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  S8 E10: Stop Faking Fine: What Every Leader Needs to Know About Burnout with Rabih El Khodr 28.07.2026 37min

  In this episode, Bart speaks with Rabih El Khodr, author of The Way Out of Burnout, about what burnout really is, how to recognize it, and what it takes to overcome it. Drawing on research in psychology and neuroscience as well as his own personal experiences, Rabih challenges the conventional view that burnout is the result of working too hard, arguing instead that it often stems from the gap between our authentic selves and the roles we feel we need to play at work. Central to his work is the idea that burnout begins when we start following survival scripts, a concept he pairs with his F.L.O.W. Framework, a practical approach to identifying and changing the patterns that contribute to burnout. The conversation also offers valuable insights for leaders on how to spot burnout in their teams and support them before it becomes overwhelming. As the demands on leaders continue to intensify, Rabih's perspective offers a fresh approach to sustaining high performance without sacrificing oneself in the process. Get a sneak peek at the introduction of Rabih's book here: https://the-burnout-graduates.kit.com/ Watch his TEDx talk "Burnout Begins with a Script" here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il8L9CB8dsQ Show notes: 00:33 Show intro 01:10 Introducing Rabih El Khodr 01:37 The topic of burnout 02:04 What is burnout, and what do we get wrong about it? 02:29 Burnout is caused by "putting on an act" 03:01 Why some hardworking leaders don't burn out 04:05 Where did it all start? 04:09 Starting a career in marketing and communications 04:57 Multiple episodes of burnout throughout his career 05:22 How a lifetime of burnout led to the book 05:47 The realization that changed his perspective on burnout 06:17 The worldview that made burnout worse 06:31 The three unachievable objectives that drive burnout 06:53 The personal experiences that shaped his thesis 08:11 The panic attack in Istanbul 09:39 What are the signs you may be experiencing burnout? 09:52 Losing interest in the activities you once loved 11:39 What causes burnout? 11:58 Introducing survival scripts 12:17 How operating on autopilot leads to burnout 12:38 The cognitive theory behind burnout 13:02 Why burnout begins at the belief level 13:19 The scripts that lead us to burnout 13:23 The Three Cs 13:29 Composure 13:41 Connection 13:53 Control 14:06 The pressure leaders feel to be perfect 15:48 Why do some people burn out while others don't? 16:12 Robin Williams and the danger of unchecked survival scripts 17:34 Why self-awareness is the path out of burnout 18:51 The self-awareness gap: 95% vs. 10–15% 20:09 How can you develop greater self-awareness? 20:36 The PONI framework 20:46 Pause 20:55 Observe 21:01 Name the emotion 21:08 Integrate it 21:12 Applying PONI to a real-world situation 23:41 The survival mode of the modern era 24:11 Why leaders deserve more empathy 25:56 The FLOW framework 26:18 Understanding the flow state 26:41 The four-step FLOW process 26:48 Face your scripts 27:47 Applying FLOW to Rabih's own journey 28:46 Burnout isn't inevitable 29:31 When is it your script, and when is it simply too many hours? 30:31 The problem with many workplace wellness programs 31:37 Can bad bosses cause burnout? 35:02 Why self-awareness is the foundation of emotional intelligence 35:58 Where to learn more about Rabih's work 36:17 Final thoughts 36:36 Outro
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  S8 E9: The New Rules of Leadership Communication with Jennifer Gabriele 14.07.2026 37min

  In this episode of the Inspire Podcast, Bart Egnal welcomes Jennifer Gabriele, Partner and National Leader, Leadership & Team Development at Humance and co-author of The Inspirational Leader. Drawing on insights from her research and work with leaders across Canada, Jennifer explores how leadership has evolved in the wake of COVID and what it takes to manage and inspire teams in today's workplace. She discusses the shift toward shared leadership, the importance of executive presence, and why authenticity matters more than charisma. Jennifer goes on to share practical lessons from her book, including the difference between clarity and certainty, the power of curiosity, cultivating excellence, and why managerial courage is critical for navigating difficult decisions. As a renowned executive coach and facilitator to many of Quebec's leading organizations and companies across Canada, Jennifer brings these ideas to life through real-world stories and actionable insights in a lively conversation between two people passionate about leadership communication. Show notes: 00:32 Show intro 01:10 Welcoming Jennifer 01:43 The Inspirational Leader 01:57 What's the book about and why did you write it? 02:13 What makes a great leader? 03:32 What is Jennifer's story that led her to Humance? 03:51 We brand companies but not humans. Why not? 04:25 Products have far fewer dimensions than a person 04:36 Coca-Cola example 05:41 Her practice before Humance: executive branding 06:00 Why some persuade and others don't 06:36 The move to Humance 08:40 Acquiring Lord Communication 09:21 Focus on managers and executives 11:35 Interviewing leaders for the book: what did you find? 12:48 Themes that emerged from her qualitative research 13:02 Misplaced nostalgia for the "good old days" 13:47 Shared leadership 14:10 The impact of COVID on work culture 14:28 The amount and quality of presence required 14:44 During COVID, managers thought they needed to be 24/7 present 15:32 Bart discusses the decline in deference 16:27 Society has changed, too 16:34 Shortage of labour 17:31 What does it mean to be an inspirational leader? 18:15 You don't need to speak like Barack Obama; you just need to walk the talk 19:28 Getting people to follow you 19:49 Authority doesn't work. People need to believe in you 19:58 Passive-aggressive resistance to directive-style leadership 20:47 Three rules for inspiring leadership 21:23 The importance of having communication goals 25:19 The difference between clarity and certainty 25:43 What is cultivating excellence? 25:58 If you want to be an inspirational leader, you can't be a know-it-all 26:50 Example of the curious leader 27:20 How does curiosity tie to cultivating excellence? 27:54 Setting a standard for what excellence looks like 28:13 Teasing out unrealistic expectations and perfectionism vs. a healthy pursuit of excellence 28:48 Try your best vs. try not to make mistakes 29:11 How can leaders communicate this? 29:38 Don't hide if you don't know something 29:51 Instead of "Why did you do this?" say "How do we fix this?" 30:55 Example of dealing with a high-performing but toxic employee 32:18 Managerial courage 33:33 You lose talent if you're not a courageous leader 34:13 What did you learn from writing The Inspirational Leader? 35:47 Thank-yous 36:10 Show outro
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  S8 E8: Curiosity Over Fear: Leading in the Age of AI with Stéphanie Butt Thibodeau 30.06.2026 34min

  In this episode of the Inspire Podcast, Bart Egnal sits down with Stéphanie Butt Thibodeau, EVP Talent and Corporate Affairs at iA Financial Group, to explore how leaders and organizations can embrace artificial intelligence while keeping people at the center of transformation. She begins by sharing how AI has fundamentally reshaped her own work, helping her rethink long-established habits and increase productivity. She goes on to discuss how iA Financial Group is helping employees navigate the uncertainty surrounding AI by fostering curiosity, experimentation, and a culture of learning. Stéphanie offers practical advice for leaders and professionals at all levels on overcoming anxiety around AI, and embracing the opportunities and excitement it can bring to their work. Through practical examples, personal vulnerability, and insights into iA's organization-wide approach to learning, Stéphanie offers an honest and practical look at what it takes to lead through one of the biggest workplace transformations of our time. A must-listen for anyone navigating the opportunities and challenges of AI. Show Notes: 01:07 Introducing Stéphanie 01:38 Talk about what IA is and what they do 03:26 A bit about her bio and early years 04:21 Her comfort with and enjoyment of change 04:33 Junior Achievement 05:06 Recipe card holder example 05:36 Radio show 06:22 Becoming an accountant? 06:42 Switched to finance and international business 06:48 Her career start 07:31 What led her into HR? 08:31 Getting the job at IA 10:09 What is the IA way of managing people? 10:24 Being a learning organization 10:31 Creating conditions where employees can be their best 11:08 Bart asks for an example of the learning culture 11:21 The VP summit at IA 12:28 AI and its implications 12:47 Started off thinking of it as an operational efficiency thing 13:00 Allowing people to focus on where they can add the most value 13:28 How has AI affected Stephanie's work? 13:51 Changing the way she works — example: preparing presentations 14:20 It's about "unlearning" our ways of working 14:37 Using AI as a chief of staff 14:59 Copilot helps organize her day and key tasks 15:57 Copilot as a personal assistant 16:46 The anxieties associated with the introduction of AI in the organization 16:59 Choose curiosity over fear 17:34 Quote: AI won't replace humans, just humans who don't use AI 18:21 What advice would you give to people about AI? 18:50 It's all about mindset 19:38 How do you demonstrate the learning mindset? 22:24 What's next after adopting the mindset? 22:53 Practice using the tools 24:13 Bart talks about the Anthropic models 25:33 Advice #3 25:50 AI ambassador network 26:14 Hackathons 27:28 Creating the muscle around learning 29:12 Learning is not just an HR thing 30:11 Where will the adoption of AI go in the years to come? 31:30 What are your personal hopes for the future? 32:13 Thank yous and Bart sums up the takeaways 33:23 Outro
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  S8 E 7: What Every Leader needs to Know about Challenging Conversations with Sandra Bekas 16.06.2026 35min

  Every leader knows how to have conversations. Far fewer know how to lead them. In this episode, Bart Egnal speaks with Sandra Bekas, Senior Learning and Development Manager at The Humphrey Group, about why conversations have become one of the most important leadership skills in today's workplace and how THG helps leaders prepare for and excel in these critical communication moments. Drawing on her background in language, rhetoric, cognitive science, and leadership development, Sandra shares insights into why conversations are where influence happens and why those moments have become more complex than ever. Sandra explains why conversations have become more frequent, more candid, and often more challenging as employees increasingly expect leaders to be more present, more transparent, and more accessible than ever before. She discusses the difference between routine and high-stakes conversations, why framing a conversation is critical to creating clarity and trust, and how leaders can guide discussions without becoming overly directive. The conversation also explores practical tools from The Humphrey Group's Art of Conversation program, including the ARC framework (Acknowledge, Refocus, Catalyze) for getting derailed conversations back on track. Whether you're navigating everyday discussions or pivotal leadership moments, this episode offers practical tools for communicating with greater confidence, clarity, and influence. Show Notes: 00:58 Introducing Sandra Bekas 01:41 Introducing the topic of conversations 02:37 What led you to this role? 02:50 Love of language 03:14 Thinking and language and emotion and how that shapes reality 03:37 Moving to Japan 04:14 Japanese different language structure 04:22 Maybe trim/cut this section? 05:52 Moved back to Canada - Canadian publishing 06:15 Majority of career in instructional design... 06:35 Joining HG 07:26 How have conversations reached this inflection point? 08:00 Post-COVID interactions 08:24 In-person and digital accessibility 09:10 Leadership conversations are now more fraught 10:18 COVID level-set us 10:45 Insert: the three A's 12:47 What is the new THG program? 13:14 The Art of Conversation program 13:25 The ability to dynamically influence others 13:49 Routine conversations vs. high-stakes conversations 14:15 Corporate conversations where you want to move the needle 14:43 How you present in the moment 15:01 How to exert your influence 15:42 What is framing and why is it important? 16:01 What is the purpose of this conversation? 16:33 Example: giving a poor performance review 17:44 Example: letting down people who didn't get the promotion 20:01 Summarizing 20:48 Introducing clarity in a meeting 21:22 Bart presents a challenging example of a situation that is hard to summarize 23:36 Getting derailed conversations back on track 24:56 A.R.C. 26:06 A: acknowledge 26:17 R: refocus 26:28 C: catalyzing question 30:16 You cannot script these moments 31:04 You can still be authentic when using these tools! 32:26 Where can people find out more?
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  S8 E6: The Future of Communication Training: Where AI Meets Human Facilitation with Rachel Cossar 02.06.2026 35min

  In this episode of the Inspire Podcast, Bart Egnal speaks with Rachel Cossar, co-founder and CEO of Virtual Sapiens, about how AI is transforming leadership communication training. Drawing on her own journey from the professional world of ballet to expert in non-verbal communication, Rachel explains how her experience in performance and body awareness led to the creation of an AI-powered communication coaching platform. Together, Bart and Rachel explore why AI can be such a powerful complement to facilitated training and executive coaching, especially when it comes to practice, repetition, feedback, and accountability. They discuss their collaboration with The Humphrey Group, including how THG has trained the platform on their own IP and is integrating AI coaching into their programs to help participants build confidence and measure improvement over time. The conversation also examines the limits of AI, why human facilitation remains essential, and how the future of communication training will combine technology with human connection. A fascinating look at the evolving role of AI in helping people become more effective, authentic, and inspiring communicators. Learn more at https://www.virtualsapiens.co/ Show Notes: 00:19 Show intro 00:57 Introducing Rachel and Virtual Sapiens 02:29 Rachel’s background 02:48 Started off in ballet 03:17 Body awareness and presence 04:21 What dance training made her realize about office life 05:04 Starting her new career 05:26 Consulting with the hospitality industry 06:34 The “always on” nature of hospitality 07:23 Silent service 08:36 How this applies to executive and leadership development 09:06 How the COVID disruption changed her work and business 09:28 The idea for Virtual Sapiens 09:49 How do you take training and truly make it muscle memory? 10:55 Rapid adoption of video during COVID changed things 12:57 How did Virtual Sapiens come to be? 13:30 Initial product: a video sidekick coach 15:02 How did people respond to AI feedback? 15:53 People now have overly high expectations of AI 16:53 The complexities of video avatars 17:55 Why Virtual Sapiens was a natural fit for coaching firms 18:31 The asynchronous practice tool 19:26 How Virtual Sapiens fits with The Humphrey Group 19:47 The Humphrey Group’s “ELI” tool 20:13 Learners can see measurable improvements 20:49 Where is AI used best in facilitation and training? 21:44 Designing programs with more longevity 23:59 Scalable and concurrent learning 24:36 Why people find AI to be a safe space to practice 25:03 The fear of being judged 25:41 Why people prefer first reps with AI 26:23 Built-in accountability for learners 27:15 Post-facilitation tools and practice 29:36 Do people use it? 29:50 Why getting people on early is key 31:52 What is the future of Virtual Sapiens? 32:40 More task-specific LLMs 33:29 Where can people learn more
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  S8 E5: The Secret to Creating True Connection with Barry Moline 19.05.2026 44min

  In this episode, Bart Egnal speaks with executive, author, and leadership expert Barry Moline about what it takes to create authentic human connection in an increasingly disconnected world. Drawing on decades of leadership experience, including mediating high-stakes conflicts and leading organizations through crisis, Barry shares the lessons that inspired his book Connect: How to Quickly Collaborate for Success in Business and Life. From rebuilding trust as a young CEO to helping groups find common ground during conflict, Barry explains why connection is the foundation of influence, collaboration, and effective leadership. Bart and Barry explore practical ways leaders can foster stronger relationships at work, including “connection before content,” intentional conversations, and helping teams connect to a shared purpose. They also discuss why authentic connection matters more than ever in the age of AI, remote work, and digital overload. Whether you lead a team or simply want stronger relationships in your work and life, this episode offers actionable insights on how anyone can create true connection. Learn more at barrymoline.com Show Notes: 00:35 Show intro 01:13 Introducing Barry 01:52 Bart introduces the idea of “connection” 02:24 Barry’s story of how he got to this topic 03:33 Early CEO mistakes 03:47 You’re either with me or against me 04:43 Different culture than he was used to 05:42 Key advice from senior staff: build relationships! 08:16 2017 origin story for why he wrote the book 09:02 Working on a utility solution as an outside consultant 10:06 Does anybody get along anywhere? 11:11 Why doesn’t someone write a book about collaboration? 12:23 Isn’t it the CEO’s job to bring everyone together? 13:01 It’s not the facilitator that is important 13:57 Case study: California’s referendum on gay marriage 14:53 Understanding why people voted “no” 16:05 Door-to-door conversations and outreach 19:03 Bart reflects on the campaign 20:17 What is “connection” and what does it mean for leaders? 20:40 Enter connection lightly 21:19 Using icebreakers 22:17 Specific questions that help create connection 23:14 Avoid “How are you?” completely and go to an icebreaker 23:56 How to move beyond to deeper connections 24:09 Where to find a list of workplace-appropriate icebreakers 24:42 Understanding purpose 25:01 Example of a plumber and their importance to society 25:34 Tell employees what they do is important and why 26:27 Remind people why their work is important 27:01 Managers need to be respectful and caring 27:17 Find out what people really want to do in life 27:48 Example of an aspiring filmmaker and communications leader 29:52 Bart reflects on the example 31:10 Bart plays devil’s advocate 31:41 As an employee, how do you protect yourself while opening up about your interests? 33:44 Both sides of the conversation need to be judicious 34:18 Story and example of an engineer 36:47 What is the state of connection today? 37:04 Connection has gotten worse 37:24 Connection before content 37:51 You have to be intentional about connection 38:31 10 out of 10 times it will work 38:56 It will take 3 months of consistent effort 39:22 Example of hurricane response 41:40 Bart summarizes the importance of the topic 42:27 Where can people go to find more? 43:00 Thank-yous 43:13 Outro
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  S8 E4: Embrace the Power of a Growth Mindset with Breann Kelly 05.05.2026 38min

  In this episode of The Inspire Podcast, Bart Egnal speaks with Breann Kelly, Chief Operating Officer and General Counsel at Ewing Morris, about why a growth mindset is more important than ever. Breann reflects on her career journey and the choices that shaped it, sharing how a consistent focus on learning and curiosity guided her path from law into the world of investment management. She discusses what it takes to navigate uncertainty, build confidence in new environments, and lead through moments of real pressure, including guiding the firm through the COVID era and helping evolve the business along the way. A clear through line in the conversation is the power of a growth mindset. Breann shares how a willingness to step into new spaces and learn along the way has shaped her career, and why that mindset continues to matter in a world defined by AI and constant change. Her insights offer a clear lens on how to keep progressing, even when the path ahead is uncertain. 00:23 Standard show intro 01:00 Introducing Breann 01:37 What is Ewing Morris? 02:23 Bart’s disclaimer: I am a client and investor 03:13 Bart introduces the concept of “embracing the growth mindset” 03:47 How it all began for Breann 04:28 Specializing in the asset management space 05:08 BlackRock gig 05:46 Why did you leave the predictable legal profession path? 06:51 Legal profession — live to work rather than work to live 09:10 Moving from BlackRock to Ewing Morris 09:34 Natural ceiling at BlackRock Canada 13:24 Bart observes her ambition for advancement 13:51 What questions should people be asking of their current career path? 14:01 Through-line: passion for learning and growing 14:36 Challenge yourself: if you're not challenging yourself, you're not growing 15:45 The culture shock moving to EM 16:12 New mom + new job 17:21 Imposter syndrome challenge 17:42 You can't learn everyone’s jobs inside out as a manager 18:58 From big support team to team of one 19:04 The buck really stopped with me 19:26 The more you seek reassurance, the more it erodes confidence 21:05 Staying relevant in the age of AI? 21:51 Leading through the COVID era 23:58 The business impact of COVID on the markets 27:34 Fixed vs. growth mindset 28:07 The genesis of the SPV business 28:30 SPVs explained 31:21 Pivoting to wealth management 33:01 Aventine 34:18 Bart observes growth mindset at EM 35:04 Pale, male, and stale 35:41 How to have a growth mindset in turbulent/changing times 35:51 Advice: challenge yourself to always do hard things 36:03 Fostering a growth mindset with her kids 36:27 Always find something hard to do!
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  S8 E3: How to Tap into the Power of Public Speaking with Sebastian Uzcategui 21.04.2026 36min

  Public speaking sits at the heart of leadership, influence, and growth. For Sebastian Uzcategui, founder of SpeakUp Express, it also became the turning point that shaped his career. What began as a way to promote his work in finance quickly evolved into a deeper focus on speaking, as he discovered a passion for being on stage, telling stories, and connecting with an audience. In his conversation with Bart Egnal, Sebastian shares how developing his public speaking skills helped him grow his business, and how that momentum led him to expand into speaking full-time and support others in building their presence on stage. He also shares his tips on managing nerves, building an experience for your audience, using movement and delivery to create a stronger connection, and how these skills can help advance your broader business goals. This is a must-listen for anyone looking to become a more confident, impactful speaker. To learn more visit SpeakUP.Express Show notes: 00:31 Show introduction 01:10 Introducing Sebastian 01:49 Why should people care about public speaking 02:54 How Sebastian got his start 03:18 Early days starting businesses in his teens 03:58 Church speaking opportunity 04:50 Speaking solves the 3 most expensive problems in business 05:16 Trust, authority, connection 06:23 People see 6000 to 10000 ads per day 06:45 Cold call rates below 1 percent 06:55 People trust individuals more than brands 07:07 Purpose over profit 07:41 How things moved from the church to speaking business 09:35 Epiphany moment on the speaking business 12:19 Organic growth is the hardest to replicate 13:25 Things that went wrong that made Sebastian better at speaking 14:37 Tune your audience to you and you to them 16:05 Advice for people who want to get into speaking 16:26 You have to believe your message 17:11 You have to believe your audience needs to hear it 17:27 Slow down 18:05 Believe you are the only one to give that message 18:39 Bart’s pharma executive thought experiment 19:58 What makes you a revolutionary speaker 20:12 Focus on impact over product 21:24 What defines an entrepreneur, speaker, and leader 23:20 Nerves, do they go away and how to deal with them 24:42 You will be crushed by nerves, it is normal 25:18 Just be loud! 27:17 Less is more, quality over quantity 27:46 Top speakers build an experience 28:39 You always create an experience when you speak 30:46 Making people care and remember 31:13 The speaking game 33:09 You master your speaking, everything falls into place 33:29 How to find Sebastian 34:40 Thank yous 34:55 Outro
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  S8E2: From the Headlines What It Takes to Tell Stories That Hit Home with Melanie Marshall 07.04.2026 37min

  In this episode of The Inspire Podcast, Bart Egnal speaks with award-winning journalist and producer Melanie Marshall about what it really takes to tell stories that resonate. Drawing on more than 20 years with the BBC, reporting from conflict zones, covering global crises, and leading editorial teams, Melanie shares practical lessons for leaders who want their messages to truly connect. They explore how to find the human element that brings any story to life, what it takes to stand out in an age of AI generated content, and how to build a clear narrative arc when you are competing for attention. Melanie also shares how leaders can help others develop their storytelling skills and why storytelling has become an essential leadership capability. Through powerful real-world examples from her career, Melanie shows that storytelling is not just a communication technique, but a way to create meaning, build connection, and inspire action. If you want to learn more about Melanie, visit her websites: www.melaniemarshall.com and www.imramamedia.com 00:24 Show Intro 01:03 introducing Melanie 03:03 Her journey to BBC journalism 04:33 Falling in love with journalism 04:57 story of getting placed in Africa instead of entertainment journalism 06:10 Early experiences of going to Africa 06:16 The kindness of other people to teach you 07:46 Coming back to Canada and Tech boom 07:59 Foray into setting up a media company 08:29 Won a venture capital competition 09:03 When it all blew up - I took it hard 09:13 Ended up on "Venture" 09:43 When the venture failed - took it as a personal failure 09:56 Going back to BBC 10:29 Learning to tell stories... 10:49 Firefighting 11:40 Differentiating yourself (including from AI slop) 12:01 Integrity and authenticity on the ground 12:30 How to behave like a human being 12:47 Logging in Brazil story 13:15 Telling abstract stories that reach people 13:51 Finding the human element to bring a story to life 14:33 Really listen to what's happening on the ground 15:02 "bring people there 16:08 Audiences can sense "phoney" 16:34 Next phase of career - from conflict zones 16:52 Those times in life when you have to make a move 17:32 Learning to tell stories in different formats 17:55 Building a narrative arc when you are competing for attention 18:07 Tell the same story in a million ways 20:06 Afgan maternal mortality story + lesson learned 24:13 What is a powerful story? 24:52 3rd phase in her career - Leadership role 27:46 How to teach others to tell stories 27:58 Understand what they are good at 28:27 Journalist Tom's story 30:31 One of Tom Bateman's stories 32:45 What 3 pieces of advice would Melanie give 33:07 start with something you have in common 33:23 Look for details! 34:21 Give people somewhere to go - Hero's Journey 35:09 How to find out more about Melanie 35:42 Thank yous 36:04 Outro
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  S8 E1: The Inner and Outer Work of Inclusion with Carolyn Lawrence & Jennifer Laidlaw 24.03.2026 43min

  Season 8 kicks off with a timely conversation on what it takes to lead in today’s high-pressure environment. Bart sits down with Carolyn Lawrence, founder of ClearPath and former Global Head of DEI at Deloitte, and Jennifer Laidlaw, founder of Cre8 Coaching, to explore the growing pressure leaders are facing today, particularly those from diverse backgrounds. As expectations rise and roles continue to expand, many leaders are feeling the weight of increased responsibility and scrutiny, often without clear support on how to navigate it. Carolyn shares what she’s learned from years of working inside organizations on how to embed inclusion into the way businesses actually operate, not just as programs, but as systems that drive performance. Jennifer brings the complementary perspective of the “inner game,” helping leaders understand how their state of mind shapes how they show up, make decisions, and sustain energy over time. Together, they offer a practical and honest look at how to navigate these pressures, with clear ideas leaders can apply right away to better support themselves, their teams, and the systems they’re part of. Show Notes 00:23 Show intro 01:01 Welcoming Carolyn and Jennifer 02:01 The idea for this episode 03:22 How Jennifer and Carolyn partnered 03:57 Carolyn’s passion for equity and inclusion 04:12 Women of Influence organization 04:47 Leading Deloitte’s DEI efforts 05:18 Systematizing DEI 05:48 Avoiding backlash 07:04 Jennifer’s background 07:35 The 30% Club in Canada 08:01 The inner game 08:49 How Carolyn and Jennifer work together 09:13 Combining the inner and systemic revolution 09:59 Responding to the shift away from DEI 10:45 Why many DEI programs faltered 12:15 Getting the tactics wrong 13:26 What leaders are experiencing today 17:14 The pressure of rising to the top 17:48 Example of an executive navigating these challenges 20:04 Addressing inclusion challenges in a constructive way 22:20 Advice for leaders feeling this pressure 23:23 Mindfulness 25:32 How mindfulness helps 26:24 Reality vs the stories we tell ourselves 26:57 Staying grounded in high-pressure environments 28:11 Returning to the present moment 29:47 Working on yourself vs the system 30:21 Three ways to improve organizational systems 31:13 Ask 31:54 Articulate 33:51 Accountability 34:11 Defining visible metrics 34:52 Measuring inclusion 37:22 What success looks like personally 38:09 Getting into flow 40:41 Final advice 42:23 Thank yous 42:42 Outro
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  S7 E16: The Power of Differentiation with Barry LaBov 25.11.2025 32min

  In this episode of The Inspire Podcast, Bart speaks with Barry LaBov—CEO, founder, author, and former rock musician and producer—about his new book The Power of Differentiation. Barry explains why differentiation is critical for brands, businesses, and leaders, and how clarity around what makes you unique is essential in today’s crowded marketplace He shares stories from his early days in the music industry and his unexpected transition into marketing, highlighting how great bands, great companies, and great leaders all know what makes them distinctively unique, and they double down on it. Barry also walks through his approach to finding and naming your differentiators, and why leaders must launch and celebrate them by engaging the people who bring them to life. Whether you want your business to stand out or you’re looking to elevate your own leadership brand, Barry’s insights offer practical guidance for differentiating in an increasingly crowded marketplace. Shote Notes: 00:22 Show intro 00:56 Introducing Barry 02:05 What is differentiation? 02:53 It's so important today to have authenticity 03:15 Harley Davidson's differentiation 03:58 Elon Musk 04:42 Bart talks about differentiating brands 04:59 Music and unique artists 06:07 Barry's early days in a band and as a producer 06:58 Wrote songs for famous performers 07:19 Band members were all doing something unique 07:47 From music to marketing 09:49 Someone asked him to take on a marketing role – and he declined!  10:18 We trust YOU  10:49 Writing a book 11:09 Why write the book on differentiation? 11:48 How the COVID great resignation changed his thinking 12:11 Hearts, minds and market share 12:46 How can people discover their unique proposition? 13:20 Talk to humans about the brand 14:21 Observing the biz to see what is unique 14:53 Example of a unique process in a business 15:50 Jam session with the client 16:07 Taking the differentiators and executing in marketing and business 16:21 The Launch 16:26 Launch to the most important people first  16:58 You're often too close to your own work to see the differentiators 17:47 How to do this personally 19:08 These are things I do well — but it's not for everyone!  20:14 Celebrating your differentiators 24:03 Morale slipping — leaders need to reframe 25:26 How to maintain enthusiasm for your core strengths 25:57 Don't wait for the holiday party — tell them every day  26:28 Don't talk about profit unless you are sharing it 27:03 Cheerleading vs authentic celebration 28:41 Music acts that are unique today 30:53 Where can people get more 31:28 Thank-yous and outro
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  S7 E15: If You Want to Go Far, Go Together with Bernard Letendre 06.11.2025 35min

  Exciting news: The Humphrey Group has been acquired by Humance! In this special episode of The Inspire Podcast, Bart Egnal speaks with Bernard Letendre, Managing Partner, Ontario and Western Canada at Humance, about the story behind this decision and the journey that led him there. Bernard shares his remarkable career path from practicing law to leading major divisions in Canada’s financial services industry, to joining Humance and becoming the architect behind its acquisition of The Humphrey Group. Along the way, he reflects on lessons learned about taking risks, creating opportunities rather than waiting for them, and pursuing growth with purpose. He also draws powerful parallels between leadership and his lifelong practice of judo, where discipline, humility, and mutual benefit are essential to success. Bart and Bernard close with an inside look at how the merger came to be after a year of conversation and a shared vision for growth, and how it will set both organizations up to continue serving their clients in existing and new ways. Whether you’re navigating your own career transitions or leading through change, this conversation offers powerful insights on creating your own opportunities, embracing non-linear growth, and finding strength in partnership. Show Notes: 00:14 Show intro 00:48 Welcoming Bernard 01:14 Special announcement 02:05 "Humance" meaning 02:29 Judo and its importance 04:40 How Bernard began his career 05:01 Law and the law of electronic surveillance 05:34 Wife: "law made you less fun to be around" 06:47 Joined IG 07:06 Taking a 100% commission job 07:53 Making cold-calls to the bar phonebook 08:35 Finding opportunities in the new job 08:40 Officer training in the military 09:05 Good at management 10:19 Changing career paths regularly 10:36 Switching to Standard Life 11:21 Standard life 12:05 2009 Financial crisis - lost job 12:14 Landing at Manulife 12:36 Should you take a step down in your career? 13:01 Building a biz plan for private wealth at Manulife 13:44 Manulife tapped him to run his business plan 14:54 Advice for people who are ambitious with their careers 15:08 Don't wait for opportunity, come up with ways of creating value 15:36 Congrats, you have employment now figure out your job 16:50 How the Pandemic transformed his life 17:53 cert in organizational coaching 20:59 Why he made the leap to Humance 22:38 Long-term thinking 22:45 Doing is big "act" before it was too late 24:16 Advice: A career does not have to be linear 25:13 Not having a rigid mind 25:36 The final act: Humance 27:05 His Biz plan for expanding Humance outside the Quebec market 28:48 How Bernard reached out to Bart 31:17 Mutual benefit in Judo 33:41 Thank yous and wrap up 34:02 Outro
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  S7 E14: Developing Foundational Leadership with Robert Buckingham 01.10.2025 47min

  What does it really take to build great leaders? In this episode of the Inspire Podcast, Bart Egnal sits down with Rob Buckingham, Executive VP at Quest Window Systems Inc and retired Canadian Forces Captain, to unpack how leadership is intentionally developed in both the military and business. Rob shares powerful lessons from his time in uniform when he was first exposed to foundational leadership and how the Canadian Forces empowers junior leaders to step up from day one. He explains how that experience taught him the value of feedback, the importance of resilience under pressure, and why empowering people early creates lasting strength in any organization. He then reveals how those same principles shaped his corporate career and what he learned as a management consultant and, more recently, in his current role as Executive VP of a global manufacturing company. He closes by sharing perspectives from his work with Treble Victor, an organization that matches veterans with civilian organizations, and shows why companies that tap into military leadership talent gain a powerful edge. If you’ve ever wondered what foundational leadership looks like in practice and how you can cultivate it in your own organization, this conversation is for you.   Show Notes 00:15 Show intro 00:52 Introducing Robert Buckingham 03:12 What is foundational leadership and why is it important? 03:18 Fostering a leadership culture  03:42 Empower junior leaders 04:07 What orgs get right and wrong about leadership development 04:53 Military officers have responsibility right away 06:12 Give junior leaders tools to lead early on  07:00 Why did you enlist in the army 09:42 What is Mission-command 10:28 Military gets planning and execution of tasks 12:57 Forecast Plan Control Review 13:29 Resilience 13:33 Key values: loyalty, integrity, mission first 13:49 Can you teach these leadership traits or are they innate? 15:09 High fallout rate in the military 18:35 Continuous training 19:41 Instantaneous coaching feedback 20:06 Growing a culture of feedback 20:18 What's the toughest feedback you got in your career? 21:19 Like sports team culture 21:35 The worst thing is complacency 24:04 One of my proudest achievements in the military 24:43 Transitioning from military to the corporate world, was it a shock? 25:59 Translating to civilian speak 28:01 What maps and what doesn't? 29:11 Put things in place, succeeded! 30:47 Span of control 32:35 Corporate environment never plan 33:29 50 50 leadership vs tasks 34:00 Joined Quest 35:01 Set your team up with a structure where information flows up and down 36:15 How to know how an org is doing with leadership? 36:49 Does the front line mission line up with the org's mission? 38:18 The Back Brief  39:55 Treble Victor 45:38 Thank yous 46:00 Outro  
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  S7 E13: How Communication Shapes Success at Every Level with Janet Drysdale 16.09.2025 33min

  In this episode, Bart sits down with Janet Drysdale, Interim Chief Commercial Officer at CN, to explore her career journey through progressively senior roles and how communication has been the key differentiator at every level. Janet reflects on the different skills required at each step of a career, and how even today, in a new senior role, it’s critical that she continues to hone her ability to influence, listen, and inspire. She shares how the demands of communication shift as your career grows. Early in your career, you need the courage to share your opinion, as you advance, you need to learn to say “no” quickly and decisively. At more senior levels, it becomes essential to translate complexity into clarity, become an exceptional listener, and empower others to speak up and share their voice. Whether you’re just starting out or leading at the highest level, this conversation weaves together Janet's insights and experiences to reveal the communication skills that matter most and how they can fuel your success. Show Notes: 00:12 Show intro 00:47 Introducing Janet 02:14 Why communication has been important for Janet's career 03:11 Communication is the single most important skill 03:54 Communication in the early years of Janet's career 05:01 Early career very FACT-focused 05:23 But what do you think about the facts 06:39 Was there a moment when she had to step up and lead 06:49 Nobody could argue with facts but suggesting solutions was scary 07:57 The beginning of real conversation is when you put yourself out there and get feedback 08:51 Investor relations role 10:59 Communication helps build relationships 12:54 Influencing the C-suite level 13:03 The way you communicate matters 13:48 Tailoring communication to the room 14:41 Bart recalls a time when they worked together 16:51 Sometimes you need the facts not the story from people 19:31 Understanding the why and how they're telling the story 20:16 Helping others find their communication styles 21:22 Bart asks her for a story of helping a team member 22:44 People in the room who want to talk but are too shy 23:56 Reinforce the behavior 24:18 The importance of listening 26:42 The finance team also needs to learn to communicate 27:33 It doesn't matter what your role is communication is key 27:56 The downside of a "maybe" 28:24 If you're going to have to say "no" don't string it out with "maybe" 29:48 Communication is also to build trust and respect 30:24 What skills is Janet still working on 31:27 Thank Yous 31:58 Show outro
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  S7 E12: How to Create Real Buy-In with Your Employees with Dave Garrison 02.09.2025 38min

  In this episode, Bart speaks with Dave Garrison, Founder and Chief Navigating Officer of Garrison Growth, about his new book The Buy-In Advantage. They explore why employee engagement is at a decade low, the forces driving disengagement, and why it’s critical for leaders to overcome these challenges to build a fully committed workforce. Dave shares practical, no-cost strategies leaders can use to foster authentic buy-in—shifting from “telling” to “asking,” recognizing employees as human beings (not just human doings), and connecting people’s work to purpose and growth. A timely and valuable conversation for leaders at all levels, offering concrete tools to inspire and engage teams in an era when it matters more than ever. Get your copy of The Buy-In Advantage here: https://buyinbook.com/ 00:37 Show intro 01:14 Welcoming Dave Garrison 01:51 What is a Chief Navigating Officer? 03:14 Dave's career background 04:27 The story of seeing a shaman 05:54 Removing artificial constraints 06:48 Walking out of the corporate world into CNO 07:22 What it was like to leave the job he had 07:53 The business was funded on credit card debt 08:18 How the venture has evolved in the last 10 years 09:27 About his new book 10:59 Creating engagement 11:06 Game-changing orgs always have 3 elements 11:38 How do leaders build an environment for engagement? 12:52 What is the buy-in crisis? And where does it come from? 13:49 Gen Z values – money less important, impact with like-minded people 14:59 What's driving the buy-in crisis 16:17 Two-thirds don’t care about the company 16:32 The costs of lack of engagement 16:53 Churn is a waste of time and resources 17:49 Are companies just grinning and bearing it with turnover? 19:01 How do great leaders foster buy-in 19:27 Give up on the bully or bribe approach 20:15 Why can’t people be as enthusiastic about jobs as they are about sports? 20:50 The way the boss sees things is only one way 21:02 Collective genius 21:22 Human beings, not human doings 22:10 Sense of purpose 22:34 Challenges and opportunities to learn and grow 22:57 Bart summarizes main points so far 23:35 Warning signs that buy-in is not occurring 26:21 What lets you know this is a great idea? 26:48 Don’t share your idea — share the problem 27:36 Example of Jeff Edison’s leadership 30:16 Ask questions instead of providing answers 32:08 Example of older leaders stuck in ‘answer mode’ 34:05 Teachers with right answers 34:52 Where are we with workforce engagement? 35:21 We’re at a decade-low in engagement 36:23 Where to find The Buy-In Advantage 37:15 Thank Yous 37:28 Outro
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  S7 E11: Build Your Presence with Intention: Lessons from a Theatre Professor with Noah Drew 19.08.2025 44min

  In this episode, Bart speaks with longtime THG consultant and Professor of Voice, Acting, and Performance Research at Concordia University, Noah Drew, about the deep connection between presence, performance, and leadership. Noah shares how his journey through theatre and voice work shaped his understanding of what presence really means, and why it matters for both actors and leaders. Bridging his work in theatre and leadership development, Noah introduces the Presence Triangle. He breaks down the three points of the triangle: the inner experience of the speaker, the outer awareness of the audience, and the material at hand, and explains why great communicators stay attuned to all three. Along the way, he offers practical ways to assess your own presence, strengthen it, and show up more fully and authentically in the moments that matter. Whether you're preparing for a high-stakes presentation or simply want to be more intentional in everyday interactions, this conversation will help you lead with greater clarity, connection, and presence. For those who want to explore the ideas Noah mentions in more depth, you can read writings from the Fitzmaurice Institute here: https://www.fitzmauriceinstitute.org/writings 00:32 Show Intro 01:12 Introducing Noah Drew 02:26 Why should people in the government and corps care about theatre training? 02:44 Theatre is an artform that is about commanding people's attention 03:47 What theatre experiences stood out to you? 03:59 Joining a youth theatre company 05:30 Did you know that you wanted to pursue theatre? 06:57 Professional clowning? 07:51 Bart asks: what is "presence"? 08:21 Presence has 2 sides 09:10 Defining presence 10:03 What does it mean to inspire others? 10:24 That's what great leaders do 12:25 Stagecraft makes people want to pay attention 14:26 How do actors learn to develop presence? The Presence Triangle 17:34 Continuous electric dance of attention 21:02 "What you resist, persists" 21:34 Bart brings it back to the realities of leaders and managers 22:45 If you're not in the habit, the pressure will make it even harder 25:11 The pressure that comes from the attention of others 25:28 Advice to people to be ready when the attention is on them 26:12 Bart gets an assessment and coaching! 28:34 How can people self-assess their Presence Triangle? 30:58 How to develop your weakest point of the Presence Triangle 31:21 How to develop inner awareness 33:44 Pushing yourself out of your comfort zone 35:51 Early childhood experiences often shape these challenges 36:34 Belief in the material 37:21 The time spent to shape your material is worth it 38:32 Bart shares his experiences as a speechwriter 40:24 It's a "practice" of presence 42:11 How can people follow up on these ideas? 42:28 Fitzmaurice Institute 42:54 Saul Kotzubei 43:29 Thank Yous 43:50 Show Outro
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  S7 E10: From Darkness to Leadership: An Entrepreneur's Lessons with Phil Neil 05.08.2025 38min

  In this episode, Bart speaks with entrepreneur Phil Neil, who shares his extraordinary story of building his company from $200K in revenue to $70 million and the gauntlet of challenges he faced along the way. Phil opens up about the painful realities behind the headlines: a $5M scam during the pandemic, a devastating warehouse fire, and the collapse of major contracts. He reflects on what he calls the “Shadow of Entrepreneurship™”, feelings of uncertainty, fear and unworthiness that trigger emotional reactivity, and undermine decision quality. It’s a shadow that affects not only entrepreneurs but leaders at every level. Phil discusses how this struggle can impact mental health and derail even the most promising careers and shares why every entrepreneur and leader needs to be equipped to face it. He also introduces the solution he's termed the Courage Compass™. A framework he’s developed to help leaders better understand themselves, their decision-making patterns, manage uncertainty, and navigate through the shadow to thrive. Visit Phil's website to learn more: http://philneil.com/ Check out his company, The Courage Compass: http://courage-compass.com/ And connect with him on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philippe-neil/ Show Notes: 00:30 Introducing Phil 01:03 Hero journey of self-discovery 02:17 The failure crossroad 04:21 From masks to natural gloves 06:19 The painful experiences towards success 07:58 Scam/conflict 08:50 Founder conflict emerged 09:57 Story 11:12 Victim of organized crime 12:17 The fire 13:34 The awakening 15:22 Launched a company to change culture of entrepreneurship 16:17 The Courage Compass Company 16:43 98% of founders fail on their first biz 17:20 Mental health issues are high in founders 17:37 Bart talks about his experiences with starting businesses 18:35 How to know if your self-management is not optimal 20:09 Uncertainty  21:12 Bart talks about the increasing uncertainty of the market 22:08 The Courage Compass 23:34 Shifting from hope to courage 23:57 Connecting to intuition 24:42 The problem with data thinking 26:25 Courage comfort zone 28:07 How can people find out more and connect with Phil 33:09 Thank yous 35:25 Outro
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  S7 E9: How to Become a People-Centric Leader with Vanessa Bragg 22.07.2025 31min

  In this episode of The Inspire Podcast, Bart welcomes Vanessa Bragg, Leadership Coach and consultant at The Humphrey Group to talk about why and how you should be a people centric leader. Vanessa shares the story of her own career transformation and the profound impact that people-focused leadership has had on her growth. She unpacks what it means to be a people-centric leader, why this mindset is more essential than ever, and how you can begin to model this approach in your own leadership. From shifting your style from telling to coaching, to showing up with authentic presence and using language that draws out the best in others, Vanessa offers both heartfelt insights and practical strategies. Her stories, examples, and actionable tools will inspire you to connect more deeply with your team, foster meaningful engagement, and drive results through human-centered leadership. Show Notes 00:25 Show intro 00:59 Introducing Vanessa Bragg 01:14 Bart runs through Vanessa's background 01:55 Introducing people-centric leadership 02:36 How Vanessa started her career 03:58 Most rapid growth with that leader  04:58 She wasn't a problem solver, she always asked me what I recommended  05:45 How did that people-centricity shape your own philosophy? 06:39 She never was the answer person  08:17 What are the challenges with people-centred approach 09:52 Even though I'm a coach I have my eye on strategy  10:33 Top-down vs people-centric leadership differences 11:00 Leaders who are lower in self-awareness are harder to shift 12:45 How much does the org affect the culture? 13:04 It has to come from the top 13:36 Buy-in from execs freed up the other leaders 14:24 In all the orgs I worked in the CSuite makes a huge difference to culture  15:27 How can leaders be present? 16:55 Connection before content 18:19 Use the language of leadership 21:06 Example of a leader who was using the wrong language 22:17 She wasn't an unkind person  23:21 Raise that self-awareness  23:39 Intent and impact 24:13 Being people-focused does not mean losing track of business goals 24:42 What does it mean to "Communicate like a Coach"? 30:09 Where can people find out more? 30:47 Outro
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  S7 E8: What it Takes to Build an Exceptional Executive Team with Denis Ricard 08.07.2025 37min

  In this episode of The Inspire Podcast, Bart speaks with Denis Ricard, CEO of iA Financial Group, about what it takes to cultivate a strong, cohesive executive team. Denis shares insights from his remarkable career journey within iA, from his early roles to the C-suite, and the leadership lessons that shaped his approach to building high-performing senior teams. He reflects on the guidance he offers to his senior leadership team, the importance of alignment at the executive level, and the culture he has intentionally fostered at iA. Through practical examples and candid reflection, Denis offers a clear perspective on the leadership principles that support long-term organizational success. Whether you're a CEO, team lead, or aspiring leader, this episode is packed with actionable takeaways on team cohesion, leadership development, and organizational culture. A must-listen for anyone looking to elevate their leadership impact. Show Notes: 00:13 Show intro 00:49 Introducing Denis 02:08 What do you look for in senior leaders? 02:35 Surround yourself with A+ players 03:24 Denis' career path 05:03 Key moment when he decided his big goal 05:24 What changed his goal? 06:16 Switch to marketing to learn the business better 06:37 The next move would be on purpose! 07:00 The CEO asked him, ever thought about taking my job? 07:48 When I became CEO, I was ready 08:38 Depth in executives 09:35 It's not about being an expert, but having a breadth of knowledge 10:15 Story about moving an exec out of their comfort zone 11:11 The best way to grow 12:19 We could leave people where they are. But it would not build capacity 13:40 Taught at Uni to become a better communicator 16:11 Simplifying the message 17:13 Figure out what you love and go for it 18:40 Essential leadership communication qualities 18:49 Let's make the problems visible 18:57 Energy into building trust 19:29 How do you build trust? 19:56 Recognize and thank an executive when they bring a problem 21:04 How to approach giving feedback 21:48 Example of feedback that he got 23:59 It's all about the greater good 25:34 If you work for the organization, you'll get noticed 26:08 An example of an executive hire that didn't fit the culture 28:12 Advice on cultivating a culture 28:54 Team building 29:48 Start with a group of like-minded people 31:03 How do you communicate principles to a large company 31:10 Be accessible 31:23 Virtual culture challenge 33:39 Leading by example 33:59 What's next for your team? 34:25 Foster a growth mindset 35:35 Thank yous
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  S7 E7: Lessons for Leaders from Hollywood with Karina Michel 24.06.2025 37min

  In this episode, Bart speaks with Karina Michel, an accomplished actor, director, and producer, about the powerful lessons leaders can learn from the creative world. Karina shares insights drawn from her experience across film and television, exploring what leadership can gain from the disciplines of acting, directing, and producing. She reveals surprising parallels between performance and leadership, showing how both require presence, authenticity, and vision. From fully embodying a role as an actor, to building cohesive teams as a director, to managing complex projects as a producer, Karina draws on a wealth of experience and breaks down how creative approaches can make you a more effective and inspirational leader. Connect with Karina: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/karinamichelofficial/# IMDb: imdb.com/name/nm2405454/ Listen to her podcast Coffee with Karina on: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5k60JMmYHpW6ri7QVPCPVI Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coffee-with-karina/id1529519382 Show notes: 00:20 Show Intro 00:57 Introducing Karina 02:03 Karina's Background 03:10 What’s It Like Auditioning as an Actor? 06:45 What Is a Producer in Film? 07:57 What Is a Creative Producer? 09:12 Moving to Directing 11:51 What Can Leaders Learn from the Film Business? 12:38 Take Risks 13:20 Having Strength of Conviction 14:23 What Leaders Can Learn from Actors 14:37 Preparation 16:48 How Do You Prepare to Play “Me”? 17:07 Get Clear on Your Ideas and Direction 18:39 Empathy 20:28 Don’t Judge the Character—or Yourself 22:05 Lessons from Directing 22:35 Team Effort and Collaboration Matter 23:57 How to Handle Underperforming Team Members 26:50 What Can Leaders Learn from a Producer? 27:09 Have a Vision—and Follow Through 28:00 What Makes a Good Pitch? 30:23 Meet the Basic Standard of a Pitch 31:30 What Separates a Great Pitch? 31:46 The Team Is Key 34:04 Where to Find Karina 34:53 Wrap-Up 35:46 Thank Yous 36:12 Outro