We Saw the Devil: Unfiltered Political Analysis

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  Lindsay Clancy & The Holdout Juror: What Massachusetts Law Actually Says & Where We Go From Here 12.09.2026 40min

  Eleven jurors voted to acquit Lindsay Clancy. One didn't. Six days later his dismissed charge, his divorce, and his eviction were on national television. He has never spoken to a reporter. He has never been named. He showed up for jury duty and then did the one thing we tell every juror to do, which is refuse to move when you don't believe it. This week the entire country argued about whether he should have been allowed in the building. Almost nobody arguing bothered to read the statute that answers it. Motions are heard September 29th.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime
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  Breaking - Gisèle Pelicot 2.0: The Men Who Knew the Guest List Was for Rape 12.09.2026 1t 30min

  This episode covers rape, drug-facilitated sexual assault, and the death of a woman. Nothing in it is graphic for the sake of being graphic. Resources are below.Late on June 25, 2026, in the small Upper Austrian town of Marchtrenk, a teenage girl finds her mother unresponsive and bleeding. Paramedics pronounce her dead at 12:44 a.m. Her husband tells police it was rough, consensual sex that went wrong. That story lasts until the autopsy.Austrian prosecutors have said on the record that she was extremely intoxicated and unable to defend herself; that her husband is under investigation for sexual abuse of a defenseless person resulting in death; that a neighbor has confessed to abusing her twice, including the night she died; and that a third man was expected to take part and did not show. Reports of a wider paid network, secret drugging, and specific chat messages.From there the episode goes to Gisèle Pelicot: the 2024 Mazan trial, the fifty-one convictions, France’s 2025 consent-based rape law, her 2026 memoir A Hymn to Life: Shame Has to Change Sides, and her daughter Caroline Darian’s still-open fight to be believed without a hard drive full of proof.Then Stockport, England, where a husband has pleaded guilty to five rapes of his unconscious wife while twelve co-defendants stand trial beside him. Then the CNN investigation into the so-called rape academy: sleep-content platforms, Telegram groups, a Polish arrest that started with an undercover reporter, Project Medusa, and the viral 62-million figure that was wrong.The Reality Check covers how common incapacitated rape is, leftover marital-rape loopholes, what actually moves cases, and the men who were invited, declined, and told no one.US: RAINN National Sexual Assault Hotline — 1-800-656-4673 / rainn.orgUS: National Domestic Violence Hotline — 1-800-799-7233 / thehotline.orgInternational resources are linked below.If you have unexplained blackouts or lost time, you can ask a doctor about testing for chemical submission. You do not have to be sure first.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime
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  The Lindsay Clancy Trial: The Jurors Speak, Reddington Makes Moves, & "Repeal the 19th" 09.09.2026 1t 17min

  The jury foreperson has a name now. Roni Carlson. She and two other women from that panel sat down with NBC10 this week and told everybody what actually went on in there for seven days, and one detail has been rattling around my skull since.The holdout admitted he had reasonable doubt.Out loud. To the room. She was so relieved she started filling out the verdict forms, all three of them, signed her name on each one. And then he said, "But I'm still not going to say that she's not guilty by reason of insanity."He wasn't confused. He got there. He walked all the way to the answer and then just declined to be moved by it, and that's the thing I can't put down, because it's the whole summer in one sentence.The rest of what those women described isn't much prettier. They said he was arrogant. Said he wouldn't engage. Said he brushed off the nurses on the panel when they walked him through the medications and the toxicology, which, if you're a woman who has ever been in a meeting, you already knew was coming.Meanwhile Kevin Reddington had a week.He went on Good Morning America and asked the President to pardon a woman facing state charges, which the President cannot do and which Reddington later admitted he knows perfectly well. I break down what that stunt was actually for and who it was actually aimed at, because it wasn't Trump.He floated a plea. He said he'd like to chat with the jurors, which is a normal thing for a lawyer to say and a slightly less normal thing to say five days after accusing one of them of perjury in open court.And before the courthouse doors shut, he announced his next client. She's charged with murdering her grandmother in North Adams and she's been sitting in a cell for nearly four years waiting for a trial. Every allegation in that case is unproven and she's pleaded not guilty, and I say so about eight times, because half the outlets covering it have already decided what it rhymes with.Also in here: the math Tim Cruz is staring at before the September 29 hearing, why a plea is probably the most humane outcome available and will satisfy nobody, and how a Brockton defense attorney became a folk hero to women who couldn't have picked him out of a lineup in July.Then the repeal-the-19th crowd, who did not go home after the mistrial and who are not who you think they are.And at the end, the boys. I went and read the actual research on raising sons who don't turn into manosphere sycophants. IF YOU NEED SUPPORTNational Maternal Mental Health Hotline: call or text 1-833-TLC-MAMA (1-833-852-6262). Free, confidential, 24/7.Postpartum Support International: 1-800-944-4773, or text "Help" to 800-944-4773. Warmline, not a crisis line. A volunteer calls you back.In crisis: dial or text 988, or text HOME to 741741.Postpartum psychosis is a medical emergency. Go to an emergency room.Support the show at patreon.com/wesawthedevil.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: 
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  The Lindsay Clancy Trial, Day 27: Holdout. 11-1 04.09.2026 32min

  A judge in Plymouth, Massachusetts spent Thursday afternoon reading twelve adults the definition of a word.Not the evidence. Not the eighty-odd witnesses. A definition. Reasonable doubt. Because a note came out of that jury room saying one person in there will not take it.Disagreeing with eleven people is allowed. That's the job. Refusing the standard itself is something else, and it's about to blow up five weeks of trial. Six days of deliberation. Thirty-six and a half hours. Split eleven to one. Judge Sullivan has already spent the dynamite charge, and under Massachusetts law he can't use it again without the jury's permission. Kevin Reddington stood up in open court and asked him to throw the holdout off the panel. Sullivan said no. They're back Friday morning. This episode: what actually happened in that courtroom Thursday, why courts almost never remove a holdout juror and why you should be glad they don't, and what a mistrial would actually mean for this case.Plus the number nobody in the discourse wants to look at. For three weeks the argument was that a jury of nine women and three men would split along sex. That prediction needed nine to three. It got eleven to one, and there is no way to reach eleven from a pool of nine women without bringing men along. And there is one thing I'm not telling you in this episode, about the identity of the holdout, and the reason why is the most important part of the whole hour.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime
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  The Lindsay Clancy Trial, Day 26: Breaking News & Everyone's Lost Their Damn Minds 02.09.2026 1t 13min

  The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders has a formal diagnosis for caffeine withdrawal.It does not have one for postpartum psychosis.That's where this episode starts, and it turns out to explain almost everything about the six weeks that followed. As I record this, the jury in Plymouth has told the judge for the second time in two days that it cannot agree on whether Lindsay Clancy was criminally responsible. Five weeks of trial. More than eighty witnesses. The judge has now read them the Tuey-Rodriguez charge, the last instruction he has, and under Massachusetts law he can't read it again without their consent. Twelve people who saw every exhibit can't get there. The internet got there in nine minutes. This episode is not about whether she's guilty. It's about the machine that spent August turning three dead children into content, and it hits everybody.The women who made this their entire personality: the pink shirts, the "Same, Lindsay" trend, a hundred and sixty-four thousand TikToks, twenty-five Etsy designs, a crowd cheering a defense attorney like he'd walked out of Selma, and a fifty-six-year-old woman arrested in a courthouse parking lot. And the men who decided the correct response to a psychiatric emergency was a constitutional amendment. A retired UFC champion who was calling to repeal the 19th two years before he'd ever heard her name. A podcaster on episode 1,825. A commentator who looked at a stranger holding her own baby and asked where CPS was. Also in here: Why parasocial defendant worship is a format and not a female pathology, and what ten thousand people mailing $290,000 to Luigi Mangione proves about that. The Andrea Yates conviction that got overturned because an expert witness testified about a Law & Order episode that had never been filmed. All 269 episodes were searched. It did not exist. Twenty-five years later, a major podcaster covering this case said out loud that he didn't need his story verified.The nine murder-suicides a week that nobody is holding a rally about, and why there is no federal database counting them. Three fathers who raised the exact defense Clancy is raising. Nobody proposed taking anyone's vote away. And the number that ends the argument: the UK has around 21 psychiatric units where a woman in this emergency is admitted with her baby. France has 15. The United States has four million births a year and zero. Six weeks of the loudest people in America screaming about dead children, and not one of them proposed a bed or a solution. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime
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  The Lindsay Clancy Trial: Verdict Watch (Day 3) & The Philadelphia House of Horrors Update 31.08.2026 57min

  Three days. Seventeen hours. Twelve jurors, five possible verdicts, and a door nobody can see behind.Day three of deliberations in the Lindsay Clancy trial ended Monday afternoon with no verdict and instructions to come back Tuesday. Robin breaks down where the case actually stands...the criminal responsibility standard, what "not guilty" would really mean here, and why the jury's request for the pill bottles and the knife tells you they're doing the work.Then the sidewalk: the pink shirts, the twenty-five-plus Etsy designs, the defense attorney fan merchandise, the free coffee at a verdict watch, and the fact that somebody bought the Duxbury house.Plus a viral post arguing that a not-guilty verdict from a nine-woman jury is grounds for repealing the Nineteenth Amendment, and the math problem that argument doesn't survive.And in Philadelphia in the House of Horrors case...fifty hard drives, five urns, four missing women, no bodies, and what investigators say they found on one of those drives this week, which is something Western media very much claims doesn't exist as a theory. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime
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  The Lindsay Clancy Trial Recap: Day 2 of Jury Deliberations 30.08.2026 1t 6min

  On Friday morning, twelve people in Plymouth, Massachusetts asked to see two things: a bag of prescription pill bottles and the knife Lindsay Clancy used on herself. That request is the entire factual content of the biggest news day in this trial since closing arguments, and within hours it had been publicly interpreted as a conviction, an acquittal, a hung jury, and a verdict coming Monday before lunch.This episode walks Friday minute by minute, then does the thing this show exists to do: separates what happened from what people needed it to mean.Also covered: the prosecution's rebuttal psychiatrist, Dr. Avram Mack, resigned from Nemours Children's Health on the same day he finished testifying, and Nemours will not say why. What that fact does and does not establish. The full evidentiary record the jury is working through, including why the central dispute is not whether Clancy was mentally ill. The five verdict options and what an insanity finding actually means in Massachusetts, which is not what the internet says it means. The sidewalk outside the courthouse, where pink t-shirts and handwritten signs reading "1st Degree MURDER" sat on benches thirty feet apart.And a Reality Check on why women are responding to this case the way they are, built on a fact most of the coverage has missed entirely: postpartum psychosis, the condition at the center of this five week trial, is not in the DSM.Recorded Sunday afternoon. The jury returns Monday at 9 a.m. Eastern. Nothing in this episode assumes a verdict.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime
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  The Lindsay Clancy Trial, Day 21 Recap: The Last Witness Broke Ranks + Closings 27.08.2026 1t 26min

  Day 21. The last day of evidence in Commonwealth v. Lindsay Clancy.Judge William Sullivan opened with a line from Henry V. Four hours later, defense attorney Kevin Reddington was reading the prosecution's own opening statement out loud to the prosecution's own final witness and asking him if he agreed with it. Dr. Gregory Saathoff, forensic psychiatrist at the University of Virginia and senior psychiatrist for the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit, said the statement minimizes what Lindsay Clancy was going through.That is the state's closer telling a jury the state's theory is too small.He also gave prosecutors the cleanest planning testimony of the trial. Both things happened the same day, from the same witness, under oath.This episode walks Day 21 in chronological order, start to finish.This episode contains discussion of child death, suicide, and psychiatric crisis.If you are struggling: call or text 988 for the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline. For postpartum mood disorders, the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline is free, confidential and available 24/7 at 1-833-TLC-MAMA.We Saw the Devil publishes three times a week.Website and full archive: wesawthedevil.com Patreon: We Saw the Devil Twitter: @wesawthedevil Instagram: @wesawthedevilpodcast TikTok: @wesawthedevilpolitics Facebook: wesawthedevil Robin on Instagram: @robin_wstdBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime
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  The Lindsay Clancy Trial, Day 20: "Committing The Act Is Not Curative Of The Voice" 26.08.2026 57min

  ***Due to time constants, this episode is unedited. Day 20 was the last full day of evidence in the Lindsay Clancy murder trial, and it was the strangest day of the whole five weeks.The morning belonged to Dr. Kirk Heilbrun, the forensic psychologist the Commonwealth hired to explain postpartum psychosis to a jury. On cross examination, Kevin Reddington established that Heilbrun last treated a patient with postpartum psychosis in 1982, has never published a word on it, wrote his only article on psychosis in 1977, and has been paid roughly $54,000 at $300 an hour.That same witness told jurors Lindsay Clancy committed what he called altruistic filicide. That she killed her three children out of love, so they would not be left behind or suffer without her after she took her own life. The prosecution has argued for five weeks that this was planned and methodical. Their own expert just told the jury it was despair.The afternoon belonged to Dr. Gregory Saathoff, forensic psychiatrist at the University of Virginia and a senior psychiatrist for the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit. He gave that jury something no witness had given them in five weeks: a moment by moment account of how Cora, Dawson and Callan died, sourced entirely to Lindsay Clancy's own words. The refrigerator. The chicken nuggets. The 5:34 phone call. The voice. The order. And then he spent the rest of the day taking it apart.We go through the whole day in order, gavel to gavel, because the order is the argument.In this episode:The Monday mistrial motion, and why "mortal sin" has now been put in front of this jury twice.Heilbrun's direct: bipolar two, peritraumatic dissociation, and the eighteen minute problem. "Why the basement. Who among the children goes first. What do you say to the kids to keep them from panicking."The cross: 1982, the $54,000, the "beast" question, the day program in Rhode Island that would not take her, and Reddington standing behind Lindsay Clancy's wheelchair.Saathoff's five attacks on the voice, including the line that is going to end up in closing arguments: "Committing the act is not curative of the voice. I've not ever seen that."Why the chicken nuggets are contested evidence and not a poignant detail.The circus outside the courthouse, the livestream, and the TikToker the defense actually tried to put on the stand.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime
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  The Lindsay Clancy Trial, Day 19: Mistrial Over "Mortal Sin" 25.08.2026 1t 9min

  Day 19 of the Lindsay Clancy murder trial in Plymouth Superior Court, and the prosecution's rebuttal case fell apart in slow motion. Forensic psychologist Dr. Kirk Heilbrun called the postpartum psychosis defense "convenient," offered the clearest alternate theory yet, and then said the words "isn't suicide a mortal sin" in front of the jury. Kevin Reddington moved for a mistrial. Judge William Sullivan denied it and then reprimanded the prosecution anyway. The jury went home early. Closing arguments are Wednesday.But the story nobody is covering is the firm. Both of the Commonwealth's rebuttal experts were retained through Park Dietz and Associates, named for the psychiatrist whose false Law & Order testimony got Andrea Yates' conviction overturned in 2005. The defense's star witness on Friday was Dr. Phillip Resnick, who was the Yates defense expert. This trial is a rematch, and the two prosecution experts cannot even agree on what is wrong with Lindsay Clancy.IN THIS EPISODEReddington takes apart Dr. Avram Mack on the DSM's four week postpartum window, the WHO's different standard, and the proposed six week revision. "Postpartum is not a disease, doctor." Mack admits it is roughly the third time in his career he has testified on criminal responsibility, and that he has treated about ten women with postpartum psychosis since 2001. On cross he concedes that blood work and thyroid testing should have been done, and as far as he can tell were not.Then the firm. Park Dietz and Associates, the Andrea Yates conviction reversal, the joint evaluation at Tewksbury, and why "two independent experts" is doing a lot of work in that sentence.Then Heilbrun. His testing found no malingering and a slight tendency to underreport symptoms. He diagnosed bipolar II, which splits the Commonwealth's own two experts. He offered "suicide combined with altruistic filicide" as the alternate theory, a theory in which love is the motive. He attacked the 18 minute voice on three fronts. And he used the word "convenient."Then the mistrial. "Intentional misconduct," Sullivan's instruction from the bench, and the second time religion has entered this trial through the prosecution's door.SOURCESBoston Globe, CBS Boston, ABC News, Boston 25 News, CNN, Fox News Digital, Court TV, and archival reporting from the Washington Post, NBC News and Psychiatric News on the 2005 Andrea Yates reversal.IF YOU NEED ITNational Maternal Mental Health Hotline: call or text 1-833-TLC-MAMA. Free, confidential, 24/7.988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline: call or text 988.Keywords: Lindsay Clancy trial, Duxbury Massachusetts, Plymouth Superior Court, postpartum psychosis, insanity defense, Kirk Heilbrun, Avram Mack, Kevin Reddington, Judge William Sullivan, Park Dietz, Andrea Yates, altruistic filicide, true crime podcast, trial coverageBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: 
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  Lindsay Clancy Trial Day 18 + Karmelo Anthony Retrial Hearing 22.08.2026 1t 22min

  The Clancy defense rests after five days and ten witnesses. The prosecution's rebuttal opens with a psychiatrist who says depression is not psychosis. And in Texas, a retired judge has until Monday to decide whether Karmelo Anthony's murder conviction still exists.First: where the Lindsay Clancy trial actually stands after Day 18, and every verdict legally on the table in Massachusetts. First degree, second degree, manslaughter, lack of criminal responsibility, hung jury. What each one actually means, why a finding of not criminally responsible does not mean she walks out the door, and the single word in the jury instruction that decides all of it.Then: the Karmelo Anthony retrial hearing in Collin County. Judge John Roach lost the case by going on television. The original murder trial was held in a room with twenty-seven public seats and no livestream, which the court administrator admitted this week was available the entire time. And the unwritten "gentleman's agreement" between prosecutors and the defense collapsed mid-trial over whether Anthony could take the stand, which is why the jury never heard from him.Both sides then opened the sealed background files on Austin Metcalf and Karmelo Anthony in open court. We cover both, and what each one legally would and would not have been allowed to prove.Content advisory: this episode covers the killing of three children and the killing of a seventeen-year-old. Part one includes what Clancy told her children during the killings, testified to publicly for the first time this week.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime
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  Lindsay Clancy Day 17 Recap: Chaplain Testimony & What the Jury Never Heard 21.08.2026 1t 11min

  Day 17 was the shortest day of the Lindsay Clancy trial and possibly the day that decides it.One witness. Sheila Cavanaugh, a board-certified chaplain at Brigham and Women's Hospital who has visited Lindsay Clancy roughly 200 times since her three children were killed. She was there the day after. She was there when they pulled the breathing tube out on January 31, 2023, and Clancy's first words were that she was glad her children were safe. And she was there when Clancy described a persistent male voice that told her if she did not follow the command, neither she nor her children would be safe.That date matters. The Commonwealth's timeline says the first report of voices came on February 6. The chaplain just moved it up six days, and the defense now has two sources placing the voice earlier than the prosecution's story allows.Then Jennifer Sprague got up and ran the sharpest cross of the week: you wrote down everything else, so why is the voice not in your notes?Outside, about 300 women in pink stood silent on the courthouse lawn in a demonstration called Stand in Peace, organized by a woman who drove down from Maine. Shirts that said "She Needed Help." Applause for a defense attorney.And after the jury went home before lunch, the lawyers stayed and had the most consequential argument of the entire trial: what instructions the jury gets. Involuntary intoxication, in or out. Involuntary manslaughter as a lesser charge, in or out. First degree, second degree, or both. Those three answers determine the shape of every possible verdict in this case, and not one juror was in the room to hear it.Plus: why Judge Sullivan pulled every juror aside individually for the first time in 17 days, what Dr. Phillip Resnick's filicide research has to do with Friday's testimony, why the Commonwealth stacking three rebuttal experts tells you something, and a Reality Check on what happens when a murder trial becomes a movement.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime
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  Lindsay Clancy Trial (Days 14-16): The Unforeseen Circumstance 20.08.2026 1t 11min

  The Lindsay Clancy trial stopped today and nobody will say why. Judge William Sullivan sent the jury home mid-afternoon citing an "unforeseen circumstance," told them not to speculate about it, and offered no further explanation. There was also an unexplained delay starting the morning. Two stoppages in one day, and no outlet has reported the cause.This episode covers three days of testimony in Plymouth Superior Court: Days 14, 15, and 16 of the trial of Lindsay Clancy, the Duxbury, Massachusetts labor and delivery nurse charged with first-degree murder in the deaths of her three children, Cora, Dawson, and Callan.Monday, the prosecution rested after 72 witnesses over 13 days. Tuesday, the defense brought its medical case. And today, forensic psychologist Dr. Paul Zeizel delivered the sentence Kevin Reddington has been building toward for four weeks: that Lindsay Clancy had a mental disease, was unable to conform her behavior to the rule of law, and had no appreciation for the wrongfulness of her act. That is the Massachusetts standard for not criminally responsible, recited almost word for word.Also covered: the Andrea Yates testimony nobody is reporting on, the prosecution asking a grandmother whether she knew murder is a mortal sin, a defense witness found on TikTok by a private investigator, McLean Hospital's staffing records entering evidence, and the suicide hotline that Lindsay Clancy called twice in December.Plus a full Reality Check on Patrick Clancy. He is not a suspect and never has been, but the trial record contains a different indictment. SOURCESAll reporting in this episode is drawn from primary trial coverage and courtroom livestreams:CBS Boston (WBZ), daily trial coverage and livestreamABC News and ABC7Boston 25 News live updatesNBC BostonThe Boston GlobeNewsweekRESOURCESIf you are pregnant or postpartum and struggling, postpartum psychosis is a medical emergency and it is treatable.988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline: call or text 988, 24 hours a dayPostpartum Support International HelpLine: 1-800-944-4773 (call or text)Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime
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  Eugene Horsch: The Philadelphia House of Horrors (Current Case) 17.08.2026 1t 6min

  Karen Riley paid a psychic to find her daughter. Not because she believed in psychics. Because after fourteen years, the psychic was the only one who would pick up the phone.Gabrielle Amarando disappeared from Philadelphia in September 2012. She was 22. Amy McHale vanished in 2016 after leaving a voicemail saying she was fine. Maribel Fresses in 2018. Blair Tonzelli in 2023. Four women, eleven years, one address in Olney, and not one of them got a task force.Here's what finally moved the Philadelphia Police Department: on June 19, 2026, a park ranger noticed a BMW parked where it shouldn't be.This episode is what was inside that car, what came out of that house, and the fifty-year career of the published pornographer who spent his life making sure nobody could ever tell what was real. That last part isn't background. It may be the reason nobody is ever convicted.Eugene Horsch is charged with guns and fake federal credentials. He has not been charged in connection with any missing woman. We explain why that gap matters more than anyone covering this case wants to admit.TIMELINESept 2012 — Gabrielle Amarando, 22, reported missing. Her mother's last contact is a Christmas Day call from a Philadelphia prison.June 2016 — Amy McHale leaves her daughter a voicemail saying she is at Ray Horsch's house and is okay. It's the last anyone hears from her.Feb 2018 — Maribel "Bella" Fresses, 27, reported missing after her father goes to Kensington to check on her.2023 — Blair Tonzelli, 35, disappears from Kensington. Last seen at the Olney house, where she had worked as a home health aide for Raymond Horsch.May 2025 — Raymond "R.C." Horsch dies of a lung condition at 82.Nov 2025 — Eugene Horsch convicted of possession with intent to distribute.June 19, 2026 — Park ranger stops a BMW on the 600 block of Market Street. Eugene Horsch arrested.June 25, 2026 — Search of 417 West Chew Avenue begins. It lasts days.June 30, 2026 — Horsch held in federal custody after initial appearance.July 9, 2026 — Federal grand jury indicts on firearms and false credentials.July 22, 2026 — Police, FBI, and the Water Department excavate the sewer line and front yard. Nothing substantial recovered.Aug 6, 2026 — Philadelphia withdraws all five state charges. Federal case proceeds.Aug 12, 2026 — Police announce footage on one hard drive appears to show Gabrielle Amarando and Maribel Fresses dead inside the house.Sept 8, 2026 — Federal trial date. Guns and badges only.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime
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  The Lindsay Clancy Trial, Day 13: Eight Minutes of Wikipedia and a Bag of Pills in the Trunk 15.08.2026 1t 24min

  On Thursday, August 13th, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts spent a morning of a triple murder trial walking a jury through a country music deep dive. Then Kevin Reddington got up and took about six questions to blow it up. Day 13 of the Lindsay Clancy trial in Plymouth Superior Court. Three witnesses: State Police Sgt. Kyle Pavao on the tablet, Sgt. Timothy Chiappini on the cellphone, and lead investigator Trooper Joshua McKelligan. Eight minutes of browser history from August 2022. Journal entries and affirmations read into the record. A note last modified the day before her children died. A bag of medication that went to the defense attorney instead of the State Police. And a prosecutor asking a judge for the visitor logs of a priest.We also do the thing half the internet is screaming about, which is who did the Googling. Carefully, on the record, with the transcript. Two separate device examinations are getting spliced together online into one theory, and the real answer is worse than the conspiracy.Plus: what postpartum psychosis actually does, why it isn't a standalone diagnosis in the DSM, the December appointment where a nurse practitioner said the words "underlying bipolar disorder" out loud, and a TikTok that tried to walk into a courtroom and got told this is not Tripadvisor.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime
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  The TikTok Jury, the Clancy Trial, and the Business of Being Sure 14.08.2026 1t 12min

  Did Patrick Clancy kill his children? No. And the Lindsay Clancy trial record says so, including in her own defense attorney's opening statement.Millions of people on TikTok and Instagram have convinced themselves that Patrick Clancy strangled Cora, Dawson, and Callan Clancy in Duxbury, Massachusetts, and framed his wife for it. This episode goes through that theory claim by claim against the actual trial evidence: the surveillance footage, the CVS and ThreeV timeline, the 911 call, the medical records, and the sworn testimony.Robin covers what Kevin Reddington really said in his opening statement, the "he changed his shoes" theory, what the twelve unaccounted minutes before CVS do and do not prove, who actually sent Patrick out for the takeout order that night, and why Patrick Clancy's remarriage happened three years and three months after the killings, not three months.She also covers the part almost nobody is clipping: Lindsay Clancy's MyChart messages to her psychiatric nurse practitioner in the weeks before her children died, and what happened when she reported intrusive thoughts she had never had before.Facts, filings, and transcripts. No conspiracy theories.Questions discussed in this episode:Did Patrick Clancy kill his children?Did Lindsay Clancy's lawyer admit she killed her kids?Did Patrick Clancy change his shoes between CVS and ThreeV?What are the twelve missing minutes in the Patrick Clancy timeline?Did Patrick Clancy send an email from home at 5:24?When did Patrick Clancy remarry, and who is Rachel Danis?Is Kevin Reddington secretly building a case against Patrick Clancy?Why did a judge say "this is not Tripadvisor" during the Lindsay Clancy trial?Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime
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  Lindsay Clancy Trial, Day 11: "This Is Not Tripadvisor" 12.08.2026 1t 15min

  On December 20th, 2022, a doctor at Women and Infants Hospital in Providence looked at Lindsay Clancy's medication list and decided she was too medicated to safely enter their postpartum program. That doctor picked up a phone and called the nurse practitioner prescribing them. Nobody answered. Nobody called back. Thirty-five days later her three children were dead.Today that nurse practitioner testified, and Kevin Reddington read her the note.Day 11 in Plymouth Superior Court, on what happened to be Lindsay Clancy's 36th birthday. Julie Paul retook the stand and got a one-minute cross that was more devastating than any of the grillings that came before it. Rebecca Jollotta, the psychiatric nurse practitioner who inherited Clancy's care in November 2022, spent nearly the entire day answering for a treatment record she only ever saw a fraction of. And before the jury walked in, Judge William Sullivan heard argument on whether a former McLean Hospital social worker who posted about the trial on TikTok can testify about holiday staffing on a psychiatric unit.I go through the MyChart messages Clancy sent her provider in December, in her own words, in real time. I go through the bipolar question and the 5K that nobody knew about. And I get into the detail nobody else is covering: Jollotta could not get her patient's psychiatrist notes, could not get the McLean records, and did not know about fourteen psychiatric appointments, but she could pull every controlled substance Clancy had ever been dispensed in Massachusetts in about ninety seconds. We built one interoperable health database in this country. We built the one that watches you.Also in here: why blaming HIPAA for this is a myth, with the actual regulation cited. Why there are five inpatient perinatal psychiatric programs in the entire United States and forty-five states have none. And why every provider on that witness stand is also a defendant in a civil suit over the same care.***This episode is not editedBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime
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  The Lindsay Clancy Trial, Day 10 Recap: The Comma That Could Decide This Case 11.08.2026 1t 43min

  Lindsay Clancy trial Day 10 recap. Her psychiatrist, Dr. Jennifer Tufts, testified for five hours and revealed she treated Clancy fourteen times over five months without ever meeting her in person, never pulled her psychiatric hospital records, and never knew about two crisis line calls. Then the entire trial turned on an argument about a comma. Robin breaks down every witness, what the Commonwealth is actually required to prove under Massachusetts law, why the jury is not entertaining any theory about Patrick Clancy, and a verdict prediction based on where the evidence stands after Day 10.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime
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  The Lindsay Clancy Trial Week 2: "Without Psychotic Features" (Part 2) 08.08.2026 57min

  Part 2 of Week 2. Twenty seven internet theories about Patrick Clancy, taken apart against the trial record, and the real critique of him that's been sitting in the transcript the whole time.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime
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  The Lindsay Clancy Trial Week 2: "Without Psychotic Features" (Part 1) 08.08.2026 1t 14min

  A McLean psychiatrist admitted she has never treated a case of postpartum psychosis. Week 2 of the Lindsay Clancy trial, day by day: the journals, the stipulation, the missing fingerprints, the autopsy, and the doctors. Part 1 of 2.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime