Recruiting Future with Matt Alder - What's Next For Talent Acquisition, HR & Hiring? — Podcast

Round Up August 2026 17.09.2026 30min

If you've not listened to Round Up before, it's a short review of the episodes that I've published in the last month to make sure you don't miss out on the valuable insights that my guests are sharing. This month Round Up returns to its live format, and this is a recording of my live conversation with my guest co-host Rhona Pierce from Workfluencer Media, about six of the episodes published during July and August 2026 Episodes featured in this Round Up: Ep 803: AI Native Recruiting Ep 807: Trust, Transparency And The AI Interview Ep 809: The Data Foundation For AI In Hiring Ep 812: Who Trains The Human In The Loop? ⁠⁠https://recruitingfuture.com/2026/07/ep-812-who-trains-the-human-in-the-loop/⁠⁠ Ep 816: Hiring For Judgment In The AI Era https://recruitingfuture.com/2026/08/ep-816-hiring-for-judgment-in-the-ai-era/ Ep 821: Why Every Employer Brand Sounds The Same https://recruitingfuture.com/2026/08/ep-821-why-every-employer-brand-sounds-the-same/

Ep 824: Is AI Creating Talent Debt? 11.09.2026 27min

Inside most organizations, the pressure has shifted from proving that AI works to showing what it is worth in cost, productivity and headcount. Some workforce plans are now being decided on that basis before anyone has looked closely at how the work is done. The organizations getting the most from AI are treating it as a question of work design rather than technology. So what does designing work around AI involve, and what does it cost the organizations that skip that step? My guest this week is Matt Campbell, Managing Director at Alvarez & Marsal, where he leads the Talent, Organization & People practice and advises organizations on workforce strategy and organization design. In our conversation, he explains why most AI pilots produce an inconclusive result, a five-stage model of AI's impact on work, the ways organizations misread their own people, and why cutting too far, too fast creates a talent debt. In the interview, we discuss: - Why most AI pilots are designed to prove the wrong thing - Who owns AI? - Why big tech's approach to AI and headcount is the wrong template for everyone else - The difference between a job and a role - The five A's: avoid, assist, augment, automate and autonomous - How to put numbers against cost, productivity and capacity - The four things organizations most often get wrong - Why unauthorized AI use gives employees the benefit and the organization the risk - Talent debt and the cost of cutting too far, too fast - Are you designing work around AI, and what does the future look like?

Ep 823: How AI Is Disrupting Entry Level Jobs 09.09.2026 24min

In software development, AI tools now write much of the code, and at a growing number of organizations junior developers are no longer doing that work themselves. Tech is where the impact on a first job is clearest, and likely a preview of what other industries will see next. When the tools handle the technical work, what is left requires judgment, collaboration and communication, capabilities that take much longer to develop. That changes how people are prepared for work and what employers should be hiring for. What should the pathway into a tech career look like now? My guest this week is Reuben Ogbonna, Co-Founder and Executive Director of The Marcy Lab School, a one-year alternative to college in Brooklyn that prepares young adults for careers in tech. In our conversation, he explains why the traditional college model is falling behind, what people are still needed for when AI writes the code, and how employers should rethink entry-level hiring. In the interview, we discuss: The impact AI is having on first jobs The rising bar of expectations for early careers What skills should students now be learning Why developing judgment matters and why it is difficult to teach The difference between tasks and jobs How do educators keep up with changing needs? Learning that has to mimic the real workplace How should employers redesign entry-level hiring? What does the future look like, and how might AI drive job creation? Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

Ep 822: How To Win Investment For Employer Branding 02.09.2026 21min

Hi there, welcome to episode 822 of Recruiting Future with me, Matt Alder. Employer branding teams are still under sustained pressure. Budgets have shrunk and headcount has been reduced across many organizations, even when the hiring the business needs has become more specific and more critical. Despite all of the cuts, some employer brand leaders are still winning investment and influence. What sets them apart is how closely their work connects to what the business is trying to achieve and how effectively they communicate its impact. So what does it take to make employer branding matter to the business? My guest this week is Stephen Quinn, CEO of Atomic, an insight-led agency working with employer brand leaders at some of the world's largest organizations. In our conversation, Stephen shares what the most effective employer brand leaders do differently, which metrics carry weight with the business, and how to plan employer branding for the long term. In the interview, we discuss: Trends and challenges in Employer Branding What separates the most successful employer brand leaders Attaching Employer Branding to the critical needs of the employer Where should employer branding sit in the organization? Building relationships across the business Measuring and reporting on impact and ROI via the right metrics Long-term strategy thinking rather than short-term campaign thinking What does the future of Employer Branding look like Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

Ep 821: Why Every Employer Brand Sounds The Same 28.08.2026 37min

Employer messaging has a sameness problem. Candidates researching potential employers find the same values, the same mission statements, and the same well-meaning phrases wherever they look, which makes choosing between companies harder than it should be. The upside is a genuine opportunity. Standing out is no longer about outspending the competition; it comes from understanding what your organization offers that others don't, and the work of finding and proving that difference is now within reach of employers of any size. So how do you uncover what genuinely makes you different? My guest this week is James Ellis, founder of Employer Brand Labs and author of several books on employer branding. James has spent his career arguing that every company, whatever its size, can compete for talent by leaning into what makes it different. In our conversation, he shares why difference matters more than ever, why real proof beats nice-sounding claims, and where employers should start. In the interview, we discuss: Why so many employers sound identical What scraping every Fortune 500 career site reveals Why playing it safe has become the riskiest strategy The opportunity for employers outside the Fortune 500 The chicken soup story and the power of proof How AI changes the economics of employer brand work Finding evidence in the material you already have Why differentiation takes courage as well as insight What does the future look like? Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

Ep 820: What Strategic HR Really Means 26.08.2026 18min

The gap between claiming to be strategic and actually operating strategically has real consequences, and nowhere are they clearer than at the top of HR. CHRO turnover is unusually high at the moment, and it also spikes sharply in the first year under a new CEO. A change at the top usually brings a new thesis about what the business needs, and what the CEO needs from HR shifts with it. Many CHROs find themselves running a system built for the previous mandate, and by the time the gap becomes visible, trust has already eroded. The problem is structural rather than personal, which means it can be fixed. So what separates the HR leaders who thrive in the role from those who don't? My guest this week is Jackson O. Lynch, founder of Talent Sherpa and a former CHRO who works with CEOs, CHROs, and boards on connecting talent systems to business strategy. In our conversation, Jackson shares why mandate misalignment drives so much churn at the top of HR, what operating at the top level means in practice, and why AI is making the redesign of work urgent. In the interview, we discuss: Why is CHRO turnover so high? Mandate misalignment and the conversation that rarely happens What does strategic HR look like in practice? Systems for transformation versus systems for stability Looking at business strategy through the talent lens Business logic versus compliance logic in the C-suite The trust issue Why AI is forcing a rethink of how work is designed Can HR take this opportunity for reinvention, and what does the future look like? Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

Ep 819: Who Gets The Biggest Job In HR? 21.08.2026 26min

The job of Chief People Officer has never been more demanding, and the way organizations decide who gets it is changing fast. Appointment volumes have fallen sharply, boards are rethinking what they value in an HR leader, and the profile of the people winning the top seats looks different from even two years ago. Experience of having done the job before is no longer the deciding factor it once was, which changes the calculation for everyone with ambitions on the role. So what are boards really looking for when they appoint a Chief People Officer? My guest this week is Olivia Sharp, a Partner at executive search firm Eton Bridge Partners, where she leads searches for Chief People Officers and board-level appointments and heads the firm's research into CPO hiring globally. In our conversation, she shares what the data reveals about experience versus potential, the skills that now define the role, and how TA leaders can position themselves for the top job. In the interview, we discuss: The fundamental shifts in what organizations value when hiring Chief People Officers Why boards are taking calculated risks on potential rather than buying proven experience What the appointment data means for first-time CPO candidates The leadership qualities that now matter more than HR expertise Where the traditional HR career path falls short The commercial capability gap in HR development How TA leaders can position themselves for the top job The swing back to external hiring and why new doesn't mean radical What will the Chief People Officer role look like in the future? Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

Ep 818: The New Hiring Decision 20.08.2026 32min

Skills have been on the HR agenda for decades, but they rarely became the basis for real decisions; frameworks took so long to build that the business had moved on before they were finished. What's different now is that AI agents are starting to handle work that used to require a person, and that changes the question employers need to ask. It's no longer just about who to hire; it's about whether the work needs a human at all. When you can map work to the skills it requires, you have a basis for deciding what stays with people and what moves to an agent. Making that shift isn't straightforward, though; it raises questions about what HR itself needs to look like and what capabilities the function needs to develop. So what does it take to make skills the basis for deciding how work gets done? My guest this week is Ciara Harrington, Chief People Officer at Skillsoft. In our conversation, Ciara shares how Skillsoft is rethinking which work needs a person, why HR has to become more technical to lead that conversation, and what happens when you add "bot" to your talent strategy. In the interview, we discuss: How is AI changing the way we think about skills? Build, buy, borrow, bot Helping leaders understand what work could be done differently Tasks, skills, jobs, and units of work How understanding skills underpins this transformation AI can be more expensive than humans Building an effective governance model Hiring technical skills into HR and connecting the data Critical human skills and why they need to be developed faster What does the future look like? Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

Decoding the C-Suite: Part 5 The Market 18.08.2026 27min

This is the final episode of Decoding the C-Suite, a five part miniseries from Recruiting Future about how leadership really thinks about AI, recorded with the leadership team at SmartRecruiters seven months into their acquisition by SAP. Three years into the AI boom, the marketing noise has never been louder. Everything is AI-powered and every vendor makes the same claims. In the final episode, Steve Hardy, who leads marketing at SmartRecruiters, is unusually candid about all of it: why he tells his own sales team to stop demoing, what he calls AI washing, why buyers should start with business priorities rather than features, and what actually builds trust with buyers and candidates alike. The series closes with the question that ran through every conversation: what does good leadership look like in an AI-driven world?

Decoding the C-Suite: Part 4 - The Product 18.08.2026 25min

This is episode four of Decoding the C-Suite, a five part miniseries from Recruiting Future about how leadership really thinks about AI, recorded with the leadership team at SmartRecruiters seven months into their acquisition by SAP. AI is moving faster than any buyer can absorb, and that creates a genuine design problem: build for the boldest customers and you lose everyone else, build for the cautious and you fall behind. Shefali Netke, VP of Product Design at SmartRecruiters, lives in that tension every day. She explains how to design for a spectrum of readiness rather than an average user, why she refuses to keep designing for the old world, how her team builds AI fluency, and what it takes to merge two design cultures into one team.

Decoding the C-Suite: Part 1 - The Thesis 18.08.2026 25min

The organisations genuinely driving AI change in talent all have one thing in common: alignment with the C-suite. Decoding the C-Suite is a five part miniseries from Recruiting Future exploring how leadership really thinks about AI. Recorded over one day with the leadership team at SmartRecruiters, seven months into their acquisition by SAP, the series unpacks AI through five lenses: the thesis, the people, the money, the product and the market. If you want to understand the conversations happening around your own leadership table, and how to win them, this series is for you. In the opening episode, the tables are turned as SmartRecruiters' Allyn Bailey interviews Matt on the future of talent acquisition. Matt shares his honest assessment of the outdated stories the industry keeps telling itself, why mental models matter more than systems, how candidates are already breaking recruiting, and a prediction about AI agents talking to AI agents that he's prepared to be held to. It sets the agenda for the four leadership conversations that follow.

Decoding the C-Suite: Part 3 - The Money 18.08.2026 24min

This is episode three of Decoding the C-Suite, a five part miniseries from Recruiting Future about how leadership really thinks about AI, recorded with the leadership team at SmartRecruiters seven months into their acquisition by SAP. If you've ever struggled to get AI investment signed off, this episode is for you. Tom DiDesidero, CFO at SmartRecruiters, explains exactly what he wants to see in a business case, why he backs short, measurable pilots over big commitments, and how to bring evidence rather than instinct. He also lifts the lid on the real economics of AI, from unpredictable inference costs to gross margins far below anything the SaaS world is used to, and makes a prediction about how the AI and SaaS worlds inevitably come together.

Decoding the C-Suite: Part 2 - The People 18.08.2026 23min

This is episode two of Decoding the C-Suite, a five part miniseries from Recruiting Future about how leadership really thinks about AI, recorded with the leadership team at SmartRecruiters seven months into their acquisition by SAP. The headlines about AI and the workforce are relentlessly grim: surveillance, layoffs, roles disappearing. Lehua Stonebraker, who leads the people function at SmartRecruiters, starts from a different place: naming the fear rather than managing around it. In this episode she explains how to build psychological safety when employees are scared to admit they use AI, why she believes the org chart is gone, how engagement went up during an acquisition, and a vision of a connected employee lifecycle that finally uses everything an organisation learns about its people.

Ep 817: The Human Bias Fueling Talent Shortages 13.08.2026 18min

Cybersecurity is one of the hardest markets to hire in, and a lot of the difficulty comes from how companies approach the process. Candidates are still being filtered on degrees, previous employers, and years of experience- signals that are particularly weak in a field where the best work is confidential, and skills need updating constantly. Good people are getting screened out, and what looks like a talent shortage can often be a matching problem. So, what changes when companies stop filtering on the usual proxies and start hiring on what candidates can actually do? My guest this week is Laurent Halimi, CEO and founder of Cyberr.ai, a professional network for cybersecurity professionals. In our conversation, Laurent explains why the skills shortage in cybersecurity is only half the truth, where the bias in hiring really comes from, and what it takes to judge candidates on skills that you can actually verify. In the interview, we discuss: How AI is changing what cybersecurity professionals do and the new roles it is creating A real skill gap at the senior level and a matching problem everywhere else The certification race and why it is losing relevance Why hiring in cybersecurity is different from other technical fields Trust, stale skills, and work that stays invisible Where the bias in hiring algorithms really comes from Practical steps for judging candidates on verifiable skills Anonymous applications and giving candidates control of their profiles Will skills finally beat pedigree, and what does the future look like? Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

Ep 816: Hiring For Judgment In The AI Era 11.08.2026 23min

There is growing consensus that AI is eroding the experience pathways organizations depend on to develop human judgment. Entry-level roles are shrinking, hands-on work is being automated, and fewer people are building the experience their businesses need. This is a well-documented challenge. What remains far less clear is what the talent strategy response should look like. Most skills systems today are built to track whether someone can execute a task, not how well they make decisions under ambiguity. If judgment is becoming the most important capability in the organization, recruiting, learning, and assessment all need recalibrating around it. So what does that recalibration look like in practice? My guest this week is Craig Friedman, author of Enterprise Skills Unlocked and Talent Transformation Leader at St. Charles Consulting Group. In our conversation, he explains why current skills infrastructure misses the capability that matters most, what work looks like when execution is automated, and how organizations can start building judgment into their talent strategy. In the interview, we discuss: What does enterprise AI adoption currently look like The long-term consequences of cutting entry-level jobs What does work look like when the automatable tasks are taken away? Why judgment is more important as a skill than ever before The difference between judgment and critical thinking Where does judgment fit into the skills infrastructure? How can TA teams hire for judgment? What does the future look like? Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

Ep 815: Do You Know How Work Gets Done? 07.08.2026 20min

AI adoption is accelerating, but for most organisations it is still ad hoc. Tools are bought reactively, budgets keep growing, and few leaders can say with confidence what is being used, what is working, or what return they are getting. Some companies are already going further, cutting roles on the assumption that machines can simply take over tasks from people. What rarely gets examined is what those decisions do to the people who remain, the culture they work in, and the customers they serve. So what do organisations need to understand about how work happens before they let AI reshape it? My guest this week is Sam Naficy, Chairman and CEO of Prodoscore, a data analytics company that studies employee engagement, productivity, and collaboration in large enterprises. In our conversation, Sam shares what his data reveals about AI use and productivity, the cultural consequences of automating roles, and why visibility into work has to come before automation. In the interview, we discuss: Why most organisations are still in the early stages of AI adoption The growing gap between AI spending and visibility into what is being used What the data shows about heavy AI users and productivity Why some employees adopt AI faster than others The unforeseen impact of automation on workplace culture What happens to the teams that remain when their AI replaces their colleagues Stress-testing workforce changes before making them The line between visibility and surveillance What does the future of work look like?

Ep 814: The Science Of Storytelling In Employer Branding 06.08.2026 27min

Storytelling might be the most overused word in employer branding. Every company claims to tell stories, yet most of the content being produced sounds the same from one company to the next, and AI is about to make the problem significantly worse by flooding every channel with even more identikit messaging. At the same time, the science behind how stories work on the human brain is well established, comprehensive, and much harder to apply than most people realise. The employers who understand it are creating content that connects on an emotional level, while everyone else is just adding to the noise. So what separates real storytelling from content that just claims to be a story? My guest this week is Susanna Rantanen, founder of Employer Branding Agency Emine and author of the book Story-Driven Employer Branding. In our conversation, she shares why so much storytelling isn't storytelling at all, what the science tells us about how stories persuade, and how employers can use them to attract and retain the right people. In the interview, we discuss: The biggest current challenges in Employer Branding Why branding is a long-term play, not a short-term campaign The internal audience employers overlook Attracting the right people via meaning, relevance, and emotion Why most Employer Brand storytelling isn't storytelling at all The science of how stories work on the human brain How does proper storytelling work in practice The current and future impact of AI What does the future of employer branding look like?

Ep 813: The Strategic Case For Sourcing 05.08.2026 22min

AI has disrupted the dynamics of hiring. Candidates can now apply to hundreds of roles in a single click, while legal and regulatory constraints limit how far recruiters can use AI to review what comes in. The result is a flood of applications that keeps growing because so little of it gets properly reviewed. With the inbound recruiting channel under this much pressure, sourcing offers a different equation; it's a channel where employers set the quality bar themselves, and AI has fundamentally changed what it can deliver. The implications reach beyond pipeline quality. New approaches to sourcing could transform the candidate experience and open career paths that traditional hiring would never have surfaced. So what does it take to make sourcing a genuine strategic priority? My guest this week is David Paffenholz, Co-Founder and CEO of Juicebox. In our conversation David explains what is driving the inbound challenges, how AI is transforming what sourcing can do, why every role could get the executive search treatment, and what this could all mean for candidates and their careers. In the interview, we discuss: The paradox of record application volumes and persistent skill shortages Why candidates are using AI more effectively than employers How bulk applying is creating a self-reinforcing loop that is breaking inbound The business case for making sourcing a strategic priority Exponentially improving the candidate experience Treating every role like an executive search Human judgment and the changing role of the recruiter How skills-based matching could unlock career mobility and evidence that it is already happening What does the future look like? Juicebox https://juicebox.ai/ David on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-paffenholz/

Ep 812: Who Trains The Human In The Loop? 29.07.2026 34min

For the last few years, most corporate conversations about AI have been about efficiency, automating tasks, and reducing headcount. That conversation is now starting to change, with more attention on what constant AI use is doing to the human capabilities organizations depend on. Judgment sits at the center of this. It develops through years of hands-on experience, often in exactly the kind of junior work AI is now taking over. With many employers also hiring fewer entry-level people, developing the leaders of the future is becoming a serious challenge. So how do organizations use AI to amplify human capability rather than erode it? My guest this week is Johan Roos, Professor in Strategy at Hult International Business School and author of the new book Human Magic: Leading with Wisdom in an Age of Algorithms. In our conversation, Johan shares why the AI conversation is changing, the human capabilities that now matter most, and the practical choices employers face in developing judgment for the future. In the interview, we discuss: The dual mood of AI anxiety and excitement Moving the AI conversation beyond efficiency Amplification versus erosion of human capability The five human capabilities that matter most Why judgment comes from experience The risks of cutting entry-level hiring Thinking in tasks, not people Building an agentic workforce without cutting jobs Early warning indicators of talent risk Bionic collaboration and what the future looks like https://itunes.apple.com/podcast/recruiting-future-podcast/id963756980?mt=2&ls=1 https://open.spotify.com/show/4u3Gl0l4pGBtIHOJZjLTrx?si=49641466567e44d6 https://www.linkedin.com/in/drjohanroos/ A full transcript will appear here shortly.

Ep 811: The Hiring Problems Technology Can't Fix 28.07.2026 28min

TA leaders are under real pressure to keep up with AI, new tools, and what they think other employers are doing. In that rush, a lot of functions are spending heavily on new technology without first understanding whether their existing processes are working, only to find the real problem was something no platform could have fixed. Getting this right means doing the internal work first, auditing what's already in place, and being honest about organizational readiness. So what does it take to turn the lens inward before looking outward? My guest this week is Jalpa Trivedi, an experienced Global Head of TA who has built and centralized TA functions across more than 30 countries. In our conversation, she shares why the internal audit matters more than the technology choice, how to build TA foundations that hold across different markets, and how to approach AI adoption with the governance it requires. In the interview, we discuss: The questions TA leaders aren't asking about their own function. Investing in technology that solves the wrong problem -The 80/20 approach to centralizing TA across markets -Building an EVP on evidence, not assumptions -What persuades leadership to back a TA investment -Why the biggest AI risk isn't falling behind -Five data privacy questions to ask before signing with an AI vendor -Where the dividing line falls between AI and human judgment -What does the future look like? A full transcript will appear here shortly. Follow This Podcast on Apple Podcasts Follow this Podcast on Spotify