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• #266: The two levers left for app marketers with Shumel Lais, Founder of Day30 08.06.2026 23m

  Performance marketers are running out of levers — and the one most teams haven't pulled yet is signal. In this episode, we speak with Shumel Lais , Founder of Day30, about signal engineering and why it may be the most important skill in performance marketing right now. Shumel explains what signal engineering actually is, how prediction models use behavioural data to identify high-value users before they ever convert, and why synthetic events — goals you engineer rather than observe — help ad platforms like Meta find better users faster. He also shares how subscription apps have achieved up to 50% reductions in CAC, and why, with everything else becoming automated, signal is now one of only two levers performance marketers still control. If you work in user acquisition or subscription growth, this is a must-listen. Today’s topics include: What signal engineering is — and how it differs from simply tracking conversion events How prediction models use behavioural data to score users by conversion probability Synthetic events — engineering goals that don't yet exist to give ad platforms a sharper target Why subscription apps generate the behavioural data depth that makes signal engineering work The three components of an effective signal: volume, velocity, and precision Why performance marketers are down to just two levers — creative and signal Links and Resources: Shumel Lais on LinkedIn Day30 Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry Quotes from Shumel Lais “The concept of signal engineering is to see how we can manipulate that event to give the ad platforms a stronger correlation to the business value that you're after." "A synthetic event is, ultimately, when we're creating an event that doesn't actually exist. These are not things that have actually occurred — but based on the data we take in, we can build this from scratch." "When I think of performance marketing now, everything's become very algorithmic and very black box. There's less and less levers available for marketers to pull. I think there's only really two levers left — one is creative, and the second lever is signal." Host Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry since 2012
• #265: How Agentic AI is changing app growth, from acquisition to retention with Andy Carvel, Ed Brocklebank, Matt Dyson, and Sven Jurgens 28.05.2026 1h 2m

  Hi, welcome to the Business of Apps podcast! Today, we have a special episode for you. We're featuring our recent webinar, presented by Aampe - agentic infrastructure for personalized experiences. It brings together four mobile growth leaders to cut through the AI hype and share what's actually working — from app user acquisition to retention. This session goes beyond buzzwords to unpack the real unit economics of AI-driven testing, the challenges of letting go of control, and what companies like Blinkist are learning on the ground as they make the shift from automation to agentic systems. Without any further ado, let's go! The topics covered on the webinar: The real value of ai in mobile growth today AI tools for non-technical teams What is agentic ai? (plain-english explanation) Feature's "press play": automated aso at scale Trust, control & human-in-the-loop From automation to agentic: what gets harder Building knowledge bases & setting guardrails Letting go of control: risk/reward balance Observability & attribution in agentic marketing Blinkist × amp: real-world agentic crm Strategic ai vs. execution ai Reinforcement learning explained  Final takeaways & recommendations The expert panel: 👥 Sven Jurgens – Mobile Growth Consultant (Host)👥 Andy Carvel – Partner & Co-Founder at Phiture👥 Matt Dyson – VP Marketing, Blinkist👥 Ed Brocklebank – Head of Solutions, Aampe Host Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry since 2012
• #264: How AI decides which brands get found with Lavinea Morris, Managing Director EMEA at M&C Saatchi Performance 25.05.2026 22m

  Brand visibility is no longer just about winning the attention of consumers — it's about being eligible to exist in the spaces where discovery happens. In this episode, we speak with Lavinea Morris, Managing Director EMEA at M&C Saatchi Performance, about what it really takes for brands to show up in an AI-driven world. Lavinea introduces the concept of "eligibility" — the idea that before an ad is ever seen, brands must first earn the right to appear. She explains how the rise of AI and generative engine optimization is reshaping discoverability, why performance marketing is now an organization-wide responsibility, and what the "eligibility tax" costs brands that aren't paying attention. From taxonomy and content to trust signals and data feeds, she makes the case that getting found is no longer the job of one team — or one channel. If you work in performance marketing, growth, or brand strategy, this is a timely conversation about what it means to be visible when the machines are doing the filtering. Today’s topics include: Why attention metrics are more romanticized than useful — and what to measure instead Brand eligibility: what it takes to be visible before an ad is even shown The eligibility tax — the compounding cost brands pay for not showing up in AI-filtered spaces How M&C Saatchi Performance's role has evolved from media buying to full-stack brand consulting Why generative engine optimization (GEO) is becoming as critical as traditional SEO Why performance marketing is no longer just the performance marketer's job Why waiting is never a strategy — especially in a challenging economic climate Links and Resources: Lavinea Morris on LinkedIn M&C Saatchi Performance Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry Quotes from Lavinea Morris “It depends what attention means to you. Every brand or client will consider attention differently... I think it's a slightly romanticized metric. We have to be thinking about what happens before the ad was seen. How eligible is your brand? How are you able to be seen in the ecosystems that we're operating in?” “Legibility tax is what I like to talk about — the price that brands pay for not being eligible. The reality is we're seeing rising costs, and it's not always because of the performance media. It's actually how you're showing up in these spaces. And are other brands doing better than you, getting that first mover advantage? What does that cost you?” “We've spent so many years talking about getting the attention of the humans — be it creative, putting the ads in the right place at the right time. I think now it's so exciting: how do you get the attention of the machines? And that is a new space, but an easy space for us to be working in.” Host Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry since 2012
• #263: Why your MarTech stack is broken with Rebecca Nackson, CEO of Notable – by Branch 27.04.2026 36m

  What if your MarTech stack was actually working  for you instead of against you? In this episode, Amanda and Adam of Branch are joined by Rebecca Nackson, CEO of Notable, to explore why most companies fail at implementation after buying marketing tools, how to enlist salespeople as strategic partners in the buying process, and the systems that separate high-growth teams from stalled ones. From reframing a non-linear career as intentional pattern recognition ("career squiggles"), to closing the costly gap between signing a contract and actually operationalizing a tool, to acting as "connective tissue" across siloed acquisition, retention, and product teams, Rebecca shares practical insights from years spent inside Audible, iHeartRadio, Bandsintown, and now leading her own marketing consultancy. Whether you're drowning in marketing software, trying to make sense of your growth stack, or wondering how AI and low-code tools will reshape build vs. buy decisions, this conversation offers a grounded look at moving from tool chaos to strategic clarity. Links and Resources: Rebecca Nackson on LinkedIn Notable website Branch – Mobile Attribution Platform and App Analytics Solutions For Enterprises Today's topics include: Why "career squiggles" beat linear planning — how adjacent roles across industries compound into pattern-recognition expertise The implementation gap no one talks about: why vendors over-invest in sales and under-invest in helping you operationalize tools post-signature How to flip the buying process and use vendor evaluations to simultaneously inform discovery and implementation roadmaps Acting as "connective tissue" between siloed teams in remote-first orgs — getting acquisition and retention to share data instead of blaming each other The test-learn-scale loop that separates compounding teams from big-swing teams, and why pre-defining success and kill criteria is non-negotiable How AI and low-code tools are blurring the build vs. buy line — and why some tools may no longer be worth paying for The "job to be done" mindset — why asking what's broken beats asking which tool to buy Quotes from Rebecca Nackson: "The ones that are succeeding, it is because they have a system." "You can't scale what you don't trust." "It's a career that's not a straight line. It takes all these squiggles and it makes all the sense in the world in hindsight."
• #262: How AI is changing creative teams with Jen Taylor, Director of AI Strategy & Integration at Capacity Interactive - by Branch 30.03.2026 33m

  What if AI didn’t replace your creative team, but made them more creative than ever? In this episode, Amanda and Adam of Branch are joined by Jen Taylor to explore how AI is changing the way creative teams work, produce, and scale content without losing the human touch. From breaking down the real role of AI in creative production and why it won’t replace artists, to how teams can use AI to iterate faster, test more ideas, and focus on higher-value creative work, Jen shares practical insights from the front lines of AI-driven marketing and content creation. Whether you’re building a creative team, scaling marketing production, or trying to understand where AI actually fits into your workflow, this conversation offers a grounded look at how AI can amplify creativity rather than replace it. Links and Resources: Jen Taylor  on LinkedIn Capacity Interactive website Branch - Mobile Attribution Platform and App Analytics Solutions For Enterprises Today’s topics include: How teams can treat AI as a strategic collaborator rather than just a productivity tool, helping refine audience targeting, messaging, and campaign direction  A practical three-stage approach to adopting AI: first set internal policies, then train teams on prompting and tools, and finally connect AI initiatives to measurable business outcomes Why ethical considerations are especially important for creative and arts organizations, including questions around ownership, environmental impact, and imitation, and why intentional tool selection matters Ways organizations can maintain consistency across teams by using AI tools trained on brand voice, tone, and mission while still keeping human review in place The idea of “human-driven AI,” where people remain involved at every stage — from prompts to review — to maintain quality and avoid low-quality automated output Using AI to analyze audiences and personalize messaging by testing content across different segments and allowing AI to uncover new audience opportunities and insights Quotes from Jen Taylor: “AI can do anything, which is overwhelming and changes how it functions as a tool. AI is a tool, but to me it feels more like a new way to work.” “AI does efficiency, but when it comes to strategy and using these tools as thought partners, that’s where they really shine.” “I fully believe in human-driven AI. It starts with the prompt, with your strategy and your direction, and at the end of the day the human is still responsible for what goes forward.”
• #261: How AI is reshaping app store search with Dave Bell, CEO at Gummicube 02.03.2026 12m

  Search inside the app stores is changing — and AI is accelerating that shift. In this episode, we speak with Dave Bell, CEO at Gummicube, about how artificial intelligence is transforming the way users discover apps. Dave explains why search is becoming more conversational and intent-driven, how natural language queries are reshaping rankings, and why the era of optimizing for a single dominant keyword is fading. As users ask longer, more specific questions — both inside the App Store and through tools like ChatGPT — ASO strategies must evolve to reflect how people actually search. If you’re responsible for app visibility, organic growth, or ASO strategy, this episode offers a timely look at where search is heading next.Without any further ado, let’s get started. Today’s topics include: How AI is changing app store search behavior Natural language queries and intent-based ranking Why single-keyword optimization no longer works The growing role of LLMs in app discovery Apple opening the App Store to web indexing What AI-driven search means for future ASO strategy Links and Resources: Dave Bell on LinkedIn Gummicube Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry Quotes from Dave Bell “It’s not about looking for the one keyword to rule them all. It’s not The Lord of the Rings — it’s about understanding all the ways users might search and find your app.” “Users are really being retrained both in the way that they search for information and in terms of what results they expect from a natural search.” “LM models are now including summaries and links to apps that best fit a user’s prompt, giving users a new path into the app stores.” Host Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry since 2012
• #260: Your mobile app strategy is backward with Matt Hudson, Founder of BILDIT - by Branch 23.02.2026 40m

  What if your mobile app strategy was holding back your entire company's growth? In this episode, Amanda and Adam of Branch welcome back Matt Hudson, founder of BILDIT, to discuss why mobile-first thinking isn't just about technology—it's an organizational imperative. From breaking down the real ROI of app investment and the myth of channel cannibalization, to preparing your ecommerce business for AI discovery optimization, Matt shares hard-won lessons on aligning teams, personalizing customer experiences, and staying ahead of LLM-driven search trends. Whether you're scaling retail, launching a mobile strategy, or wrestling with how to compete in an AI-first world, this conversation cuts through the noise to deliver actionable insights that will reshape how you think about customer engagement across all channels. Links and Resources: Matt Hudson on LinkedIn BILDIT website Branch - Mobile Attribution Platform and App Analytics Solutions For Enterprises Today’s topics include: How to determine if your ecommerce business actually needs a mobile app Why organizational alignment across teams matters more than technology The critical difference between SEO and AI discovery optimization How to immediately implement AI-ready data on your site today Why React Native and cross-functional web-and-mobile teams accelerate app growth How AI personalization works at scale using embeddings and vectors Quotes from Matt Hudson: “The entire org of your company, no matter how big or small, has got to be vested in the growth of the mobile app.” “You know who doesn’t care about cannibalization? The customer. The customer. They want the easiest experience to convert.” “If the mobile app doesn’t improve your ROAS, your return on ad spend, nobody’s going to do anything with it."
• #259: Measuring real-world impact in app marketing with Dane Buchanan, Global Chief Data & Analytics Officer at M+C Saatchi Performance 16.02.2026 13m

  How do you know if your app marketing is actually driving growth — or just generating activity? In this episode, we speak with Dane Buchanan, Global Chief Data & Analytics Officer at M+C Saatchi Performance, about one of the most misunderstood topics in app growth: measurement. Dane explains why clicks and impressions don’t tell the full story, why incrementality matters more than correlation, and how brands often underestimate their real ROI by ignoring offline impact. He also shares a case study where better measurement revealed that media ROI was actually three times higher than previously reported — changing the company’s investment strategy entirely. Today’s topics include: Why traditional media metrics fail to show true business impact What incrementality really means in app marketing The gap between online measurement and offline revenue A real-world case study showing 3× higher ROI Designing measurement systems that work in a privacy-first ecosystem Links and Resources: Dane Buchanan on LinkedIn M+C Saatchi Performance Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry Quotes from Dane Buchanan “In one line, incrementality is what wouldn’t have happened without the media.” “The issue with digital attribution and clicks and impressions is that it doesn’t truly show growth.” “If you’re only measuring online sales and ignoring offline revenue, you’re not seeing the full impact of your media — and that can lead to significant underinvestment” Host Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry since 2012
• #258: From installs to outcomes in app growth with Lee Aho, Chief Revenue Officer at Perform[cb] 09.02.2026 18m

  Scaling user acquisition has become harder to justify and even harder to predict. App teams are under pressure to grow faster while proving, with real data, that every dollar spent delivers meaningful results beyond the install. In this episode, we’re sharing an App Talk interview where David Murphy speaks with Lee Aho, Chief Revenue Officer at Perform[cb]. Lee explains how outcome-based user acquisition models help brands move past surface-level metrics like CPI and focus instead on the downstream events that actually define quality — from registrations and deposits to trades, wagers, and long-term value. Today’s topics include: How outcome-based user acquisition shifts optimization from installs to the actions that truly define user quality The role of CPI and CPE models — and why they aren’t competing approaches when paired with the right down-funnel signals Using cross-program data and pattern recognition to drive more predictable and scalable UA performance Why keyword conquesting remains one of the most effective ways to accelerate organic lift through paid investment How rewarded environments and structured pilot programs can unlock high-intent users and long-term partnerships Links and Resources: Lee Aho on LinkedIn Perform[cb] website Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry Quotes from Lee Aho “We’re only getting paid for net new users, so all of our optimization centers around the outcomes that brands tell us are their leading indicators of quality.” “When you’re looking at hundreds of programs, you’re not just seeing what happened — you’re starting to see what’s about to happen.” “Brands want user acquisition that scales in a predictable way, and that’s where performance-based models can really help.” Host Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry since 2012
• #257: Why saying “no” Is key to long-term success with Mick Rigby, founder and CEO of Yodel Mobile - by Branch 02.02.2026 31m

  Welcome to another episode of How I Grew This podcast from our partner Branch – mobile attribution platform and app analytics solutions for enterprises. It covers building a sustainable agency through values-driven leadership and specialist focus. In this episode, hosts Amanda and Adam speak with Mick Rigby, founder and CEO of Yodel Mobile, about his 20-year journey building a specialist mobile app marketing agency. From launching just before the iPhone's debut to being recently acquired by NP Digital, Mick shares insights on sustainable growth, maintaining company values, and adapting to industry changes. Links and Resources: Mick Rigby on LinkedIn Yodel Mobile  website Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry Today’s topics include: Saying “no” is a strategic advantage in app growth because focus and discipline create stronger long-term outcomes than chasing every opportunity. Yodel Mobile succeeded by committing early to being a specialist app marketing agency rather than a generalist digital services provider. Sustainable growth comes from cash-flow discipline, profitability, and resisting the pressure to scale faster than the business can support. Retaining talent and building a strong internal culture is a more durable competitive advantage than rapid hiring or aggressive expansion. AI will improve efficiency and data analysis in app marketing, but human skills like judgment, empathy, and strategy will matter even more. Quotes from Mick Rigby: “I think there’s something really powerful in the ability to say no” “AI, the robots… there is so much that they’re good at, but they are and they will continue to lack the human element.” ““I’m a great believer in you either have to be a specialist or a generalist."
• #256: Ad quality is hurting retention & app revenue with Alex Yerukhimovich, General Manager at AppHarbr 26.01.2026 25m

  For many app teams, ads are treated as a necessary tradeoff — something you accept in exchange for revenue. But ad quality isn’t just an ad ops issue. It directly shapes user experience, retention, and how people perceive your app. In this episode, we’re sharing an App Talks interview where David Murphy speaks with Alex Yerukhimovich, General Manager at AppHarbr. Alex breaks down what ad quality really means in practice, why the problem is getting worse, and how bad ads can quietly undermine performance — through shorter sessions, higher churn, and even one-star reviews that impact store visibility. From disruptive ad behaviour to scams and deceptive creatives, this conversation is a practical look at why publishers need more transparency and more control over what gets served inside their apps. Today’s topics include: Ad quality defined: why users see ads as part of the app experience — and blame publishers for what they see The three major categories of “bad ads”: inappropriate content, disruptive behavior, and malvertising scams Why ad quality is becoming a bigger problem outside gaming, especially for apps built on long-term retention How bad ads damage monetization and growth: shorter sessions, uninstalls, churn, and one-star reviews that affect store visibility What publishers can do about it: transparency, proactive enforcement, and real-time control instead of relying on ad networks to fix issues Links and Resources: Alex Yerukhimovich on LinkedIn Appharbr website Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry Quotes from Alex Yerukhimovich “Users associate any bad experience within the app with the app itself.” “If the ads in your app are bad for your users, your app is bad.” “Ad quality in the industry deteriorates… it’s getting worse and it requires active approach to solve it.” Host Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry since 2012
• #255: ChatGPT and the future of app discovery with Dan Shabtay, Co-Founder of Z2A Digital 19.01.2026 25m

  The way app users discover, evaluate, and even build apps is starting to shift — and large language models are at the center of that change. As AI platforms evolve beyond chat and into full ecosystems, app growth teams are facing a new set of questions around discovery, distribution, and long-term strategy. In this episode, we’re sharing an App Talks interview with Dan Shabtay, Co-Founder of Z2A Digital. Dan explores how the emerging app ecosystem inside ChatGPT is opening the door to a new wave of app creation — from no-code tools and solo entrepreneurs to entirely new user acquisition channels embedded directly within AI platforms. Today’s topics include: Dan explains how ChatGPT is evolving into a platform with its own internal app marketplace, giving developers access to hundreds of millions of users without relying on traditional app stores. Entrepreneurs and creators can now build and publish functional apps without engineering teams, fundamentally changing who can participate in app development and how quickly new ideas can reach the market. Unlike iOS or Google Play, apps built inside LLM ecosystems immediately tap into an existing, engaged user base, reducing friction around discovery and distribution. Traditional user acquisition isn’t disappearing, but it is shifting. Classic channels will coexist with new LLM-based acquisition models, including potential in-chat placements and AI-native ad formats. Beyond IQ and EQ, adaptability becomes the defining skill for app growth teams navigating rapid, AI-driven change. Links and Resources: Dan Shabtay on LinkedIn Z2A Digital website Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry Quotes from Dan Shabtay: “It’s the most efficient infrastructure ever that has been created for entrepreneurs.” “For me as a business owner and as an entrepreneur, it’s a gold rush.” “AQ is adaptability… you have to be adaptable to the high-paced technology that’s going on right now.” Host Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry since 2012
• #254: Subscription App Growth: Insights from the Frontlines with Shumel Lais, Co-Founder at Day 30 - by Branch 08.01.2026 34m

  Happy 2026, everybody! We're kicking off this year with an episode from our partner Branch - mobile attribution platform and app analytics solutions for enterprises. Join Adam and Amanda of Branch as they sit down with Shumel Lais, a mobile growth expert with over a decade of experience, to explore the essential strategies for launching and scaling subscription apps. From setting up proper analytics and understanding payback periods to navigating iOS challenges and leveraging AI, this episode delivers practical insights for both startup founders and established app developers. Learn why immediate ROI isn't always the goal, when to start paid acquisition, and how to build a sustainable growth strategy in today's complex mobile landscape. Links and Resources: Shumel Lais on LinkedIn Day30 website Branch website Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry Quotes from Shumel Lais: “In the app ecosystem, there’s traditionally two key verticals: gaming and non-gaming subscription apps. The gaming folks are typically pretty well resourced when it comes to BI and data science, but on the non-gaming side it’s lacking — and that’s really where we’ve seen the opportunity.” “There are a lot of really exciting things possible with data science and machine learning. The question is how good we can get the signals that feed these black-box algorithms through prediction.” “What I see with early-stage teams is a desire to recoup their investment almost immediately. That makes sense when cash is constrained, but the bigger apps grow faster because they’re willing to wait six to twelve months to get that money back."
• #253: How paid campaigns boost your ASO with David Quinn, VP of Strategy and Partnerships at Gummicube 18.12.2025 22m

  App Store optimization is often treated as a checklist item — update keywords, run a few tests, maybe layer on some paid traffic. But when those pieces operate in isolation, teams miss the real opportunity: using paid and organic together as a single, feedback-driven system. In this episode, we’re sharing an App Talks interview with David Quinn, VP of Strategy and Partnerships at Gummicube. David reframes ASO not as a standalone discipline, but as a full-funnel acquisition and conversion engine — one where keyword strategy, creative testing, and paid campaigns continuously inform one another. Today’s topics include: Why ASO only works when keyword strategy, creative testing, and paid campaigns are treated as one system How paid campaigns can actively support organic rankings instead of cannibalizing them Using Apple Search Ads taps and share of voice to influence App Store search performance Structuring Apple Ads campaigns and ad groups for clearer insights and better optimization The role of custom product pages in improving conversion and lowering paid acquisition costs Links and Resources: David Quinn on LinkedIn Gummicube website Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry Quotes from David Quinn “ASO isn’t any one of these things in a vacuum — it’s the combination of keyword updates, A/B testing, and paid campaigns, and the learnings you get from all of them together.” “If you launch paid campaigns before setting up your metadata, you’re missing a huge opportunity for the algorithm to understand what you should rank for.” “Paid search placements can help organic performance because taps are signals — if users choose your app more often, the store learns to rank it higher.” Host Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry since 2012
• #252: Fixing app store funnel drop-offs with Vivian Dang, Senior Director of Accounts & Client Services at Gummicube 15.12.2025 12m

  In today’s episode, we’re digging into one of the most overlooked levers in mobile growth: the App Store page itself. Developers obsess over UA budgets, creative variations, and dashboards — yet leave untapped conversion sitting on the table simply because the storefront experience isn’t aligned with how users actually arrive. To get clarity on what really moves the needle, we’re sharing with you our App Talks interview with Vivian Dang, Senior Director of Accounts & Client Services at Gummicube. Vivian breaks down why most teams still treat their App Store presence as static, why aggregate conversion numbers hide more than they reveal, and how to rebuild your storefront around traffic sources, intent, and user expectations. Across this conversation, Vivian shares practical strategies you can apply immediately — from structuring A/B tests that produce meaningful learnings, to building custom product pages that match funnel entry points, to using in-app events and promotional content to re-engage segments. If you want a clearer playbook for improving conversion and getting more value from every campaign, this episode is a must-listen. Let’s dive in: here’s Vivian Dang, Senior Director of Accounts & Client Services at Gummicube. Today’s topics include: Why aggregate conversion rates hide the real performance issues inside your App Store funnel How to use custom product pages and custom store listings to tailor the storefront to each traffic source Leveraging in-app events and promotional content to surface new features and re-engage lapsed users Building disciplined, hypothesis-driven A/B testing frameworks that deliver continuous learnings The key metrics that actually matter on iOS and Google Play — and how to measure impact channel by channel Links and Resources: Vivian Dang on LinkedIn Gummicube website Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry Quotes from Vivian Dang “If you’re not tailoring your App Store experience to each of the different traffic funnels that exist, then you’re literally just spending money to drive users to the page and then lose them.” “A/B testing needs to be something where it’s extremely structured, where you have hypotheses going in so that you can get clearer answers at the very end of it.” “You should be taking stock of every single individual channel and source you have so you can best prepare yourself for launch and ultimately for your long-term success.” Host Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry since 2012
• #251: Solving app growth complexity with AI with Eoin Hallahan, CRO at SplitMetrics 08.12.2025 23m

  For years, mobile marketers have been navigating a storm of signal loss, rising UA costs, siloed data, and an explosion of tools that promise growth but rarely deliver clarity.Now, with 2026 on the horizon — and budgets tightening even further — one question keeps resurfacing: How do you drive confident, profitable app growth in the year ahead? In this App Talk special of the Business of Apps Podcast, David Murphy speaks with Eoin Hallahan, Chief Revenue Officer at SplitMetrics, about what the mobile growth landscape is really demanding of teams as they prepare for 2026. Eoin lays out the new realities UA and ASO managers are facing: deeper signal loss, more channel fragmentation, and rising internal pressure to deliver results without expanding headcount. You’ll hear how SplitMetrics is reshaping app growth with a unified approach to Apple Ads, App Store Optimization, and AI — including SplitMetrics Iris, an AI agent trained specifically on mobile marketing data. Eoin explains how Iris gives UA teams a strategic edge by turning competitor activity, keyword trends, and performance blind spots into instant, actionable guidance. If you’re reevaluating your growth playbook for 2026 — or looking for a smarter, faster way to connect the dots across UA, ASO, and analytics — this conversation is essential listening. Let’s dive in: here’s Eoin Hallahan, CRO at SplitMetrics. Today’s topics include: Why app growth is getting harder heading into 2026, from signal loss to budget pressure and fragmented data. How UA and ASO workflows need to evolve, and why aligning paid and organic strategies is now essential. What SplitMetrics Iris does, and how an AI agent built specifically for mobile marketing changes decision-making. How AI speeds up competitive research, keyword strategy, and campaign optimization — with examples from Flow and NordVPN. Where app growth is heading next, including automation, real-time intelligence, and a new operating model for mobile growth. Links and Resources: Eoin Hallahan on LinkedIn SplitMetrics website SplitMetrics Iris Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry Quotes from Eoin Hallahan “Mobile app marketing is hard, and SplitMetrics exists to make it easy for our customers and to drive growth.” “Conditions today are more volatile and unpredictable than ever, with trends shifting all the time — marketers need a new way of working to keep up.” “Iris isn’t just automation; it’s a new operating system for mobile growth — it flips the model from dashboards and guesswork to instant, actionable clarity.” Host Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry since 2012
• #250: CTV powering mobile conversion with Kaitlin Stebbins, Mobile Growth & Performance Media Lead at Samsung Ads 01.12.2025 15m

  As mobile marketers head into another year of rising costs, shrinking signal, and fiercer competition across search and social, one performance channel keeps gaining momentum where few expected it: connected TV. What used to be dismissed as “just a brand play” is now becoming a measurable, high-intent driver of installs and in-app actions — especially when powered by OEM data. In this App Talk special of the Business of Apps Podcast, David Murphy sits down with Kaitlin Stebbins, Mobile Growth & Performance Media Lead at Samsung Ads, to unpack what CTV can really do for app growth. Kaitlin breaks down how Samsung’s unique data layer, measurement integrations, and precision targeting are helping mobile marketers reach new audiences, hit their KPIs, and diversify beyond the crowded Meta-Google-TikTok triangle. You’ll hear why CTV is no longer an upper-funnel luxury, how Samsung connects exposure to mobile conversions, and why even allocating 5–10% of spend can unlock incremental users that traditional channels miss. If you’re rethinking your performance mix for 2026 — this conversation is your roadmap. Today’s topics include: Why CTV is no longer just brand awareness and how it now drives installs and in-app actions. How Samsung Ads leverages OEM data to deliver precise, performance-focused targeting. Why mobile marketers should diversify beyond search and social to reach higher-value audiences. How CTV measurement works, including IP-based attribution through mobile measurement partners. What success on CTV looks like, from KPI alignment to full-funnel performance across TV, mobile, and web. Links and Resources: Kaitlin Stebbins on LinkedIn Samsung Ads website Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry Quotes from Kaitlin Stebbins “The idea that CTV can’t drive performance is a big misnomer — we’ve been working with direct-response advertisers for years, and it absolutely drives action.” “CTV reaches a completely different audience than social — older, higher-income, and far more likely to take meaningful action after seeing an ad.” “Lean heavily into CTV in 2026. Your big, beautiful creative deserves to be seen on the largest screen in the home — served to the right person at the right time.” Host Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry since 2012
• #249: "The Modern UA Funnel: From Acquisition to Unstoppable Retention" App Promotion Summit NYC panel 10.11.2025 22m

  You know it better than us - acquiring users is no longer the finish line. It’s barely the starting line. In 2025, growth happens in the layers after the click — where segmentation, onboarding, product activation and value messaging determine whether a user becomes a one-and-done trial or a compounding revenue cohort. In this special episode, we’re syndicating the App Promotion Summit NYC 2025 panel The Modern UA Funnel — from Acquisition to Unstoppable Retention. It’s a real-world look at how UA has changed — not just in channels, but in how teams measure success, attribute value, and design creative that bridges acquisition, activation and loyalty. From ATT- pressure to creative fatigue to first-party signal strategy — this is where modern growth teams are now placing their bets. Moderated by Nicole Weiss, Founder of Brass Finch, the panel of experts included: Vincent Eterlet, Senior Director of Marketing at Fubo 🎗️ Jonathan Reich 🎗️, CEO of ZEDGE The panel’s topics include: the shift from measuring ROAS to measuring incremental value across the user lifecycle full-funnel UA as one system — not acquisition vs retention teams how creative testing now needs first-party signals, not broad meta heuristics turning trial users into long-term revenue cohorts through moments that matter durable growth during ATT era — building compounding retention loops instead of chasing cheap installs
• #248: Beyond walled gardens: Unlocking new paths for UA with Omri Argaman, Co-Founder and CMO at Zoomd 03.11.2025 13m

  As app marketers navigate rising costs and tightening privacy rules, one truth is becoming clear — relying solely on Meta, Google, and TikTok is no longer sustainable. Beyond those walled gardens lies a vast, often overlooked landscape — the open internet — where opportunities for user acquisition remain untapped. In this App Talks special of the Business of Apps Podcast, David Murphy sits down with Omri Argaman, Co-Founder and CMO of Zoomd, to unpack how brands can scale efficiently outside the major ad platforms. Omri shares lessons from running thousands of campaigns across more than 600 integrated channels — from SDK and OEM partnerships to mobile operators and in-game ads. You’ll hear why advertisers need to rethink where their users are, how to combat fraud while operating in open markets, and what strategies help brands grow globally without overspending on the usual platforms. If your growth plan still starts and ends with Meta or Google — this episode will change how you think about your acquisition mix. Let’s dive in: here’s Omri Argaman, Co-Founder and CMO at Zoomd. Today’s topics include: Expanding beyond walled gardens: Why advertisers should move past Meta, Google, and TikTok to access untapped audiences and reduce competition. Understanding the open internet: Overview of ad channels like SDK networks, OEMs, mobile operators, DSPs, affiliate, native, and in-game advertising. Key challenges: Need for experienced partners, patience in optimization, regional differences, and higher exposure to ad fraud. Success stories: Case studies showing 200% growth for a streaming app and 30% lower acquisition costs for an e-commerce brand. Practical advice: Start small with test budgets, focus on performance models, use anti-fraud tools, and find reliable partners for sustainable scale. Links and Resources: Omri Argaman on LinkedIn Zoomd website Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry Quotes from Omri Argaman “A lot of advertisers avoid the open internet because they don’t have the knowledge or the right partner — but that doesn’t mean their customers aren’t there.” “Success outside the walled gardens takes patience. You need to test, measure, and adapt across regions — not just spend and hope for results.” “Don’t be afraid to step beyond Meta and Google. Start small, work on performance models, and you’ll find a whole new ocean of users to acquire.” Host Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry since 2012
• #247: "AI & App Engagement" App Promotion Summit NYC panel 27.10.2025 31m

  What happens when AI meets lifecycle marketing? In this special episode, we’re bringing you a panel discussion from App Promotion Summit NYC 2025, featuring leaders from WHOOP, theCut, and Grohaus. They unpack how AI is transforming app engagement — from personalization at scale to the rise of 100,000-message permutations. You’ll hear where AI makes a real impact, where it still stumbles, and what it takes to maintain brand voice when your intern is… ChatGPT. 🎧 Tune in for tactical insights, candid lessons, and fresh perspectives from the frontlines of app growth in the age of AI. The panel of experts included: David Brown-Landron, Founder & CEO of Grohaus Samantha Smith, Sr. Lifecycle Marketing Manager, Engagement & Retention at WHOOP Darrian Cate, Head of Growth at theCut