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  Disconnecting from Big Tech, Real Email Solutions, & Long Island Slang with Andrea Cannavina 17.09.2026 57min

  Jared starts off by heavily criticizing the toxicity of John Morgan's employee surveillance policies at Morgan & Morgan.Next, Andrea Cannavina joins us to explain how the push-pull mechanics of early mobile tech shaped modern digital addiction.  Andrea advises lawyers to thoroughly read software Terms of Service to avoid becoming the product, breaks down why AI output degrades over time, and shares her triad of office processes (DAFT, Control Journal, and Uncalendaring) to tame email and protect mental capacity. She also previews her unique, live-streaming, screen-free podcast, From Paper to Portals.Learn more about Andrea Cannavina.Subscribe to Andrea's new podcast From Paper to Portals.Check out our latest Spotify playlist.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Monologue: Law Firm Spy Games & Morgan & Morgan's Remote Work Surveillance (07:07) - Interview: Meet Andrea Cannavina, "The Law Firm Therapist" (08:08) - The 2007 Tech Landscape: Palm Pilots, WebOS, & Push vs. Pull Technology (11:38) - Digital Disconnect Days & The Addiction of Modern Smartphones (14:22) - Cloud Computing, Private Equity, & Reading Your Tech Terms of Service (23:27) - The Reality of AI: Why ChatGPT Degrades and the Truth About Tokens (27:57) - Becoming the Law Firm Therapist: Why Attorneys Need Process Consulting (32:42) - How Email "Push" Tech Destroyed Work-Life Boundaries for Lawyers & Staff (36:43) - The 3-Step Process: DAFT, Control Journals, & Uncalendaring (39:05) - Announcing the "From Paper to Portals" Screen-Free Podcast (40:40) - Counter Program: Regional Slang ("StuffLong Islanders Say") (42:30) - "Chopped Meat," "Waiting Online," & The First US Supermarket (50:47) - Up Island vs. Down Island & The Economics of Long Island (54:24) - The "Bag Speck" Deli Order & The Secret to NY Bagels (56:26) - Outro & "Boomers (Songs About Explosions)" Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.
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  Let's Get It On: Charging Your True Worth, PITA Clients, & Imposter Syndrome with Vanessa Ugatti 10.09.2026 1t 10min

  Jared Correia opens with an in-depth retrospective on the legendary Marvin Gaye. He traces Gaye's multi-faceted career from his early days as an aspiring jazz crooner and Motown hitmaker to his iconic duet era with Tammi Terrell, his groundbreaking protest album What's Going On, his sexy late-period reinventions, and his tragic death.  In the interview, Author and True Worth Expert Vanessa Ugatti joins host Jared Correia to explore the psychology behind lawyers’ fee conversations and client boundaries and how self-worth affects what they charge, the boundaries they set, and ultimately the revenue they generate.Then it's time for the Counter Program with "The Internet Pricing Cavalcade of Fun and Danger," where Vanessa guesses prices for absurd online products ranging from a James Bond Florida mansion to dinosaur chicken nugget throw pillows.Learn more about Vanessa Ugatti.Check out her book.Listen to this episode's Spotify playlist.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Monologue: The Life, Art, and Legacy of Marvin Gaye (Part 1: Jazz Singer) (06:32) - Motown Hits, Songwriting, & Hitsville USA (09:20) - The Duets Era & Tammi Terrell's Tragic Story (14:33) - What’s Going On: The Birth of a Protest Album (19:26) - Let’s Get It On, Sexual Healing, & Late Career (21:33) - Personal Struggles, Tragic Death, & Reprise (25:43) - Interview: Meet Legal Pricing Expert Vanessa Ugatti (28:32) - Mindset & Self-Worth: The Psychology Behind Fees (33:46) - The True Worth Formula & Eliminating "PITA" Clients (46:45) - Setting Client Boundaries & Charging Premium Rates (52:58) - Fee Adjustments, Inflation, & How to Get Paid Your True Worth (56:26) - Counter Program: "The Internet Pricing Cavalcade of Fun and Danger" (01:09:01) - Outro & "Marvin Gaye Favorites" Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.
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  Practicing at the Top of Your License & The Future of Legal Intake with Joey Organisciak 03.09.2026 59min

  Jared Correia opens with a strategic breakdown of why managing attorneys must practice at the top of their law license. He details a three-tier task delegation framework—Administrative, Low-Level Substantive, and High-Level Substantive—explaining how structured workflows and non-attorney incentive systems maximize revenue and employee satisfaction.  For the interview, Case Compass CEO Joey Organisciak reflects on his career, spanning Apple during the launch of the iPad, composing marching band music, and scaling MedTech startups. Joey explains why legal intake is an underserved discipline in practice management, how Case Compass focuses exclusively on pure intake and landlord-tenant automation, and why he views current AI valuations as an overinflated bubble.  We wrap it up with the Counter Program, where Joey spins "The Wheel of Justice."Click here to learn more about Joey Organisciak and Case Compass.Check out this episode's Spotify playlist.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Monologue: Practicing at the Top of Your Law License (02:38) - The 3 Tiers of Law Firm Tasks & Workflow Delegation (07:05) - HR, C-Suite Staffing, & Non-Attorney Incentive Structures (09:35) - Interview: Meet Joey Organisciak, CEO of Case Compass (10:33) - Working at Apple (2008–2013) & The Launch of the iPad (13:31) - Music Composition, Computer Science, & Marching Band Scoring (17:24) - Transitioning into MedTech, Telehealth, & Digital Health Startups (25:40) - Co-Founding Sandbox Union & Knowledge-Sharing Leadership Lessons (29:53) - What Case Compass Does: Pure Intake OS & Landlord-Tenant Tech (35:47) - Overinflated AI Valuations, Compute Costs, & Legal Tech Hype (45:08) - Counter Program: "The Wheel of Justice" Trivia & Random Q&A (58:05) - Outro & "Alliterative Songs" Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.
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  The Future of Local SEO for Lawyers & AI Search Strategies with Phil Rozek 27.08.2026 58min

  Jared Correia opens with a nostalgic look back at network television, the loss of TV monoculture, and NBC's forgotten 2012 high-concept drama Awake starring Jason Isaacs.  In the guest interview, Phil Rozek, CEO of Local Visibility System, breaks down the fundamentals of local search for law firms and location-bound businesses. Phil discusses how attorneys should adapt to Google AI Overviews, why foundational local SEO strategy remains unkillable, the ROI of YouTube long-form content vs. traditional social platforms, and the crucial trade-offs between hiring an industry-specialist versus a generalist SEO vendor.  We close out in the Counter Program with "Fill-Ins," a retro TV trivia game testing Phil on famous sitcom recasting decisions across classics like The Dukes of Hazzard, Bewitched, The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, and Roseanne.Learn more about Phil Rozek and the Local Visibility System.Check out our latest Spotify playlist.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Monologue: Sitcoms, the Death of Monoculture, & Awake (2012) (01:12) - The Evolution of TV: Live Broadcasts, VCRs, & Sitcom Golden Age (05:32) - Prestige TV, Network Dramas, & NBC’s Forgotten Drama Awake (10:55) - Interview: Meet Phil Rozek, CEO of Local Visibility System (11:54) - What Is Local Search & Why It Matters for Law Firms (16:54) - Google AI Overviews, Search Trends, & Adapting Your SEO (23:17) - Systematizing SEO: One-Time Setup vs. Ongoing Maintenance (27:14) - YouTube vs. Social Media for Legal Marketing & Local Visibility (34:49) - Reddit, Quora, and the Degradation of Answer Engine SEO (39:35) - How Lawyers Should Choose an SEO Vendor (Specialist vs. Omnivore) (44:13) - Counter Program: "Fill-Ins" Sitcom Recasting Trivia (57:08) - Outro & "Sitcom Theme Songs" Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.
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  AI Infrastructure, Legal Tech Growth, and Becoming Phoenix with Melissa Rogozinski 20.08.2026 1t 5min

  Jared Correia opens by explaining how managing attorneys can easily build internal professional development and training hubs using existing cloud drives, CLE archives, and mentorship structures to improve lawyer retention.In the interview, RPC Strategies CEO Melissa Rogozinski joins Jared to discuss her work helping operationalize an edge data center startup designed to power the future of AI. She dives deep into her memoir, Becoming Phoenix: A Fiery Memoir, reflecting on her survival of a public sexual assault by a lawyer, holding perpetrators accountable, and speaking out against toxic dynamics in the legal industry. Melissa also details how she launched the viral ESI Round Table eDiscovery education series, expanding it to nine cities and over 300 programs.In the Counter Program, we play a round of "Autobiographical," a memoir-themed trivia game where Melissa achieves the show's first-ever perfect score.Learn more about Rogo and RPC Strategies.Buy Rogo's new book Becoming Phoenix: A Fiery Memoir.And listen to this week's Spotify Playlist.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Monologue: Building In-House Professional Development Programs (03:19) - Sourcing Templates, CLE Archives, and Setting Up Mentorship Hubs (07:16) - Interview: Meet Melissa Rogozinski, CEO of RPC Strategies (09:47) - "Lawyers in Pompeii" & Building AI Edge Data Center Infrastructure (14:08) - Becoming Phoenix: Writing an Unfiltered Memoir After Epic Crises (26:50) - Facing Trauma, Accountability, and Speaking Out in the Legal Industry (37:05) - Navigating Gender Dynamics and Insecurity in Business Settings (40:37) - Sourcing the ESI Round Table & Scaling to 300+ eDiscovery Programs (48:27) - Counter Program: "Autobiographical" Memoir Trivia (01:04:08) - Outro & "Biographical Songs" Spotify Playlist
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  Why Cookie-Cutter Workflows Fail Law Firms & AI Marketing Strategies with Russell Matson 13.08.2026 1t

  Off-the-shelf, cookie-cutter workflows fail modern law practices. Jared breaks down how managing partners must channel their experience to draft bespoke standard operating procedures (SOPs) tailored to their specific firm culture and client intake before locking them into legal management software.In the guest interview, Jared sits down with Russell Matson, former criminal defense attorney turned marketing and local SEO consultant. Russell discusses how artificial intelligence platforms like Claude, ChatGPT, and Gemini are reshaping online visibility for lawyers. He shares strategies for criminal defense practice, including hyper-specific niche targeting (like old warrants and leaving the scene of an accident), collecting authentic Google reviews, and setting up simple, voice-driven AI stacks for maximum efficiency. Russell also reflects on his shift from courtroom litigation to entrepreneurship, poker, and traveling New England.  The episode concludes in the Counter Program with a look into Russell’s past as a fire-eating punk band frontman ("High Stepping Seafood"), followed by "The Norm Macdonald Hour"—a trivia gauntlet covering the late comedian’s iconic career.Learn more about Russell.Check out our latest Spotify Playlist.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Monologue: Why Law Firms Need Bespoke Workflows & SOPs (03:06) - Overcoming Cookie-Cutter Processes and Implementing Legal Tech (05:38) - Interview: Meet Russell Matson, Criminal Defense Marketing Consultant (09:22) - Niche Marketing Across New England's Criminal District Courts (14:12) - "Criminal Defense Marketing Using AI" & Navigating LLM Search Engines (19:25) - Distinct Quirks of Criminal Defense: Court Appointments & In-Person Presence (23:29) - Leveraging Hyper-Specific Niches & Old Warrant Search Strategies (29:42) - Launching a Law Practice in 2026: Google Reviews & Simple AI Stacks (36:13) - Transitioning from Trial Lawyer to Entrepreneurship, Poker, & Freedom (40:24) - Counter Program: Punk Bands, Juggling, and "The Norm Macdonald Hour" Trivia (58:22) - Outro & "Russells and/or Norms" Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.
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  Jimothy the Raccoon, Crisis Litigation, and Fixing Federal Courts with Adam Hersh 06.08.2026 1t

  Jared Correia kicks off this episode with a deep dive into internet-famous animals, tracing viral legends from Jimothy the short-spined Seattle raccoon and Punch the macaque to Moo Deng, Shoebert the Beverly harbor seal, and Tillman the skateboarding dog.In the interview segment, Jared speaks with Adam Hersh, founder and principal of Blue Chip Law. Adam shares how his early experience in-house at a biotech company shaped his business-first legal mindset, explaining why lawyers should facilitate deals rather than act as roadblocks. The conversation turns to "crisis litigation," where Adam details how attorneys must balance traditional courtroom strategy with the court of public opinion. He also argues that the federal diversity jurisdiction threshold of $75,000—which hasn't been updated since 1996—is severely outdated, proposing higher jurisdictional limits and early damage estimates to streamline litigation. Finally, Adam breaks down how Florida's statutory non-binding arbitration can drastically cut costs for mid-tier business disputes.We wrap it up with a hilarious game of "What Would Florida Man Do?", testing Adam on absurd real-life crime stories involving scuba-diving burglars, Smokey the Bear sign thieves, and gerbils in leopard-print onesies.Learn more about Adam and Blue Chip Law.Check out this episode's Spotify playlist.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Monologue: Viral Internet Animals & Jimothy the Seattle Raccoon (08:43) - Interview: Meet Adam Hersh of Blue Chip Law (14:05) - Business-First Mindset: Moving from In-House Biotech to Private Practice (23:01) - Navigating Crisis Litigation & Courts of Public Opinion (32:19) - Why the $75K Federal Diversity Jurisdiction Threshold is Broken (38:23) - Requiring Early Proof of Damages in High-Stakes Cases (41:49) - Leveraging Statutory Non-Binding Arbitration to Cut Litigation Costs (46:42) - Counter Program: "What Would Florida Man Do?" Trivia Game (59:11) - Outro and Animal-Themed Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.
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  Backlinks, Brand Mentions, and the Death of Traditional SEO with David Arato 30.07.2026 49min

  Is generic AI content ruining law firm marketing? Host Jared Correia opens with a breakdown of how busy attorneys can leverage outside vendors while creating authentic, lawyer-forward content across niche channels without blowing up their billable hour targets. Jared lays out a practical framework for carving out focused marketing time blocks, maintaining high efficiency, and avoiding "AI slop."Then, Lexicon Legal Content Founder & CEO David Arato joins the show to discuss the evolving landscape of Search Engine Optimization (SEO), Answer Engine Optimization (AEO), and Google AI Overviews. David breaks down why "zero effort content has zero value", how search algorithms evaluate legal content under YMYL (Your Money Your Life) and EEAT (Experience, Expertise, Authority, Trust) standards, and why modern AI visibility relies heavily on third-party PR mentions rather than traditional technical hacks. He also details Lexicon's strategic B2B pivot from white-label agency work to direct law firm partnerships.The episode finishes with a round of the Counter Program, where David tests his regional knowledge in "Shit Coloradans Say"—decoding terms like "flannel blind," "Blucifer," "Trustafarians," and the culinary reality of Rocky Mountain oysters.Learn more about David and Lexicon Legal Content.Check out this episode's Spotify playlist.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Monologue: Authentic Marketing & Content Strategies for Busy Lawyers (02:12) - 3 Steps to Specialize, Schedule, and Scale Law Firm Marketing (07:34) - Interview: Meet David Arato, Founder of Lexicon Legal Content (10:05) - Overcoming AI Panic & Why "Zero Effort Content Has Zero Value" (16:52) - Decoding Google's EEAT, YMYL, and Avoiding Scaled Content Penalties (22:22) - Information Gain, AEO, and Ranking in AI Overviews (25:19) - Omnichannel Marketing: Turning Legal Blogs into Social Video Shorts (28:37) - Backlinks vs. Brand Mentions: Why AI Visibility Looks Like PR (33:19) - Lexicon 2.0: Pivoting from White-Label B2B to Direct Law Firm Partnering (36:51) - Counter Program: "Shit Coloradans Say" Trivia & Mountain Slang (48:13) - Outro and "Find Your Mountains" Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.
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  Navigating Utah’s Legal Landscape with Kurt London + Boston's Debut Album & Rock Trivia 23.07.2026 1t 2min

  Jared Correia kicks off the episode with a deep-dive track analysis of Boston's legendary 1976 self-titled debut album. Jared explores how multi-instrumentalist Tom Scholz spent nearly a decade in his Watertown, Massachusetts basement meticulously engineering a multi-platinum, pop-rock masterpiece without label interference. From the progressive organ riffs of "Foreplay/Long Time" to the classic rock hooks of "Peace of Mind" and "More Than a Feeling," Jared breaks down why this 40-minute record remains one of the greatest debut albums in music history.  In the guest segment, Jared sits down with Kurt London, managing partner of London Harker Injury Law. Kurt shares his wild origin story, explaining how a severe motorcycle crash at age 25—and a terrible experience dealing with insurance adjusters without an attorney—inspired him to dedicate his life to personal injury law. Kurt provides actionable insights on starting a personal injury firm, mapping out 6-to-12-month capital runways, finding the right business partner, and navigating Utah’s evolving legal tech landscape and sunsetting regulatory sandbox.Learn more about Kurt London and London Harker Injury Law.Check out this week's Spotify playlist.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Monologue: Perfect Albums Recap and Introducing Boston's 1976 Debut (04:31) - Tom Scholz, MIT Engineering, and Recording in a Watertown Basement (08:38) - Track Breakdown: Foreplay/Long Time, Let Me Take You Home Tonight & Smokin' (16:20) - Analyzing "More Than a Feeling," "Peace of Mind," and "Something About You" (23:00) - Interview: Meet Kurt London of London Harker Injury Law (28:08) - Selecting the Best Legal Conferences and Pitch-Slap Traps (30:26) - Kurt's Motorcycle Crash Origin Story and Why He Built an Injury Firm (37:15) - Navigating Utah's Legal Scene, Silicon Slopes, and the Sunsetting ABS Sandbox (39:46) - How to Launch a Personal Injury Practice and Build a 12-Month Runway (46:40) - Vetting AI Demand Letters and Environmental Impacts in Utah (50:41) - Counter Program: The Rock Shrine and "The Rock Trivia" Gauntlet (01:01:44) - Outro and Dunkin-Inspired Boston Rock Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.
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  Deconstructing Harvey's $11 Billion Valuation and Navigating a Bar Grievance with Suzanne Thompson 16.07.2026 52min

  Is AI giant Harvey making a genius play or risking a catastrophic, public collapse? Host Jared Correia dissects the company’s high-stakes gamble to build its own frontier AI model to break free from outside vendors and control its own training data. Then, Chief Bar Counsel Suzanne Thompson steps into the studio to strip the fear away from bar grievances. From the strict rules governing non-refundable fees and bartering legal work to managing automated tech supervision and executing honest mistake remediation, Suzanne provides a clear roadmap for professional compliance. Stick around for the Counter Program to see if an outsider can decode authentic Maine slang.Learn more about Suzanne Thompson.Check out our latest Spotify playlist.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Monologue: The 1950 Movie "Harvey" and Legal Tech AI Valuations (02:03) - Deconstructing Harvey's OpenAI Reliance and the Frontier LLM Bet (04:04) - Controlling Training Data and the Innovation Lag in Legal Software (07:14) - Interview: Meet Suzanne Thompson of the Maine Board of Overseers (08:57) - The Mechanics of Self-Regulation, Burnout, and Alternative Discipline (13:14) - Trust Accounting, IOLTA Funds, and Insufficient Fund Notifications (14:51) - Transitioning from Shakespeare Scholar to Family Law Practice (21:01) - The Thorny Ethics of Non-Refundable Retainers and Reasonableness Rules (25:07) - Bartering Legal Work: Trading Contracts for Goats and Valuing Input (28:36) - AI Ethics: Disclaimers, Duty to Prospective Clients, and Supervision (33:02) - Why the Core Ethics Rules Adequately Handle Modern Artificial Intelligence (35:36) - The Power of Remediation: How to Properly Respond to a Bar Grievance (39:03) - Counter Program: "Shit Real Mainers Say" Trivia Gauntlet (47:41) - Unpacking "From Away" Status, Maine Maple Sunday, and Oyster Festivals (51:26) - Outro: "Main Event" Spotify Playlist and Harvey Outtakes Click here to view the episode transcript.
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  Landing Legal Speaking Gigs and Build Domain Authority | MCLE New England 09.07.2026 1t 20min

  In this special episode, host Jared Correia partners with MCLE New England to decode the exact strategy lawyers need to deploy to secure high-visibility speaking engagements, build domain authority, and generate massive referral networks. Bruce Richard, Director at MCLE New England, breaks down the inner workings of CLE selection, revealing that his organization coordinates over 360 programs annually and is constantly hunting for fresh educational curriculum and proactive legal voices. Bruce shares his direct access channel for any attorney ready to pitch a program topic.Stepping up to the microphone, an elite panel of veteran presenters share their diverse shortcuts and real-world execution strategies for commanding the legal stage:Victoria Santoro (Santoro & Gray) reflects on the brutal workload of balancing a new law firm launch with serving as the immediate past President of the Massachusetts Bar Association. She reveals how her early marketing blog, "The Limber Lawyer," built an authentic brand identity, and emphasizes that joining volunteer bar section councils is the fastest track to getting noticed by major CLE decision-makers.Pete Jamieson (Hastings, Jamieson Lipschutz Family Law Group) charts his unique path from a mailroom clerk to managing highly technical marital asset division and tax algorithms. Pete explains how his background in the performing arts shaped his courtroom delivery and details why attorneys must ditch text-heavy slide decks in favor of high-energy pacing, unique handouts, and well-placed engagement tools like GIFs.Gabriel Cheong (Infinity Law Group) shares how he scaled his practice by transitioning fully to fixed-fee divorce litigation models and developing proprietary guideline apps for family court judges. Gabriel provides a brilliant masterclass in speaker positioning, explaining how he cornered the legal market early by establishing himself as an expert in tech-adjacent business frameworks rather than competing in crowded substantive fields.Jennifer Mikels (Goulston & Storrs) pulls back the curtain on her high-stakes trial practice defending fellow lawyers in professional liability, ethics, and partnership conflicts. Jen shares a vital warning regarding a recent business litigation court ruling that denied a lawyer entry on a pro hac vice basis due to unvetted AI hallucinations. She outlines how to systematically collaborate with internal advisory committees to seamlessly refresh recurring CLE topics.The episode ends with a showdown in the Counter Program as Tori Santoro and Bruce Richard square off for a round of "How Broke Am I?".Interested in finding a speaking opportunity?  Reach out to MCLE New England, your local bar or local CLE organization.Check out our Spotify playlist for this episode.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Monologue: Partnering with MCLE New England to Land Legal Speaking Gigs (01:29) - Bruce Richard on Coordinating 360 Annual Programs and Pitching CLE Ideas (02:43) - Quebec Nordiques Hockey Logos and Powder Blue Jerseys (04:30) - Victoria Santoro on Bar Association Leadership and "The Limber Lawyer" Blog (11:07) - Utilizing Volunteer Organizations as a Springboard for Referral Networks (16:40) - Pete Jamieson on Transitioning From Mailroom Clerk to Complex Asset Math (21:35) - Ditching Boring PowerPoints and Injecting Personality into CLE Presentations (28:53) - Old Old-Fashioned Drink Mixology and Silicone Cube Trays (31:54) - Gabriel Cheong on Acquiring Practices and Transitioning to Fixed-Fee Litigation (35:48) - Building Child Support Apps and Dominating Tech-Adjacent Speaking Niches (46:44) - Jennifer Mikels on Legal Malpractice Defense and the "ER of Law" (48:13) - Breaking Down AI Hallucination Punishments and Court Entry Denials (52:04) - Collaborating with MCLE Advisory Committees to Get in the Speaker Rolodex (01:01:08) - Counter Program: Tori Santoro vs. Bruce Richard on "How Broke Am I?" (01:18:12) - Outro, Grillos Pickles, and the All-Bands Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.
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  Unlocking the Legal Latent Market with Beau Atkins 02.07.2026 1t 3min

  Beau Atkins, CEO of Evolve Family Law, joins the program to share how his firm is completely disrupting the Canadian legal ecosystem from the province of Saskatchewan. Putting himself through law school working as a construction tile setter, Beau realized that the trade philosophy of quoting an exact price up front for a project was directly applicable to legal services. He details how his practice operates entirely on customized flat fees—even for highly volatile litigation—by quoting incrementally as far as the firm can see and transparently managing out-of-scope adjustments. Furthermore, Beau pulls back the curtain on how he captures the massive 80% legal latent market, why traditional firms charging standard billable hours for immediate AI workflows are bordering on fraud, and how his new AI virtual reception platform systematically eliminates inbound interruptions to preserve an attorney's peak flow state.The Calzone Flight Crisis — Jared recounts the grueling structural failure of his digestive system after eating heavy dairy before boarding a cross-country flight.The Tile-Setting Pricing Model — Beau breaks down why selling certainty and peace of mind means abandoning the billable hour in favor of predictable, upfront project pricing.The Canadian Sandbox Advantage — How small-scale regulatory settings and regional mobility agreements allow midwestern Canadian firms to experiment heavily with alternative frameworks and document workflows.Protecting the Dome of Concentration — The empirical data behind why every minor phone interruption costs an associate 22 minutes of productivity and how automation seals that drain.The Wheel of Justice Canada Edition — A chaotic trivia gauntlet diving into Drake vs. Kendrick, strategic maple syrup reserves, regional anomalies in Alberta, and the culinary science of ketchup chips.Click here to learn more about Evolve Law.And take a listen to this week's Spotify playlist.Click here to watch a video of this episode. Follow more shows on Legal Broadcasting Company. And be sure to follow onAppleSpotify.Jared's LinkedInWe're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Monologue: Travels with Jared and the 2002 Las Vegas Travel Log (01:44) - Southwest Airlines Seating and a Harrowing Calzone Flight Disaster (04:15) - The 2002 San Diego World Cup and Fenton Marketplace Mark Twain Statue (06:01) - Qualcomm Stadium Baseball Memories and the Drive to Vegas (08:37) - New York, New York Rollercoasters and the Spearmint Rhino Trip (12:05) - Kaleidoscope Conference and Meet Beau Atkins of Evolve Family Law (15:29) - Saskatchewan Regulatory Sandboxes and Signing the Historical Book (20:48) - Transitioning from Law School Tile Setter to Entrepreneurial Lawyer (24:19) - The Tile-Setting Philosophy: Bringing Flat Fee Certainty to Family Law (32:11) - Building Canada's First National Family Law Practice via Mobility Rules (33:41) - Capturing the 80% Latent Legal Market and the Reality of AI Billing Fraud (37:26) - Finding Family Law Associates and Segmenting Firm Production Roles (41:43) - Simone Agentic: Building an AI Virtual Receptionist to Protect the Flow State (44:57) - Escaping the Legal Tech Price Gouge and Managing a Firm Inside Claude (46:58) - Counter Program: Wheel of Justice Canada Edition Trivia Game (01:02:34) - Outro and the Viva Las Vegas Spotify Playlist Outtake Click here to view the episode transcript.
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  Fixing Legal Time Tracking Mistakes and the Real Role of a Fractional CFO with Leah Miller 25.06.2026 52min

  Jared tackles the absolute mortal enemy of modern law firm revenue: time lag. Most law practices operate under a withered leak of unrecorded hours, improper invoice structures, and delayed payment processing workflows that effectively shrink their overall pocketbooks. Jared maps out the exact electronic infrastructures, cloud-based applications, and KPI metrics managers need to systematically deploy to ensure every fraction of an hour is recorded contemporaneously.Stepping into the financial studio, Leah Miller, Founder and CEO of Firmly Profits, joins the conversation to bridge the massive gap between pure legal chaos and forward-looking data models. Climbing the ranks from a trial paralegal to running a multi-million-dollar firm's infrastructure at just 26 years old, Leah exposes the danger of making operational decisions based purely on gut reactions or checking a checking account balance. She highlights the core functional differences between a basic bookkeeper, a corporate CPA, and a forward-looking fractional CFO, mapping out how personal injury and litigation firms can successfully iron out wild revenue volatility using historical averages, "time on desk" pipelines, and meticulous three-way trust reconciliations.The Time Capture Drain — Why relying on paper logs completely tanks law firm realization rates and how to design explicit tech policies to stabilize tracking.Forward-Looking Legal Strategy — The strategic blueprint behind fractional CFO consulting and why firms pulling in $2M to $20M shouldn't let cash-hoarding anxiety hold back scaling hires.Trust Ledger Realities — Leah delivers a stern warning about compliance: if you cannot instantly pull clean three-way reconciliations and client ledger records, your firm has a major systemic vulnerability.The "Horse Feathers" Battle — A high-stakes trivia showdown parsing pop culture anomalies, historical financial legends, and weird animal facts.Learn more about Leah and Firmly Profits.Check out this week's Spotify playlist.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Check out the new Legal Broadcasting Company: https://legalbroadcastingcompany.comAnd be sure to subscribe:Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/legal-late-night/id1809201251Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0Rkik0LLMaU6u0e7AKfK9hJared's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaredcorreia(00:00) - Monologue: Time Capture Siphons and Billable Hours (02:55) - Agnostic Cloud Tracking and Automated AI Logs (03:47) - Overcoming Time Lag and Shifting Away From Paper (04:46) - Building In-Office Timekeeping Policies and KPI Management (07:07) - Interview: Meet Leah Miller, Founder of Firmly Profits (09:10) - Equestrian Passions and "Diamond Sparkles" the Pony (10:47) - Chaos Management: Climbing From Paralegal to CFO at Age 26 (16:41) - Bet On Yourself: The Pivot to Founding Firmly Profits (19:45) - Breaking Down Bookkeepers vs CPAs vs CFOs (22:01) - Cashflow Forecasting and Metrics for Personal Injury Firms (25:24) - Red Flags: Bank Account Decision-Making and Founder Structures (27:56) - Navigating Profit & Loss Buckets and Baseline Expenses (29:44) - The Hard Truth About Trust Accounting & Three-Way Reconciliations (34:25) - Understanding "Time on Desk" Metrics Across Firm Models (35:44) - The Flat Fee vs. Hourly Billing Battleground (40:21) - Counter Program: The "Horse Feathers" Two Truths and a Lie Game (50:53) - Outro and the "True Tunes" Spotify Playlist Outtake Click here to view the episode transcript.
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  Why 60 Percent of Law Firm Phone Calls Fail and the History of Weird Jobs | with Tony Prieto 18.06.2026 1t 2min

  Jared kicks things off with a deep-dive monologue into Michael Penn's brilliant but highly obscure 1989 power-pop album, March. From navigating life as Sean Penn's brother to winning an MTV Video Music Award, Michael Penn briefly captured a flawless sonic time capsule right before Nirvana's grunge revolution shifted consumer tastes forever. Jared breaks down why this quirky, instrumentation-heavy record remains a perfect alternative pop artifact of a bygone musical era.Transitioning from pop history to the frontline mechanics of law firm revenue, Tony Prieto, Marketing Strategist at Answering Legal, joins the show to expose the multi-million dollar mistakes holding modern firms back. Shockingly, industry data reveals that up to 60% of legal phone calls go completely unanswered, and a vast majority of practices lack any structured follow-up architecture to secure high-value personal injury and litigation leads within the vital 24-hour window. Tony maps out why relying strictly on fully automated AI answering services leaves vulnerable clients stranded in the "uncanny valley" and outlines how treating front-desk staff as "first impression officers" radically transforms conversion rates.Learn more about Tony Prieto and Answering Legal.Check out this week's Spotify Playlist.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Monologue: Michael Penn's March and Obscure Perfect Albums (03:01) - Music Videos, Seinfeld Shirts, and Alternative Pop Outliers (14:35) - Smells Like Teen Spirit and the Demise of Traditional Pop Output (18:14) - Interview: Tony Prieto on Avoiding the Law School Track (21:59) - Econ Majors, Japanese Literature, and Joining Answering Legal (26:59) - The Real Cost of Missed Inbound Calls for Personal Injury Lawyers (28:36) - Vetting the AI "Uncanny Valley" in Virtual Legal Reception (30:09) - Exposing the Two Biggest Mistakes in Law Firm Intake (32:20) - Avoiding LinkedIn and the Struggle of Social Media Self-Promotion (34:48) - New-Wave Horror Cinema and The Legal Intake Experts Podcast (43:18) - Transforming Front-Desk Staff into First Impression Officers (48:32) - Counter Program: The Historical "Take This Job" Trivia Game (01:01:04) - Outro and the Michael Penn All-Star Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.
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  Kirkland and Ellis's Half Billion Dollar AI Play and Taly Goody on Building a Niche Law Firm 11.06.2026 57min

  Kirkland and Ellis decided to drop a cool half-billion dollars on a proprietary artificial intelligence platform just to avoid paying third-party licensing fees. They claim it is an assistive tool meant to empower their army of associates, but history proves that when massive corporate empires train data models on their own workers, the ultimate goal is elimination rather than optimization. From unholy tech alliances with Palantir to profit-margin schemes designed to strip human attorneys out of the loop, the highest-grossing law firm in the world is acting like a classic Bond villain trying to automate the legal ecosystem.Fortunately, building a thriving law firm from the ground up does not require a structural empire or five hundred million dollars in capital. Taly Goody, founder of the Goody Law Group, joins the show to share how she abandoned a stagnant career in high-end art law to launch her own practice from the comfort of a local gym cafe. By leveraging early viral TikTok marketing and scaling a litigation powerhouse alongside her spouse, she constructed an independent firm centered on authentic human connection rather than corporate automation. If tech giants and big law syndicates are actively building systems to automate human advocacy, isn't owning your own autonomy the ultimate survival strategy for the modern attorney?The Big Law Automation Blueprint — Breaking down Kirkland's massive capital deployment and why data training models are a gateway to replacing traditional associate infrastructure.The Viral Growth Playbook — How a zero-dollar social media strategy beat out multi-million dollar billboard syndicates and brought in premier contingency cases during the pandemic.The AI Vetting Reality — A candid assessment of implementing modern tech workflows, from failed records collection automation to building customized prompts inside Claude.Learn more about Taly Goody and the Goody Law Group.Check out our Spotify Playlist.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Kirkland and Ellis's Half Billion Dollar AI Play (03:45) - Privacy Realities and Replacing Human Attorneys (08:29) - The Palantir Tech Alliance and Big Law Ethics (11:54) - Meet Taly Goody of the Goody Law Group (15:16) - From High End Art Law Brokerage to Solo Practice (21:26) - Early TikTok Mastery and Fighting Billboard Marketing Budgets (24:24) - Spousal Partnerships and Managing Team Systems (27:22) - Vetting Legal AI Software and Claude Automations (31:47) - Female Founder Autonomy and Flexible Firm Scheduling (40:41) - Counter Program and the Just How Broke Am I Trivia Game (56:04) - Outro and the All Goody in the Hoodie Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.
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  Karin Conroy on Conroy Creative Counsel, AI, and Podcasting 04.06.2026 51min

  Modern artificial intelligence runs on natural language processing, making it a playground for the professionals who treat words like weapons. Jared Correia breaks down why lawyers are structurally and rhetorically built to dominate the AI chain of command, transforming strict chatbots into elite thinking partners. Because when an affirmation engine demands meticulous oversight, effective human-in-the-loop restrictions, and expert legal prompt iteration, it takes a master of discourse to pull the real value out of data centers without triggering a malpractice nightmare.But mastering the machine's inputs is only half the battle when your law firm's external messaging is still trapped in the dial-up era. Legal marketing pioneer Karin Conroy of Conroy Creative Counsel joins the show to share her journey from running a California internet cafe at the turn of the century to building the foundational strategies of modern digital law practice.The Ultimate AI Human — Why an attorney's training in rhetoric, shades of argumentation, and precise language makes them the perfect prompt engineers.The Hacked Website Origin — How a chance meeting with a compromised web platform turned into a legendary, multi-decade partnership with a top podcast producer.The Death of Audio Only — Why leaving your show off of YouTube is no longer just a missed opportunity but a massive operational mistake.Learn more about Karin Conroy.Learn more about Conroy Creative Counsel.Subscribe to the Counsel Cast Podcast.Check out our Spotify playlist.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Introduction and the AI Advantage (01:40) - Why Attorneys Are Built for Prompt Engineering (03:34) - Human in the Loop Malpractice Risks and Savings (05:39) - Pancake Consistency Debate and Willy Wonka Trivia (08:26) - Digital Legal History and the Best Website Contest (10:56) - Laguna Beach Internet Cafes and the Early Web Design Days (16:32) - Cocktail Party Statements and the Early Era of Business Podcasting (24:22) - Analytical Podcasting Systems and Overcoming Growth Hurdles (32:53) - Shifting to a YouTube and Video Content First Format (35:28) - Counter Program and the Famous Teamups Trivia Game (44:00) - From American Oligarch Campers to Space Handshakes (49:39) - Outro and Duet Playlists Click here to view the episode transcript.
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  Harshita Ganesh on Reclaiming Content Control for Women 21.05.2026 59min

  Forty years later, Jared is still licking his wounds after Transformers: the Movie traumatized an entire generation of kids. Now, inspired by the upcoming "apology tour" for the movie, Jared looks back at the audacity of the remarkable number of shows developed in the 80s and 90s solely to market toy lines. Pure capitalism at it's finest.But while we can laugh at the audacity of brazen 80s consumerism, there's a lot less to laugh at in the modern marketplace. Harshita Ganesh of CMBG3 Law joins the show to dissect the legal battle against non-consensual deepfake pornography. Anyone want to place bets on whether the AI giants of our day will do an apology tour in our lifetimes?Learn more about Harshita and CMBG3.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Follow Jared on LinkedIn.Check out our Spotify Playlist for this episode.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Click here to view the episode transcript.
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  Diana Scott on the Future of Managed IT and Managed AI Governance for Lawyers 14.05.2026 54min

  If you’re looking to grow your law firm, stop thinking about hiring "workers" and start thinking about acquiring revenue centers. In this episode, we break down the dopamine hit of growth by acquisition—from snagging an attorney with a portable book of business to buying an entire practice for 1X gross annual revenue. It’s a top-shelf strategy to expedite your total firm revenue and ramp profitability without the soul-crushing administrative burden of building from scratch. We’re joined by Diana Scott, founder of BlueCastle IT Solutions, who navigated the IT "sausage party" to build a managed service provider that actually makes sense. We move past the era of the "break-fix" guy with mustard on his shirt to a layered approach to data security that’s as essential as the jalapeños on a plate of nachos. Diana explains how to fix the "leaky roof" of your firm's security using the 3-2-1 backup rule and why end-user education is your only hope against phishers.We also address the "cocaine for babies" phase of AI adoption. If you’re giving a third-party AI agent like Claude full access to your desktop, you’re basically inviting indiscernible clumps of "AI slop" into your HR and financial folders. Diana outlines the Managed AI Studio model, using API governance to save money and keep your firm’s PII under lock and key. It’s time to move your law firm IT into the cloud era before your perpetual software drops off the face of the earth.We wrap up with a high-energy spin of the Wheel of Justice, covering everything from prehistoric animals to the legendary "Brass Bonanza" theme of the Hartford Whalers. Whether you’re a "dad core" enthusiast in a heated recliner or just trying to survive the virulent weasels of New England IT, this episode is sterling.Learn more about Diana Scott and BlueCastle IT.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Follow Jared on LinkedIn.Check out our Spotify Playlist for this episode.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro: Law Firm Growth and Expansion (00:44) - The Reality of Growing a Service Business (01:37) - Acquiring a Book of Business vs. Just a Worker (02:30) - Backups for Retiring Lawyers: Cases for No Money (03:23) - Valuing a Law Firm Purchase at 1X Revenue (05:07) - Meet Diana Scott: From Anthropology to PC Gaming (07:45) - The Auditor's Path: Sociology and IT Work-Study (10:55) - The "Sausage Party": Being a Woman in Engineering (12:20) - Audacity and the Launch of BlueCastle IT (16:19) - The Death of Break-Fix: Why You Need an MSP (18:42) - The Leaky Roof: Selling Invisible IT Solutions (21:47) - The Layered Nacho Approach to Data Security (24:13) - Phishing and Holding the Door for Strangers (25:24) - Handling a Breach: Reporting and Insurance (28:47) - Managed AI Services: Proactive Governance (31:23) - Managed AI Studio: API vs. Desktop Apps (33:12) - The Risk of AI Desktop Agents (37:12) - The Inevitable Move to SaaS and Cloud (39:13) - Remote Support in a Post-COVID Landscape (41:57) - Counter Program: The Wheel of Justice (44:38) - The 3-2-1 Rule for Data Backup (47:00) - Civic Hatchbacks and Sony Blu-ray Laptops (50:41) - Toothpaste Tech: Bite Bits and Paper Straws (52:05) - Brass Bonanza: The Hartford Whalers and UConn (53:16) - Outro: The Castles Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.
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  Interstellar, Inversion, and International Tax: A Deep Dive with Jamie Zug 07.05.2026 1t

  Jared Correia opens with a "Homeric catalog" ranking his top five Christopher Nolan films, placing Interstellar at the top of the list for its meticulous execution and devastating emotional core. The monologue also previews Nolan’s upcoming project, The Odyssey, which Jared predicts will be a "straight fire" swords-and-sandals epic.The guest interview features Jamie Zug, a tax attorney and founder of Dispatch Tailor. Jamie shares a unique journey through law school as a single parent, which fostered a deep appreciation for professional flexibility—a core value now integrated into the Dispatch Tailor business model. Jamie discusses the "accidental" love affair with the statutory minutia of tax and ERISA, as well as the transition from government litigation at the New Jersey Division of Taxation to solo practice.A central focus of the conversation is Dispatch Tailor, an operational support program that pairs "executive functioning superstars"—often talented caregivers seeking flexible work—with neurodivergent professionals to manage administrative burdens. Jamie also reveals a cutting-edge approach to AI, utilizing a tokenized "white label" layer that strips personally identifiable information (PII) from data before it hits models like Claude or ChatGPT, then "rehydrates" the response for the user.Finally, the "Counter Program" explores the unique culture of New Jersey. Jamie confirms that full-service gas is a "non-negotiable" luxury for residents and explains the existence of the elusive "Central Jersey". The episode wraps with a look at the "Pine Barrens," a million-acre ecological wonder and home to the legendary Jersey Devil.Learn more about Dispatch Tailor and Jamie ZugSubscribe to our YouTube channel.Follow Jared on LinkedIn.Check out our Spotify Playlist for this episode.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro: Christopher Nolan Rankings (00:45) - The "Dad Core" Cinema of Sir Christopher Nolan (01:42) - Honorable Mentions: Memento and Tenet (06:05) - #5: Oppenheimer and the Barbenheimer Summer (08:07) - #4: Inception and the Art of Subconscious Espionage (09:57) - #3: The Prestige and the Science of Identity (12:20) - #2: The Dark Knight and the Best Superhero Movie Ever (13:38) - #1: Interstellar and the Father-Daughter Love Story (16:40) - Previewing Nolan’s "The Odyssey" (20:15) - Interview: Jamie Zug on Flexible Law School Paths (24:45) - Falling in Love with the Minutia of Tax and ERISA (28:34) - Transgender Advocacy and Local Support (33:24) - Transitioning from State Government to Solo Practice (39:31) - Dispatch Tailor: Supporting Neurodiverse Professionals (42:34) - Managing Talent: Deserving Freedom to Thrive (44:24) - AI Tokenization: Protecting PII in LLMs (47:35) - Counter Program: Shit New Jerseyans Say (48:58) - The Gas Station Commandment: Never Pump Your Own (50:30) - The Mystery of the Jug Handle Turn (53:55) - Coffee Snobbery and Wawa Hoagies (56:57) - The Million-Acre Pine Barrens and the Jersey Devil (01:00:16) - Outro: The "Voyages" Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.
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  People, Process, Tech: Why Your Law Firm Marketing Data is "Dirty" 30.04.2026 47min

  Jared Correia kicks us off by tackling the "razor's edge" of associate management: how do you train attorneys to be rainmakers without accelerating their departure to start a competing firm? Jared argues that withholding professional development is a losing game and suggests a joint strategy of "firm-sanctioned" self-promotion—leveraging associate content for SEO/AEO backlinks while providing "swimming lessons" in networking through partner-led mentorship.In the interview, we bring on Ron Latz, founder of Legal Fenix, who shares his journey from playing college hockey and touring in a synth-metal band to becoming a "fractional CMO" for law firms. Ron explains why he launched Legal Fenix to stop the "blame pie" between firms and agencies, emphasizing a "People, Process, Technology" order of operations. We also dive into the "Fenix" merger with Rob Williams (Elevamp), the complexities of HubSpot vs. Legal CRMs, and the critical importance of data hygiene in tracking everything from Marketing Qualified Leads (MQL) to total acquisition costs . Finally, Ron finds himself facing the "Like The Fenix" comeback trivia, proving he might need a refresher on Rocky Balboa.Learn more about Ron and Legal Fenix.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.Follow Jared on LinkedIn.Check out our Spotify Playlist for this episode.We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro: The Associate Hiring Tightrope (00:44) - The Risk of Training Future Competitors (02:41) - Developing People Without "Arresting Development" (03:42) - Joint Authorship: Leveraging SEO & AEO Backlinks (04:30) - Marketing Mentors: The "Swimming Lesson" Model (05:27) - Learning from Associates: Using Gen Z as a Focus Group (07:36) - Interview: Ron Latz’s Origin Story (08:29) - College Hockey and the "Beer League" Reality (10:22) - "Up In Arms": The Synth-Metal Band Days (13:02) - School of Hard Knocks: The 15-Year Evolution of Legal SEO (14:02) - Launching Legal Fenix: Cutting Up the "Blame Pie" (16:06) - What is a Fractional CMO? (19:07) - The "Agnostic" Agency Rule: No Kickbacks or Commissions (20:10) - The Dream Team: Rob Williams (Elevamp) Joins Legal Fenix (22:50) - Why Everyone Should Start with the Piano (24:10) - HubSpot vs. LeadDocket: Customization vs. Complexity (25:53) - Order of Operations: People, Process, then Technology (29:43) - The Data Hygiene Crisis: "Garbage In, Garbage Out" (31:30) - Defining Metrics: MQL, IQL, and "Wanted" Leads (34:11) - Blended vs. Channel-Specific Acquisition Costs (37:15) - Counter Program: "Like The Fenix" Comeback Trivia (38:55) - The Rocky Balboa/Bernard Hopkins Confusion (44:46) - The Inventor of the Minivan: Lee Iacocca (45:07) - The Gordie Howe Hat Trick (46:00) - Outro: The "Special" Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.