Model Minority Moms
Kate Wang, Susan Lieu, Jeanette Park
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Model Minority Moms is a podcast where three Asian American working moms discuss the pressures of being high-achieving while confronting the model minority myth. The hosts, Jeanette, Kate, and Susan, are Harvard classmates who share their experiences navigating career, family, and life. They aim to get real about the expectations of fitting in while standing out. The podcast is a project of Real Life Media LLC.
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Ep142: Power, Money and Marriage Part 3 - Claiming your power is dissecting your resentments? 17.07.2026 1Std. 4Min.**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience. THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up! --------------------------------------Susan complained that the last episode sounded like everything is totally peachy with all of us when it comes to Power, Money and Marriage in each of our lives. Of course, the reality is more complicated than that. In the big picture, things might be fine but in the reality of daily life, there is friction and... resentments. A good healthy dose for each of us apparently. This series is supposed to be about power and money in the context of marriage and parenting but when we tried to put the spotlight on the problems around money and power, we got to... resentments. But why? Maybe it's because we feel that the level of power afforded to moms is unfair. Maybe the low value placed on the work of mothering is unfair (and we equate having value with having power). Maybe the expectation around earning income and being a good parent is unfair and wildly unrealistic (and we equate meeting others' expectations to having value to having power). So the chain is: unrealistic expectations that cannot be met --> feeling devalued in others' eyes --> feeling like we get less respect and power --> feelings of unfairness and resentment. Capiche?Maybe some of those resentments are justified. Maybe some are within our control to mitigate and reclaim that power. Anyhow, we dissect in our usual style on this episode. -
Ep141: Power, Money and Marriage Part 2- Why do many women downshift their careers after kids 03.07.2026 1Std.**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience. THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up! --------------------------------------We cringe even as we write this title. Should we use the word "downshift"? Is that a betrayal of generations of feminists who fought for our right to equal opportunity in the classroom and workplace? To current and future women who work so hard for their place in society? Should we use a more neutral word like "renegotiate" instead? But at the exact same time, the question is so obvious to any mom who lives between the paid working world and the child-rearing world. We downshift/change/renegotiate our careers (or don't) because of financial considerations, the emotional weight of going either way and the power that is lost or gained. For the three of us, we are seeing it happen to mom friends all around us. Quietly shifting to something less than full-time. Moving to a related but lower-stress field. Leaving the industry altogether and building something more flexible and maybe more personally meaningful. But it doesn't mean that these women aren't working. On the contrary, many are working more than ever across family and outside of family. At the same time, the specter of expectations of still contributing half of the family income still hangs over many of us. We process it out loud on this second episode of our series. -
Ep140: Power, Money and Marriage Part 1- We started even and now we're here 19.06.2026 58Min.**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience. THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up! --------------------------------------Oh boy we're on a roll with the sticky topics so many of us deal with but are rarely spoken of in polite company. In this new series, we're talking about Power and Money in Marriage. When women did not have equal access to education, financial products or job opportunities, having a lopsided balance of power with your husband was pretty typical, even predictable. But as Millennial women who often outshined our male peers in academic achievement, could run our own financial lives and careers, and was brought up on the 90's slogan of "you can have it all"... what happens if you decide you maybe can't have it all actually (at least not at once) and take a step back your career (and earning power) to focus on motherhood? What are the emotions associated with that? (for us: a curious mix of guilt, shame, self-doubt mixed with deep conviction) What are the social costs? ("I'm a full-time mom" is not often the strongest opener at a mixer) What are the costs to your power in your relationship? What are the financial costs? In true MMM style, we romp through it all. -
Ep139: Mean Mommy vs Nice Mommy - which one are you? 05.06.2026 56Min.**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience. THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up! --------------------------------------Are you a mommy dictator, loosey goose or leader? Are we over-doing the "gentle parenting" and we will end up with teenagers who want awards for just wiping their own butts? Or are we really engaging in age-appropriate expectations that will result in secure, happy, and of course, successful adult children who will want to hang out with us when we're old? Timeouts for your kid. Timeout for mommy. Timers. Countdowns. Tagging in/out with your partner. Authoritarian, Authoritative, Permissive. We talk about all the things related to discipline, trying to get the desired behavior from your child, how hard to push them and what else we're trying to balance at the same time. -
Ep138: Faith & Spirituality series - Marriage across faith backgrounds, what to tell your kids about God, the afterlife and moral living 22.05.2026 52Min.**Special note to our listeners**Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up!--------------------------------------Mom, what happens to you and me when we die? Mom, what is God? Mom, why do you go to temple and Daddy doesn't? Mom, why do bad things happen?In this final episode of our Faith & Spirituality series, we turn our discussion from the spiritual/religious aspects of our childhoods to those of our relationships with our spouses and kiddos. Do you and your spouse share a common spiritual/ religious worldview or not? How has that played out in the early days of your relationship versus now? How does that impact how you raise your children? How are you answering questions from your kids that broach on the spiritual, metaphysical and moral? How does faith, uncertainty and community play out in those conversations?We will be the first to say we don't have clean answers to any of these questions. But we share the messy, honest view of how our own situations have played out in the hope that it sparks a connection, new questions and fresh energy. -
Ep137: Faith & Spirituality series - Religion was weird, powerful, confusing, and beautiful for us as kids 08.05.2026 1Std. 13Min.**Special note to our listeners**Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up!--------------------------------------As a kid, religious stuff can be kind of weird. You're told God might send you to hell, you're forced to sit for hours chanting things that you don't understand, you feel like if you have questions or doubts you are a bad person. Yet for some of us, they also simultaneously offered us a lifeline - a deep community (however flawed), a place to share our gifts, hope of a greater power and goodness, somewhere to turn to when we were at the end of our rope.In this episode, we have a frank conversation about the good, the bad, the weird, the confusing and the beautiful of our religious upbringings. For better or for worse, these experiences were some of the most formative parts of our childhood and we feel people don't talk about it enough. We try to bring our curiosity and honesty to an in-depth look at how we experienced religion and spirituality in our families of origin. -
Ep136: Faith & Spirituality series - The joys and hurts of being an Asian American Christian with Kristin Lee, author of We Mend with Gold 24.04.2026 1Std. 4Min.**Special note to our listeners**Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up!--------------------------------------We know, we're potentially opening up a can of worms with this new series on Faith & Spirituality. Religion, spirituality, faith, worldview, whatever you might call it - it is usually a very private matter in the United States and one that can be full of judgment. At the same time, it is something that informs our values, our choices and how we parent. So in keeping with our style, we decided to dive headlong into it. We aim to speak honestly from our personal experience, based on the mutual trust we have among the three of us and our listeners. We are not aiming to "convert" anyone to our viewpoint but to give visibility to this intimate but very central part of our lived experience.In this episode, we speak with Kristin Lee, a Chinese-American physician, mom, wife and author of We Mend With Gold- An Immigrant Daughter's Reckoning with American Christianity. She talks about the deep joys as well as the misgivings she experienced growing up in the Asian-American church, and the questions that she wrestled with as a young adult. We also discuss the relationship between the white American church and more marginalized Christian voices and how mending those often fractured relationships can lead to a more healthy, beautiful and authentic faith community.To learn more about Kristin's work, check out:Book: We Mend with GoldIG: @ktlee.writesWebsite: https://kristintlee.com/ -
Ep135: Peeing yourself, prolapse, pain - get the pelvic 411 with Dr. Jennifer Guan 10.04.2026 1Std. 13Min.**Special note to our listeners**Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up!--------------------------------------Your pelvis. It's not something most people really think about until they have a problem with it. And often, problems start (for women at least) during pregnancy and post delivery. And it's often not just right after delivery... it can actually last years or even decades. Some of us are still experiencing pain or peeing ourselves years after our kids are born. Then you find out, actually a well-functioning pelvis is critical to having a well-functioning life. If you are peeing yourself during exercise or every time you hear running water, your life will not function well. If organs that should be inside your pelvis, are sliding out of your pelvis, your life will be impacted. If sex, walking around, picking up your child, or doing other normal things are painful, there will be costs to bear. While we can daydream about free postpartum pelvic PT being the standard of care (like it is in France), our guest Dr. Jennifer Guan talks us through the basis of pelvic health, common problems, ways to prevent injury during pregnancy and delivery, and options for care afterwards. Please note that all of our episodes are meant to be informational only and should not be taken as advice. Please consult a qualified professional to get support for your specific situation. Learn more about Dr. Guan's work at https://www.balancedynamicspt.comFurther reading:Pelvic pain:Pelvic Pain Explained by Elizabeth H. Akincilar and Stephanie A. PrendergastWhen Sex Hurts by Andrew T. Goldstein, Caroline F. Pukall, and Irwin Goldstein Postpartum:The Fourth Trimester by Kimberly Ann JohnsonWhy Did No one Tell Me? by Emma Brockwell Peri-menopause/menopause:What Fresh Hell Is This? by Heather CorinnaMenopause Manifesto by Jen GunterThe Hormone Repair Manual by Lara Briden General pelvic health:The Vagina Bible by Jen GunterFloored by Sara Reardon -
Ep134: Feeling hot and crazed? Could it be perimenopause - with Dr. Rebecca Dunsmoor-Su 27.03.2026 1Std. 10Min.**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going!Become a paid subscriber through our Substack.Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up!---------------------------------------Are you looking around periodically these days, wondering if the heat is turned up too high? Waking up in the middle of the night drenched in sweat and mind racing? Feeling extra brain fog, anxiety or depression? Weight creeping on but never off? It might be PERI MENOPAUSE people! In this episode, we talk to Dr. Rebecca Dunsmoor-Su, board certified OBGYN and Chief Medical Officer for Gennev, a clinician-built menopause care platform. She explains the biological basis for perimenopause (it actually shares some similarities with being a teenager! :p), lays out the current medical guidelines for treating perimenopausal symptoms and debunks the many many myths about perimenopause treatments that are floating out there. Perimenopause is absolutely real folks and if you're starting to feel it, you're not alone. We learned that perimenopause is a pivotal time in a women's health - both from a mental health perspective (it's the time when suicide rates are the highest for women) and physical health perspective (you are laying the foundation for a healthy second half of life). So don't ignore it folks and listen!To learn more about Dr. Rebecca Dunsmoor-Su and her work, check out:@ovary_active on IGhttps://gennev.com/ -
Ep133: Teaching kids their heritage language - a conversation with Jojo Learning Founder Christine Yang Barry 13.03.2026 1Std. 33Min.**Giveaway Alert! Keep reading for details** In this episode, we interviewed Christine Yang Berry, creator of the multiple award-winning Jojo Chinese songs for Baby and Me musical book series. Christine created these musical books to help families introduce Mandarin to babies, toddlers, and preschoolers through singing, bonding, and everyday communication. We talk to Christine about the challenges, rewards and opportunities for raising multilingual children and what she's learned over the years about what's foundational for children to acquire multiple languages (hint: it's not flashcards or forced Saturday language school).To celebrate the episode, we're giving away 10 copies of books 1 and 2 of the series. To enter the giveaway, please follow @modelminoritymoms and @jojo_learning on Instagram and comment the word "giveaway" on the post announcing this episode drop. Anyone who tags a parent friend who might also want to raise a Chinese English bilingual child will also receive an additional entry in the random drawing per friend tagged. Giveaway ends March 31 2026. Winners announced in early April 2026. Jojo Learning is also offering a special discount to MMM Listeners- use the code MMMJOJO15 at this link to get 15% off your first order until September 30, 2026.This giveaway is not sponsored or endorsed by any other entity other than Jojo Learning and the Model Minority Moms podcast. -
Ep132: The Joys and Perils of being Mixed Asian 27.02.2026 1Std. 19Min.**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going!Become a paid subscriber through our Substack.Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up!---------------------------------------Being stereotyped as "so pretty" but having your features picked apart. Knowing two cultures but not feeling full belonging in either. People intrigued with you but also often having wildly incorrect assumptions. In this episode, we sit down for a frank conversation with Becky White, a fashion model, voice actress and singer who is of White American and Korean descent. Becky is also the founder of the Halfie Project where she explores and archives the stories of people with mixed Korean ancestry around the world. Becky grew up as a US military kid and as a young adult, lived in South Korea for 10 years before recently settling in New York City with her husband who is of African-American and Korean descent. Among other things, we talk to her about growing up with a white father from the South and a mother who grew up in South Korea, the experience of working in the fashion modeling industry as a mixed-race person, and what she thinks is important to emphasize to the next generation of mixed-race kids.You can learn more about Becky and her work here: IG: @thehalfieprojectIG: @rebeccarose.officialhttps://www.rebeccarosewhite.com/ -
Ep131: Dad postpartum depression and being a biracial dad - interview with Daniel Tam-Claiborne 13.02.2026 1Std. 19Min.**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going!Become a paid subscriber through our Substack.Your contributions help us continue to make contenton issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up!---------------------------------------We welcome Daniel Tam-Claiborne back for a second recording because as Susan would say, there was just too much juice to squeeze in just one episode :) While we talked about his experience growing up as a Chinese-Jewish biracial kid in New York City in the last recording, we fast forward in this one to his experience of becoming a dad. Daniel experienced significant symptoms of postpartum depression after his daughter arrived and he talks us through that often hidden experience that many dads go through after they become parents. He started speaking to his quarter- Chinese daughter in Mandarin as he was coming out of the worst of his postpartum depression and we discuss how he and his wife arrived at the decision to commit to a bilingual upbringing for their child who doesn't easily "read" as Chinese or Chinese American.If you'd like to learn more about Daniel Tam-Claiborne and his work, check out:- His debut novel Transplants which was a 2023 PEN America Literary Award Finalist- Website at www.travelbreedscontent.com -
Ep130: Navigating belonging as a biracial person - interview with Daniel Tam-Claiborne 30.01.2026 1Std. 25Min.Do you sometimes ask your kids questions like "are you doing ok?" or "am I causing you trauma" and then they stare at you blankly and ask if they can have candy now? All three of us have kids who are of multiple racial and ethnic ancestry. We all worry about how they will relate to various parts of their identities and if they will feel a healthy sense of belonging... but that's not the sort of thing most kids will be able to straight up tell you.So we brought on an incredibly thoughtful adult who grew up as a bi-racial person in America and we had a very honest and vulnerable discussion of what that was like for him. Daniel Tam-Claiborne is the author of Transplants, which was a 2023 PEN America Literary Award Finalist. Daniel talks about his childhood growing up in New York City with an ethnically Chinese mother who herself grew up in Cuba and his Jewish father. He discusses how he felt both insider/outsider in many aspects of his identity as a biracial person and how that has shaped his life as an adult and even now as a father of a young daughter.If you have a biracial person in your life that you care for, this one is a must-listen. Learn more about Daniel Tam-Claiborne:- Debut novel Transplants- Website at www.travelbreedscontent.com -
Ep129: K-everything series- KDramas 16.01.2026 1Std. 13Min.**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up!---------------------------------------Spoiler alert! Though we don't go into any shows in deep detail, we do talk about the high-level plot lines of Crash Landing on You, Queen of Tears, Castaway Diva, The Extraordinary Attorney Woo, Winter Sonata, Bon Appetit Your Majesty and When Life Gives You Tangerines.If you've ever promised yourself "just one more episode and I'll go to sleep" past midnight while watching a Kdrama, this is a safe space for you ≧☉_☉≦. If you don't know what we are talking about, you can skip this episode... or listen and choose to enter the delightfully addictive world of Kdramas +_+Why so delightful you ask? Why so addictive? Isn't this just a soap opera but filled with Korean actors instead of American ones? Oh no my dearie... Kdramas are a whole 'nother beast, by turns beautiful, cuddly, cute, hilarious, dark and vengeful. There are storylines that grab you but you won't see often in Western shows (we explore why). Characters that pretty much check every box (and are completely unrealistic but who cares). One episode and you will be invested and hitting that "play next" button until it's embarrassingly late (or early :p). -
Ep128: K-everything series - Korean food (Warning: don't listen hungry!) 02.01.2026 1Std. 8Min.**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up!---------------------------------------Korean BBQ, Kimchi, Bibimbap, Kimbap, Seafood Pancake, Soondu Jigae, Seolleongtang, Naengmyun, Kalbi Jjim - is your mouth watering yet?Riding the broader wave of "Hallyu" (or Korean pop culture) in America, Korean food and ingredients are showing up in more places as well. Kimchi at your local Krogers, gochujang on your pork ribs? And it's not only traditional Korean food that's having a significant influence - what's the story with Paris Baguette in Pittsburgh or (gasp)... Paris? (yes the one in France).In true MMM fashion, we walk through the wonder world that is Korean food and its rising influence in the West. We make your mouth savor with our loving descriptions of how Korean flavors and textures hit our taste buds (we told you - don't listen hungry!), give you a 101 on the traditional Korean table to help deepen your understanding and give you the socio-political-economic take on why Korean food is the way it is and how it's been exported, re-imported and re-exported to be the delightfully delicious array it is today. -
Ep127: K-everything series - Kpop Demon Hunters 19.12.2025 1Std. 5Min.**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up!---------------------------------------Talking about Korean culture in America right now, we couldn't walk past Kpop Demon Hunters. As of now, it is THE MOST WATCHED ORIGINAL NETFLIX TITLE OF ALL TIME, its film soundtrack has 4 songs in the top 10 of the Billboard 100 and was double-platinum certified and it received five Grammy nominations. We see IG reels of Mormon dads dancing with their daughters to Golden. 8-year-old girls with no Korean heritage belting out Take Down at birthday parties. All this delivered by a anime-style cartoon about a modern-day shamanistic Kpop girl group who defeats demons on the side - pretty crazy right?As Asian American women (including one resident Korean-American), we have all the feels about Kpop Demon Hunters and clue you into what we felt were all the secret winks. -
Ep126: K-everything series - K beauty 05.12.2025 1Std.Snail mucin, "glass" or "mochi" skin, BB creams, face masks galore... if you are even remotely interested in makeup and skincare, you've probably noticed the rising influence (bordering on takeover) of Korean beauty in America. Emphasizing skin care and a more "demure" look, Korean beauty products have gone mainstream in the US and are everywhere now from Sephora to Walmart. What's behind the rise of K-beauty products in the US? Do these products even work? What are the beauty standards that underpin them? What about the more invasive beauty procedures (like plastic surgery) that Korea has also become known for? As Asian-Americans (including one resident Korean-American, one makeup and skincare connoisseur, and one professed "cavewoman" skincare adherent :) we've got the exclusive cross-cultural breakdown for you in this fun and honest look at the K-beauty phenomenon in America. -
Ep125: To save your child, what would you do? 21.11.2025 57Min.We speak with Peggy, who received devastating news six months ago that her baby had a rare genetic mutation that meant she may not survive childhood. She and her partner are on a journey to try to beat the odds by developing a gene-editing treatment for her daughter's condition that would require them to raise millions of dollars in charitable giving and convince leading scientists to work on this with them. What would parents do to try to save their kid?If you are at all moved by Peggy's story, please consider donating to keep hopes for a cure alive. We will match all donations that are made through our MMM fundraising page for Peggy's daughter by the end of 2025, up to $5000. Anything you can afford to give, any connections you can make, anyway you can share Peggy's family's story, helps. Here is the link for the MMM fundraising page for Jojo: https://give.rarevillage.org/fundraiser/6839575For those of you who were looking for more k-culture episodes, we'll resume those in two weeks. As Thanksgiving approaches, we are thankful for listeners like you and our MMM community! -
Ep124: K-everything series - Kpop 07.11.2025 1Std. 7Min.**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up!---------------------------------------Have you noticed that Korean stuff is REALLY popular these days? BTS, Black Pink, Kpop Demon Hunters, K-beauty, Korean food, Netflix's Extraordinary Attorney Woo are but a few of the Korean cultural exports that have had immense cultural success in Western markets in recent years.As Asian-Americans (and one resident Korean-American :) we grew up consuming content in the 80's, 90s and the aughts from the largely separate worlds of Asian and American entertainment. So it's kind of a head rush to see how the two worlds are colliding now. We give our unique and under-the-hood perspective on Korean content being embraced in America and beyond - in true MMM fashion, we dive into everything from the geopolitical factors surrounding cultural exports, the unique socio-cultural role that Korean-Americans have played in the global rise of Korean media, to the gossipy bits about Korean celebs. -
Ep123: Tired of being tired? We can relate... 24.10.2025 1Std. 18Min.**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up!---------------------------------------We've said it before and yes, we WILL say it again. It's tiring, exhausting, wearying and grueling to be a parent of young children. Yes, we love our children dearly but the truth is that being the cook, cleaner, playmate, emotional hanky, leader, planner, discipliner, driver, butt-wiper and countless other roles every day to mentally-not-all-there little persons is an immense grind - harder than any other job we've had. Maybe we say "I'm tired" once and we feel "bad" about saying it again but guess what... we are still tired and what's more, we're tired of being tired. In this episode, we break down the many sources of our tiredness (it's physical, yes but also mental, emotional, existential) and the strategies we are using to try to replenish our energies (with no judgment :p)
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