In the Thick of It

Episodios

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  The Science and Lived Experience of ICDs in HCM 28.09.2026 33m

  Dr. Rachel J. Lampert, MD, a cardiac electrophysiologist and professor of medicine at Yale School of Medicine, and patient advocate Hannah Keime of HeartCharged join Dr. John Fritzlen to discuss arrhythmias, sudden cardiac death, and life after receiving an implantable cardioverter-defibrillator (ICD) in hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM). The conversation covers how often patients with HCM receive ICDs and device therapy, why shock risk persists for a decade or more after implant, and how clinicians look for precipitants and structural changes before escalating treatment with beta blockers, antiarrhythmics like sotalol, catheter ablation, or cardiac denervation. Dr. Lampert shares findings from the LIVE-HCM study on vigorous exercise and arrhythmia risk, along with a structured approach for safely returning to exercise after a shock. Additionally, Hannah reflects on being shocked both in her sleep and on stage, the emotional weight of living with a device, and how adjustments to her ICD programming shaped her experience. 
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  Long-Term Realities: Managing Disease Progression and ICD Selection in Young HCM Patients 02.06.2026 29m

  Patient advocates Hannah and Bethany Keime from HeartCharged sit down with Dr. John Fritzlen to discuss the long-term journey of living with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM). The conversation covers the progressive nature of the condition, including the onset of heart failure symptoms, atrial fibrillation, and myocardial remodeling over decades, as well as how advanced diagnostics like cardiopulmonary exercise testing (CPET) help clinicians track subtle declines. Dr. Fritzlen shares tailored approaches for counseling young or newly diagnosed patients, emphasizing the importance of active lifestyle management and proactive treatment strategies like cardiac myosin inhibitors. Additionally, the group addresses the critical clinical and lifestyle factors involved in selecting implantable cardioverter-defibrillators (ICDs), detailing the durability advantages of subcutaneous (S-ICD) and extravascular (EV-ICD) systems for active, younger populations.
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  Reevaluating Beta Blockers: New Evidence in Non-Obstructive HCM Care 05.05.2026 17m

  Dr. Florian Rader joins Dr. Louise Bjerregaard to discuss a groundbreaking randomized, double-blind, triple-crossover trial that challenges the long-standing "mantra" of using beta blockers as first-line therapy for non-obstructive hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM). Dr. Bjerregaard explains how the study compared bisoprolol, verapamil, and placebo, revealing that bisoprolol actually resulted in a significant reduction in functional capacity and a worsening of patient symptoms as measured by the KCCQ score. The conversation explores why slowing the heart rate may be detrimental to patients with "stiff hearts" who rely on chronotropic competence to maintain cardiac output, and why calcium channel blockers like verapamil might be a more favorable alternative for symptom management. This episode is essential listening for clinicians looking to move beyond expert opinion toward evidence-based, personalized care for their non-obstructive HCM patients.View the results of the trial here: https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jacc.2025.11.028
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  The Personalized Heart: Moving Beyond the 15mm Rule in HCM Diagnosis 24.04.2026 21m

  Dr. John Fritzlen sits down with Dr. Hunain Shiwani to discuss a paradigm shift in diagnosing hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM). For 50 years, the medical community has relied on a static 15mm wall thickness threshold that fails to account for individual body size, age, and biological sex; a bias that often leaves female patients underdiagnosed. Dr. Shiwani details his team’s groundbreaking research using machine learning and cardiac MRI data from the UK Biobank to establish personalized diagnostic thresholds. Discover how these demographic-based indexes can improve clinical accuracy, reduce diagnostic bias, and empower clinicians through tools like the HCM Calculator to provide more equitable care for patients on the margins of traditional criteria.References:HCM Calculator: https://hcmcalculator.com/
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  The ODYSSEY Continues: Deep Diving into Non-Obstructive HCM Data 24.04.2026 23m

  Dr. James MacNamara welcomes Dr. Milind Desai from the Cleveland Clinic to dissect the results and implications of the ODYSSEY trial, the largest study ever conducted in hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM). The trial investigated the use of mavacamten in patients with non-obstructive HCM, a population with significant unmet medical needs. While the study did not reach statistical significance for its primary endpoints of KCCQ score and peak VO2, Dr. Desai highlights a powerful "rowing in the same direction" effect seen in secondary data. This includes a 53% reduction in cardiac biomarkers (BNP and troponin) and favorable cardiac remodeling observed on echocardiography. The conversation explores why a strong placebo effect may have impacted the results and identifies a specific "sweet spot" responder group: patients with an ejection fraction above 65% and no history of atrial tachyarrhythmias.References:ODYSSEY Subgroup Analysis: https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jacc.2025.12.092ODYSSEY Exploratory Analyses: https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jacc.2025.12.092ODYSSEY-HCM Trial: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2505927
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  Bionic Tech and Shared Decisions: Exploring the Spectrum of ICD Care in HCM 22.12.2025 28m

  In this episode of In the Thick of It, Dr. John Fritzlen joins leading electrophysiologist Dr. Mark Link and Hannah and Bethany from Heart Charged to discuss the critical role of implantable cardioverter-defibrillators (ICDs) in managing hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. The group navigates the complex clinical landscape of ICD indications, including the importance of MRI findings and specific risk factors like non-sustained ventricular tachycardia (NSVT). Dr. Link provides an expert comparison of transvenous, subcutaneous (S-ICD), and the latest extravascular (EV-ICD) technologies, focusing on device durability and suitability for active patients. Throughout the conversation, the "Bionic Babes" of Heart Charged offer invaluable patient perspectives on life with a defibrillator, the necessity of shared decision-making, and the evolving guidelines that now encourage vigorous exercise for those living with the condition.
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  Redefining the Standard: Insights from the MAPLE Trial in Obstructive HCM 22.12.2025 17m

  In this episode of In the Thick of It, Dr. Floridian Rader and Dr. Ahmad Masri discuss the transformative results of the MAPLE trial, a head-to-head study comparing aficamten—a cardiac myosin inhibitor—to metoprolol in patients with symptomatic obstructive hypertrophic cardiomyopathy1. The trial utilized a rigorous "double-dummy" design to ensure blinding while testing both medications at therapeutic doses2. Dr. Masri highlights unexpected findings, including the significant reduction in peak $VO_2$ and the worsening of cardiac biomarkers like NT-proBNP in the metoprolol group3. The conversation explores how these results challenge decades of reliance on beta-blockers as a first-line therapy and demonstrate the efficacy of aficamten as a potent upfront monotherapy for improving patient function and cardiac remodeling4.
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  Decoding Refractory Symptoms: Advanced Diagnosis and Management in HCM 22.12.2025 21m

  In this episode of In the Thick of It, Dr. Madeline Smoot talks with Dr. Alex McNamara to discuss the complexities of managing refractory symptoms in patients with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM). The conversation highlights the distinction between obstructive and non-obstructive symptoms, emphasizing the importance of provocative testing—such as cardiopulmonary exercise testing (CPET) and gold-directed Valsalva maneuvers—to unmask "labile" obstruction that resting echoes might miss. They explore the evolving role of cardiac myosin inhibitors and the potential impact of GLP-1 agonists on obesity-related symptom burden. Additionally, Dr. McNamara provides insights into identifying red flags beyond obstruction, including primary mitral valve disease and the early stages of restrictive or "burnt-out" HCM.
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  The "Neglected Middle": Redefining HCM Genetics with Intermediate Effect Variants 22.12.2025 29m

  In this episode of In the Thick of It, genetic counselor Matthew Thomas sits down with Dr. Roddy Walsh and Dr. Juan Pablo Ochoa to discuss their groundbreaking research on the genetic architecture of Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy (HCM). The conversation centers on "Intermediate Effect Variants" (IEVs)—genetic markers that fall between rare, high-impact Mendelian mutations and common, low-impact polygenic risk factors. By utilizing a massive dataset of over 20,000 patients and robust ancestry-matched controls, the researchers demonstrate how these variants contribute to disease severity, age of onset, and wall thickness. This episode explores the practical implications for clinical genetic testing, the necessity of diverse genomic data, and how these findings are shifting the field toward a more quantitative and comprehensive understanding of HCM risk.References: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.125.074529
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  The Center of Excellence: Redefining Specialized Care in HCM 22.12.2025 27m

  In this episode of In the Thick of It, Dr. Betty Raman interviews Dr. Srihari Naidu, Director of the Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy Medical Center at Westchester Medical Center, to explore what truly defines a "Center of Excellence". Dr. Naidu shares how his philosophy has evolved from a structural focus on advanced imaging and surgical tools to a patient-centered approach that prioritizes individualized care and a multidisciplinary "heart team". The discussion highlights the critical role of specialized centers in navigating complex differential diagnoses—such as amyloidosis or mitochondrial HCM—and the importance of shared decision-making in sudden cardiac death risk stratification. Dr. Naidu also provides a practical roadmap for clinicians looking to establish regional HCM services, emphasizing the necessity of robust echo protocols and strong collaborative networks for advanced procedures.
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  Metabolic Modulation in Non-Obstructive HCM: Exploring the FORTITUDE Trial 22.12.2025 20m

  In this episode of In the Thick of It, hosts Dr. Betty Raman and Dr. James MacNamara welcome Professor Martin Maron, Director of the Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy Center at Lahey Hospital & Medical Center, to discuss the innovative FORTITUDE-HCM study. This Phase 2b trial focuses on the symptomatic non-obstructive HCM population—a group considered to have one of the greatest unmet treatment needs in the field. The conversation explores the unique mechanism of ninerafaxstat, a metabolic modulator that shifts energy utilization from fatty acids to glucose to improve cardiac energetics and diastolic relaxation. Professor Maron highlights the promising results from the earlier IMPROVE-HCM trial, details the 12-week design of the current study, and speculates on a future where "combination therapy" becomes the standard of care for complex HCM cases.
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  The SONATA Trial: SGLT2 Inhibition as a New Frontier in HCM Treatment 22.12.2025 17m

  In this episode of In the Thick of It, Dr. James MacNamara sits down with Dr. Sharlene Day, Director of Translational Research at the University of Pennsylvania, to discuss the groundbreaking SONATA trial. This double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial is evaluating the safety and efficacy of sotagliflozin—a dual SGLT1 and SGLT2 inhibitor—in patients with both obstructive and non-obstructive hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Dr. Day details the trial's unique design, its primary endpoint of improving the Kansas City Cardiomyopathy Questionnaire (KCCQ) score, and the fascinating metabolic mechanisms that may allow these drugs to reduce the heart's workload. The conversation also covers the safety protocols for monitoring outflow tract obstruction and the potential pleiotropic benefits of SGLT2 inhibitors beyond traditional heart failure management.
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  Teamwork, Tech, and Tomorrow: Highlights from the 2025 Scientific Sessions 22.12.2025 19m

  Dr. James MacNamara and Dr. Betty Raman recap the latest annual Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy Society (HCMS) meeting held in New Orleans. The discussion emphasizes that HCM care is a "team sport," involving a multidisciplinary coalition of physicians, pharmacists, and advanced practice providers. Key highlights include a deep dive into Professor Hugh Watkins' lecture on the future of gene therapy and the impact of polygenic risk scores on disease penetrance. They also explore the evolving landscape of HCM treatment—comparing the roles of cardiac myosin inhibitors versus surgical interventions—and share promising new data on the safety and efficacy of moderate-intensity exercise for non-obstructive patients.
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  Seeing HCM Clearly: Optimizing Echocardiography for Better Diagnosis 28.02.2025 33m

  How can echocardiographers improve the accuracy and confidence of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy diagnosis? In this episode of In the Thick of It, sonographers Amy Dillenbeck and Brad Mehl explore the essential role of echocardiography in evaluating HCM, sharing best practices for optimizing imaging techniques, Doppler assessment, and contrast use. They discuss the most common challenges in detecting HCM, how to train sonographers to recognize subtle diagnostic clues, and strategies to avoid misinterpretation. Whether you're a seasoned clinician or new to HCM imaging, this episode offers valuable insights into refining echocardiographic evaluation for better patient outcomes.Season 2 of In the Thick of It is brought to you by the HCM Society, is supported by sponsorship from Cytokinetics, and is produced by Earfluence.
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  Understanding NSVT: Risk Assessment and ICD Decisions in HCM 14.02.2025 19m

  How do we determine which hypertrophic cardiomyopathy patients are at the highest risk for sudden cardiac death? In this episode of In the Thick of It, Dr. Steve Ommen and Dr. Mark Link take a deep dive into the role of non-sustained ventricular tachycardia (NSVT) in risk assessment and ICD decision-making. They discuss how age, VT duration, and other clinical factors influence risk stratification, as well as the evolving guidelines on ICD placement. The conversation also covers the latest advancements in device technology and the nuances of selecting the right ICD for each patient. Don’t miss this essential discussion on refining risk assessment and improving outcomes in HCM care.Season 2 of In the Thick of It is brought to you by the HCM Society, is supported by sponsorship from Cytokinetics, and is produced by Earfluence.
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  Imaging Matters: How LGE Guides HCM Management 31.01.2025 23m

  How can late gadolinium enhancement (LGE) on cardiac MRI help predict sudden cardiac death risk in hypertrophic cardiomyopathy? In this episode of In the Thick of It, Dr. Christopher Kramer and Dr. Raymond Chan explore the clinical significance of LGE, from its role in ICD decision-making to the challenges of scar quantification. They discuss how to differentiate true myocardial scar from artifacts, the evolving guidelines on LGE thresholds, and the implications of advanced imaging techniques for HCM management. Tune in for expert insights on integrating LGE into risk assessment and optimizing patient care.Season 2 of In the Thick of It is brought to you by the HCM Society, is supported by sponsorship from Cytokinetics, and is produced by Earfluence.
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  Valve Disease and HCM: Predicting and Preventing Complications 08.01.2025 33m

  How do hypertrophic cardiomyopathy and aortic valve disease intersect, and what makes managing these patients so challenging? In this episode of In the Thick of It, Dr. Srihari Naidu and Dr. Megan Coylewright explore the complexities of aortic valve replacement (TAVR) in patients with HCM. What challenges arise when HCM patients undergo aortic valve replacement, and how can these risks be mitigated? They discuss the risks of left ventricular outflow tract obstruction, strategies to optimize patient outcomes, and the importance of distinguishing HCM from other conditions like amyloidosis. Tune in to learn about the role of advanced imaging, careful patient selection, and multidisciplinary heart teams in managing these overlapping conditions effectively.Season 2 of In the Thick of It is brought to you by the HCM Society, is supported by sponsorship from Cytokinetics, and is produced by Earfluence.
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  Cracking the Code: The Role of Genetics in HCM Diagnosis, Screening, & Treatment 23.12.2024 30m

  How has genetic testing transformed the understanding and care of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy? In this episode of In the Thick of It, Dr. Victoria Parikh and genetic counselor Tia Moscarello from the Stanford Center for Inherited Cardiovascular Disease explore the powerful role of genetics in HCM diagnosis, family screening, and treatment. They discuss groundbreaking advancements like gene therapy, precision medicine, and the evolving understanding of variants of uncertain significance (VUS). Tune in to learn how genetic insights are driving early detection, personalized therapies, and even potential cures for HCM, offering hope for patients and their families.Season 2 of In the Thick of It is brought to you by the HCM Society, is supported by sponsorship from Cytokinetics, and is produced by Earfluence.
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  From Imaging to Intervention: Navigating Apical Aneurysms in HCM 04.12.2024 38m

  What are left ventricular apical aneurysms, and why do they pose such a high risk in hypertrophic cardiomyopathy patients? In this episode of In the Thick of It, Dr. Ethan Rowin and Dr. Jeffrey Geske delve into this rare but critical HCM phenotype. They discuss how to accurately define and detect apical aneurysms, the importance of advanced imaging techniques like contrast echocardiography and cardiac MRI, and the elevated risks of sudden cardiac death and stroke these patients face. This insightful conversation also provides insights into the evolving guidelines for ICD placement and the nuanced role of aneurysm size in risk stratification. Don’t miss this deep dive into one of HCM’s most challenging presentations.Season 2 of In the Thick of It is brought to you by the HCM Society, is supported by sponsorship from Cytokinetics, and is produced by Earfluence.
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  Managing HCM in Pediatric Patients: Why Early Detection Matters 13.11.2024 33m

  Why is early detection of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy in children so critical for effective treatment? In this episode of In the Thick of It, Dr. Matthew Martinez sits down with pediatric cardiologist Dr. Tess Saarel to explore the unique challenges of managing HCM in young patients. They discuss the importance of personalized risk assessments, the role of genetics in tailoring care, and the collaborative efforts needed to improve outcomes in pediatric HCM. Join them for an insightful conversation on the evolving landscape of pediatric cardiology in HCM care.Season 2 of In the Thick of It is brought to you by the HCM Society, is supported by sponsorship from Cytokinetics, and is produced by Earfluence.