The New Arab Voice
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A podcast from The New Arab, a leading English-language website based in London covering the Middle East, North Africa, Asia, and Arab and Muslim affairs around the world, bringing you news, culture, and lifestyle from these regions and beyond. Mirroring our diverse coverage, the podcast combines storytelling and news analysis to bring our listeners something familiar yet new.
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A Growing Gulf Between Nations: Saudi Arabia and the UAE struggle during the war on Iran 10.06.2026 43minThe Gulf has been a key target for Iranian missiles and drones. Iran has struck infrastructure, oil and gas installations, civilian areas, and US military bases. These attacks have struck at the heart of the Gulf's image as a safe and stable environment. While the region deals with Iranian attacks, Saudi Arabia and the UAE have been working out how to deal with each other. The Saudi-Emirati rivialry has been rumbling on for a number of years now, and during this conflict, they both have conflicting ideas about how to deal with Iran, who they should be allied with, and how they can protect their economies. This week, how have the Saudi and Emirati economies been impacted by the war? Why did the UAE leave OPEC? And what do these two competing regional powers what in Iran? Joining us to discuss the UAE and how it has been impacted by the war is Giorgio Cafiero (@GiorgioCafiero), CEO of Gulf State Analytics (@GulfStateAnalyt), and adjunct assistant professor at Georgetown University (@Georgetown). And to guide us through Saudi Arabia, we speak with Kristian Coates Ulrichsen (@Dr_Ulrichsen), Fellow for the Middle East at Rice University's Baker Institute for Public Policy (@BakerInstitute). This podcast is written and produced by Hugo Goodridge (@hugogoodridge). Theme music by Omar al-Fil with additional music from Audio Network. To get in touch with the producers, follow then tweet us at @TNAPodcasts or email podcast@newarab.com
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The Iranian Shadow Over Gaza’s Future: Hamas votes for a new leader as the ceasefire continues to fail 22.05.2026 47minAs the region scrambles to secure a ceasefire in Iran, the ceasefire in Gaza looks more unstable by the day. Israel continues to bomb the besieged enclave, killing civilans and adding to the misery that the people of Gaza have had to endure for over two years now. While the people of Gaza suffer, Hamas have been choosing a new leader. Many of its leadership were killed during the war and the group needs a new leader to guide it into the future. This week, we look at the state of the ceasefire in Gaza, the bodies that were created as part of the ceasefire, the humanitarian crisis. Also, we examine the frontrunners in race to be the new leader of Hamas, their differences, and what the future holds for Hamas in light of the ongoing war in Iran. Joining us to look at the ceasefire deal we're joined by Yousef Munayyer, Head of the Palestine Israel Program at Arab Center Washington, DC (@ArabCenterDC). And to talk us through the race to be Hamas' new leader, we speak with Jaser AbuMoussa, Senior fellow at the Middle East Institute (@MiddleEastInst) in, Washington, DC, and senior policy advisor at the International Peace Institute in New York. You can read Jaser's Substack here. This podcast is written and produced by Hugo Goodridge (@hugogoodridge). Theme music by Omar al-Fil with additional music from Audio Network. To get in touch with the producers, follow then tweet us at @TNAPodcasts or email podcast@newarab.com
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Guilty by Association Agreement: Settler violence rises in the West Bank as the EU examines its relationship with Israel 02.05.2026 46minAs global attention is held by the US, Iran, and the Strait of Hormuz, in the West Bank, Israeli settlers are running wild and spreading terror. Settler violence has been a problem for years, but recently it has ramped up, with attacks happening daily. On top of this the Netanyahu government is approving more settlements in West Bank and implementing more legal writs to force Palestinians from their land. In April, a handful of EU states decided to speak out and called for the suspension of the EU-Israel Association Agreement, on the grounds that Israel was not upholding human rights. This week, we look at the rising level of settler violence in the West Bank, the approval of new settlements, the ties between Israel and the EU, and if the tide is turning against Israel at the EU. To discuss the violence in the West Bank, we speak with Yara Asi (@Yara_M_Asi), Assistant Professor of Global Health Management and Informatics at the University of Central Florida, and co-director of the Palestine Program for Health and Human Rights, and author of How War Kills: The Overlooked Threats to Our Health And to guide us through the workings of the EU's workings with Israel, we speak with Isabel Ruck (@isabel_ruck), Head of Research and Scientific Corporation at the Arab Center for Research and Policy Studies in Paris (@CarepParis). This podcast is written and produced by Hugo Goodridge (@hugogoodridge). Theme music by Omar al-Fil with additional music from Audio Network. To get in touch with the producers, follow then tweet us at @TNAPodcasts or email podcast@newarab.com
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Israel's Deadly Ceasefire in Lebanon: The continuing war against Hezbollah and the failure of disarmament 09.04.2026 37minAfter four week of war, a ceasefire between Iran and the US has been reached. While the details remain hazy, it is a welcome development, and the region has taken a step back from the edge. But in Lebanon, the bombing continues. The ceasefire deal would not include the war in Lebanon, where Israel would be free to continue its war against Hezbollah. This week, what does Israel want in Lebanon? Can Hezbollah be disarmed? And what can the Lebanese government do to bring peace and stability to its lands? Joining us to discuss Hezbollah and the options for the Lebanese government is Yezid Sayigh (@SayighYezid), Senior fellow at the Malcolm H Kerr Carnegie Middle East Center in Beirut (@CarnegieMEC). And to give us the view from Israel, we speak with Mairav Zonszein (@MairavZ), Senior Analyst on Israel for International Crisis Group (@CrisisGroup) and a contributing opinion writer for The New York Times (@nytimes). This podcast is written and produced by Hugo Goodridge (@hugogoodridge). Theme music by Omar al-Fil with additional music from Audio Network. To get in touch with the producers, follow then tweet us at @TNAPodcasts or email podcast@newarab.com
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Strait into Trouble: The war in Iran continues as the Gulf gets dragged in deeper 20.03.2026 37minThe US and Israel continue to launch daily airstrikes against Iran. As a new Supreme Leader was elected, the country's leadership continues to be targeted and killed. And as Israeli and US planes drop bomb, Iran is flinging missiles across the region, targeting Israel and the Gulf. This week on The New Arab Voice podcast, we look at if the US objectives and reasoning for the war, what they are targeting in Iran, and what successes they been having, and what they have not been hitting. Also, we look at the Gulf, who have been on the dangerous end of Iranian missiles. Why is Iran targeting the Gulf? How does the Gulf feel about being dragged into this war? What impact do the attack in the Strait of Hormuz have on the Gulf? And what does the Gulf what from this war. To discuss the US and Israeli strike, we speak with Annika Ganzeveld, Middle East Portfolio Manager at the Critical Threats Project (@criticalthreats). And to explain what's happening with the Gulf, we speak with Dr. Andreas Krieg (@andreas_krieg), Associate Professor at King's College London (@KingsCollegeLon), at the School of Security Studies. This podcast is written and produced by Hugo Goodridge (@hugogoodridge). Theme music by Omar al-Fil with additional music from Audio Network. To get in touch with the producers, follow then tweet us at @TNAPodcasts or email podcast@newarab.com
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War Trumps Khamenei: The death of Ayatollah Khamenei and the opposition inside and outside Iran 04.03.2026 46minIran has changed forever. The US and Israel are firing missiles and dropping bombs on targets across Iran. Senior figures from the regime and the IRGC are being assassinated. Ayatollah Khamenei was killed on the first day of the war. The future of Iran is still being written. On this week's episode of The New Arab Voice podcast, we look at recent events in Iran, and ask what are the ambitions of US President Donald Trump and the US military. We also look at the opposition inside and outside the country, and who might be able to step up and lead Iran in the future. We're joined by Charles W. Dunne, non-resident fellow at the Arab Center Washington D.C and Adjunct Professor at the Elliott School of International Affairs at the George Washington University. And Alex Vatanka, Senior Fellow at the Middle East Institute and author of The Battle of the Ayatollahs in Iran: The United States, Foreign Policy and Political Rivalry since 1979. This podcast is written and produced by Hugo Goodridge (@hugogoodridge). Theme music by Omar al-Fil with additional music from Audio Network. To get in touch with the producers, follow then tweet us at @TNAPodcasts or email podcast@newarab.com
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Bending the Knee to Damascus: The Syrian Democratic Forces agree to integrate into the Syrian state 11.02.2026 41minJust over a year from the start of the new government in Syria, violence returned to Aleppo. In January, the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) and the forces of the interim Syrian government clashed in the Aleppo areas of Sheikh Maqsoud and Ashrafiyah. The SDF came off worse and were forced to retreat back to the northeast; and such was the scale of the defeat, they were forced into signing a deal that will see the SDF integrated into the Syrian army. For almost a year, the SDF has been resisting such a deal. This week, we look at the fighting in Aleppo, the deal that has been signed, and why, the status of the SDF and Syria's Kurds, and what these event mean for the Syria that President al-Sharaa is building. We're joined by Dr. Rahaf Aldoughli (@r_aldoughli), senior editor at Cogent Social Sciences and fellow at the Arab Reform Initiative (@ArabReform_ARI), and also, Joseph Daher (@JosephDaher19), a Syrian academic and specialist on the political economy of the Middle East. This podcast is written and produced by Hugo Goodridge (@hugogoodridge). Theme music by Omar al-Fil with additional music from Audio Network. To get in touch with the producers, follow then tweet us at @TNAPodcasts or email podcast@newarab.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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New Year, New Yemen?: The STC's offensive and the change in the balance of power 22.01.2026 43minAs 2025 was coming to a close, the Southern Transitional Council (STC) in Yemen decided they had one last roll of the dice to make. At the start of December, the STC launched a military operation to seize the eastern governorates of Yemen. They quickly swept across the region, with arms supplied by the UAE. It was a great success, until the Yemeni government, backed by Saudi Arabia, fought back. This week on The New Arab Voice podcast, we look at the STC's offensive in the east of Yemen, the fight back by the Yemeni government, and the impact that these operations have had on the balance of power in Yemen.On this episode, we're joined by Yasmeen al-Eryani, the Executive Director for Knowledge Production at the Sana’a Center for Strategic Studies (@SanaaCenter), and Baraa Shiban (@BShtwtr), researcher and political analyst on Yemen and the Gulf, and an Associate Fellow with the Royal United Services Institute in London (@RUSI_org). Also, Mohamed al-Sahimi. Head of the STC UK office.This podcast is written and produced by Hugo Goodridge (@hugogoodridge).Theme music by Omar al-Fil with additional music from Audio Network.To get in touch with the producers, follow then tweet us at @TNAPodcasts or email podcast@newarab.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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2025 in Review 23.12.2025 1t 22minThe year is drawing to a close, which means its time for The New Arab Voice's annual review of year. To guide us through the tangled mess of the past 12 months, we're joined by The New Arab's Managing Editor Karim Traboulsi (@Kareemios), and journalist Oliver Mizzi (@OllyMizzi99).In this episode, we look back on the 12 days of war that shook Iran and Israel, the continued efforts of President Erdogan to hold on to power, the state building project of the new Sharaa government in Damascus, the brutal war in Sudan, and the stuttering ceasefire efforts in Gaza. We also look ahead to what 2026 might bring, and what us at The New Arab will be keeping an eye on. This podcast is written and produced by Hugo Goodridge (@hugogoodridge).Theme music by Omar al-Fil with additional music from Audio Network.To get in touch with the producers, follow then tweet us at @TNAPodcasts or email podcast@newarab.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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The Poachers Trail: Part 2 18.12.2025 39minThis is part 2 of a special investigation. You can find part 1 in your feeds now.For 15 months, The New Arab, in cooperation with Bridges Investigations, explored the shadowy world of Maltese bird hunters.We uncovered how Maltese hunters, frustrated by local laws, were travelling to Egypt to slaughter migratory birds in vast numbers. Their hunting activities have been described as an environmental disaster, and a threat to the thousands of migratory birds who rely on Egyptian wetlands.We went undercover in Fayoum. Followed the smuggling routes from Egypt’s lakes to Maltese homes. And saw how Europe’s conservation efforts collapse when its citizens pull the trigger abroad.This is more than a story of poaching. It’s about wasted conservation money, destroyed ecosystems, and a system that rewards hunters while silencing conservationists. The Poachers Trail was a investigation by The New Arab and Bridges Investigations (@BRIDGES4I), with the support of the Journalism Fund Europe (@journalismfund). It was written and hosted by Mahmoud Elsobky (@ElsobkyMahmoud_), with additional help from Wael El-Sayegh.Andrea Glioti is The New Arab’s Investigation editor. This podcast was produced by Hugo Goodridge. To get in touch with the producers, follow then tweet us at @TNAPodcasts or email podcast@newarab.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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The Poachers Trail: Part 1 16.12.2025 29minFor 15 months, The New Arab, in cooperation with Bridges Investigations, explored the shadowy world of Maltese bird hunters.We uncovered how Maltese hunters, frustrated by local laws, were travelling to Egypt to slaughter migratory birds in vast numbers. Their hunting activities have been described as an environmental disaster, and a threat to the thousands of migratory birds who rely on Egyptian wetlands.We went undercover in Fayoum. Followed the smuggling routes from Egypt’s lakes to Maltese homes. And saw how Europe’s conservation efforts collapse when its citizens pull the trigger abroad.This is more than a story of poaching. It’s about wasted conservation money, destroyed ecosystems, and a system that rewards hunters while silencing conservationists. The Poachers Trail was a investigation by The New Arab and Bridges Investigations (@BRIDGES4I), with the support of the Journalism Fund Europe (@journalismfund). It was written and hosted by Mahmoud Elsobky (@ElsobkyMahmoud_), with additional help from Wael El-Sayegh.Andrea Glioti is The New Arab’s Investigation editor. This podcast was produced by Hugo Goodridge. To get in touch with the producers, follow then tweet us at @TNAPodcasts or email podcast@newarab.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Hezbollah's Existential Crisis: Lebanon's effort to disarm the resistance and the future of the Party of God 30.09.2025 29minIt has been annus horribilis for Hezbollah.They were struck by a deadly pager attack, Israel launched a devastating air and ground campaign against the group, and their long-time leader was killed in an Israeli airstrike. The war left Hezbollah battered and broken, and now, the Lebanese government is moving in to clear up the arms, which is taking place under the shadow of continued Israeli airstrikes.At the start of September, the Lebanese army presented its plan to disarm Hezbollah once and for all to the cabinet. While welcomed by much of the cabinet, Hezbollah rejected the notion.This week on The New Arab Voice we examine the state of Hezbollah today. How are the Lebanese state disarming the group? And what is the future of the self-styled resistance movement in Lebanon?We're joined by David Wood, Senior Analyst for Lebanon at International Crisis Group (@CrisisGroup); and Paul Salem, senior fellow at the Middle East Institute (@MiddleEastInst).This podcast is written and produced by Hugo Goodridge (@hugogoodridge).Theme music by Omar al-Fil with additional music from Audio Network.To get in touch with the producers, follow then tweet us at @TNAPodcasts or email podcast@newarab.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Recognising Problems in Israel: Western recognition of Palestine and trouble at the Foreign Ministry 30.08.2025 34minThis week on The New Arab Voice podcast, we look at the recent decision by Western nations to recognise the State of Palestine. It came as a surprise to many, although it remains to be seen what it actual means for Palestinians. Either way, it angered Israel. And as Western states were announcing to recognise a Palestinian state, Israel was planning a major new offensive in Gaza, and Israeli citizens were on the streets protesting against the Netanyahu government. This week, what’s Israel doing in Gaza, and why are some Israeli citizens protesting the move? What does the recognition of a state of Palestine mean for Israel? And is Israeli foreign diplomacy failing?We speak with Paul Scham, the former Professor of Israeli Studies at the University of Maryland; also, Nimrod Goren, President and Founder of Mitvim – The Israeli Institute for Regional Foreign Policies.This podcast is written and produced by Hugo Goodridge (@hugogoodridge).Theme music by Omar al-Fil with additional music from Audio Network.To get in touch with the producers, follow then tweet us at @TNAPodcasts or email podcast@newarab.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Erdogan Considers the Kurdish Question: The PKK ceasefire and the Kurdish future in Turkey 09.08.2025 36minThis week on The New Arab Voice, we look at the recent ceasefire agreement between the PKK and the Turkish state. The Kurdistan’s Worker’s Party (PKK) and the Turkish state have been in a state of conflict since 1984. The conflict has killed over 35,000 people and achieved little, for either side. But now, a ceasefire has been announced. In a symbolic ceremony, PKK fighters burnt their arms in Sulaimaniyah, Iraq; and more recently, a commission was started at the Turkish Parliament to discuss the Turkish parliament. Is this the opportunity for Kurds to secure their rights in Turkey? Why is the Turkish state agreeing to a ceasefire now? Is President Erdogan using the ceasefire talks to increase his grip on power?Joining us to examine the Kurdish position, we speak with Dr. Salim Çevik (@salimcevikk), a visiting fellow at the Centre for Applied Turkey Studies (@CATS_Network) at the German Institute for International and Security Affairs (@SWPBerlin).And to guide us through Turkish thinking, we speak with Henri Barkey (@hbarkey), adjunct senior fellow for Middle East studies at the Council on Foreign Relations (@CFR_org) and the Bernard L. and Bertha F. Cohen chair in international relations at Lehigh University (Emeritus) (@LehighU). This podcast is written and produced by Hugo Goodridge (@hugogoodridge).Theme music by Omar al-Fil with additional music from Audio Network.To get in touch with the producers, follow then tweet us at @TNAPodcasts or email podcast@newarab.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Sudan's Raging and Overlooked Tragedy: The warring generals, the illegal gold, and a population trapped 23.07.2025 34minThis week on The New Arab Voice podcast we look at the state of the war in Sudan.It’s been declared the worst humanitarian crisis in the world, with hunger, disease and displacement rife. Yet the fighting surges on with reports of atrocities in the Kordofan region that left hundreds of civilians dead last weekend, the UN reported.The two rival militaries, the Sudanese army and the Rapid Support Forces, are showing no sign of slowing down - and they have a few external forces to thank.So why is the UAE accused of involvement in the war? Who else is fighting for a piece of Sudan’s mineral rich pie? And might the crisis be next on the list for the “peacemaking” Trump administration in Washington?To discuss all this and more, we speak to Hamid Khafallah (@HamidMurtada) Sudanese Researcher and Policy Analyst at the University of Manchester (@OfficialUoM), Hala Alkarib (@Halayalkarib) Sudanese activist and Regional Director of Strategic Initiative for Women in the Horn of Africa, and Khalid Omer Yousif (@KHOYousif) Vice Chairman of Sudanese Congress Party and former minister of cabinet affairs in the transitional government. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Going Nuclear : 12 days of fire between Iran and Israel 04.07.2025 34minThis week, we look at the recent Israeli surprise attack, and the Iranian response that rained down on Israeli cities. The war started on 13 June with surprise attack launched by Israel, attacking high profile military and nuclear figures, as well as nuclear and military sites across the country. Iran responded with a wave of drones and missiles, some of which got through. We've seen outbreaks of violence between the two countries before, but this round was far more costly for each nation. Why did Israel decide to launch a surprise attack? How were Iran able to inflict damage to Israel? Who was targeted by Israel and what impact do the killings have? What's the state of the Iranian nuclear deal? And can a new deal be reached?Joining us to untangle the Israeli decision making is Mairav Zonszein (@MairavZ), Senior Israel analyst for the International Crisis Group (@CrisisGroup). And to understand the Iranian position, we speak with Alex Vatanka (@AlexVatanka), Senior Fellow at the Middle East Institute (@MiddleEastInst), with a particular focus on Iran. This podcast is written and produced by Hugo Goodridge (@hugogoodridge).Theme music by Omar al-Fil with additional music from Audio Network.To get in touch with the producers, follow then tweet us at @TNAPodcasts or email podcast@newarab.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Trump's Gulfing Trip: US dealing making in the Gulf sidelines Israel's Netanyahu 06.06.2025 34minThis week on The New Arab Voice podcast we look at US President Donald Trump's recent trip to the Gulf. During this trip he secured billions of dollars worth of deals and investments. There were the usual defence contracts, but also, advance technologies also played a huge role in the deals. As well as business deals, Trump also sought to make political progress on a number of issues facing the region. Trump continued to push his desire for a new Iran nuclear deal, and he also announced the lifting of all sanctions on Syria. Another notable point from his trip, is what Trump didn't do; namely, he didn't visit Israel. Why did Trump choose the Gulf for his first foreign trip? What deals did he make? What political gains was he able to make? Why didn't he visit Benjamin Netanyahu? What's the state of the relationship between Netanyahu and Trump? Are the two leaders diverging and is there anything Netanyahu can do about it?Joining us this week, we speak with Paul Salem (@paul_salem), a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute (@MiddleEastInst), and Charles W. Dunne (@CharlesWDunne), a Nonresident Senior Fellow at Arab Center Washington DC (@ArabCenterWDC).All five episodes of our special series Sanaa's Odyssey are out now, you can listen to them via The New Arab, or search for 'Sanaa's Odyssey', wherever you get your podcasts.This podcast is written and produced by Hugo Goodridge (@hugogoodridge).Theme music by Omar al-Fil with additional music from Audio Network.To get in touch with the producers, follow then tweet us at @TNAPodcasts or email podcast@newarab.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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The New Arab Events: Palestine in a World on Fire 04.06.2025 1t 26minWhat does it mean to stand with Palestine in a world on fire?In this special live episode, recorded at Reference Point in London, Benjamin Ashraf of The New Arab chairs a powerful conversation with historian Ilan Pappé, scholar Katherine Natanel, and legal academic Nadine El-Enany. Together, they explore the urgent connections between the movement for justice in Palestine and global liberation struggles.As Ghassan Kanafani once wrote, Palestine is “a cause for every revolutionary.” Nineteen months into a "livestreamed" genocide, with millions mobilising worldwide, that truth has never felt more immediate.The discussion draws on the new book Palestine in a World on Fire (Haymarket, 2024)—a collection of interviews with leading thinkers and activists including Angela Y. Davis, Paul Gilroy, Judith Butler, Noam Chomsky, and others—offering reflections on how to sustain and deepen international solidarity.Tune in as we return to and expand these conversations in the context of the current moment.You can purchase a copy of Palestine in a World on Fire from the Haymarket Books website. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Syria's Minority Report: Sectarian attacks on Alawites and Druze threaten Syrian unity 23.05.2025 41minThe New Arab Voice is back!This week we look at the recent sectarian violence that engulfed the Syrian coast and targeted the country's Alawite community and the violence that hit in the south, which targeted the country's Druze community. We examine the causes of the violence, the response by the state, where the state's response went wrong, and what it means for the future of this new Syria. Joining us to guide us through the violence on the coast, we speak with Dr. Rahaf Aldoughli (@r_aldoughli), a Lecturer in Middle East and North African studies at Lancaster University (@LancasterUni), and Senior Editor for the Middle East Section at Cogent Social Sciences.And to explain what happened in the south, we speak with Dr. Nanar Hawach (@NanarHawach), Senior Analyst for Syria at International Crisis Groups (@CrisisGroup).All five episodes of our special series Sanaa's Odyssey are out now, you can listen to them via The New Arab, or search for 'Sanaa's Odyssey', wherever you get your podcasts.This podcast is written and produced by Hugo Goodridge (@hugogoodridge).Theme music by Omar al-Fil with additional music from Audio Network.To get in touch with the producers, follow then tweet us at @TNAPodcasts or email podcast@newarab.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Sanaa's Odyssey Episode 5: Exile 25.04.2025 43minThis is episode five of Sanaa's Odyssey, a special series from The New Arab. For the final episode of Sanaa's Odyssey, we travelled to Cairo, to meet with Sanaa in person. When we spoke, a ceasefire had been agreed between Israel and Hamas, although, there was little hope that it would hold. In her Cairo apartment, we spoke with Sanaa about how she feels about the war now that she has escaped, the tragedies that she has experienced, how she feels about Hamas, prospects for peace, and what she wants from the future. Sanaa's Odyssey is written and produced by Hugo Goodridge.You can follow The New Arab's podcast on X, and email us podcast@newarab.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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