Second in Command: The Chief Behind the Chief with Cameron Herold

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  Ep. 599 - Calix COO John Durocher - Why Your Best People May Be in the Wrong Seat 23.07.2026 47min

  What if the smartest move you can make is to disrupt your own company before a competitor does?In this episode, Lindsay Smith sits down with John Durocher, the self-described accidental COO of Calix. John never set out to run operations. He came up through consulting and customer success, never managed a supply chain or an IT org, and that is exactly why his CEO wanted him in the seat. His mandate: question everything.John and Lindsay get into how to lead change when everyone is comfortable, build a leadership team that actually trusts each other, give feedback in the moment rather than at review season, and use AI to take drudgery off people rather than cut headcount. He also shares the directive that shaped his role: go build the company that would beat us.For any second-in-command driving transformation without breaking their people, this is a playbook. Listen now.This episode is brought to you by our Silver Sponsor, Next Level Growth.They help COOs and leadership teams build Elite Organizations through a proven, customizable framework built around the Five Obsessions of Elite Organizations.If you and your leadership team are ready to operate at the next level, take the Elite Organizations Assessment and receive a free 20-page customized report based on your answers, plus a complimentary one-hour coaching session with a Next Level Growth Partner and Business Guide to begin implementing tools that will help you build an even more elite business.Complete the assessment here to get started - nextlevelgrowth.com/cooassessmentTimestamped Highlights[00:01:32] The accidental COO: how a late-night phone call rewrote John’s career[00:08:46] Why the people who succeeded longest have the hardest time changing[00:10:05] Disrupt yourself, or wait to be disrupted... the directive that built his role[00:10:59] When your CEO used to work for you: inside an unusually honest relationship[00:16:11] Why John never waits for a formal review to give hard feedback[00:18:22] The courageous conversation with his boss that became a breakthrough[00:21:03] The team reset that exposes how little colleagues really know each other[00:27:26] Seeing the seams: the bird’s eye view nobody else in the company has[00:29:28] “Staple yourself to the order form” and other ways to fix the customer experience[00:33:46] Fast isn’t always good... what moving too quickly does to an organization[00:36:08] Stop telling your boss why it won’t work. Do this instead.[00:37:25] The COO’s job is to slow down the CEO, not slam on the brakes[00:42:43] Does remote work actually work? John’s rebuttal to the water-cooler myth[00:46:41] What’s next for Calix: AI agents and the smart apartmentAbout the GuestJohn Durocher is the Chief Operations Officer at Calix, where he leads operations across the company, from customer success and commercial operations to supply chain and IT. He joined Calix in 2023 as Chief Customer Officer and stepped into the COO role about a year ago. Before Calix, John spent 17 years at Salesforce leading customer success, where he watched the company grow from $250M to $30B in revenue. He began his career in consulting, including time at Accenture and Arthur Andersen, and describes himself as an accidental COO who treats the job like one long consulting project.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesSalesforce Accenture Michael Weening - President and CEO of CalixAbout the Co-HostLindsay Smith is an experience-driven growth strategist and former Chief Strategy Officer who scaled a new region without a traditional sales team or bloated marketing budget by turning relationships, culture, and execution into revenue. She is the author of No One Needs Another Company Mug. Stop Branding. Start Experiencing and helps leadership teams use experience as a competitive growth lever.🔗 Connect with Lindsay on LinkedInImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Lindsay Smith. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.This episode is brought to you by our Silver Sponsor, Next Level Growth.They help COOs and leadership teams build Elite Organizations through a proven, customizable framework built around the Five Obsessions of Elite Organizations.If you and your leadership team are ready to operate at the next level, take the Elite Organizations Assessment and receive a free 20-page customized report based on your answers, plus a complimentary one-hour coaching session with a Next Level Growth Partner and Business Guide to begin implementing tools that will help you build an even more elite business.Complete the assessment here to get started - nextlevelgrowth.com/cooassessment
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  Ep. 598 - What's the point of a COO? 21.07.2026 35min

  What is a COO actually for, and why do so many CEOs never figure it out?In this solo episode, Cameron Herold tackles a question most CEOs never answer clearly: What is the point of a COO? Working through Chapter 2 of his book Second in Command, he makes the case that there is no single template. The right COO is the one who fits the CEO.Cameron breaks down the traits that set strong seconds-in-command apart. Inward versus outward-facing roles. Translating between departments without being the expert. Finding shortcuts and building systems, the worst employee on the worst day can still run. He shares hard-won lessons from his years as COO of 1-800-GOT-JUNK, including the blowup that spread bad energy through the company for a month.Get the fit wrong, and you get a swamped firefighter. Get it right, and you get real leverage. Listen now.Timestamped Highlights[00:36] – Why there’s no single template for a great COO, only fit[02:16] – Inward or outward facing: which COO does your CEO actually need[04:52] – The role a COO almost always plays, even when nobody sees them[06:05] – Why being a chameleon beats being the smartest expert in the room[08:29] – Empowerment over rescue: the parenting rule that reframes the job[10:36] – The department feud Cameron refereed without taking over the work[11:29] – The burned-out Starbucks sign that exposes a leadership question[13:07] – The currency bet that saved $100,000 a year for every penny[14:13] – The Buffalo snowstorm test for whether a system truly works[15:20] – Strategy or tactics: the Sun Tzu line every COO should sit with[19:07] – The blowup that spread bad energy through the company for a month[19:50] – Why the best COO might be 27, not 57Mentioned ResourcesFree PR by Cameron Herold and Adrian SalamunovicThe E-Myth by Michael GerberGood to Great by Jim CollinsThe Art of War by Sun TzuShopify (Harley Finkelstein, Tobias Lütke)1-800-GOT-JUNK and O2E Brands (Erik Church)Apple (Steve Jobs)Tesla (Elon Musk)Ben & Jerry’s (Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield)Starbucks (Greg Johnson)Dell (Michael Dell)Meta (Facebook) (Sheryl Sandberg)Important LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInClaim your FREE copy: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command, Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
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  Ep. 597 - You.com COO Alex Triplett - How To Make or Break a COO in The First 90 Days 16.07.2026 43min

  What if walking away from the CEO seat was the smartest career move you could make in AI right now?Cameron Herold sits down with Alex Triplett, COO of you.com, the company quietly powering web search for AI agents behind brands like Salesforce, Anthropic, and Harvey. Alex turned down the chance to be a CEO to take the second-in-command seat at a fast-moving AI startup, and he explains exactly why.They get into the operator work most leaders avoid: walking into a 135-person company, making a brutal focus call, and rebuilding the team around a single mission. Alex breaks down his first 90 days, the listening tour that validated his biggest decision, how he sells to enterprise without getting strung along, and the system that keeps him out of the minutiae.Skip this one, and you risk what most new executives do: the right idea at the wrong time, and broken trust. Listen now for the unfiltered COO playbook on focus and timing.Sponsored byGenius Network - An exclusive community for highly successful entrepreneurs, connecting you with top-tier leaders, strategic insights, and powerful relationships to help you grow your business faster and smarter.Learn more: https://www.geniusnetwork.com/Timestamped Highlights10:16 – “Google for AI agents,” explained: the invisible layer your favorite LLM cannot work without13:18 – You might be using you.com right now without knowing it. Here is where it hides in the AI stack15:08 – How to tell a real enterprise deal from a buyer who is just keeping you busy19:56 – The COO superpower hiding in plain sight, and why it gets you a seat at the C-suite table23:08 – Chief of staff or glorified executive assistant? The title too many companies get wrong25:24 – Three companies, one founder: how Richard runs you.com while raising $650M for a frontier lab33:34 – 135 people on day one: the focus call that cut the team to 110, then built it back stronger38:01 – One mission, one North Star, and the moment focus “just exploded” the company39:23 – The first 90 days that make or break a COO: the listening tour that validated everything47:23 – Why this COO leaves messages unread on purpose, and what it taught him about good decisions50:09 – The one-sentence piece of advice he would give his 22-year-old selfAbout the GuestAlex Triplett is the Chief Operating Officer of you.com, the leading web search API for AI agents, serving customers like Salesforce, Anthropic, and Harvey. An investor turned operator, Alex spent the first decade of his career in private equity before moving to the operating side. He served as Global Head of Corporate Development at ION Group, where he helped grow the business from $150 million to $3 billion in revenue, and later as CFO and COO of Appfire. He also chairs the board of the travel app Pangea and holds a degree from the McIntire School of Commerce at the University of Virginia.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesPangeaHarveySalesforce (Agentforce)Anthropic (Claude)OpenAIGoogle GeminiPerplexityxAI (Grok)ServiceNowLovableReplitGensparkAngelListShopifyImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.Sponsored byGenius Network - An exclusive community for highly successful entrepreneurs, connecting you with top-tier leaders, strategic insights, and powerful relationships to help you grow your business faster and smarter.Learn more: https://www.geniusnetwork.com/
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  Ep. 596 - What Is a COO? The 7 Types Every CEO Needs to Know 14.07.2026 29min

  What if the most misunderstood role in business is also the one deciding whether your company scales?In this solo episode, Cameron Herold, founder of the COO Alliance and author of Second in Command, tackles the question every growth-minded CEO eventually faces: what exactly is a COO? Drawing on Bennett and Miles’ research and his own years as second in command at 1-800-GOT-JUNK?, Cameron explains why no two COOs on the planet have the same job, and why the search for a great one starts with the CEO’s own strengths and gaps.He walks through the seven types of COO: Executor, Change Agent, Mentor, Other Half, Partner, Heir Apparent, and MVP, with stories from Shopify, Oracle, Dell, and Facebook, plus the common roles a COO plays as adult in the room, integrator, and moderator.Get this hire wrong, and the person meant to fix the chaos only adds to it. Listen now.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – The question-asking habit that separates growing companies from stuck ones[00:52] – Why most CMOs are interchangeable, but no two COOs share the same job[01:40] – The only non-negotiable requirement for any COO[02:31] – The research that uncovered the seven main categories of COO[04:30] – When a change agent should come from outside the company[05:34] – Why changing a company’s culture is like dealing with teenagers[07:30] – The mentor move that shaped Facebook’s earliest years[08:30] – The marriage test every CEO-COO pairing has to pass[13:18] – The leadership meeting comment that earned Cameron the COO title[18:57] – The homeowner and contractor rule for splitting the what from the how[23:20] – Why the CEO, not the COO, should be the tiebreakerMentioned ResourcesRiding Shotgun: The Role of the COO by Nate Bennett and Stephen A. MilesSecond in Command: The Misunderstood Role of the Chief Operating Officer by Nate Bennett and Stephen A. Miles (Harvard Business Review)Double Double by Cameron HeroldHigh Growth Handbook by Elad GilRocket Fuel by Gino Wickman and Mark C. WintersTraction: Get a Grip on Your Business by Gino WickmanImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookClaim your FREE* copy: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via Delphi*Valid only for CEOs or COO/Second in Command based in the US or Canada at companies wih $2M + revenue.The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
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  Ep. 595 - Rythmia CMO Dr. Jeff McNairy – How to Lead a Visionary Founder Without Choking the Dragon 09.07.2026 48min

  What does it take to keep a brilliant, unpredictable founder from burning down the very thing he built?In this episode, Cameron Herold sits down with Dr. Jeff McNairy, Chief Medical Officer and second in command at Rythmia, the only medically licensed ayahuasca facility in the world. Jeff gave up his psychology license to help build something the medical world said could not exist.He and founder Jerry Powell turned a jungle dive into a 245-person operation that has guided roughly 23,000 guests through a seven-day program. Jeff gets into the two-year fight for a medical license, the indigenous partnership, and the daily work of bridging a medical team with a shamanic one.Most of all, he explains the real job of a second-in-command to a wild founder: not running the strategy, but keeping the person steady enough to keep the company alive. Listen now.Timestamped Highlights[00:07:09] – What Rythmia actually is, and why it calls itself the only one of its kind in the world.[00:08:31] – How many guests have come through the doors, and what the week demands of you before you ever arrive.[00:10:36] – The medical reason a single “healthy” supplement can turn dangerous with ayahuasca.[00:12:42] – Where ayahuasca comes from, and the two plants that have to be combined to make it work.[00:13:56] – The three moments in life your body floods with DMT all on its own.[00:17:02] – How a rehab patient ended up becoming the founder of a company.[00:19:14] – The flaw Jeff kept seeing in Western medicine that sent him looking for something else.[00:21:10] – The addiction that nearly ended Jerry Powell before Rythmia ever existed.[00:24:37] – The decision to build something safer and cleaner than what they first found.[00:31:18] – The license Jeff knew he would have to surrender to go all in.[00:33:44] – How he convinced a conservative government to allow this on the books.[00:36:14] – The hunt for an indigenous lineage still living in the mountains.[00:40:53] – The hardest balancing act in running Rythmia today.[00:43:51] – Why the body absorbs stem cells differently after a week of ceremony.[00:44:37] – The community Jeff and Jerry are building beyond the resort walls.[00:47:37] – How to lead a visionary founder without choking the dragon.[00:51:52] – The advice Jeff would give his 21-year-old self.About the GuestDr. Jeff McNairy is a doctorate-level psychologist (Psy.D., M.P.H.) and the Chief Medical Officer and second-in-command at Rythmia, the only medically licensed ayahuasca facility in the world, located in Guanacaste, Costa Rica. He spent decades in clinical care, from training at UCLA Medical Center to running a drug and alcohol rehab in Malibu, before co-building Rythmia with founder Jerry Powell. Jeff led the two-year effort to secure Rythmia’s medical license with the Costa Rican Ministry of Health and now oversees its medical team of doctors, nurses, and a paramedic alongside the center’s shamanic team, guiding the safety and clinical side of a program that has served guests from all over the world.🔗Website | CompanyMentioned ResourcesRythmia Life Advancement Center – the medically licensed ayahuasca facility in Costa RicaMAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), founded by Rick DoblinAgape International Spiritual Center, founded by Michael BeckwithPassagesUCLA Medical CenterBulletproof, founded by Dave AspreyJoe RoganTim FerrissImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance – The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.Sponsored by:Redirect Health - Affordable healthcare benefits designed to make traditional insurance optional, with 24/7 access to primary care and Rx support that helps businesses reduce costs while keeping employees covered.Learn more: http://www.redirectcoo.com/
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  Ep. 594 - Dark Side of Scaling 07.07.2026 41min

  What if the parts of building a $100 million company nobody posts about are the ones you most need to hear?In this recast episode, Cameron Herold drops the highlight reel and tells the truth about scaling. The near-bankruptcy at $100 million. The $9 million fraud. The nervous breakdown on an elevator floor. The stuff entrepreneurs never post about until years later, if ever.Cameron walks through the crises that actually shaped him, why cash is oxygen, why he stopped chasing balance, and how losing his identity to a logo nearly cost him his health, his marriage, and his closest friendships.It is raw, funny, and uncomfortably honest, and it is the conversation most founders are too scared to have. Revisit it or hear it for the first time. Listen now.Timestamped Highlights[00:01:02] The crises Cameron lived through in 40 years of building companies, and why he never talks about them[00:04:06] The pizza-and-beer night that flipped 12 employees from jealous to terrified[00:05:32] How $5 million in cash drained to zero in nine weeks at 1-800-GOT-JUNK[00:07:15] The bank meeting that exposed how little they understood their own business[00:11:53] A $9 million fraud hidden inside a company everyone loved working for[00:17:00] The elevator floor, the sobbing, and the breakdown nobody saw coming[00:18:26] The doctor's test that put Cameron at a 90%-plus heart attack risk[00:20:51] The podcast invite that turned into an elaborate account takeover[00:27:24] The four words from an employee that changed how Cameron lived[00:30:46] The 17-hour-day math behind the biggest lie Cameron told himself[00:36:12] Why 60% and 57.6% are not the same thing, and what it quietly costs you[00:39:42] The grapefruit at breakfast that signaled Cameron was about to be fired[00:46:27] What a rich life actually looks like to Cameron now[01:11:00] The vacation rule Cameron will fire an employee for ignoringMentioned ResourcesDouble Double by Cameron HeroldVivid Vision by Cameron HeroldWho Not How by Dan Sullivan and Dr. Benjamin HardyThe Gap and the Gain by Dan Sullivan and Dr. Benjamin HardyWTF?! (Willing to Fail) by Brian ScudamoreThe Entrepreneurs' Organization (EO)Dan Pink's TED talk on the science of motivationImportant LinksConnect with Cameron. Website and LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World's Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron's book: Second in Command, Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
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  Ep. 593 - Cowboy Space Corporation COO & CLO Joe Yaffe - The Leadership Secrets Powering a $2B Space Revolution 02.07.2026 47min

  What would you risk to build something that’s never been done, like beaming energy from orbit or launching football-field-sized data centers into space?In this raw conversation, Cameron Herold sits down with Joe Yaffe, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Legal Officer of Cowboy Space Corporation. They dig into the grit, tension, and daily chaos of scaling a $2 billion startup that’s disrupting the commercial space sector. Joe shares his path from buttoned-down law firm partner to space industry executive, revealing the secret levers behind talent acquisition, relentless execution, and leadership in a market obsessed with moonshots.Skip this episode and you may miss the playbook for outpacing ten times bigger rivals. Listen now for a rare, inside-out look at operational leadership under real pressure. This is not the usual founder hype.This episode is brought to you by our Silver Sponsor, Next Level Growth.They help COOs and leadership teams build Elite Organizations through a proven, customizable framework built around the Five Obsessions of Elite Organizations.If you and your leadership team are ready to operate at the next level, take the Elite Organizations Assessment and receive a free 20-page customized report based on your answers, plus a complimentary one-hour coaching session with a Next Level Growth Partner and Business Guide to begin implementing tools that will help you build an even more elite business.Complete the assessment here to get started - nextlevelgrowth.com/cooassessmentTimestamped Highlights00:47 – Why Cowboy Space Corporation had to kill its first name04:51 – The phone call that forced a total company rebrand08:44 – Turning sci-fi into reality with orbital energy grids13:04 – Football-field-sized data centers…the inside story18:27 – How a lawyer actually becomes a high-performing COO20:59 – Why top-tier talent flocks to Cowboy despite fierce competition27:58 – The unspoken rules for hiring (and keeping) world-class engineers34:40 – The real cost of prioritizing in chaos as a second-in-command49:17 – The advice Joe Yaffe would give his 21-year-old selfAbout the GuestJoe Yaffe is the COO & CLO of Cowboy Space Corporation, a $2B commercial space startup building orbital energy grids and advanced data centers. Previously, Joe spent 31 years as an M&A and founders’ counsel at top law firms, advising Silicon Valley’s elite. Now he’s translating legal precision into operational strategy at one of the West Coast’s boldest tech companies.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesRobinhoodElon MuskJeff BezosSpaceXBlue OriginRocket LabStoke SpaceSkadden ArpsFenwick & WestAnthropicOpenAIJoe Polish / Genius NetworkDon’t Make Me Think (book)Important LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.This episode is brought to you by our Silver Sponsor, Next Level Growth.They help COOs and leadership teams build Elite Organizations through a proven, customizable framework built around the Five Obsessions of Elite Organizations.If you and your leadership team are ready to operate at the next level, take the Elite Organizations Assessment and receive a free 20-page customized report based on your answers, plus a complimentary one-hour coaching session with a Next Level Growth Partner and Business Guide to begin implementing tools that will help you build an even more elite business.Complete the assessment here to get started - nextlevelgrowth.com/cooassessment
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  Ep. 592 - Your Employees Can’t Read Your Mind: The Vision Gap 30.06.2026 1h 11min

  Are you really wired to scale, or just bracing for endless chaos?Cameron Herold, the relentless "Business Growth Guru," rips open the playbook on what actually drives proven, sustainable hypergrowth in today's world. With stories from building global brands like 1-800-GOT-JUNK and years in the trenches with top COOs, Cameron refuses to let leaders settle for mediocrity. He dives brutally deep into the operational and psychological traps choking your ambitions, then hands you a clear, actionable path out.Miss this episode, and you risk falling behind a tidal wave of companies finally nailing what you keep saying is “impossible.” Listen now if you’re done with excuses and ready for the real, unfiltered edge on systems, talent, and culture. Nobody else is mapping the way out of the chaos like this.Timestamped Highlights00:59 – The poll that instantly exposes entrepreneurial wiring03:14 – The $100M leap: inside systems that really scale09:04 – The Vivid Vision rewiring that most leaders get wrong17:12 – Why your vision should repel, not just attract22:01 – The underused firing muscle that speeds up growth25:57 – The “A Player” myth that’s costing you millions39:01 – Brutal truth: why you’re investing all your energy in the wrong people51:01 – Delegation, coaching, AI… why you won’t survive unless you develop these nowMentioned ResourcesCollege Pro PaintersBoyd Autobody & GlassEOS (Entrepreneurial Operating System)“Good to Great” by Jim Collins The Secret (movie)Simon Sinek (Start With Why)Important LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
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  Ep. 591 - Twentyeight Health COO Mara Castro - How To Avoid These Deadly Traps in Operations Success 25.06.2026 46min

  How do you actually scale without losing yourself or your team in the chaos?In this conversation, Sivana Brewer sits down with Mara Castro, COO at Twentyeight Health and former Warby Parker trailblazer, to dissect what it takes to build, lead, and sustain high-performing teams in brutally demanding, mission-driven environments. Expect raw takes on leadership, the dangerous myth of “just do more,” and what it really means to earn trust as a COO.If you’ve ever wondered why some leaders quietly burn out while others keep their team charging ahead, you cannot afford to miss this episode. Hear exclusive, battle-tested insights you won’t find in any COO playbook. Don’t settle for “what everyone does” and listen now before these lessons become your competitors’ next unfair advantage.Sponsored byGenius Network - An exclusive community for highly successful entrepreneurs, connecting you with top-tier leaders, strategic insights, and powerful relationships to help you grow your business faster and smarter.Learn more: https://www.geniusnetwork.com/Timestamped Highlights00:22 – The unexpected journey from nonprofit roots to COO02:37 – Why a career break fueled a powerhouse comeback05:34 – The untold value of prior relationships for landing big roles09:14 – Networking for introverts: How authentic connections really win10:15 – The counterintuitive 90-day blueprint every new COO must follow13:06 – The art of KPI clarity and not getting sucked into the weeds17:50 – The hidden trap of too much complexity in health tech33:23 – Why guiding, not micromanaging, unlocks leadership at scale39:30 – The radical power of raising the white flag earlyAbout the GuestMara Castro is the COO at Twentyeight Health, where she leads product, engineering, clinical operations, and pharmacy for a fast-scaling women’s telehealth platform. Previously, the first employee at Warby Parker, she helped build and scale one of the most celebrated brands in DTC history, before driving expansion at Evolve in hospitality tech. Her results-driven, human-focused approach makes her a standout leader in growth and transformation.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesWarby ParkerEvolveDale Carnegie – "How to Win Friends and Influence People"Lean Six Sigma – DMAIC frameworkSlackNetflixAbout the Co-HostSivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedInImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.Sponsored byGenius Network - An exclusive community for highly successful entrepreneurs, connecting you with top-tier leaders, strategic insights, and powerful relationships to help you grow your business faster and smarter.Learn more: https://www.geniusnetwork.com/
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  Ep. 590 - Wellbiz Brands COO Ankin Laysha - How to Instantly Upgrade Your Multi-Brand Operations 23.06.2026 57min

  What does it truly take to lead five powerhouse brands… and keep every single customer and franchisee loyal? In this candid conversation, Ankin Laysha, COO of Wellbiz Brands, reveals what most COOs miss about operational scale, brand integrity, and building elite franchise teams that actually deliver.If you think brand consistency is just a checklist and that operations is paperwork, think again. From the brutal realities of breaking into the executive suite as a female leader to the battle of standardization versus brand magic, Ankin cuts through the noise on what works now.Tune in or miss the proven moves that keep 700+ franchises competitive. If you want to avoid getting left behind and hear the realities other execs won’t share, this episode is your advanced playbook. Listen today and don’t settle for surface-level leadership.Timestamped Highlights00:58 – Why female leadership is finally taking over the executive suite03:01 – The unexpected advantage of running five brands at once06:23 – The overlooked tools behind flawless brand consistency09:53 – Brutal truth: franchisee complaints vs. customer reality13:59 – The hard lesson on platform thinking and brand magic17:00 – The moment in-the-field leadership unlocked real innovation20:36 – What working front desk taught her about operational blind spots30:10 – How surprise and delight moments quietly crush the competition40:08 – The fast-track strategy for building trust with frontline teams53:04 – AI’s real role in service businesses (and where human connection wins)About the GuestAnkin Laysha is the Chief Operating Officer of Wellbiz Brands, overseeing 700+ franchise locations across Drybar, Elements Massage, Amazing Lash Studio, Radiant Waxing, and Fitness Together. With a track record in multi-unit retail, franchise scale, and innovation, Ankin is recognized for operational rigor, brand growth, and building high-performance executive teams.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesDrybarElements MassageAmazing Lash StudioRadiant WaxingFitness Together24 Hour FitnessMcKinsey & CompanyAbout the Co-HostLindsay Smith is an experience-driven growth strategist and former Chief Strategy Officer. This marks her first episode as official co-host of the podcast. She previously scaled a new region without a traditional sales team or bloated marketing budget by turning relationships, culture, and execution into revenue. She is the author of No One Needs Another Company Mug. Stop Branding. Start Experiencing and helps leadership teams use experience as a competitive growth lever.🔗 Connect with Lindsay on LinkedInImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Lindsay Smith. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
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  Ep. 589 - Joe Taylor Restoration President Aaron Getty - Are You Built to Be the Founder’s Most Trusted Leader? 18.06.2026 48min

  Ever felt the raw pressure of holding a company’s fate and the founder’s trust in your hands?Lindsay Smith drills into the no-filter reality of the “second in command” role, sitting down with Aaron Getty, President of Joe Taylor Restoration. This is not your average COO conversation.Aaron Getty lifts the curtain on his wild ride from sales rep to running every part of a rapidly scaling restoration business. He exposes the brutally honest partnership between visionary founders and operators, the loneliness most COOs quietly endure, and why clear vision beats perfection every day. You’ll hear why most leadership “rules” are outdated, how to nurture real growth (not just bigger headcount), and what separates those who thrive from those who buckle under pressure.Listen now, or risk missing the exact frameworks and mindsets that separate average executives from legends. This is an insider’s playbook you won’t hear anywhere else and the shifts revealed here will shape your next leadership move.Timestamped Highlights00:00 – The vivid vision move that erased all guesswork overnight03:06 – Thriving with a founder who never stops—how to lead without being the brakes06:19 – The “loneliest seat” in the company and the hidden weights of the COO08:51 – How Aaron built an unstoppable leadership team from scratch12:47 – The slow, relentless sales approach that future-proofs your business15:01 – When leaders outgrow their teams: What happens next19:21 – The one training that finally unified frontline and executive growth30:06 – The vivid vision launch party and what it did for company velocity33:57 – Letting go: Why Aaron wants less decision-making power, not moreAbout the GuestAaron Getty is President of Joe Taylor Restoration, a powerhouse in Florida’s emergency mitigation industry. With over a decade earned in the trenches, he’s scaled the company from a seven-person shop to a 100+ member, seven-location force—setting a new standard for operational leadership in the high-stakes restoration sector.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesTraction by Gino WickmanScaling Up by Verne HarnishExtreme Ownership by Jocko WillinkGood to Great by Jim Collins10x Is Easier Than 2x by Dan SullivanAbout the Co-HostLindsay Smith is an experience-driven growth strategist and former Chief Strategy Officer. This marks her first episode as official co-host of the podcast. She previously scaled a new region without a traditional sales team or bloated marketing budget by turning relationships, culture, and execution into revenue. She is the author of No One Needs Another Company Mug. Stop Branding. Start Experiencing and helps leadership teams use experience as a competitive growth lever.🔗 Connect with Lindsay on LinkedInImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Lindsay Smith. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.Sponsored by:Redirect Health - Affordable healthcare benefits designed to make traditional insurance optional, with 24/7 access to primary care and Rx support that helps businesses reduce costs while keeping employees covered.Learn more: http://www.redirectcoo.com/
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  Ep. 588 - FAN FAVORITE | Former SaaS Academy (now Precision) COO Matt Verlaque 16.06.2026 46min

  What if your next big business breakthrough started with owning your own blind spots?This Fan Favorite episode throws you in the trenches with Cameron Herold and SaaS Academy's former COO and current CEO Matt Verlachi, as they go far beyond surface-level business banter. From surviving firefighting chaos to building, selling, and now scaling SaaS Academy, Matt Verlachi exposes the real skills that make or break Second in Commands. They unpack why customer obsession cures more growth headaches than any software, how to weaponize one-on-ones for radical team development, and what most COOs get dead wrong about CEO dynamics.Miss this? You risk coasting on old habits while others engineer unfair advantages. Listen now for hard-won tactics you won’t find in any business course from the world’s largest SaaS coaching engine. Timestamped Highlights00:45 – The firefighting mindset that built decisive business instincts05:56 – The overlooked power of “small unit” teams to unlock real growth09:44 – Are you a COO trapped in a CEO’s title? The unexpected identity test13:43 – Brutal truths about customer obsession and why most leaders fail here16:18 – The lesson no founder learns soon enough when selling their company18:22 – The surprising reason joining SaaS Academy changed his life21:31 – The founder’s hidden block: How self-worth destroys pricing27:31 – The counterintuitive leadership split that 10x’d their decision speed41:07 – How his “full-person” one-on-ones rip open performance breakthroughs About the GuestMatt Verlaque was the former COO of SaaS Academy (now Precision), steering operational strategy for the largest coaching platform serving B2B SaaS entrepreneurs. With first-hand experience ranging from firefighting to founding and selling a SaaS startup, he delivers operating wisdom forged under real pressure. He is currently serving as the CEO at Precision, where they help growth-minded founders understand how their business actually works so they can scale with clarity, not chaos.🔗 LinkedIn | Website Mentioned ResourcesGreat CEO Within by Matt MocharyJoe Polish / Genius Network1-800-GOT-JUNKDan MartellShopify (Tobias Lütke, Harley Finkelstein)CrossFitUP Launch Important LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via Delphi Note: This Fan Favorite episode is a recast of one of our most impactful interviews, still packed with insights for second-in-command leaders. Whether it’s your first listen or a revisit, there’s timeless value inside. The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
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  Ep. 587 - Soma Breath Co-Founder & COO Gary Torrens - How to Effortlessly Scale Your Breathwork Business 11.06.2026 38min

  What happens when you try to build a global movement teaching people how to breathe in an industry exploding with competition? Gary Torrens, co-founder and Second in Command at Soma Breath, sits down with Cameron Herold to reveal what most operators never say out loud. This conversation punches into operational realities: remote chaos, hiring struggles, visionary partner dynamics, and the brutal truth about what actually works when building a scalable certification business.Breathwork is everywhere, but Soma Breath’s story is different. You’ll hear how they went from wild psilocybin-fueled vision quests in Thailand to leading thousands of facilitators and facing the tough tradeoffs of pricing, growth, and culture. If you want to understand the Second in Command power dynamic and see the inside of a company growing faster than most can handle, this episode is your shortcut.Listen now or risk missing the real-world roadmap and the costly mistakes that separate scalable movements from also-rans. Only here: Gary’s unfiltered answers and their playbook for the next stage.This episode is brought to you by our Silver Sponsor, Next Level Growth.They help COOs and leadership teams build Elite Organizations through a proven, customizable framework built around the Five Obsessions of Elite Organizations.If you and your leadership team are ready to operate at the next level, take the Elite Organizations Assessment and receive a free 20-page customized report based on your answers, plus a complimentary one-hour coaching session with a Next Level Growth Partner and Business Guide to begin implementing tools that will help you build an even more elite business.Complete the assessment here to get started - nextlevelgrowth.com/cooassessmentTimestamped Highlights06:53 – The unexpected business model nobody saw coming10:14 – Ancient breathing meets modern science: the strategy that sparked a movement13:10 – Why they priced the membership low—and the hidden risks17:16 – Remote chaos: problems they never saw coming with a global team22:10 – The controversial move to focus on city-based expansion24:19 – The real marketing mess they had to fix after explosive growth27:08 – The truth behind their biggest revenue engine34:07 – Gary’s brutal leadership lesson that changed everythingAbout the GuestGary Torrens is co-founder and COO of Soma Breath. He helped turn a visionary idea blending ancient breathwork, modern science, and music into a global certification platform with 4,000+ facilitators. With a background in physics, finance, and digital marketing, Gary is known for building systems that scale impact, not just revenue.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesMindvalleyZumbaCrossFitEOSCalmLovableJason CampbellChip Wilson (Lululemon)Sam SkellyVishen Lakhiani (Mindvalley founder)Ayahuasca, DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, Ketamine (psychedelics referenced)The Renegade PharmacistImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.This episode is brought to you by our Silver Sponsor, Next Level Growth.They help COOs and leadership teams build Elite Organizations through a proven, customizable framework built around the Five Obsessions of Elite Organizations.If you and your leadership team are ready to operate at the next level, take the Elite Organizations Assessment and receive a free 20-page customized report based on your answers, plus a complimentary one-hour coaching session with a Next Level Growth Partner and Business Guide to begin implementing tools that will help you build an even more elite business.Complete the assessment here to get started - nextlevelgrowth.com/cooassessment
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  Ep. 586 - FAN FAVORITE | Former WIO Bank COO Jamal Al Awadhi – How Elite COOs Deliver Massive Value Even Faster 09.06.2026 50min

  What if everything you know about starting and scaling a bank is wrong?In this Fan Favorite episode, Cameron Herold uncovers the real story behind WIO Bank with former COO Jamal Al Awadhi, a leader fueling the UAE’s platform banking revolution. From Abu Dhabi’s government-driven vision to the ferocious war for top talent, Jamal lays out how to break tradition, lead through chaos, and unlock transformative team culture.If you skip this episode, you’ll miss out on first-hand insights into word-of-mouth-driven growth, the secret sauce for hiring resilient operators, and the unfiltered truth about working with sovereign wealth funds. Listen now to tap hard-won lessons you won’t find anywhere else. Your next strategic leap could depend on it.Timestamped Highlights01:13 – The immigrant mindset shaping global leadership grit06:04 – The real reason WIO Bank launched in the UAE—exposed09:09 – Unpacking painful problems traditional banking ignored14:00 – Did regulations crush or catalyze digital banking?15:42 – Competing with legacy players: a blunt take on building trust18:04 – Why word-of-mouth blew up WIO’s customer growth overnight26:57 – The resilience litmus test: how to hire for hypergrowth chaos37:02 – Inside the CEO-COO dynamic that keeps a rocketship on track43:36 – Game-changing leadership lessons that rewired Jamal’s styleAbout the GuestJamal Al Awadhi was the Chief Operating Officer of WIO Bank, Abu Dhabi’s breakout digital platform bank. With over a decade in marketing, strategy, and operations across industries, Jamal blends international perspective with deep regional expertise to drive game-changing innovation and hypergrowth at one of the UAE’s fastest-scaling financial disruptors. Currently, he is the CEO of Al Hilal Bank.🔗 WebsiteMentioned ResourcesWIO BankADQ Investment BankInterNationsDynamite CircleHenley Business School1-800-GOT-JUNKImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiNote: This Fan Favorite episode is a recast of one of our most impactful interviews, still packed with insights for second-in-command leaders. Whether it’s your first listen or a revisit, there’s timeless value inside.The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
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  Ep. 585 - Cedars-Sinai Medical Network Vice President & COO Alen Voskanian - How COOs Can Beat Burnout Before It Breaks Them 04.06.2026 42min

  Are you secretly running on empty, wondering if burnout is targeting you next?In this episode, Alen Voskanian, COO of Cedars-Sinai Medical Network and author, pulls back the curtain on the raw realities beneath operations leadership. From the constant grind of clinical environments to the personal toll of endless firefighting, Voskanian exposes why burnout hits high performers hardest and how ignoring your creative side can quietly sabotage your impact. This isn’t just about wellness platitudes. It’s a real-world look at chasing fulfillment, designing systems that beat chaos, and the unexpected arts that make leaders resilient.If you’re a COO (or run with one), you can’t afford to miss these insights. The game has changed. Listen now or risk staying stuck in cycles that will bury both your team and your spirit. This is the side of leadership nobody else is showing you.Sponsored byGenius Network - An exclusive community for highly successful entrepreneurs, connecting you with top-tier leaders, strategic insights, and powerful relationships to help you grow your business faster and smarter.Learn more: https://www.geniusnetwork.com/Timestamped Highlights00:25 – The real reason burnout is rampant among COOs and physicians04:12 – The under-the-radar roles that secretly prepared him for operations07:29 – Three unconventional ways to master leadership fast12:18 – Why stand-up comedy became his secret tool for resilience15:57 – The hidden danger in neglecting your creative life as a leader19:53 – Brutal realities of burnout nobody is willing to admit29:55 – How lean principles are quietly transforming healthcare operations39:09 – What people on their deathbeds taught him about fulfillment and regretAbout the GuestAlen Voskanian, MD, MBA, is the Vice President and COO of Cedars-Sinai Medical Network. A board-certified physician in Family Medicine and Hospice & Palliative Medicine, he’s also an author and sought-after keynote speaker. Alen is known for transforming healthcare to improve access and quality. He holds degrees from UC Berkeley, UC Irvine, and an MBA from Indiana University. He’s a former innovation advisor for CMS, a Cunniff-Dixon/Hastings Center Physician Award winner, and a Health Innovators Fellow with the Aspen Global Leadership Network.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned Resources“Reclaiming the Joy of Medicine” by Alen VoskanianIndiana University School of Medicine – Physician MBA trackRyan Holiday, “The Daily Dad”Lean, Six Sigma, and performance improvement frameworksLinkedIn (as a platform for learning and connection)Coursera (for free courses)Clean Six Sigma concepts from Toyota productionAbout the Co-HostSivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedInImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.Sponsored byGenius Network - An exclusive community for highly successful entrepreneurs, connecting you with top-tier leaders, strategic insights, and powerful relationships to help you grow your business faster and smarter.Learn more: https://www.geniusnetwork.com/
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  Ep. 584 - FAN FAVORITE | Former KENNEDY24 Presidential Campaign Director Amaryllis Kennedy – How to Build an Unstoppable Political Campaign Machine 02.06.2026 1h 1min

  What do you risk when you run a mission-driven campaign that breaks every rule in politics? Amaryllis Kennedy isn’t just directing the KENNEDY24 presidential campaign. She’s rewriting the playbook on grassroots leadership, digital disruption, and brutal operational honesty.In this Fan Favorite unfiltered episode, Cameron Herold dives deep with Amaryllis on the real strategies behind building a nimble, values-first organization in the most polarized landscape imaginable. She reveals the raw tension of building trust, keeping chaos at bay, and rescuing authenticity from a world addicted to power and performance. Hard-won lessons from Silicon Valley and the CIA collide with everyday realities of parenting, digital activism, and fighting the system from the inside.If you miss this conversation, you miss the forbidden playbook on what leadership really looks like when the stakes are generational. Listen now for a front-row seat on strategy you won’t get anywhere else and discover why the real power lies in what you’re willing to disrupt.Timestamped Highlights00:44 – The counterintuitive campaign strategy that energizes a disillusioned public05:17 – Why young people are secretly shaping America’s future08:05 – How breaking political storytelling rules actually breaks through13:04 – The brutal inside story behind government overreach19:47 – A behind-the-scenes look into a campaign where careers are truly on the line24:00 – The ballot access chaos that forces real innovation30:31 – Why authenticity beats perfection in a runaway grassroots movement35:32 – Democratizing campaign fundraising with bold gamified tactics47:44 – The sacred job of protecting your leader so they can really listen59:35 – The surprising benefit of Sabbath-style strategy in hypergrowthAbout the GuestAmaryllis Fox Kennedy is a former CIA intelligence officer, author, and advocate focused on diplomacy, conflict resolution, and public policy. She is the bestselling author of Life Undercover: Coming of Age in the CIA and host of Netflix’s The Business of Drugs. She also served as a senior advisor and campaign surrogate during Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s 2024 presidential campaign. She currently serves as Deputy Director of National Intelligence for Policy and Capabilities.🔗 WebsiteMentioned ResourcesKENNEDY24 campaignNetflix – The Business of DrugsApple – TV series based on Amaryllis's memoirBobby Kennedy Jr.Conde NastHearstGenius NetworkBurning ManTwitter (as previous tech experience)Georgetown UniversityOxford UniversityBrown University (used as a reference for war statistics)Important LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiNote: This Fan Favorite episode is a recast of one of our most impactful interviews, still packed with insights for second-in-command leaders. Whether it’s your first listen or a revisit, there’s timeless value inside.The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
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  Ep. 583 - NSBE CFO & COO Stanton Hill - How to Build Unstoppable COO Teams That Win 28.05.2026 46min

  What does it really take to sit in the second seat and do it with drive, grace, and guts? In this episode, Lindsay uncovers the journey and mindset of Stanton Hill, the Chief Financial and Operating Officer for the National Society of Black Engineers. From his unexpected path into leadership to the high-stakes pivots required during a crisis, Stanton Hill reveals the nuts and bolts (and the emotional work) of steering a student-governed organization with 25,000+ members.If you’re wrestling with hybrid teams, retention headaches, or scaling real culture, this is your masterclass. Avoid missing real-world tactics on delegation, resilience, and helping people thrive even when the world flips upside down. Listen now for the brutal, refreshing clarity on what it takes to lead from the number two seat while building a legacy that outlasts your title.Timestamped Highlights00:40 – The real reason student governance keeps NSBE thriving02:22 – The moment a father invests for life in his son’s future06:04 – How a COO earns trust and evolves during big leadership shifts10:06 – Brutal revenue risks when in-person events collapse overnight13:02 – The hidden reality behind hybrid events few executives know16:12 – Career fair hacks that build total confidence in seconds17:20 – The overlooked muscle every COO needs: leading with empathy29:07 – The ruthless approach to blocking out overwhelm, not just emails40:12 – How personal adversity can forge leaders who never flinchAbout the GuestStanton Hill brings two decades of experience in financial strategy and nonprofit operations. Prior to joining NSBE, he held several roles at the United Negro College Fund (UNCF), where he managed multimillion-dollar operating budgets, streamlined financial processes, and led grant management initiatives totaling over $30 million. He began his career with a focus on business analytics and process optimization and has since advanced through NSBE's leadership ranks: from Director of Finance and Accounting to Chief Financial Officer, and now Chief Financial & Operating Officer. Stanton Hill earned his Bachelor of Arts in Business Administration from Morehouse College and a Master of Business Administration with a concentration in Innovation, Entrepreneurship, and High Technology from Northeastern University. He resides in Georgia with his wife Adrienne and their sons Davis and Carter. 🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesUnited Negro College Fund (UNCF)Six SigmaProject Management Professional (PMP)About the Co-HostLindsay Smith is an experience-driven growth strategist and former Chief Strategy Officer who scaled a new region without a traditional sales team or bloated marketing budget by turning relationships, culture, and execution into revenue. She is the author of No One Needs Another Company Mug. Stop Branding. Start Experiencing and helps leadership teams use experience as a competitive growth lever.🔗 Connect with Lindsay on LinkedInImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Lindsay Smith. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.Sponsored by:Redirect Health - Affordable healthcare benefits designed to make traditional insurance optional, with 24/7 access to primary care and Rx support that helps businesses reduce costs while keeping employees covered.Learn more: http://www.redirectcoo.com/
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  Ep. 582 - FAN FAVORITE | Somewhere COO Benjamin Surman – How Top COOs Slash Headcount and Boost Profits 26.05.2026 38min

  What if cutting half your team could be the secret to explosive growth?In this Fan Favorite episode, Cameron Herold sits down with Benjamin Surman, COO of Somewhere (formerly Support Shepherd), a company that rocketed from $1M to $25M and is still hungry for more. The conversation tackles the real-world, often-unspoken operational questions: When do you fire instead of hire? Where’s the hidden margin in automation? Why are so many leaders clinging to headcount when systems could do the job faster, cheaper, and with less chaos?If you’re addicted to the idea that bigger is always better, this episode will shake your assumptions. Miss it and risk drowning in legacy thinking while your competitors eat your lunch. Listen now for the strategic edge you won’t hear anywhere else.Timestamped Highlights00:48 – The real reason behind a bold global rebrand02:29 – How one contractor quietly took the reins as COO08:54 – Why bootstrapping (not VC money) set the right culture11:00 – The micro-influencer lever that brings 4,000 referral partners13:25 – What no one tells you about hiring in Latin America17:41 – The $3M decision: Slashing 120 employees with zero regrets20:13 – Behind the curtain of an automated sales pipeline25:37 – The COO playbook for uncovering invisible inefficienciesAbout the GuestBenjamin Surman is the Chief Operating Officer of Somewhere, a hyper-growth headhunting agency revolutionizing global talent acquisition. With a relentless focus on automation and operational excellence, Benjamin Surman has scaled the business from $1M to over $25M in just three years.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesMy First Million PodcastSean Puri, Sam Parr, Nick HuberHubSpotRecruit CRMMichael Gerber – The E Myth RevisitedImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiNote: This Fan Favorite episode is a recast of one of our most impactful interviews, still packed with insights for second-in-command leaders. Whether it’s your first listen or a revisit, there’s timeless value inside.The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
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  Ep. 581 - CoinMe COO Sung Choi - Life After Acquisition: Surprising Wins and Brutal Costs 21.05.2026 41min

  What happens when a regulated fintech meets the wild swings of crypto and then gets acquired by a Web3 giant?In this no-fluff conversation, Cameron Herold sits face-to-face with Sung Choi, COO of CoinMe, just months after their high-stakes Polygon Labs acquisition. They get blunt about what it really takes to survive in crypto, how to lead through M&A chaos without losing your best people, and why AI is rapidly rewriting the rules of operational excellence.If you want to hear war stories and hard-earned lessons from the frontlines of scaling a volatile, regulated business, this is your episode. Don’t risk missing the sharpest insights on leadership, remote culture, and how to stay relevant through uncertainty. Listen now for playbook-level takeaways you won’t get anywhere else.This episode is brought to you by our Silver Sponsor, Next Level Growth.They help COOs and leadership teams build Elite Organizations through a proven, customizable framework built around the Five Obsessions of Elite Organizations.If you and your leadership team are ready to operate at the next level, take the Elite Organizations Assessment and receive a free 20-page customized report based on your answers, plus a complimentary one-hour coaching session with a Next Level Growth Partner and Business Guide to begin implementing tools that will help you build an even more elite business.Complete the assessment here to get started - nextlevelgrowth.com/cooassessmentTimestamped Highlights00:06 – The brutal reality of CoinMe’s early hardware dreams11:10 – Why powering partners crushed owning infrastructure13:04 – “M&A is like polyamorous dating” and what nobody tells you17:14 – The tension of disclosure and keeping employees sane22:25 – A surprising pivot: from bitcoin hype to stablecoin utility26:29 – The regrets and rewards of abandoning office life30:26 – How “work from anywhere” delivers hidden productivity34:01 – Why AI is now their secret operating system44:23 – The one leadership skill every modern COO must masterAbout the GuestSung Choi is the Chief Operating Officer at CoinMe, a leading regulated platform for stablecoin and crypto payments. With full-stack experience in scaling teams and driving innovation, he steered CoinMe through its pivotal acquisition by Polygon Labs. Sung Choi is recognized for blending real-world grit with bleeding-edge tech in fintech.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesPolygon LabsCoinstarPantera CapitalDigital Currency Group (DCG)Gemini (AI tool)Claude (AI tool)ChatGPTiTex (formerly ubarter.com)Goldman SachsOKRs frameworkImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Lindsay Smith. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.This episode is brought to you by our Silver Sponsor, Next Level Growth.They help COOs and leadership teams build Elite Organizations through a proven, customizable framework built around the Five Obsessions of Elite Organizations.If you and your leadership team are ready to operate at the next level, take the Elite Organizations Assessment and receive a free 20-page customized report based on your answers, plus a complimentary one-hour coaching session with a Next Level Growth Partner and Business Guide to begin implementing tools that will help you build an even more elite business.Complete the assessment here to get started - nextlevelgrowth.com/cooassessment
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  Ep. 580 - Rapid SOS President & COO José Mejia - Why Every COO Needs a Merlin-Style Leadership Edge 19.05.2026 56min

  What if the best leaders are the least visible? In this episode, José Mejia pulls back the curtain on how a Venezuelan teen with just $120 became a transformational COO, unpacking what it really means to be the “Merlin” behind the CEO. This intimate conversation unlocks how true leaders create common ground, give permission to execute, and wield vulnerability as a superpower, especially in high-stakes, purpose-driven companies like Rapid SOS.If you think AI will automate your edge, think again. José Mejia shows why the human element, experiences, handwritten notes, and emotional role modeling, drive outcomes tech never will. Miss this episode, and you keep searching for culture and leadership hacks, while the real magic quietly passes you by. Push play now for insights you won’t find anywhere else.This episode is sponsored by our Silver Sponsor, STS Capital Partners: Your expert guides on the journey to an Extraordinary Exit™. To learn more about STS Capital Partners and how they achieve maximum value by Selling to Strategics™, complete the inquiry form here: https://stscapital.com/coo-alliance/Timestamped Highlights00:33 – The unlikely airport arrival that rewired Jose’s confidence for life06:24 – The “self-directed team” principle that built a 40-year inner circle09:16 – Why leaders must channel Merlin, not the King, to win with teams11:18 – The brutal difference purpose makes when lives are on the line13:23 – What true CEO-COO alignment REALLY looks like behind closed doors16:44 – Underground, Battleground, Common Ground: The language that kills or creates culture20:12 – How AI quietly transforms operator decisions in real emergencies31:05 – The unspoken burden of leading a company where mistakes can cost livesAbout the GuestJosé Mejia is the President and COO of Rapid SOS, leading a team of 500+ to save lives at scale. With a career spanning IBM, Lucent, and high-growth startups, Jose has built self-directed teams and organizational cultures admired worldwide. His “Merlin” approach to leadership is redefining how rapid-growth companies scale with heart.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesIBMDuke UniversityLucent and Bell LabsAndy Grove (former CEO of Intel; High Output Management book)Soul on Fire (book and movie)Magic Cabaret, ChicagoSlackGoogle DocsAbout the Co-HostLindsay Smith is an experience-driven growth strategist and former Chief Strategy Officer who scaled a new region without a traditional sales team or bloated marketing budget by turning relationships, culture, and execution into revenue. She is the author of No One Needs Another Company Mug. Stop Branding. Start Experiencing and helps leadership teams use experience as a competitive growth lever.🔗 Connect with Lindsay on LinkedInImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Lindsay Smith. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.This episode is sponsored by our Silver Sponsor, STS Capital Partners: Your expert guides on the journey to an Extraordinary Exit™. To learn more about STS Capital Partners and how they achieve maximum value by Selling to Strategics™, complete the inquiry form here: https://stscapital.com/coo-alliance/