The Next Level
The Bulwark
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Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and Jonathan V. Last bring their signature political insight and banter to the masses in The Next Level podcast. Tune in to hear them discuss the news of the week, break down campaigns and elections, and wade into pop culture feuds.
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1115: JVL Has an Idea for How Democrats Can Make MAGA’s Life Hell 15.09.2026 1t 10minJVL's on the west coast for Sarah's book event, and he, Tim, and Andrew Egger discuss Mitch McConnell's triumphant (?) return to the Senate, Donald Trump casually floating conspiracy theories over the Butler, PA assassination attempt, and Thomas Massie's articles of impeachment against Pete Hegseth. Then, they turn their attention to a New York Times poll with some GREAT news for Democrats in the midterms (with the exception of one issue: AI). They discuss the developments from the world of AI in the last week and how our political leaders should respond. Then: Is Gavin Newsom really thinking about NOT running for president? There's a really, really, REALLY racist Republican running for Texas Railroad Commission, and Tim debriefs on a rather contentious interview he did on The Bulwark Daily.Show links: Read JVL’s Monday and Tuesday Triads on the AI race, and how our political leaders can respond. Get your tickets for our September 25 show in Dayton, Ohio to benefit the Springfield, OH Haitian community. Get your copy of How to Eat an Elephant, Sarah’s first book! Get free shipping and 365 day returns with Quince at https://Quince.com/THENEXTLEVEL.Go to https://zbiotics.com/nextlevel anduse NEXTLEVEL at checkout for 15% off any first time orders of ZBiotics probiotics.Make laundry day the best day of the week! Get 20% off your entire order @LaundrySauce with code THENEXTLEVEL at https://laundrysauce.com/THENEXTLEVEL #laundrysaucepod -
1114: Secret Podcast: Trump's 2026 Message: Everything's Fine! 11.09.2026 16minThe Secret Podcast is a special bonus just for paid members of The Bulwark. If you like this preview, become a member at thebulwark.com, on YouTube, or through Apple Podcasts.JVL and Bill Kristol look at the increasingly messy fight to succeed Trump, from JD Vance and Don Jr. to Tucker Carlson, as Trump keeps the possibility of a third term hanging over the party. Plus, the war with Iran is getting worse, Pete Hegseth’s damage to the military is becoming harder to ignore, and 25 years after 9/11, they consider the unsettling question of what terrorism can set in motion long after an attack is over.Sarah, Tim, Sam and JVL are coming to South Carolina, North Carolina, and Atlanta in October for Bulwark LIVE. We’re bringing lots of friends.Tickets are on sale now: https://thebulwark.com/events -
1113: Trump’s Imaginary Presidency Is Going Just Great 08.09.2026 50minTim, Sarah, and JVL discuss Trump's Labor Day Weekend with his favorite person, Corey Lewandowski's possible ‘light extortion,’ and whether Trumpworld will circle the wagons around him. -
1112: Secret Podcast: The Senators Who Suck 04.09.2026 21minToday Sarah and JVL try to figure out who’s worse: John Fetterman or Susan Collins. (Give us your answer in the comments.) Also, the Big Orange Arch is coming. And we chew over Doug Sosnik’s recommendations for the Democratic party. It’s a big show.Weight Loss by Hims offers access to affordable FDA-approved GLP-1 medications, including the Wegovy® pill and Wegovy® pen, with personalized treatment plans and ongoing support. Get started at https://www.hims.com/thenextlevelPlus: it’s almost Book Week!Don’t let Teddy Cancun and High Life Clarence win. Order a copy of Sarah’s book now. (If you haven’t already, I mean.)How to Eat an Elephant drops on Tuesday and the Best Friends really want to get it to #1 on the NYT best seller list. To do that, we have to unseat... a biography of Clarence Thomas by Ted Effing Cruz.Buy it on Bookshop.org: https://bookshop.org/p/books/how-to-eat-an-elephant-one-voter-at-a-time-sarah-longwell/6a0996cb43d2ef5b?ean=9781250464170&bkshp-astro=tBuy it on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/How-Eat-Elephant-Voter-Time/dp/125046417XBecome a Bulwark member to keep watching the full conversation, plus get access to all our members-only shows and segments.Show notes:See Bill Kristol and Doug Sosnik’s conversation: https://conversationswithbillkristol.org/conversation/doug-sosnik-on-two-very-different-elections-2026-and-2028/ -
1111: Ken Paxton Is Running One of the Worst Campaigns in America 01.09.2026 57minTim, Sarah, and JVL discuss the U.S. Supreme Court letting Trump’s ballroom go ahead (for now), why JVL thinks John Roberts is the Susan Collins of the Supreme Court, and whether Sarah is warming up to tearing down the ballroom in 2029. Plus: Trump says Kristen Welker should be punished for pointing out that his endorsed candidates are losing more often, and JVL wonders whether Republicans will have to be an anti-Canada party now. Later: The gang discusses Bari Weiss’s kinda racist headline about Abdul El-Sayed’s past tweets, why elected Republicans around the country (but especially Ken Paxton) are feeling depressed about their midterm prospects, and an absolutely wild story about a Florida congressional candidates in today’s Morning Shots.Right now, save up to 30% on mattresses and up to 35% on everything else when you go to https://Casper.com. Make today a good day, and get yourself some Soul gummies. Go to https://GetSoul.com and use the code THENEXTLEVEL.If you want more of Tim, Sarah, and JVL doing what they do here—looking past the daily Trump spectacle to figure out what survives him, where Democrats have openings, and what the next political era might actually look like—become a Bulwark member and support The Next Level.Show links:Read JVL’s Triad (https://www.thebulwark.com/p/lake-america-and-the-dogma-of-trumpism)Read Andrew Egger’s Morning Shots (https://www.thebulwark.com/p/we-found-her-the-most-absurd-general-election-candidate-te-brown-illinois-florida-congress-fraud-primary-election-putin-whale-orca-polar-bear-russia-ukraine) -
1110: Secret Podcast: Mark Cuban Thinks He Could Run as a Republican. Tim Has Some Bad News. 28.08.2026 30minFull episodes of The Secret Podcast are a special perk just for paid members of the Bulwark. We put almost every video out for free, because we don't think you can save the country from behind a paywall. This is one of the rare things we do reserve just for members. Come ride with us.- Full episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/py-SBnizZ3U- Full episode on Substack: https://www.thebulwark.com/p/mark-cuban-thinks-he-could-run-asJVL is out this week, so Tim and Sarah discuss Mark Cuban’s comments that he could run for president as a Republican (and why Tim isn’t buying it), and Sarah’s conversation with the New York Times discussing her book, and what Democratic voters REALLY want right now. They also discuss the race Rob Sand is running for governor in Iowa. Behind the paywall: Kamala Harris’s 2028 strategy, Hasan Piker discourse, and a fun mailbag segment.Show notes:Read Sarah's conversation with the New York Times:https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/28/opinion/democrats-fighters-trump-republicans.htmlCome hang with the gang—Sarah, Tim, JVL, Sam and friends—during our Bulwark LIVE: Good Fight Tour this October. Tickets are on sale now at: https://thebulwark.com/EventsLet's be together. -
1109: All MAGA Media Can Talk About Now is Trans Sports 25.08.2026 1t 15minTim, Sarah, and JVL are back together for a JAM-PACKED show. -
1108: Secret Podcast: Is Jon Ossoff the One We’ve Been Waiting For? 22.08.2026 23minThe Secret Podcast with JVL and Sarah is exclusively for paid members of the Bulwark on YouTube, Substack and Apple Podcasts.---Sarah and JVL did a BIG show today. Sample awesome:Sen. Darlene Graham says that voters in South Carolina don’t care about Taiwan—they care about boys playing girls sports.Spoiler: There are exactly zero (0) boys in South Carolina playing girls sports.Top CIA analyst Julia Curlee served Trump, Biden, and then Trump again honorably. Then she was fired because some MAGA influencers discovered she was trans.What duty do civil servants owe the country which elected Trump for the second time?Is Jon Ossoff the one we’ve been waiting for? Sarah has him in her Big Four. And you’ll never guess who the other three are.People hate Data Centers. So where is the juice for Democrats?JVL can’t stop/won’t stop beating on tankies and greens.And the birth of a new feature: Pickleball talk!We want to hear from you about any/all of this. Let’s ride.Sarah, Tim, Sam and JVL are coming to South Carolina, North Carolina, and Atlanta in October for Bulwark LIVE. We’re bringing lots of friends.Tickets are on sale now: https://thebulwark.com/eventsOur shows have a habit of selling out. Don’t wait to grab your seats. -
1107: Melania May Be Behind MAGA’s Natalie Harp Freakout 18.08.2026 1t 7minTim, JVL, and Andrew Egger discuss leopards eating faces, human printers, Florida, and more. -
1106: Secret Podcast: American Stasi 15.08.2026 17minFull episodes of The Secret Podcast are available only to paid members of The Bulwark. You can join on Substack, YouTube or Apple Podcasts!Lots of stuff this week.(1) There are still balcony seats left for the Best Friends Show in NYC on September 8. Come sell out the 92nd Street Y with us! You can get tickets here.If we sell this show out, JVL will do something nuts.(2) Sarah, Tim, Sam and I are coming to South Carolina, North Carolina, and Atlanta in October. We’re bringing friends. Tickets go on sale August 21, but Bulwark+ members get access to an exclusive presale on August 18—so join!(3) Then there’s the news: Trump is trying to put his name on the Kennedy Center again. Grandpa is so thirsty. Karoline Leavitt is taking her talent for baldfaced lying to the private sector. Who will be the lucky news organization to buy the privilege of having her lie to its audience? And what lucky liar will inherit her spot behind the podium? JVL loses his mind over the revelation that after DHS agents murdered Alex Pretti, the federal government launched far-reaching investigations against . . . liberal activist groups in Minnesota. This story will take your hate-fire to 11. Sarah was always right about the Wisconsin Democratic primary. Why don’t progressives say a little prayer of thanksgiving for winning a big race in Minnesota with Peggy Flanagan while not having to defend Francesca Hong? Take the W. Also: JVL has some nice things to say about Bernie while Sarah is totally getting there on AOC. (4) And then there’s the feelings talk. JVL has a lot of them. About Flash and mortality and his gratitude to all of you guys.(Also: (5) We have news about Rebecca taking us home.)This isn’t an Instant Classic level show, but it’s a good one. Top quintile for sure. -
1105: Tucker Carlson Learned the Most Dangerous Lesson From Donald Trump 12.08.2026 1t 10minTim, Sarah, and JVL are BACK TOGETHER after a month apart. -
1104: Secret Podcast: The GOAT Episode 07.08.2026 19minFull episodes of The Secret Podcast are available exclusively to paid members of The Bulwark. Join on Substack, Apple Podcast or YouTube!JVL and Tim did a GIANT show this week. Uncanny Callista Gingrich. Thom Tillis publishes his burn book. Tucker’s running for president. Burrito discourse. And more! Seriously: Instant classic. This one goes in the vault.Read JVL’s Triad newsletter: https://www.thebulwark.com/s/thetriadGet $30 off your first order and free croissants for life at https://Wildgrain.com/THENEXTLEVEL. -
1103: Michigan Senate Primary Becomes a Late-Night Nail-Biter 05.08.2026 1t 29minSarah's on vacation, so Sam, Tim, and JVL discuss live results from the (unexpectedly close) Michigan Senate primary, and discuss what an Abdul El-Sayed or Haley Stevens win would mean for November. -
1102: Secret Podcast: You Can See the Bush Line from Your House 31.07.2026 23minSarah and JVL have a It’s a super-sized, instant classic:The Trump administration is using ChatGPT for everything.Why are Cornyn and Tillis even bothering with their fake protest of Todd Blanche?The Dem Senate map is looking . . . possible?Trump has raised $800 million from “donors” since coming back to office.And JVL finally explains why he’s obsessed with 60 Minutes investigative reporter Ross Douthat.Plus: Emo JVL needs your advice in the comments!Ready to reach your goals? Visit https://hims.com/thenextlevel to get a personalized, affordable plan that gets you.Full episodes of the Secret Podcast are available to paid members of the Bulwark through Substack, YouTube or Apple Podcasts. Come ride with us! -
1101: The WHCD Walked Straight Into Trump’s Trap 28.07.2026 1t 8minTim is still on vacation, so Catherine Rampell joins JVL and Sarah to break down the week -
1100: Secret Podcast: The Second Iran War? 24.07.2026 18minPaid members of the Bulwark get access to FULL episodes of the Secret Podcast. You can join via Apple Podcasts, Substack and YouTube.Big show today: It’s the dawn of Streamer JVL? Plus: Some questions for Tom Homan about shooting January 6 insurrectionists; Haley Stevens and authenticity; and the Mitch McConnell conspiracy theory. Also, a conversation about raising good men.But the big topic is the Department of Defense suddenly removing the names of four dead soldiers from the Iran war casualty list because they were killed after Trump declared a ceasefire in April—because there are now apparently two distinct Iran wars. Even though neither of them is, for legal purposes, a “war.”This episode is sponsored by The New York Times. -
1099: This Deranged New Campaign Ad Creeped Us Out! 21.07.2026 1t 2minTim is on summer break, so Will Sommer joins Sarah and JVL to discuss a crazy week in politics. -
1098: Secret Podcast: Trump Voters Say JD Vance Gives Them the Willies 17.07.2026 27minSarah Longwell and Sam Stein (filling in for JVL) discuss Trump’s tedious (and still scary!) election speech, the documents that undercut his election claims, JD Vance’s cringe appearance on Joe Rogan, Trump voters’ brutal reactions to Vance, and Democrats’ missed opportunities at the Todd Blanche hearing.Finally: There are more tickets to see Sarah and JVL on September 8 in NYC! We are about to sell out the orchestra section—but we want to sell out the balcony, too. It’s a point of pride. Come hang with us. Tickets are here: https://www.92ny.org/event/sarah-longwell-how-to-eat-an-elephant -
1097: Sarah’s Latest Focus Group Almost Broke JVL’s Brain 15.07.2026 1t 5minThe whole gang is back together, for the last time until August. -
1096: Secret Podcast: Republicans Screamed About Socialism. Then Trump Did This. 11.07.2026 27minSarah and JVL are back together, looking at Trump’s NATO disgrace, wondering if Mitch McConnell is really talking to people on the phone about detailed policy questions, and analyzing the factional fight in the Democratic party between the people trying to elect Democrats and the insurgents focused on displacing the establishment.Short version: What if Morris Katz is just the left’s Steve Bannon?Also, there’s some personal stuff at the end.Get quality window treatments that fit your budget with 3 Day Blinds. Head to https://3DayBlinds.com/THENEXTLEVEL for their buy one get one 50% off deal on custom blinds, shades, and drapery.Finally: There are more tickets to see Sarah and JVL on September 8 in NYC! We are about to sell out the orchestra section—but we want to sell out the balcony, too. It’s a point of pride. Come hang with us. Tickets are here.
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