylee Simeone for an honest and heartfelt conversation about identity, calling, and the long road of obedience in a creative life. Shaylee shares her journey from early musical influences and family harmony to stepping out on her own as an artist and songwriter. The conversation explores the tension between ambition and surrender, the process of refining your voice over time, and the importance of writing songs that reflect real life rather than performance. Shaylee opens up about seasons of waiting, redefining success, and learning to trust God with both the platform and the process. This episode is a powerful reminder that longevity in songwriting is built on faithfulness, authenticity, and the courage to tell the truth.   EPISODE TOPICS Growing up in a musical family and early creative development Discovering personal identity apart from performance The tension between ambition and obedience Navigating seasons of waiting and transition Moving to Nashville and stepping into the songwriting community Writing from real life rather than image Redefining success as faithfulness The importance of vulnerability in songwriting Trusting God with timing, platform, and opportunity   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Shaylee reflects on how her early experiences in music shaped both her confidence and her insecurities. A thoughtful discussion on separating identity from achievement. Insight into the discipline of continuing to write even when outcomes feel uncertain. Honest moments about comparison and the pressure to measure up. Encouragement to write songs that are rooted in lived experience rather than trend. A clear reminder that calling is often confirmed through quiet obedience rather than immediate visibility.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Sustainable songwriting is not built on hype or momentum—it is built on faithfulness. Shaylee Simeone's story reminds us that when we anchor our identity in who we are rather than what we achieve, we gain the freedom to create from a place of honesty and peace. The songs that endure are the ones shaped by patience, trust, and a willingness to let God define the outcome.   RESOURCES & LINKS:   Check out Shaylee Simeone https://www.shayleesimeone.com/    Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide    Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge    Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ 
• AMANDA JANSON: Sinner To Saint 09.03.2026 27Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: AMANDA JANSON: Sinner To Saint   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this powerful episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with worship artist and songwriter Amanda Janson for an honest and deeply vulnerable conversation about faith, calling, trauma, and songwriting as testimony. Amanda shares her journey from a Broadway-bound upbringing and a complicated spiritual background to encountering Christ in adulthood and eventually stepping into a life of worship and songwriting. The conversation traces Amanda's move to Nashville, her growth as a co-writer, and the intense personal battles that shaped her latest album, Sinner To Saint. With courage and clarity, Amanda opens up about depression, shame, suicidal thoughts, and the turning points that led her to deeper surrender and healing. This episode is a profound reminder that songwriting can become a sacred place where pain, honesty, and faith meet—and where God brings redemption.   EPISODE TOPICS Growing up with mixed religious backgrounds and no church foundation Encountering Christ later in life and the early days of faith Walking away from a Broadway career and discovering new purpose Moving to Nashville by faith and trusting God's timing Learning to co-write and build genuine community in songwriting rooms Navigating ambition, industry pressure, and comparison Trauma, depression, and confronting shame as a believer Suicidal thoughts and the journey toward healing and surrender Writing songs rooted in testimony and vulnerability The heart and message behind the album Sinner To Saint Songwriting as a tool for honesty, healing, and worship   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Amanda shares her unexpected salvation story and the early curiosity that led her to faith. A candid discussion about chasing success versus pursuing God's presence. Insight into the emotional toll of industry pressure and unmet expectations. Amanda's description of a profound moment of surrender that marked a turning point in her life and faith. The story behind the song "Where the Warfare Ends" and how it was born from a moment of deep despair and divine truth. Reflections on the freedom that comes from releasing shame and embracing identity as a child of God. Encouragement for artists to tell the truth in their songs and create space for others to heal through honesty.   FINAL TAKEAWAY True songwriting begins when we stop hiding. Amanda Janson's story reminds us that faith does not remove struggle, but it does invite healing, redemption, and hope into our darkest moments. When songwriters choose honesty over image and surrender over striving, their songs become more than music—they become ministry. God meets us in our broken places, and when we write from there, our stories can help others find light in their own darkness.   Resources & Links:   Check out Amanda Janson https://www.amandajansonmusic.com/    Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide  Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge    Be a part of NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community    NCS Collective: Check out the songwriters and artists in our collective! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ 
• JOHN CHISUM: Can AI Write Christian Music? 02.03.2026 25Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Can AI Write Christian Music? HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this thought-provoking episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum tackles one of the most pressing issues facing today's music creators: artificial intelligence in songwriting. Fresh off multiple interviews at the National Religious Broadcasters (NRB) convention, where AI was the dominant topic of conversation, John unpacks the realities, risks, and responsibilities surrounding AI-generated music. From deep fakes and copyright confusion to spiritual discernment and creative integrity, this episode dives deep into what AI means for Christian songwriters. John makes a clear and passionate case: AI may be a powerful tool, but it can never replace the calling, humanity, and spiritual formation of a real songwriter. This conversation challenges creators not to take the easy way out, but to steward their gifts faithfully in a rapidly shifting technological landscape.   EPISODE TOPICS The rise of AI-generated music Experiences at NRB and industry-wide AI discussions Rights, revenue, and reputation concerns in publishing AI "scraping" artist catalogs and copyright implications Spotify removing millions of AI-generated tracks Deep fakes and reputational harm Theological and spiritual questions about AI worship songs When AI can be a helpful tool versus a creative shortcut Why real songwriters still matter Growing as a communicator instead of outsourcing creativity   KEY HIGHLIGHTS AI Is Here to Stay John acknowledges that AI technology will only improve. Like the digital shift of the late 20th century, we are in a major cultural and creative transition. The key question is not whether AI exists—but how we respond to it. Rights, Revenue, and Reputation AI-generated songs often "scrape" existing catalogs to mimic an artist's style, raising serious concerns about intellectual property and theft. Who owns these songs? Who gets paid? And what happens when an artist's name or likeness is misused through deep fakes? Humanity Cannot Be Scraped While AI can generate polished production and flawless vocals, John argues that it lacks pathos, testimony, and authentic spiritual experience. A great song carries one clear idea rooted in real human emotion. Production may impress, but stripped down to piano or guitar, the song must stand on its own. Prompt Writing vs. Songwriting If a creator inputs only a prompt and receives a finished song, John draws a firm line: that is not songwriting. True songwriting involves crafting lyrics, shaping melody, wrestling with structure, and allowing personal testimony to flow into the work. Appropriate Use of AI John is not anti-technology. Using AI to generate a demo of a fully written lyric and melody can be a legitimate tool. The issue is not assistance—it is substitution. Spiritual Discernment in the AI Era Can God use AI-generated lyrics if they contain truth? Possibly. Truth is truth. But Christian communicators are called to more than efficiency—they are called to communion with God. Songwriting is not just output; it is formation. Don't Shortchange the Process The labor of crafting lyrics and melodies over time shapes the songwriter. Taking creative shortcuts may produce sound, but it does not produce growth.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Technology may accelerate production, but it cannot replace calling. AI can be a tool—but it must never become a substitute for the Spirit-led, deeply human process of writing songs. God called you to be a songwriter not simply to produce music, but to spend time with Him, to grow, and to communicate truth from your own heart. Do not shortchange yourself. Do not surrender your voice. Steward your gift, embrace the discipline, and create as a real human being empowered by the Spirit of God.   RESOURCES & LINKS: Link to the John Piper ChatGPT clip John mentioned in the episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIMZH7DEPPQ   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide   Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge   Be a part of our community of songwriters from across the globe. Join NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Real people writing real songs - check out NCS Collective https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
• JACKSON DREYER: Letting Life Shape The Song 23.02.2026 37Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: JACKSON DREYER: Letting Life Shape The Song   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with singer-songwriter Jackson Dreyer for an honest and wide-ranging conversation about creativity, discipline, and finding your voice as a songwriter. From growing up outside Chicago to planting roots in East Nashville, Jackson shares how movement, architecture, relationships, and everyday life experiences shape his songwriting process. The conversation explores how stepping away from constant noise creates space for emotional clarity, lyrical depth, and authentic expression. This episode is a thoughtful look at how songwriters can stay inspired, grounded, and creatively alive while navigating both personal growth and artistic ambition.   EPISODE TOPICS The connection between physical movement and creative clarity How running and solitude spark songwriting ideas Growing up near Chicago and the influence of architecture and place Finding inspiration in cities, communities, and everyday surroundings Living and writing in East Nashville as a songwriter Turning real emotions into honest lyrics Avoiding creative overload and reclaiming mental space Letting life experiences shape better songs   KEY HIGHLIGHTS Jackson shares how running helps him reconnect with his thoughts and emotions, often leading to new song ideas. A discussion on how silence and mental margin are essential for meaningful songwriting. Reflections on how cities like Chicago and Nashville influence creativity, identity, and artistic perspective. Insight into how architecture and visual beauty can fuel musical inspiration. Honest thoughts on balancing productivity with presence as a modern songwriter. Encouragement to embrace real life—relationships, movement, environment—as songwriting fuel.   FINAL TAKEAWAY Great songs don't come from constant noise—they come from paying attention. By creating space to think, feel, and live fully, songwriters can tap into deeper honesty and write from a more authentic place. Creativity thrives when we slow down, observe our surroundings, and allow life itself to shape the songs we write.   Resources & Links:   Check out Jackson Dreyer https://www.jacksondreyer.com/    Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide  Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge    Be a part of NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community    NCS Collective: Check out the songwriters and artists in our collective! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ 
• LAURA OSNES: Faith, Art, and Starting Over 16.02.2026 38Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: LAURA OSNES: Faith, Art, and Starting Over   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY: In this episode of Song Revolution, John welcomes Broadway star, film actress, and singer-songwriter Laura Osnes for a deeply personal conversation about calling, identity, and creativity. Laura shares her journey from early musical theater roots to starring on Broadway, navigating career success, public controversy, and a major life pivot that led her to Nashville. The conversation explores how a season of loss and uncertainty opened the door to songwriting, personal expression, and new purpose beyond the stage. Laura also introduces her latest venture, Stagecraft, an online training platform designed to equip and mentor the next generation of stage performers with both excellence and integrity.   EPISODE TOPICS: Laura Osnes' early beginnings and Broadway career Winning a Broadway role through reality television Identity and faith in high-pressure creative environments Navigating career disruption and public controversy Moving from performance to songwriting as personal expression Finding your voice outside of roles and expectations Comparison, authenticity, and creative confidence Differences between stage performance and film acting Launching Stagecraft to mentor young performers Encouragement for artists walking unconventional paths   KEY HIGHLIGHTS: Laura's reflection on discovering her identity beyond performance and public success. Insight into how songwriting became a new creative outlet after a season of loss and silence. A powerful discussion on authenticity and resisting comparison in artistic careers. Lessons learned from navigating rejection, cancellation, and rebuilding with integrity. Practical wisdom on preparation, patience, and being ready when opportunity appears. The heart behind Stagecraft and its mission to equip young artists with skill and character.   FINAL TAKEAWAY: Creative calling is not limited to a single platform or season. This episode reminds songwriters and artists that identity must be rooted deeper than success, roles, or recognition. When doors close, new expressions of purpose can emerge. By staying faithful, authentic, and open to unexpected paths, artists can discover new ways to share their voice and make meaningful impact.   Resources & Links:   Check out Laura Osnes https://lauraosnes.com/    Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide  Join the NCS ONE SONG CHALLENGE! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/one-song-challenge    Be a part of NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community    NCS Collective: Check out the songwriters and artists in our collective! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ 
• MICAH CHRISTOPHER: Writing From Where You Are 09.02.2026 39Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: MICAH CHRISTOPHER: Writing From Where You Are   HOSTS: John Chisum   EPISODE SUMMARY: In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with artist and songwriter Micah Christopher to explore the journey from local church leadership to signing with Integrity Music. Micah shares his story of faith, obedience, and gradual growth, emphasizing how songwriting developed alongside spiritual maturity rather than overnight success. The conversation highlights the tension between calling and platform, the importance of community, and the often unseen seasons that prepare songwriters for wider opportunities. Together, John and Micah unpack what it really means to pursue songwriting with humility, patience, and purpose in a rapidly changing music landscape.   EPISODE TOPICS: Micah Christopher's faith and songwriting journey Transitioning from local worship leader to recording artist Signing with Integrity Music Writing songs for the church versus writing for personal expression The role of obedience and faithfulness in creative growth Balancing ambition, calling, and character Community, mentorship, and long-term development Navigating expectations in the modern Christian music industry   KEY HIGHLIGHTS: Micah's honest reflection on slow, steady growth rather than sudden success. Insight into how songwriting evolved naturally out of worship leadership and spiritual formation. A discussion on the dangers of chasing platform before being rooted in purpose. Encouragement for songwriters who feel overlooked or stuck in hidden seasons. Practical wisdom on staying grounded while stepping into new opportunities. A reminder that label deals and recognition are outcomes, not destinations.   FINAL TAKEAWAY: Faithful songwriting is built over time through obedience, humility, and community. Rather than striving for quick success, this episode challenges songwriters to trust the process, steward their current season well, and allow their craft and character to grow together. When the foundation is solid, the opportunities that come will have lasting impact.   Resources & Links:   Check out Micah Christopher https://www.micahchristopher.com/  https://www.instagram.com/micahchristopher_/?hl=en    Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide  Be a part of NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community    NCS Collective: Check out the songwriters and artists in our collective! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ 
• JOHN CHISUM: Stop Waiting, Start Writing 02.02.2026 31Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4   TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Stop Waiting, Start Writing   HOSTS: John Chisum & Bryant Urich   EPISODE SUMMARY In this opening episode of Season Four of Song Revolution, John and co-host Bryant Urich reflect on the highlights of the past year while casting vision for 2026. They discuss the growth of the NCS community, the return of in-person songwriting retreats, the launch of NCS Records, and meaningful conversations from recent podcast guests. The episode then shifts into a practical and encouraging discussion about one of the biggest challenges songwriters face: making the most of their time. Through honest conversation and real-life examples, John and Bryant challenge listeners to move past discouragement, establish sustainable writing rhythms, and take intentional action toward their calling as songwriters.   EPISODE TOPICS Highlights from 2025 and vision for 2026 Growth of the NCS community and songwriting retreats Launch and expansion of NCS Records Lessons learned from recent podcast guests Overcoming discouragement and writer's block Time management and creative rhythms for songwriters Discipline versus legalism in the creative process The importance of consistency, accountability, and action   KEY HIGHLIGHTS A reflection on how in-person writing retreats and community connection reignited creativity and collaboration. Insight into why many songwriters struggle to write consistently and how exhaustion, discouragement, and unrealistic expectations play a role. A practical reminder that inspiration often follows action, not the other way around. A discussion on identifying personal energy rhythms and choosing realistic writing times that fit current seasons of life. Encouragement to view songwriting as a calling worth intentional investment rather than waiting to feel "good enough." A reframing of the common question from "Am I good enough?" to "Am I called enough to show up and do the work?"   FINAL TAKEAWAY Songwriting growth doesn't come from waiting for the perfect moment or the perfect idea. It comes from showing up consistently, feeding your creativity, and taking small but intentional steps forward. If you feel called to write songs, the next step is action. Treat your craft with purpose, surround yourself with community, and commit to using your time wisely so the songs inside you don't stay unwritten.     Resources & Links:   Check out Nashville Christian Songwriters! NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   FREE DOWNLOAD - The Complete NCS Songwriting Guide: Proven Principles for writing better songs, stewarding your gifts, and building a lasting life of Christian songwriting. https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/guide        Be a part of NCS Community! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community    NCS Collective: Check out the songwriters and artists in our collective! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ 
• DAN DEAN: 25 Years of Ministry with Phillips, Craig, and Dean 26.01.2026 37Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum   Guest: Dan Dean   Episode Title: DAN DEAN: 25 Years of Ministry with Phillips, Craig, and Dean   Episode Summary: Happy New Year and welcome to 2026! Thank you for joining us for Song Revolution. As we gear up for season 4 we wanted to share just a few of our favorite episodes from 2025. Enjoy! In this powerful and heartfelt episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum sits down with Dan Dean—one-third of the legendary trio Phillips, Craig & Dean—to explore a decades-long career marked by timeless songs, deep-rooted ministry, and a newly released solo album, More. From early cassette recordings to leading worship across the globe, Dan opens up about perseverance, songwriting, the power of legacy, and why he's more inspired than ever to keep creating.   What You'll Hear: Dan's early journey from solo artist to founding member of Phillips, Craig & Dean Behind-the-scenes stories from their 30+ year career and 14 studio albums How one heartfelt war-time promise shaped generations of ministry The spiritual and emotional layers behind Dan's new solo album, More A father-son duet and the family legacy of faith through music Why beloved songs like "Crucified with Christ" and "Revelation Song" still resonate Words of encouragement for aspiring songwriters and worship leaders   Featured Songs from More: "More" – A song of hope written during the isolation of COVID "Home" – A heartfelt duet with Dan's son, Devin Dean "Mother of Boys" – Inspired by a poem written by Dan's mom "Never Gets Old" – A touching reflection on the unchanging power of Scripture Notable Quotes: "God always has more of what you need." "You want to hear the songs that brought some kind of emotional or spiritual impact in your life." "The power of one man's decision can impact generations." "It wasn't always easy, but we were faithful to the call."     Resources & Links:   Connect with Dan Dean: https://www.dandeanofficial.com/   Follow Dan on Instagram: @danpcd   NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
• ANDREW GREER: Songwriting and Storytelling 19.01.2026 44Min.

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Episode Title: ANDREW GREER (part 1): Songwriting and Storytelling   Host: John Chisum   Episode Summary: Happy New Year and welcome to 2026! Thank you for joining us for Song Revolution. As we gear up for season 4 we wanted to share just a few of our favorite episodes from 2025. Enjoy! In this rich and heartfelt conversation, John welcomes singer-songwriter, producer, author, and documentarian Andrew Greer to Song Revolution. From his early days growing up in Texas with music all around him, to his time at Belmont University, and now as a respected artist and filmmaker, Andrew shares how music has always been more than sound—it has been a divine meeting point and a lifelong connection to God.   Andrew opens up about discovering music as collaboration with the Creator, the spiritual weight of art, and how songwriters and storytellers carry the yearning for belonging and acceptance. He and John dive into the mystery of creativity, the intersection of sacred and "secular" art, and the role of music in healing, connection, and co-creation with God. This first part of the interview also explores Andrew's reflections on growing up with thoughtful parents, his deep love for liner notes, the importance of songwriting beyond categories, and the spiritual resonance of great artists from Joni Mitchell to Roberta Flack.   What You'll Learn in This Episode: Andrew's early encounter with music and its connection to faith How music serves as collaboration with our Creator The difference between original sin and original virtue in shaping our lives Why songwriting is about more than "Christian" or "secular" categories How great art and music point us toward belonging and acceptance Andrew's insights on the indie music landscape and why it's a great time for creators   Key Topics & Highlights: The spiritual role of music as connection and belonging How Andrew discovered a calling for songwriting and storytelling at an early age The influence of his parents and church community on shaping his worldview Why labeling art as sacred vs. secular often misses the deeper point Stories from Andrew's journey at Belmont University and launching into music Insights on how artists like Joni Mitchell, Roberta Flack, and others shaped his perspective Why vulnerability and honesty in songwriting resonate more deeply than formulas   Final Takeaway: At its heart, music is not about categories or success—it is about connection. Whether writing songs, producing stories, or simply listening, music offers us a chance to collaborate with God and remind one another that we belong.     Resources & Links:   Explore Andrew Greer's work:  https://www.andrew-greer.com/    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/