Dev Interrupted

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  Models escaping containment, intelligence becoming a commodity, and AI code review to the rescue 24.07.2026 29min

  What happens when an AI model decides to autonomously hack a production database just to cheat on a benchmark test? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack the shocking news of an OpenAI agent escaping its sandbox to exploit Hugging Face's infrastructure. The hosts also analyze the rapid rise of highly capable open-weight models out of China, debating what this commoditization of intelligence means for the massive infrastructure costs of frontier labs. Finally, they discuss the ...
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  The most underrated dataset in enterprise AI is your org chart | Rippling's Albert Strasheim 21.07.2026 35min

  AI agents can't transform an org they can't see. Albert Strasheim, CTO at Rippling, joins Andrew Zigler to explain why agentic transformation starts with the employee graph, the system of record for who does what. He shares how Rippling assembles teams and primitives across silos, why evals are the new unit test, and how compensating controls keep AI output from turning into slop. When agents do the work, you still have to know who, or what, shipped it. LinearB attributes the work, whether it...
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  Rebuilding CLIs for agents, it’s time to get MCP-certified, and why human code review will never catch up 17.07.2026 23min

  This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew explore Codex's obsession with the isRecord type guard and break down the Linux Foundation's new MCP certification. They also discuss the fundamental mechanics of agentic loops and CircleCI's new agent-first CLI redesign. Finally, they dive into longitudinal research proving that AI creates a massive pull request bottleneck, highlighting why automated code review is the only sustainable path forward. Register: The Engineering Productivity Gap liv...
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  How to see in the dark factory | LaunchDarkly's Cameron Etezadi 14.07.2026 47min

  The era of the "two-pizza" engineering team is officially dead, replaced by the "two-slice" team and a massive token budget. This week, LaunchDarkly CTO Cameron Etezadi joins the show to explain why traditional guardrails are breaking down and how engineering teams can regain control using runtime agent frameworks. He introduces the concept of the "dark factory," a highly automated assembly line for safely observing, flagging, and deploying AI-generated code to production. The conversat...
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  How to cultivate expertise with local models, delegating to subagents, and we all really stopped reading, huh? 10.07.2026 28min

  Is the biggest barrier to your team’s productivity literally just a lack of fresh air in your meeting room? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew dive into the rise of highly capable open source models like GLM 5.2 and the messy reality of running local AI for coding tasks. The hosts also discuss the cultural shift away from deep reading in a world obsessed with AI summaries, emphasizing the importance of protecting your first brain. Finally, they review a legendary tale from Meta's ...
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  Agents moved where the work happens (and using MCP to find it again) | Slack’s Jaime DeLanghe 07.07.2026 51min

  This week on Dev Interrupted, Slack’s Chief Product Officer, Jaime DeLanghe, joins the show to explain why enterprise AI value depends on embedding custom bots directly into your existing team communication loops rather than deploying them inside isolated, single-player chat silos. She breaks down the platform's shift toward open ecosystem standards like the Model Context Protocol (MCP) and how dynamic UI frameworks are transforming standard channels into active execution environments. Jaime ...
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  Empathetic leadership for tech overlords, a good backlog completes itself, and who’s agent is this, anyways? 03.07.2026 36min

  This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew Zigler is joined by Zapier’s Kelly Vaughn to dive into the sudden return of Anthropic's Fable model, the realities of multi-threaded agentic engineering, and why the lowly engineering backlog is finally having its moment. To wrap things up, they review Charity Majors' latest advice on empathetic leadership and explore why the best way to win a workplace disagreement is to stop arguing and let an AI build the proof of concept. Life Beyond Tokenmaxxing Wor...
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  How LinearB helps Kraken find hidden bottlenecks across thousands of engineers | Nik Sudan 30.06.2026 43min

  Are you confusing a skyrocketing AI token bill with actual engineering value? This week on Dev Interrupted, Kraken's Engineering Operations Lead, Nik Sudan, joins the show to break down the harsh realities of moving agentic AI projects from pilot to production without compromising code health. He unpacks why raw AI adoption is a flawed vanity metric, detailing how his team uses tools like the LinearB MCP server to combine high-level engineering metrics with granular repository data to uncover...
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  The discernment horizon, loop-driven development, and a wizard’s very defensible pond 26.06.2026 28min

  Is the golden age of exponential AI growth already flattening out? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack Steve Yegge's "Flat Curve Society" theory to explore what happens when frontier models stop getting exponentially better. The hosts also dive into the evolution of loop-driven development, the value of markdown based local knowledge bases, and why comparing different AI models usually just exposes the flaws in your own prompts. Finally, they review Midjourney's bizarre new ...
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  Your developers are the attack surface now and vibe coding as a vulnerability | Tanya Janca 23.06.2026 46min

  Developers are like water: if you make your security protocols too difficult, they will find a way to flow right around them. This week on Dev Interrupted, bestselling author and OWASP Top 10 Project Leader Tanya Janca returns to unpack why vibe coding has officially made the list of the most critical security risks in software development. Tanya breaks down the psychology of bad code, explains why the modern software engineer has become the primary attack surface, and shares actionable strat...
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  Microsoft’s wandering eyes, data labeling duties for senior devs at Meta, and prod is the new source code 19.06.2026 38min

  This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack the sudden disappearance of Fable 5 and discuss whether Meta's aggressive pivot to AI data labeling is destroying its legendary engineering culture. The hosts also explore the rise of highly capable open source Chinese models like GLM 5.2 and why tech giants are considering them to slash skyrocketing inference bills. Finally, they dive into new research proving that as AI execution takes over, human domain expertise and strict production o...
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  Your SDLC needs a productivity context engine 16.06.2026 39min

  What if the secret to fixing your overwhelmed SDLC is not a better AI coding model, but a smarter productivity context engine? This week on Dev Interrupted, LinearB founders Ori Keren and Dan Lines join the show to discuss the messy middle of AI adoption and the painful transition from the traditional SDLC to the Agentic Development Life Cycle. They unpack why the era of cheap AI experimentation is over, how rising token costs are forcing engineering leaders to prioritize strict business ROI,...
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  How to harness your dragon with Fable, tech leaders turn to model routing, and coping with AI rockstars 12.06.2026 35min

  Anthropic just dropped a dragon-class model on our laps, but can you steer it without torching your codebase in the process? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack the sudden arrival of Fable 5 and how to leverage it to scrutinize your systems before the massive API paywall hits. They also take aim at the unsustainable trend of tokenmaxxing and explore how intelligent model routing can drastically cut your AI spend. Finally, they tackle the unmaintainable mess left behind by AI...
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  All software is an optimization of tokens and time (and speed is still the moat) | AMD’s Anush Elangovan 09.06.2026 52min

  What happens when you strip away decades of engineering abstractions and let AI navigate the wild west between your initial intent and the final outcome? This week on Dev Interrupted, Anush Elangovan, VP of AI Software at AMD, returns to unpack the rapid shift toward an agentic software development lifecycle. Anush introduces the concept of "Agentic IO," a workflow where engineers focus strictly on high-level goals while AI handles the complex implementation. The conversation also highlights ...
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  Microsoft breaks free from OpenAI, using your harness to add drag instead of velocity, and the Linux built-ins you're sleeping on 05.06.2026 27min

  This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack the AI build-versus-buy debate, Microsoft's new independent foundation models, and the growing revolt of mathematicians against unsubstantiated AI-generated proofs. The hosts also explore Stanford’s Socratic rulebook for AI coding assistants and discuss Kent Beck's warning that engineering teams need to build "trust factories" to counter the rapid chaos of AI-assisted development. Finally, they close with a defense of Linux primitives and ...
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  How to turn your 1000x engineer into a 10x everyone | LinkedIn’s Karthik Ramgopal 02.06.2026 52min

  This week, Andrew sits down with LinkedIn Distinguished Engineer Karthik Ramgopal to explore the reality of deploying agentic platforms across a massive organization. Karthik unpacks the mechanics of AI memory, spanning procedural and episodic structures, and explains how to build durable engineering primitives that actually last. Finally, the two discuss the enduring importance of system fundamentals and why LinkedIn is restructuring its internship program into AI-native pods to foster a new...
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  The cost of intelligence will never be this cheap again, the failure of intensive specs, and how bots disguise inefficient workflows 29.05.2026 38min

  Are we officially entering the "Eternal Sloptember"? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack the quiet rebellion against skyrocketing API costs as teams transition to fine-tuned local models. They also explore the changing physical architecture of AI data centers, the dangers of using autonomous tools as a crutch for broken workflows, and why spec-driven development is critical for keeping agentic code in check. Finally, the hosts share their latest personal agent experiments, f...
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  Observability is your profit center now | Honeycomb’s Christine Yen 26.05.2026 47min

  What if you stopped treating observability as a simple insurance policy and started viewing it as a profit center? This week, Andrew sits down with Honeycomb CEO Christine Yen to explore how observability, data science, and product development are colliding in the agentic era. Christine explains why production signals must become compiler inputs for autonomous agents and how MCP tools are democratizing telemetry for entire organizations. Finally, the two discuss Honeycomb's latest Innovation ...
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  What Google didn’t announce at I/O, defining “dark flow” and ignoring your first brain to build your second one 22.05.2026 30min

  Andrew and Ben recap the biggest announcements from Google I/O, breaking down everything from the new Gemini Spark agent to Gemini 3.5 Flash. They also explore how leaders can distill their management style using AI, debate whether complex note-taking apps are a form of procrastination, and call on listeners to participate in a new vibe coding research study. Finally, Andrew shares his "Skills Olympics" methodology for stress-testing and managing his own personal fleet of AI agents. Lea...
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  Android is the frontier for agents and other lessons from Google I/O | Matthew McCullough 19.05.2026 27min

  With Google I/O 2026 underway this week, Andrew sits down with Matthew McCullough, VP of Android Development Experiences at Google, to talk about the AI evolution happening across the Android ecosystem. Matthew shares his insights on why developers are rapidly transitioning into agent orchestrators, why CLIs are cool again, and how tools like AI Studio have rolled out a massive welcome banner for anyone to actively participate in the creation process. Finally, the two explore the future of mo...