The CIRS Group Podcast

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  Barbara’s CIRS Health Update: Did the Shoemaker Protocol work? 16.09.2026 40min

  On today's episode of The CIRS Group Podcast, Barbara shares a health update. She reports a smoother-than-expected recovery from an August 2025 L5-S1 PLIF spinal fusion, major symptom improvements after going gluten- and dairy-free, adding gut supplements, and tracking with stool testing. She began tick-borne treatment with a specialist using pulsed antibiotics plus biofilm support and albendazole, noting microbiome changes and a post-treatment drop in MSH while continuing low-dose binders and passing the VCS.  Ongoing issues include stubborn MARCoNS and sinus imbalance (multiple rinses/sprays, EDTA+silver side effects, considering ENT evaluation, sleep study, and possibly nebulized treatment). She discusses hormone testing (DUTCH/bloodwork), fibroids/adenomyosis management with oral progesterone, low-dose morning hydrocortisone, and starting testosterone cream. Barbara also covers difficult EMDR therapy attempts, learning shutdown vs fight/flight in Jacie’s nervous system cohort, and supportive care like acupuncture and NUCCA chiropractic. In the next update, she'll cover upcoming labs, retesting results, actino cleaning, and possible iron infusions. She also adds a couple exciting personal life updates: getting married and adopting a puppy! For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro and medical disclaimer01:11 Spinal fusion recovery02:02 Gut changes and diet04:09 Tick Borne treatment06:34 Why the Shoemaker Protocol didn't work on it's own08:59 Grief and autoimmune flare10:20 Upcoming labwork11:19 MARCoNS sinus battle13:25 Sleep Study and ENT appointment15:43 Hormone testing17:57 Fibroids, progesterone, and cortisol support21:39 Testosterone treatment and cautions23:18 Therapy: EMDR fails and incorporation of nicotine26:13 Shutdown: nervous system regulation tools31:30 Acupuncture and NUCCA chiropractic adjustments33:19 TLDR - What's working and what's not36:15 Happy life updates!37:40 Future podcast guests and group events For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs HELPFUL LINKS:Jacie's recent health update: https://youtu.be/pGBCx3fwxMk?si=3e8YQzhZdG3bMv43Barbara's last health update: https://youtu.be/IkcKvfcIIdA?si=1QdRUeqBYIAWI0JSOur hormone episode: https://youtu.be/OStNHRNffqw?si=9cLRWroxRmiwfacQLearn more about Jacie's nervous system resources: https://builttoregulate.com/ The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
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  Why Mold Remediation Fails (and how to get it right) with Max McCord on CIRS Building Science 02.09.2026 34min

  In this The CIRS Group Podcast episode, hosts Jacie and Barbara interview Max McCord, an indoor environmental professional and president of the Stonecrest Team, about why mold remediation projects can fail even after visible mold is removed. Max explains that the biggest misses are often hidden, hard-to-see species like whitish Aspergillus, and that relying on basic air sampling can wrongly suggest a home is “clear,” while PCR-based testing, such as ERMI dust tests, can reveal what was missed.  He describes using detailed building history, CIRS-focused building science, macro photography, and advanced thermography to identify microclimates, insulation and vapor issues, and other hidden sources. The conversation also covers common containment and demolition mistakes that spread contamination, why coordination among IEPs, remediators, HVAC and insulation contractors matters, and how post-remediation “clearance” can be undone during remodeling by contaminated tools and materials. Max shares his personal CIRS diagnosis and his work with Christian Medical Ministries. Check out https://www.stonecrest.team and https://www.christianmedicalministries.org to learn more. TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro - meet Max McCord03:20 Why remediation fails07:46 Tools to detect hidden mold13:09 Teamwork between IEPs, remediators and contractors16:28 Containment done right20:22 Tips to make sure things are done correctly26:52 Max shares his own CIRS diagnosis31:02 Ministry and Resources34:15 Wrap Up and Next Steps For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com HELPFUL LINKS:Work with Max McCord: https://www.stonecrest.team/Christian Medical Ministries: https://www.christianmedicalministries.org/our-board Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
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  The CIRS Starter Pack: Practical tips to feel better while you heal 26.08.2026 40min

  Jacie and Barbara share some suggestions for a “CIRS starter pack” inspired by their community: a menu of practical, non-medical supports to help CIRS patients feel better while waiting to see a provider and pursuing root-cause treatment. They cover environmental steps like using an Air Oasis air purifier and improving cleaning/laundry and bedding routines, plus daily hygiene tools like acidifying body wash. They discuss sleep basics (consistent schedule, morning light for MSH, and optimizing light/sound/temperature), hydration and electrolytes for ADH/osmolality issues, nutrition with adequate calories and protein, and the importance of daily bowel movements for binder-based toxin elimination. Gut support includes going gluten-free, ProButyrate, prebiotics (Sunfiber, HMO, beans/edamame), and probiotics (Probiotic Pro, Florastor). They also address slow, titrated movement, recovery tools (sauna, red light, Epsom baths/magnesium spray), nervous system regulation and supportive community, histamine/mast cell strategies (Zyrtec, cromolyn nasal spray, DAO, HistaAid), as well as their own personal starter-pack essentials. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro and disclaimer01:14 How to use this menu02:19 Disclaimer02:58 Environment hacks08:12 Sleep routine and tips11:44 Hydration and electrolytes13:09 Nutrition and diet15:54 Poop!17:19 Gut Support: gluten free diet, supplements, beans21:23 Movement and recovery24:20 Community26:46 Nervous System Regulation31:19 Histamine and mast cell support32:28 Suggested supplement starter stack33:48 Feel better while healing (or waiting to heal)36:09 Jacie and Barbara's personal Starter Packs39:16 Wrap Up For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com HELPFUL LINKS MENTIONED:Air Oasis filter: https://www.airoasis.com/Our insomnia episode: https://youtu.be/1Qj2XRDurUs?si=DnK1wfUBJKqjbbmFOur Dr. Lacey interview: https://youtu.be/baldT8N7nl4?si=_s1jQ3_rNQHTF22SJacie's Nervous System Resources: https://builttoregulate.com/ CIRS communities:The CIRS Group: https://thecirsgroup.comCIRSLab: https://www.cirslab.com/CIRS Healing Collective: https://simplifiedwellnessdesigns.com/cirs-healing-collective   Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
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  CIRS & Insomnia: Why You Can’t Sleep (Low MSH, Melatonin, Cortisol) + Practical Fixes 19.08.2026 25min

  Barbara and Jacie discuss insomnia as a common CIRS symptom, explaining that CIRS (Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome) can occur in genetically predisposed people exposed to biotoxins like mold, algae blooms, or venomous spider bites, leading to chronic inflammation, cytokine activity, low MSH, and downstream disruption of melatonin, cortisol, and other hormones. They share ways to improve falling asleep (morning sunlight, dim evening lighting, low-dose melatonin, bedtime grounding routines, time-boxing bed use, and acupuncture) and staying asleep (addressing nighttime blood sugar drops with a protein/fat or protein/fiber snack, and managing nocturia from ADH/osmolality dysregulation with electrolytes, fluid timing, and pre-bed bathroom trips). They also cover unrefreshing sleep, sleep environment optimization, hormone testing (including DUTCH panels), and supplements and supports they use, including magnesium, L-theanine, glycine, and KPV, emphasizing practitioner guidance and treating CIRS as the root cause. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS00:00 Sleep: intro and disclaimer00:45 What Is CIRS?02:01 Low MSH and poor sleep connection03:51 Circadian rhythm resets05:55 Lighting to support sleep06:23 Melatonin Done Right06:46 Anxiety disrupting sleep (cell danger response)08:37 Benefits of acupuncture10:09 Why you have trouble staying asleep11:00 Tips to stabilize your blood sugar11:53 Nocturia (needing to pee in the middle of the night)14:00 Unrefreshing Sleep: tips and tricks15:40 Hormones and Testing18:33 Personal Sleep Stacks20:48 Ashwagandha Nightshade PSA21:31 KPV for Low MSH22:27 Wrap Up and Next Steps For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com HELPFUL LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE:Our episode on what CIRS is: https://youtu.be/eqso4R0cQhg?si=9klrfHeuyKGfUJ4n Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
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  Building CIRS-aware, mold-resistant homes with Special Guest Brian Tinker 12.08.2026 35min

  In this CIRS Group Podcast episode, hosts Jacie and Barbara interview Brian Tinker, founder of Breathe Well Homes and a master builder with 30+ years of experience, whose work became personal after his wife’s CIRS diagnosis revealed their home’s role in her illness. Brian explains how moisture control is the core issue behind mold problems and why modern “tighter” energy codes can create sick homes without proper ventilation. He highlights common high-risk materials and methods (e.g., OSB, MDF, spray foam off-gassing, flex ducting, traditional grout), shares practical strategies for moisture management, wall assemblies that can dry, and using ERV/HRV systems to keep homes breathing. He discusses cost increases (about 35–45%), his course and consultations, remote build guidance, and his newer Breathe Well Vans concept, plus interest in manufactured homes for faster, lower-cost options. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com Timestamps 00:00 Intro and disclaimer02:00 Brian’s CIRS-aware home building journey04:52 Why modern homes are so prone to getting mold07:34 Common building materials that promote mold and trigger CIRS10:58 Brian's opinion of the best era for older homes13:14 Moisture management for the modern home17:19 Is there a compromise between energy efficiency and clean air?21:40 What is a passive house?23:39 The cost of building a CIRS-aware home28:32 The Breathe Well Homes mission, and vans!35:05 Post-interview wrap up For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE:Brian's website: https://breathewellhomes.com/Breathe Well Vans: https://www.instagram.com/breathewellvans Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
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  Jacie’s Health Update: Actinos, Gut Dysbiosis, and Spike Protein Testing! 05.08.2026 40min

  Barbara and Jacie are back, this time to share Jacie’s personal health update while she deals with a CIRS relapse after moving into a new apartment. Jacie describes worsening histamine flares, a return of autoimmune symptoms like uveitis, and home testing that showed borderline endotoxins (100), and extremely high actinos (6 million). This prompted a small-particle cleaning and skin/environment retesting that suggested her boyfriend’s microbes were contributing. While waiting to see CIRS clinician Dr. Andrea Jordheim, Jacie used an AIP diet, curcumin, astaxanthin, acupuncture, and a vibration plate to feel better. She reviews her extensive testing results (GI, infections, metabolomics, sinus, spike protein), her boyfriend’s gut results (high Campylobacter, low Akkermansia), her dysbiotic gut findings and leaky-gut indicators, a very high spike protein result (23,000 vs 0.08), and next steps including fasting, nattokinase, quercetin, methylation and genetic testing. In her next update, she’ll share MARCoNS and water testing (for uranium) results. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro and disclaimer01:06 Surprise puppy Story02:20 Jacie's CIRS relapse03:27 Histamine flares and uveitis04:41 Home dust tests and skin tests to check for exposure06:22 Feel better while waiting for your doctor: nutrition and supplements07:44 Acupuncture and vibration plate09:54 Doctor appointment and labwork12:02 All the tests!14:29 Working with Dr. Andrea Jordheim15:55 Jacie's boyfriend's gut results16:50 Jacie's GI dysbiosis findings19:55 Spike protein test results and FLCCC protocol22:17 Remaining tests23:00 Concerning uranium levels in water24:07 Minerals and methylation26:16 Difficulty using carbs for fuel29:06 Celiac genes, staying gluten free31:46 High MPO may indicate endotoxins33:05 Hormones, methylation, and hydration34:38 Next testing, and supplements prioritized36:10 The importance of collaborative care with your doctor38:56 Wrap up For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com LINKS MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:Work with Dr. Andrea Jordheim: https://mytransformationwellness.com/Our interview with Dr. Lacey Venanzi: https://youtu.be/baldT8N7nl4?si=2HQ43ju_lV7PwC3wCeliac blood test: https://www.rupahealth.com/lab-tests/cyrex-array-3x Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.  
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  CIRSx 2026 Recap: Lifestyle tips for recovery from chronic illness - CIRS, mold, and dysregulation 29.07.2026 36min

  In this final CIRSx 2026 recap, Jacie and Barbara cover the conference’s lifestyle-focused talks and share takeaways for listeners. They highlight Mike Pelletier's practical strategies to accelerate CIRS recovery, including prioritizing sleep (consistent bedtime/wake time, cool room, morning light, lowering bedroom CO2, reducing nocturia by shifting fluid intake earlier, and improving nasal breathing), plus frequent “exercise snacks,” movement, and whole-food nutrition. They discuss Lauren Loewenstein's talk on sharing CIRS stories via social media and how coaches can bridge patients, physicians, and remediation teams. They also cover Dr. Hamid's talk on acupuncture as an adjunct for anxiety and autonomic dysregulation, including self-regulation tools like breathing and HRV training. They summarize Dr. Craig Tanio’s Aventhea Trial emphasizing multi-root-cause precision medicine and prevention. Finally, they recap interior designer Kaleigh Concannon's talk on creating low-tox homes, noting challenges with foam/off-gassing in mattresses and couches and focusing on practical risk reduction over perfection. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com Timestamps00:00 Intro and disclaimer01:40 Mike Pelletier's lifestyle tips03:54 Sleep Optimization Tips: sleep, sunlight, lower CO206:52 Mouth Taping Debate08:40 Exercise snacks, temperature, bedding, UV index, movement14:28 Lauren Lowenstein: leveraging social media to share your story18:44 Dr. Ilyas Hamid: acupuncture for nervous system regulation25:52 Dr. Craig Tanio's research on reversing neurodegeneration29:24 Kaleigh Concannon: low toxicity home design33:52 Final Thoughts For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com LINKS MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:Reach out to Mike Pelletier to work with him: [email protected] infused mouth tape: https://taped.co/products/mt?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=23832672398&gbraid=0AAAABBabV6YK8NK1i2DgtSefZ-Zp7G17B&gclid=CjwKCAjwpqHTBhAcEiwAj2AfuhpIoyBoY6Nl5w2f6VNNrw8O9yqsQVCh0s3ogzbeuHjKseVQ-C83JhoCU1MQAvD_BwEWeird chin strap thing (may or may not work lol): https://www.amazon.com/facelift-compression-garment/s?k=facelift+compression+garmentLauren's instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebiotoxinladyJacie's favorite Qi Gong video: https://youtu.be/onA4pogScVg?is=Shg-9oM-_C7onpwWDr. Ilyas Hamid's website: https://acuhollywood.com/Dr. Craig Tanio's website: https://www.rezilirhealth.com/doctors/craig-p-tanio/Sign up to Kaleigh's low tox newsletter: https://www.uniquelyyoudecor.com/newsletter Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
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  CIRSx 2026 Medical Recap: Parkinson’s risk, gut endotoxins, balancing hormones, stalking, & MARCoNs 22.07.2026 43min

  Barbara and Jacie continue their CIRSx 2026 recap with the medical talks, emphasizing that the episode should not be considered medical advice and encouraging listeners to consult their own CIRS practitioners. They summarize Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker’s talk on “triple positives” on GENIE (AKT, RELA, tubulin) as an early risk pattern for neurodegeneration including Parkinson’s, highlighting the promise of early intervention. Dr. Lacey Venanzi focused on gut-driven inflammation in CIRS via LPS, dysbiosis, permeability tied to low MSH, and discussed preferred microbiome testing. Dr. Kellen Milani shared a stalking experience and the need for practitioner boundaries. Louise Carter reviewed GENIE/HLA patterns, suggesting CIRS subtypes and vascular dysregulation. Dr. Eric Dorninger covered step five of the Shoemaker Protocol: androgen correction, especially DHEA, plus additional testing options like DUTCH. Dr. Scott McMahon critiqued overly broad test interpretation. Dr. Oseni discussed pulmonary manifestations of CIRS and spirometry, noting TGF-beta1 and fibrosis. Dr. Peg DiTulio reviews MARCoNS treatment data, maintenance strategies to prevent recolonization, and when to consider ENT/dental issues. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro and disclaimer01:00 Dr. Shoemaker on Triple Positives03:34 Dr. Lacey Venanzi: Gut Endotoxins and Actinos10:03 Dr. Milani: her story of being stalked by a patient15:58 Louise Carder's talk on GENIE subtypes20:46 Dr. Eric Dorninger's hormone support talk24:52 Dr. Scott McMahon on proper medical terms32:18 Dr. Oseni on testing lung capacity35:57 Dr. Peg DiTullio: lessons from treating MARCoNs42:59 Wrap Up Next Episode For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com HELPFUL LINKS:Dr. Lacey Venanzi's website: https://www.drlacey.org/Our interview with Dr. Lacey: https://youtu.be/baldT8N7nl4?si=A4SrJ6tmY_zr1u53Dr. Lacey's new podcast with Dr. Christian: https://www.coherencedx.com/Dr. Kellyn Milani's website: https://remedynaturalhealth.com/Louise Carder's website (for UK based patients): https://www.colabeu.com/Dr. Eric Dorninger's website: https://drdorninger.com/Our interview with Dr. Anjali Noble about hormones and menopause: https://youtu.be/OStNHRNffqw?si=PUfXfmfcAoVbvFR1Our episode on urinary mycotoxin tests: https://youtu.be/qWIIBaMybFA?si=5yoXqYTGvDSC6YG6Our interview with Dr. Peg re: tick borne illness: https://youtu.be/czSjykCdOR4?si=P-oePTLGCG-ujip6Dr. Peg DiTulio's website: https://regenixhealing.com/Our episode all about MARCoNs: https://youtu.be/wOSmKcZr06s?si=7s7wJKQQa7EidDel Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
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  CIRSx 2026 Recap: Remediation & building mold-safe homes 15.07.2026 36min

  Barbara and Jacie kick off their annual CIRSx 2026 Conference recap series, focusing this episode on remediation and environmental talks, with a reminder to consult an indoor environmental professional (IEP) for climate-specific guidance. They summarize key presentations: Bill Weber and Christine Semabeu on prevention-first building and homeowner maintenance (leak management, access panels, alarms, early mechanical planning, and the book “Mold Controlled” by John Banta); contractor Brian Tinker on why building code isn’t sufficient for “medically clean homes,” the need to budget for mold-safer materials, identify dust reservoirs, and validate with testing throughout construction; forensic engineer Joe Lstiburek’s moisture-management building science emphasizing drying potential and prioritizing people/building health over energy efficiency; Air Oasis updates including a planned 2027 model with requested features and current 2.0 model features; Max McCord on using thermal imaging to find hidden moisture; Osman Zelaya on making inspection reports function like construction blueprints through clearer communication; and Jack Getz’s case study building an 800 sq ft CIRS-friendly home over a garage with detailed design choices and costs. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro and disclaimer01:40 Bill Weber and Christine Cimabue: Prevention is better than remediation07:00 Brian Tinker: building beyond code12:03 Joseph Lstiburek - Building Science Masterclass: Don't do stupid things16:07 Brad Baxter, COO of Air Oasis: new model in 202721:17 Max McCord: finding hidden moisture24:51 Osmin Zelaya: better inspection reports - better communication28:06 CIRS Friendly Home Case Study35:09 Key Takeaways and Wrap Up For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com LINKS:Bill Weber's website: https://avelar.net/articles_publications/team/bill-weber/Christine Cimabue's website: https://byholistichomes.com/John Banta's book, Mold Controlled: https://www.johncbanta.com/publicationsBrian Tinker's website: https://breathewellhomes.com/Joseph Lstiburek's website: https://buildingscience.com/users/jlstiburekAir Oasis air filters: https://www.airoasis.com/Max McCord's website: https://www.stonecrest.team/Osmin Zelaya's website: https://medviro.com/LeadershipJohn Goetz's recommendation for people interested in building their own CIRS safe home: https://buildshownetwork.com/  Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
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  CIRSx 2026 Hot Takes: Weird vibes, corporate shift & our favorite talks 08.07.2026 31min

  Barbara and Jacie share “hot takes” after CIRSx 2026 in Fort Lauderdale. Barbara attended in person and Jacie watched virtually. They discuss feeling “weird vibes” and a more corporate yet conflicted identity, with misalignment about whether the conference is for providers, patients, or remediators, and concerns about limited innovation within the Shoemaker community. They encourage practitioners to seek innovation through CIRS Lab and mention Dr. Lacey Venanzi and Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres’ work. They highlight standout talks from Brian Tinker on safe homes, Dr. Venanzi on endotoxemia/actinos in the gut, Mike Pelletier on patient lifestyle changes, Dr. Kellyn Milani on being stalked by a patient, Louise Carter on GENIE patterns, Jack Goetz on building a CIRS-conscious home, and Kayleigh Concannon on low-tox furnishings, while noting many other talks felt unhelpful and lacking actionable takeaways. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro: CIRSx01:11 Hot Takes explained03:25 Medical Disclaimer03:48 Weird Conference Vibes06:30 Who is CIRSx for?07:57 Innovation beyond Shoemaker10:56 Gatekeeping and publishing pressure14:53 Tell me why I'm watching this18:22 Standout talks and teasers30:00 Up next! For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE:If you're a health coach or practitioner in the CIRS space, join the practitioner membership at https://www.cirslab.com/Our recent episode with Dr. Christian and Dr. Lacey: https://youtu.be/7H6CKEhIMSU?si=Dr18_Gg8fpZfkKshDr. Christian and Dr. Lacey's new podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@CoherenceDX Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
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  MARCoNS in CIRS: Symptoms, testing, treatment options & why it keeps coming back 01.07.2026 39min

  In this The CIRS Group Podcast episode, Jacie and Barbara explain MARCoNS (multiple antibiotic resistant coagulase-negative staphylococci) as a common deep nasal colonization in CIRS patients and why it’s addressed as step three in the Shoemaker Protocol (after leaving exposure and using binders). They discuss how MARCoNS may perpetuate inflammation and low MSH, what symptoms can look like, and how to test via a deep nasal swab (ordered from MicrobiologyDX). They review Shoemaker-style treatments such as EDTA with silver, BEG spray, plus alternatives like xylitol sprays, ozone, red light therapy, and propolis sprays, along with titration and irritation considerations. They also cover why MARCoNS can recur (ongoing exposure, incomplete eradication, pets, personal items), debate whether MARCoNS is cause vs result, and mention broader nasal testing (MicroGenDX Sinus Key) and evolving approaches beyond the patented Shoemaker Protocol. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro01:31 What MARCoNS Means02:41 Colonization vs Infection03:30 Why you should care about MARCoNs05:56 MARCoNs Symptoms09:29 Timing your treatment for MARCoNs10:41 Testing technique14:32 How to understand your test results15:55 Shoemaker-endorsed treatment for MARCoNs20:37 Other options for treatment28:58 Why do MARCoNs take hold, and why does it keep it from coming back32:11 Do MARCoNS really matter?34:49 Beyond MARCoNS sinus testing36:40 The next frontier of sinus testing and treatment For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE:Order your own MARCoNs test: https://www.microbiologydx.com/order-collection-kitsOur interview with Dr. Andrew Heyman: https://youtu.be/WwTRQTuUeC8?si=3HfIk0fE7OCCygj6The CIRS Summit (to view Christian's talk on nasal treatments): https://cirs-summit-2025.heysummit.com/talks/how-the-latest-nasal-swab-testing-can-help-you-heal/Order your own SinusKey test: https://patients.microgendx.com/products/sinuskey Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
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  Dr. Andrew Heyman on the Cell Danger Response: Why CIRS Patients Stall & How to Heal Beyond Mold 24.06.2026 56min

  On this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, hosts Jacie and Barbara interview Dr. Andrew Heyman about Dr. Naviaux’s cell danger response (CDR) framework and why it can explain stalled recoveries in chronic mold-related illness and CIRS. Heyman describes how mitochondrial “danger mode” drives three phases: initial inflammation (innate immune activation), rebuilding via aerobic glycolysis, and reintegration requiring “all clear” signals like VIP, which positions CIRS as a subset of CDR. He emphasizes total toxic load (mold/biotoxins plus chemicals, metals, infections, gut-derived endotoxins, physical trauma, and emotional trauma), and discusses the neuroendocrine-immune axis (VIP, MSH, PACAP) and autonomic/vagal tone as key to recovery. He outlines his BeyondMold.com five-phase clinical program: environment/binders and chemical detox support, pathogen work, gut optimization, metabolic/hormone rebuilding with nervous system support, and a final readiness-to-heal/phenotyping phase using targeted safety signals (including VIP forms). TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro to Dr. Andrew Heyman02:38 What Is Cell Danger Response?06:38 CIRS in the context of Cell Danger Response: changing gene expression12:18 The role of total toxic load and co-infections16:52 How the nervous system is affected by Cell Danger Response22:27 Why having a solid practitioner in your corner is so important23:56 The limitations of CIRS diagnostic testing28:47 Beyond Mold framework for healing in five phases37:18 Are you ready to heal?46:16 Advice for stalled patients51:14 How to work with Dr. Heyman and Beyond Mold For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com WORK WITH DR. HEYMAN: https://beyondmold.com/Dr. Heyman Q&A mentioned in the outro: https://www.youtube.com/live/EWoki09eHhk Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
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  Phase 5: Restore brain volume and repair inflammation markers (Shoemaker Protocol Series) 17.06.2026 11min

  Barbara and Jacie wrap up their five-part Shoemaker Protocol series with Phase 5: Repair and Restore. This phase focuses on normalizing innate immune markers (MMP-9, C3a, C4a, and TGFb1) and restoring brain volume. They explain that low-starch/gluten-free diet helps bring down MMP-9, while persistently elevated C3a/C4a or TGFb1 often signal ongoing exposure, gut issues, tick-borne illness, or dental cavitations. The episode culminates with VIP (vasoactive intestinal peptide) nasal spray (the most anticipated step of the entire protocol!) which supports anti-inflammatory pathways, neurological function, and brain volume restoration over 6–12 months. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS00:00 Introduction: Phase Five01:24 Medical Disclaimer01:55 Innate Immune Markers and VIP Nasal Spray02:50 Understanding MMP-905:14 C3a and C4a Markers07:20 TGFb108:18 VIP Spray Treatment10:34 Closing Thoughts For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
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  Keys to feeling better: Repair metabolism, detox pathways, hormones & electrolytes 10.06.2026 18min

  In this CIRS Group Podcast episode, Jacie and Barbara cover phase four of the Shoemaker Protocol, focused on restoring normal metabolic function after biotoxin elimination. They explain that this phase may include supporting detox pathways for “normal” toxins and heavy metals (e.g., daily bowel movements, B vitamins, methylation support, sauna or hot baths, lymphatic techniques, and using binders like charcoal or clay for inorganic toxins), addressing androgen/sex hormone imbalance linked to low MSH (including signs of low testosterone or estrogen dominance, supplementing DHEA), and correcting fluid/electrolyte balance via ADH regulation (symptoms like thirst, frequent urination, nocturia, and static shocks). They discuss electrolyte options, a DIY recipe, and provider-monitored desmopressin if needed, and note this phase can also involve investigating other lingering issues or co-infections before moving to phase five. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS00:00 Welcome to Phase Four01:00 The purpose of repairing damage done by CIRS03:14 Detox Pathways basics05:33 Binders for heavy metals07:05 Androgen & hormone balance09:40 Fluid and Electrolyte Issues: ADH/Osmolality12:21 Electrolyte options14:12 Desmopressin reset explained15:41 Tidying up and co-infections17:22 Next Phase and wrap up For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE:Electrolyte caps Barbara uses: https://redmond.life/products/re-lyte-hydration-support-plus-capsLMNT Recipe (check FAQ): https://drinklmnt.com/pages/ingredients Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
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  Break the Cycle of Chronic Mold Illness: treat MARCoNs and repair the gut 03.06.2026 28min

  Struggling with stubborn biotoxin illness (CIRS) and feeling stuck in your recovery? In this episode, we break down some of the most important (and often overlooked) steps in the Shoemaker Protocol, including binders, MARCoNS treatment, and gut support. Learn how binders like cholestyramine and Welchol work differently to remove biotoxins, why the wrong detox approach can trigger setbacks, and how to track your progress with tools like the Visual Contrast Sensitivity (VCS) test. We also dive into MARCoNS: why it's so common in CIRS patients, how it impacts MSH and overall health, and the treatment options available, from prescription nasal sprays to over-the-counter approaches. Plus, we discuss biofilms, reinfection risks, pet testing, and practical strategies for breaking the cycle. Whether you're just getting started or looking to optimize your treatment plan, this episode will help you better understand the next critical steps in recovering from CIRS and mold-related illness. None of this is medical advice: always consult your CIRS practitioner for what treatment is right for you. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Introduction & Recap02:54 - Why phase three is the most anticipated part of recovery03:26 - The most effective binders for detoxification: Cholestyramine and Welchol06:00 - Over-the-counter binder options: Mycobind and Chitosan07:05 - The importance of using the correctly charged binders09:21 - Visual Contrast Sensitivity test: tracking biotoxin effects13:00 - Treating MARCoNs: nasal testing, nasal sprays, and herbal options14:15 - Cycle of MARCoNs and MSH depletion16:19 - Nasal testing resources and nasal spray treatments (EDTA, BEG spray, X Lear)17:35 - Testing the nasal biome with Sinus Key19:14 - Impact of diet, microbiome, and specific food sensitivities on gut healing25:14 - Supporting detox through bowel movements with magnesium26:26 - The importance of sequencing treatment steps for optimum results27:23 - Encouragement to stay on track, subscribe, and support the channel For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE:Our Binders episode: https://youtu.be/KAQfLXuPjFI?si=TcJo-YDEjVLNInqWVisual Contrast Sensitivity (VCS) test options:https://www.vcstest.com/https://www.survivingmold.com/store/online-vcs-screeninghttps://beyondmold.com/product/visual-contrast-sensitivity-test/MARCoNs test: https://www.microbiologydx.com/order-collection-kitsSinusKey test: https://patients.microgendx.com/products/sinuskeyActinos episode where we reference the SinusKey: https://youtu.be/2rCXhUP6dbY?si=MBT7_esd0edmfhCXDr. Christian Navarro Torres' website to book a consult: https://www.cirslab.com/Dr. Andrea Jordheim's website to work with her: https://mytransformationwellness.com/Our interview with Dr. Lacey Venanzi: https://youtu.be/baldT8N7nl4?si=wExZGivhkEALSR4OOur second interview with Dr. Lacey: https://youtu.be/7H6CKEhIMSU?si=WrMPttnfyRq2aMvCDr. Lacey's website to work with her: https://www.drlacey.org/ Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, wr
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  Fungal Colonization Isn't What You Think! 27.05.2026 50min

  For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com Is mold colonization the same as CIRS? Could what looks like a fungal infection actually be something else entirely? In this episode, Barbara is joined by Dr. Lacey Venanzi and Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres to break down the difference between mold/fungal colonization and chronic inflammatory response syndrome (CIRS), explore the surprisingly important role of actinobacteria, and walk through practical, affordable treatment strategies: from pharmaceutical antifungals to botanicals and nasal rinsing. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro01:19 Meet the guests: Dr. Lacey Venanzi & Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres02:25 What is mold or fungal colonization?05:01 Is fungal overgrowth a root cause or a downstream effect?06:08 CIRS vs. fungal colonization: Two distinct diagnoses07:45 Symptoms of fungal colonization (skin, gut, sinuses, cravings)10:56 Pharmaceutical antifungals and herbal antifungals15:30 Risks of using antifungals in CIRS patients17:25 Why some patients improve on antifungals19:55 Why timing matters: get out of exposure first22:25 Actinobacteria: the overlooked player in CIRS24:19 How actinobacteria mimics fungal infections26:32 Testing: options, limitations & what to look for28:15 Key botanical treatments: Horopito, thyme, clove, eucalyptus & tea tree29:00 Affordable testing options for patients32:20 Safe steps patients can take (Horopito)32:49 Dilute the bacteria, lower the burden: cleaning and motility33:56 Probiotics & prebiotics for fungal/actino burden35:36 Topical treatment: Horopito Lotion37:05 Nasal treatment: saline & baby shampoo technique39:00 Barbara's saline rinse tips & real-world experience44:03 Why baby shampoo works (surfactants explained)45:11 Horopito cream for nasal & skin use47:10 Coherence DX and additional resources Check out Dr. Lacey and Dr. Christian's new company Coherence DX! https://www.coherencedx.com/YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@CoherenceDXDr. Lacey's website: https://www.drlacey.org/Dr. Christian's website: https://www.cirslab.com/ LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE:Our Actinos Episode: https://youtu.be/yf9EoTbyAEo?si=nZIZAAlPlBgnObfIOur Actinos Cleaning episode: https://youtu.be/2rCXhUP6dbY?si=TRx356TkQBm1BBJnOur first interview with Dr. Lacey: https://youtu.be/baldT8N7nl4?si=8tHFQCKqrLxiFESqOur latest interview with Dr. Christian: https://youtu.be/Lc_LfUeiYTM?si=6CFLE6w71gtSqStjCSA (comprehensive stool analysis) from ParasiteTesting.com: https://www.parasitetesting.com/CSA?srsltid=AfmBOor_itSEGDFWmeorkB2spnrFXO48-f07lwE7G8V8Hc9NxB4Y92AJCheap gut test: https://www.ombrelab.com/products/ombre-gut-health-test?selling_plan=2189295771More comprehensive gut test: https://www.tinyhealth.com/adult-testSinusKey nose test: https://patients.microgendx.com/products/sinuskeyHoropito capsules:https://kolorex.com/collections/gut-care/products/candia-balance-gut-care-60Dr. Lacey's favorite probiotics:BioGaia: https://a.co/d/0cQZgJhwFlorastor: https://a.co/d/09oFxiLsSun Fiber: https://a.co/d/0hkdbUZhHoropito topical cream (the gentlest option): https://kolorex.com/products/vaginal-care-creamNeti Pot Barbara uses: https://a.co/d/08DKajTTNasal swabs Barbara uses: https://a.co/d/0fgglU5fFragrance free Baby Shampoo: https://www.target.com/p/johnson-39-s-sensitive-care-baby-2-in-1-body-wash-38-shampoo-lightly-scented-13-5-fl-oz/-/A-87442350#lnk=sametab Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: http
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  Shoemaker Protocol Phase Two: Fish oil, limbic retraining, & get out of exposure 20.05.2026 25min

  For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com Jacie and Barbara cover Phase Two (part two of five) of the Shoemaker Protocol for CIRS, focusing on foundational steps before starting binders:  Lipid replacement therapy (primarily fish oil) to lower inflammation and help prevent common binder side effects like fatigue, constipation, and overall dryness, with Shoemaker-recommended omega-3 dosing (EPA 2,400 mg and DHA 1,800 mg daily) and cautions about blood-thinning;  Limbic retraining to address errant threat signals from chronic illness, with nuance that intensive programs can be too difficult early on and may work better once out of exposure and/or on binders, while also warning against symptom suppression without addressing root causes;  And the critical priority of getting out of exposure through testing (dust tests for mold, endotoxins, and actinos), remediation or moving, and exploring hidden, internal exposures that can cause plateaus or backslides in your health. Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss the next episode, all about Phase Three, removing the toxic burden! For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS00:00 Phase Two of the Shoemaker Protocol01:25 Why this foundational phase matters02:54 What is Lipid Replacement? and why is it important?06:17 Fish Oil / lipid dosing tips08:04 Limbic Retraining explained10:51 When Limbic Retraining backfires14:23 Hyperreactivity Catch-2218:25 Get out of exposure20:42 Hidden exposures and healing stalls22:27 Key takeaways and next phase24:08 Wrap up and resources For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com Check out these episodes mentioned in this episode:Interview with Michael Schrantz about remediation: https://youtu.be/_BEwFVdpRcY?si=mzNeGslwGjaYhWqiInterview with Bill Weber about testing your home: https://youtu.be/RlKjTqVAeNU?si=Eymfvcdk4G6kzylVInterview with Kendra Seymour on choosing a remediator or IEP: https://youtu.be/zmt9e42LLac?si=cTTvunobvEt8YL_nDust testing 101: https://youtu.be/nRrZs7xbXcc?si=55oXFRCV5kO_p0JDEndotoxin episode: https://youtu.be/O0iKndNzfYA?si=X-iX1NoRO2U7U-QVActinos episode part one: https://youtu.be/yf9EoTbyAEo?si=d2KUSzNpX2cs0DKEand Part two: https://youtu.be/2rCXhUP6dbY?si=wDHiSy58Vw5fZ5fa Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
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  How to Get Diagnosed: Healing from Chronic Illness 13.05.2026 24min

  For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com Uncover the truth behind chronic illnesses that are often misdiagnosed for years. If you’ve been told your symptoms are anxiety, IBS, or autoimmune, this episode explores a groundbreaking approach that could change everything. Learn how the Shoemaker Protocol, backed by clinical research, helps identify and treat CIRS (Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome) caused by biotoxin exposure like mold. In this episode, Barbara and Jacie walk through the first phase of the Shoemaker Protocol: determining whether CIRS is the root cause of your symptoms. You’ll learn how to recognize key symptom patterns, use the validated VCS (Visual Contrast Sensitivity) test, and identify common exposure sources such as water-damaged buildings and tick bites. What you’ll learn:• The 35 symptom clusters linked to CIRS and how to assess your own• How the VCS test can be an early screening tool• Common exposure triggers that are often overlooked• The role of genetics and why pattern recognition matters• The first steps to begin a clinically validated path to recovery CIRS can create widespread disruption in the body, from immune dysfunction to neurological symptoms, and is frequently mistaken for other conditions. This episode helps you connect the dots so you can move toward targeted, effective healing. Whether you’re just starting your health journey or searching for answers after years of confusion, this is part one of a five-part series designed to bring clarity, direction, and hope. Explore more resources and support at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Intro: an answer for healing01:35 - Why we're covering the five phases of the Shoemaker Protocol02:53 - What is CIRS?04:09 - Common misdiagnoses05:25 - Understanding CIRS Symptoms08:23 - Four Pillars of CIRS Diagnosis: First, Symptom Clusters09:00 - Second: Visual Contrast Sensitivity Test12:48 - Third: Exposure History and Its Importance16:25 - Fourth: Blood Work and Genetic Testing19:20 - What CIRS is Not20:30 - Next Steps for Diagnosis22:15 - Personal Experiences and Hope for Healing24:00 - Conclusion and Upcoming Episodes For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
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  Do you have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS)? This could be the missing key to healing! 06.05.2026 21min

  For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com Jacie and Barbara discuss chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS), emphasizing it as a real, multisystem illness rather than “just being tired,” and describe hallmark symptoms like post-exertional malaise (PEM), unrefreshing sleep, brain fog/word-finding issues, orthostatic intolerance, sensory sensitivity, pain, headaches, and the push-crash cycle. They explain how ME/CFS is often hard to diagnose due to lack of a single definitive test, the use of exclusionary testing and symptom criteria, and how cardiopulmonary exercise testing can objectively demonstrate impaired recovery and reduced oxygen utilization, which is useful for disability or legal documentation. They argue the diagnosis is a label, not a root cause, and propose chronic inflammatory response syndrome (CIRS) from biotoxin exposure (often water-damaged buildings/mold) as a potential driver, citing Dr. Ming Dooley’s review comparing ME/CFS research to CIRS treatment outcomes. They outline next steps: assess exposure history and symptom patterns, take symptom clusters and the VCS test, find a CIRS-literate practitioner, address current environments before protocols, and explore resources and their community membership. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro to Chronic Fatigue / medical disclaimer02:30 Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is real, let's ask WHY04:26 What is ME/CFS?06:40 The CFS lived experience09:09 Getting a ME/CFS diagnosis11:05 Labels vs root cause12:08 What is actually happening when you have ME/CFS13:01 How CIRS may cause ME/CFS: published research backed15:29 Why doctors miss CIRS17:14 Next steps if you want to seek treatment20:10 Testing and find a practitioner that is Shoemaker Certified21:04 Resources For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com LINKS MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:Ming Dooley's published research connecting CFS and CIRS:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40806417/https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11623837/https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41265402/VCS test and symptom questions for CIRS: https://www.survivingmold.com/store/online-vcs-screening Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
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  Are you ACTUALLY healing?? Learn how to tell if you're ready to graduate from treatment! 29.04.2026 27min

  For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com In this episode, Barbara and Jacie discuss how CIRS patients can tell when they’re ready to move to the next step of the Shoemaker Protocol or “graduate,." As always, healing is gradual and should be guided by a CIRS-literate practitioner. They recommend tracking symptoms over time and checking three key questions: whether symptoms are improving, whether labs support improvement, and whether ongoing exposure is still occurring. The Shoemaker Protocol can be divided into three phases: (1) getting out of exposure by identifying and removing biotoxins, (2) clearing biotoxins with binders like cholestyramine (often causing temporary fatigue/constipation) and treating MARCoNS; and (3) repairing immune and hormonal dysfunction with supportive therapies, diet, and lifestyle supports. They also cover what “graduation” means, and common side quests if stalled, including Lyme, gut issues, dental problems, microbiome disruptions, spike protein, and autoimmune-related damage. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com Timestamps00:00 Intro and disclaimer01:18 The benefits of symptom tracking03:16 The Shoemaker Protocol in three phases04:15 Phase One: get out of exposure06:13 When you can graduate to phase two09:02 Phase Two: clear the biotoxins (take binders)11:12 MARCoNs treatment12:20 Phase Three: repair and regulate15:03 Fix your brain with VIP Spray18:51 What "graduation" actually means: Life after CIRS20:19 When you stall, check for exposure21:36 Check for Co-infections, co-morbidities, other side quests25:26 Final takeaways For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE:Our Neuroquant episode: https://youtu.be/Lc_LfUeiYTM?si=DNbUj0nSdaXFGIqrOur interview with Jenny Johnson, about Life After CIRS: https://youtu.be/-c_bWUjP_uI?si=3hCbQ_CIkBbXvtTa Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group:Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivoryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivoryBlog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.