Back Row with Amy Odell

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• Stylist to Billionaires Reveals How the Ultra-Rich Really Shop — and How Much They Spend 01.06.2026 39min

  I sat down with Mary Gonsalves Kinney, founder of MGK Style and personal stylist to tech billionaires, politicians, and athletes, to go inside the world of how the ultra-wealthy really shop. Mary reveals what billionaires' closets actually look like, how much her clients spend per session, and what the fashion industry's pivot to the 1% means for everyone else. This is part of a paywalled episode. Subscribe to Back Row Premium to access the full episode and all paywalled newsletters at https://www.backrow.net/subscribe. For podcast access only, subscribe in Apple or Spotify. CHAPTERS: 00:00 – Introduction 01:00 – How Mary Styles Billionaires 03:40 – What Billionaires Actually Tell Their Stylist 04:49 – Dressing Women in Tech 08:03 – What's Really Inside a Billionaire's Closet 13:24 – Shopper vs. Stylist: What's the Difference? 14:36 – Sticker Shock: The $4,000 Nylon Sundress 15:31 – Why the Aspirational Customer No Longer Exists 29:15 – How Much Do They Spend Per Year? 32:17 – How Luxury Brands Are Quietly Changing Their Strategy Follow Mary Gonsalves Kinney: https://www.instagram.com/mgkstyle/ https://www.mgkstyle.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• The Met Gala Then vs. Now: How ‘The First Monday in May’ Holds Up 10 Years Later [TEASER] 26.05.2026 33min

  I took off for the holiday this week, so I'm unlocking half of a previously paywalled episode in which podcaster and reality television/documentary expert Kate Casey and I rewatch The First Monday in May, the documentary about the planning of the 2015 Met Gala. Featuring Anna Wintour hob-knobbing with canceled celebs, bandying her venti Starbucks around the Met, and more! Sign up for Back Row Premium to hear the full episode at BackRow.net to get newsletter access included with your subscription. Or sign up in Apple Podcasts or Spotify for podcast access only. CHAPTERS: 02:20 – How ‘The First Monday in May’ Got Made 09:20 – The Story Behind the Alexander McQueen Exhibition 12:40 – Anna Wintour is an Outfit Repeater 17:20 – Anna’s Venti Starbucks Cup 27:00 – Could the Met Pull Off ‘China Through the Looking Glass’ Today? 33:50 – Subscribe for the Full Film Recap! Follow Kate Casey: ↳ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/katecaseyca/?hl=en ↳ YouTube: @realitylifewithkatecasey ↳ Reality Life with Kate Casey: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/reality-life-with-kate-casey/id1154758766 ↳ Substack:https://katecasey.substack.com?utm_source=navbar&utm_medium=web Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• How Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen Built Two Billion-Dollar Empires (Part 1) 18.05.2026 59min

  Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen were on television before they could talk and millionaires before they could read. Former Us Weekly editor-in-chief Dan Wakeford, author of the new Celebrity Intelligence newsletter, joins Back Row to break down the Full House casting story, the Dual Star empire, the billion-dollar licensing machine, and the NYU years that changed everything. Part Two — revealing the secrets behind The Row — is available to Premium subscribers. Sign up at Back Row to get newsletter access included with your subscription, or in Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Chapters 00:00 Introduction 01:40 Dan Wakeford and Celebrity Intelligence 02:47 Why the Olsens are a unique case study 07:50 The Full House casting story 10:07 The reality of child stardom 16:22 How their personalities diverged early 19:49 From pennies to $80,000 an episode 26:27 The home video empire begins 33:28 The billion dollar licensing machine 48:00 Turning 18 and taking control 53:41 NYU and the paparazzi years 57:47 How everything changed Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• How Kim Kardashian Broke the Met Gala 11.05.2026 35min

  SUBSCRIBE to the Back Row newsletter and go Premium to access all paywalled podcast episodes and newsletters: https://www.backrow.net/subscribe Kim Kardashian spent 10 years being the most reviled woman at the Met Gala. Then she became the blueprint. Cultural critic and psychoanalytic psychotherapist MJ Corey, author of Dekonstructing the Kardashians, joins Back Row to explain how Kim paved the way for the Tech Gala (04:42), why the hatred only makes her bigger (17:39), what the Paris robbery really did for her career (28:15), and why she's acting now (30:35). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• Why 'The Devil Wears Prada 2' Is More Accurate Than You Think, with Rachel Tashjian [TEASER] 07.05.2026 33min

  The full episode is for paid Back Row subscribers: backrow.net/subscribe A note to listeners: On May 15, prices will increase to $8/month and $72/year. Upgrade to annual to lock in the lower rate. Or sign up at backrow.net/subscribe to get newsletter access included with your subscription and don't miss a single juicy story. This episode contains spoilers. We've waited 20 years for The Devil Wears Prada 2 — and it's better than expected. Rachel Tashjian of CNN joins me to break down what the sequel gets shockingly right about Anna Wintour, Vogue, and journalism's decline. We also cover Emily Blunt stealing the movie, whether the filmmakers got too close to Anna, and the billionaire character hiding in plain sight. Chapters: 00:00 Spoiler warning & intro 05:56 How accurately does the film depict journalism? 17:34 Did the filmmakers get too close to Anna Wintour? 29:07 The billionaire characters: who is Benji really? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• Met Gala 2026 Recap: Beyoncé, the Bezos Backlash, Kim Kardashian, and Vogue's Silence 06.05.2026 58min

  This episode is sponsored by Margaux. First time shoppers get 10 percent off with the code BACKROW. A few of my favorite styles: Wrap sandals Phoebe flats Downtown boot The 2026 Met Gala was the most controversial in memory — and Back Row is telling you what the fashion press won't. Amy Odell and Heather Cocks of Go Fug Yourself and Drinks With Broads break down the biggest narratives from the night: the Bezos backlash, the protests outside, why Vogue's silence was deafening, and what it actually means that tech billionaires have taken over fashion's biggest night. Plus: Beyoncé's return after 10 years, Blue Ivy's debut, the Kardashians and their nipples, Lauren Sanchez's Madame X look, why Jeff Bezos snuck in the back door, John Galliano and fashion's cancellation problem, and whether any of this controversy will actually stick. CHAPTERS 00:00 Introduction 00:49 The Bezos Backlash and the protests 04:14 The Ball Without Billionaires 07:15 Vogue's silence on the controversy 10:31 Why tech billionaires are really at the Met 18:26 Lauren Sanchez's Madame X look 43:39 The Kardashians, Beyoncé, and the best and worst looks 49:15 Galliano, Anna Wintour, and fashion's cancellation problem 54:05 Will the controversy actually matter? Subscribe to the Back Row Newsletter and Back Row on YouTube. Follow Heather Cox at Drinks With Broads and Go Fug Yourself. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• 'The Devil Wears Prada 2' Filmmakers on How They Nailed the Fall of Fashion Magazines 04.05.2026 41min

  WARNING: This episode contains SPOILERS for 'The Devil Wears Prada 2.' This is my full interview with 'The Devil Wears Prada 2' director David Frankel and screenwriter Aline Brosh McKenna. After talking to them both when I was writing 'Anna: The Biography,' I couldn't wait to hear about how they put this movie together after TWENTY YEARS. Who and what were they skewering? Did the film get too close to its source material, Anna Wintour? How did Lady Gaga enter the picture? And... will there be a THIRD movie?! CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro 2:43 How the sequel finally got made 5:17 Miranda's backlash: the fast fashion puff piece explained 8:14 How Miranda Priestly changed in 20 years 9:36 The new assistants and the new workplace 12:20 Every cameo, explained 31:43 Emily Blunt and the evolution of Emily Charlton 39:52 Will there be a third film? LINKS & RESOURCES: ▸ Subscribe to the Back Row newsletter: https://www.backrow.net/subscribe ▸ Read my book, Anna: The Biography: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Anna/Amy-Odell/9781982122638 ▸ Find me on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/instamyodell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• There Is No More Cerulean 01.05.2026 32min

  I went on Sam Sanders's show on KCRW to talk all things Met Gala 2026! We get into the Bezos Met Gala sponsorship, fashion's new Gilded Age, and The Devil Wears Prada 2. We also talked about why tech money is taking over fashion, what happened to the aspirational consumer, and whether the Cerulean monologue could even exist in 2026. Sam is one of the best interviewers around — this was a really fun conversation. Thanks to the KCRW team for allowing us to share it here. Follow Sam's show here. CHAPTERS: 01:30 – Has the Met Gala Become the Tech Gala? 05:20 – Has Fashion Entered a New Gilded Age? 10:20 – The Widening Gap Between the Classes of Fashion 14:20 – What it’s Like to be a Fashion VIC 18:00 – What’s Changed in Fashion Since The (1st) Devil Wears Prada? 20:00 – Does the Cerulean Monologue Hold Up in 2026? 25:10 – Fixing the Met Gala 27:40 – Amy’s Sources of Fashion Inspo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• The Fraught History of Naming Celebrities 'World's Most Beautiful' 30.04.2026 45min

  People magazine's "World's Most Beautiful" editor Andrea Lavinthal joins Back Row to go behind the scenes of the most coveted — and complicated — cover in celebrity journalism. Anne Hathaway talked to People about The Devil Wears Prada 2, her husband, and her haters. But handing out this prize isn't as easy as it might seem. Andrea breaks down how the "World's Most Beautiful" franchise has evolved since Michelle Pfeiffer in 1990 (3:28), why "most beautiful" is more fraught for women than "Sexiest Man Alive" is for men (1:51), and how much creative control a star like Anne Hathaway has over the shoot (9:33). Plus: why Gwyneth Paltrow's "Most Beautiful" cover made an editor think it would get her fired (25:54). Links & Resources 📰 SUBSCRIBE to the Back Row Newsletter for exclusive scoops and bonus podcast episodes: https://www.backrow.net/ 📸 Amy on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/instamyodell/ Mentioned in this episode: ↳ People's Anne Hathaway cover story, photographed by Jonny Marlow ↳ JFK Jr.'s "Sexiest Man Alive" cover story This episode was edited by Chrissi Harris. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• Met Gala 2026: The Bezos Backlash, Devil Wears Prada 2, and What It All Means for Anna Wintour 20.04.2026 56min

  The 2026 Met Gala has three storylines running at once: Jeff and Lauren Bezos as lead sponsors, The Devil Wears Prada 2 opening the Friday before, and Anna Wintour doing more press than she has in years. Amy sits down with Chantal Fernandez of The Cut to break down all of it — plus predictions for the night. 0:00 Intro — Why This Met Gala Is Different 1:14 - Meet Chantal Fernandez 5:42 The Theme: "Costume Art" & What It Actually Means 8:01 - The Real Story Nobody's Covering: The New Costume Institute Galleries 10:17 - How Met Gala Exhibitions Became Museum Blockbusters 12:35 - How Themes Actually Get Chosen (and Who Funds Them) 14:02 - Anna's Role: Making Exhibitions Commercial 19:00 - Why the Met Gala Gets More Criticism Than the Oscars 21:14 - What Brands Actually Get Out of Spending $350K on a Table 24:26 - Can You Even Boycott the Met Gala? 28:06 - Lauren Sanchez, Schiaparelli & the New Ultra-Rich Aesthetic 30:16 - Breaking Down the NYT Lauren Sanchez Profile 32:56 - Graydon Carter's Perfect Quote 40:14 - Fashion Is Losing Power — and the Bezoses Are a Symptom 44:01 - Anna's Devil Wears Prada 2 Marketing Blitz: Smart or a Mistake? 49:19 - Predictions for Met Gala Night 52:49 - Will Devil Wears Prada 2 Be Any Good? 54:10 - Outro Partner message: Go here: https://beehiiv.link/8yrisv and use the code AMY30 to get 30 percent off a subscription to beehiiv. Links & Resources 📰 Back Row Newsletter: https://www.backrow.net/  📸 Amy on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/instamyodell/ Mentioned in this episode:  ↳ Chantal's VIC story ↳ Amy’s recent Met Gala reporting  ↳ NYT profile of Lauren Sanchez by Amy Chozick ↳ Chantal’s 2024 Met Gala story  ↳ Charlotte Cowles’s story asking Anna if she’s retiring Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• 12 Ultra-Rich People Opened Up About What Money Did to Them 13.04.2026 32min

  What does extreme wealth actually do to a person? Their psychology, their relationships, their behavior? New York Magazine features writer Lane Brown set out to answer that question by interviewing a dozen ultra-high net worth individuals, people worth $30 million or more. (Read his full story here.) Almost no one wanted to talk. The ones who did had never spoken about this before. Lane and Amy discuss what he found: why sudden wealth immediately isolates you, how self-made billionaires think versus inheritors, why the goalpost never stops moving no matter how much you have, and the eight-step psychological descent — mapped out by a therapist who treats the ultra-wealthy — that can turn an ordinary rich person into someone completely detached from reality. Part 2 is available to Back Row premium subscribers at backrow.net/subscribe, which includes full newsletter access. You can also subscribe through Apple Podcasts or Spotify. CHAPTERS 00:00 — Introduction 01:19 — Meet Lane Brown 02:12 — What Extreme Wealth Does to a Person 03:21 — The First Thing Money Does: Isolation 06:36 — Who Counts as Ultra-Wealthy? 07:28 — How Lane Got Mark Cuban to Talk 09:31 — Why the Rich Refused to Participate 11:22 — Self-Made vs. Inherited Wealth 13:18 — Is It All Just Luck? 14:16 — The Goalpost That Never Stops Moving 17:41 — The 8-Step Descent Into Corruption 20:23 — Do Billionaires Know People Hate Them? 23:24 — When Luxury Purchases Lose Their Thrill 27:03 — Are Billionaires Actually Cheap? 29:02 — The Tax Strategy Behind the Spending This episode was produced by Amy Odell and edited by Joyce Ciesil and Jonathan Voytko. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• Why Anna Wintour Did the 'Vogue' Cover 10.04.2026 7min

  This is the audio version of the Back Row newsletter published April 7, 2022. What on earth is Anna Wintour doing on the cover of Vogue?! A theory as to why she's leaning so hard into The Devil Wears Prada 2 promo — and what it all says about her legacy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• 'The Devil Wears Prada' Rewatch: Was 'Vogue' Really Like That? 06.04.2026 55min

  How much was Vogue really like The Devil Wears Prada? Amy Odell sits down with former Vanity Fair critic and the author of the Premiere Party newsletter, Richard Lawson, to rewatch The Devil Wears Prada before the sequel drops. Amy interviewed more than 250 people to write Anna: The Biography, including Anna Wintour's closest friends and collaborators. Richard worked at Condé Nast for a dozen years — and has stories. They review the movie's origin story, break down each scene, and talk about what was totally real and what was totally made up. In Part 2 for Premium subscribers, the discuss how the movie impacted Anna Wintour's public image and how she really felt about all of it. Part 2 is available to Premium subscribers. Sign up at Back Row for full newsletter access or through Apple Podcasts or Spotify. CHAPTERS: 01:30 — The Devil Wears Prada Origin Story 05:50 — How the Film Elevates the Book 09:10 — Richard’s Real-life Andy Sachs Experience 17:00 — The Movie’s Opening Montage 20:10 — Miranda’s Arrival: “A Million Girls Would Kill For This Job” 24:50 — Andy’s Boring Boyfriend 31:00 — What was it Really Like for Assistants in the Aughts? 34:20 — Would Andy Have Succeeded Without Miranda? 36:50 — The Story Behind the Cerulean Monologue 42:30 — The Harry Potter Book: Did Miranda Want Andy to Fail? 45:30 — The Met Gala Scene 53:50 — Why the Costumes Worked Links & Resources: Back Row newsletter: Premiere Party newsletter Get Anna: The Biography Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• Are We Living Through a New Gilded Age? 30.03.2026 32min

  Will Kris Jenner's birthday party be immortalized on an HBO show in a hundred years? Maybe. The Gilded Age was America’s first era of extreme wealth, inequality, and loud luxury, spanning 1870 to 1900. On this episode of the Back Row podcast, which explains how fashion and culture really work, Amy talks to Gilded Age historian and author Elizabeth Block about how shockingly closely society and fashion today mirror the wealthy and luxury industries during that time period. Elizabeth is the author of the upcoming book Gilded Age Fashion: More Than 50 Iconic Looks and the Stories Behind Them. Their conversation breaks down how Kris Jenner's birthday feels straight out of the late 1880s; how sky-high luxury fashion prices are basically the same as they were back then; the most extreme luxuries of the past and present; and Vogue's Gilded Age origins. Listen to Part 2 for Elizabeth’s take on what life was like for the have-nots during the period — and why she sees parallels between Taylor Swift’s wedding and the Gilded Age. Part 2 is available to Back Row Premium subscribers. Sign up at BackRow.net (which includes full newsletter access) or through Apple Podcasts or Spotify. CHAPTERS: 00:00 — Introducing Dr. Elizabeth Block 01:20 — Are We Living in a New Gilded Age? 03:20 — The Gilded Age Weddings 07:40 — Kris Jenner’s Birthday Party: Gilded Age-Coded? 11:00 — How Much Did Socialites Spend on Dresses? Then vs. Now 16:30 — Gossip Columns: What Were the Faux Pas? 20:30 — Etiquette Books and the Rules of Modesty 26:20 — Vogue’s Gilded Age Origins Links & Resources: Back Row Newsletter Amy Odell — Instagram Elizabeth Block — Instagram Newsletter: Gilded Age Fashion Books: Gilded Age Fashion: More Than 50 Iconic Looks and the Stories Behind Them Beyond Vanity: The History and Power of Hairdressing This episode was produced by Amy Odell and edited by Joyce Ciesil and Jonathan Voytko. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• Why Tech Billionaires Are Becoming Fashion’s New Kardashians 27.03.2026 38min

  Are tech billionaires the next Kardashians? From Mark Zuckerberg sitting front row at Prada to Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez’s Met Gala sponsorship, tech billionaires are increasingly present in the fashion world in 2026. Why is this happening? Amy invites tech journalist Taylor Lorenz back on the pod to discuss this controversial relationship between fashion and big tech. They dive into Bezos funding the Met Gala (4:30), why going to fashion shows could be a byproduct of tech backlash (07:00); Mark Zuckerberg at Prada (13:30), the future of space tourism (19:00); and whether smartglasses are fashion or surveillance (24:20).  Listen to Part 2 to hear their takes on Bryan Johnson’s ‘Don’t Die’ movement and Clavicular’s Looksmaxxing on the runway — and what these male beauty and wellness trends mean for the future of fashion. Part 2 is available to paid subscribers at backrow.net (which includes full newsletter access) or through Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• Inside JFK Jr. & Carolyn Bessette’s Life on Cape Cod 23.03.2026 39min

  What did Love Story get wrong about JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bessette? Amy Odell sits down with Kate Storey, author of White House by the Sea, to break down what really happened inside the Kennedy compound — and how the show fictionalizes their lives, relationship, and famous Cape Cod summers. And she answers the urgent question: was there really a breakfast board?! Kate spent years reporting on the Kennedy family and shares what the show gets right, what it gets completely wrong, and what their real lives were actually like behind the scenes. Sign up for a Premium subscription to Back Row to hear Part 2. Go to BackRow.net to get newsletter access included with your subscription. Or sign up in Apple Podcasts or Spotify. CHAPTERS 01:06 why everyone is watching “love story” 03:00 inside the real Kennedy compound 06:00 how the show fictionalizes Hyannis Port 08:20 how John and Carolyn really started dating 12:10 when the paparazzi began 13:00 JFK Jr.’s Cape Cod childhood 15:40 the treasure diving story 17:50 the infamous boat moment 19:20 the “breakfast board” truth 21:00 Carolyn vs the Kennedy family (real story) 23:30 what Carolyn was actually like 27:00 their dinner parties and private life 28:30 how they really got engaged 30:00 iconic photos vs reality 31:00 how accurate is the show overall? 34:00 their final plans for the house 36:00 why they didn’t prioritize security Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• Joh Galliano for... Zara?! 18.03.2026 7min

  This is the audio version of the Back Row newsletter published Tuesday, March 17. After waiting two years for John Galliano's next move, we finally know he's going to Zara. In this analysis, Amy talks about why fashion people have forgiven him for his antisemitic and racist tirades that became public in 2011 and led to him losing his job at Dior — and why this move is a risk for Zara. Amy finishes with the "Loose Threads" news roundup, featuring Adrien Grenier's Devil Wears Prada 2 laments and a funny update about Gwyenth's clothing auction. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• The Oscars’ Biggest Fashion Stories: Anna Wintour, the Timothée Backlash, & Is Chanel Good Again? 17.03.2026 48min

  Amy Odell is joined by Heather Cocks and Jessica Morgan of ⁠Go Fug Yourself⁠ and the ⁠Drinks With Broads⁠ newsletter to break down the biggest fashion stories from Oscars night—and what they reveal about Hollywood right now. They discuss Anna Wintour’s surprise appearance (and why she’s leaning into The Devil Wears Prada 2), the backlash against Timothée Chalamet and what it says about celebrity culture, and the ongoing dominance of luxury brands like Chanel and Dior on the red carpet. Plus: the state of red carpet coverage, why it feels increasingly sanitized, and the looks that worked—and didn’t. In part two, we get into the media’s Ozempic discourse, Chanel vs. Dior, and why the K-pop Demon Hunters cast didn’t get the attention they deserved. CHAPTERS 00:00 The Oscars as luxury marketing 05:00 Why everything in Hollywood is too long 09:30 The biggest fashion stories 10:30 The problem with red carpet coverage 19:00 The Timothée backlash 26:00 Kylie Jenner and celebrity optics 29:00 Anna Wintour at the Oscars 35:00 Chanel vs. Dior 40:00 The best (and safest) looks Don't forget to ⁠sign up for the Back Row newsletter.⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• Fashion Month Awards Part One: Chanel’s New Era & Tech Billionaires in the Front Row (with Dana Thomas) 12.03.2026 41min

  Paris Fashion Week wrapped up the Fall 2026 shows, so Amy Odell and New York Times bestselling author Dana Thomas are handing out the Fashion Month Awards. Together they break down the biggest moments from New York, Milan, and Paris Fashion Week, including: • Prada’s viral runway stunt • Marc Jacobs’ comeback in New York • The rise of fashion watch parties bringing fans into the shows • Why tech billionaires like Mark Zuckerberg are suddenly sitting front row • The best trends and the weirdest trends of the season • What Chanel’s new era could mean for fashion They also talk about how fashion shows—and fashion media—are changing as creators, newsletters, and independent platforms reshape the industry. Part two of the Fashion Month Awards is available to Back Row Premium subscribers. Sign up at BackRow.net to get newsletter access and more exclusive fashion reporting included with your subscription, or in Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Chapters: 00:00 — Introducing Dana Thomas and the Fashion Month awards 01:25 — Is fashion entering a new generational era? 04:10 — The shift from magazines to creators and newsletters 06:40 — Loudest viral stunt: Prada’s layered runway trick 10:15 — Fashion watch parties and opening shows to the public 15:35 — Why fashion shows might become spectator events 20:55 — Sleeper hit of the season 24:30 — Most awkward front row celebrity 28:00 — Tech billionaires invade fashion week 31:50 — Hardest-working front row celebrity 34:20 — Best trend of the season 36:40 — Weirdest trend: the return of tails Links and Resources: Amy Odell - Instagram Back Row newsletter Dana Thomas Instagram Deluxe (book) Gods & Kings (book) Fashionopolis (book) Style Files (newsletter) Credits: Produced by Amy Odell. Audio editing by Joyce Ciesel, video by Jonathan Voytko. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
• The Real Story: JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bessette 09.03.2026 41min

  Amy Odell sits down with Liz McNeil and RoseMarie Terenzio, authors of JFK Jr.: An Intimate Oral Biography, to discuss the real romance between Carolyn Bessette and JFK Jr. that inspired the FX show Love Story, executive-produced by Ryan Murphy. Terenzio assisted JFK Jr. in the 90s at George magazine, and McNeil covered him as an editor for People. For their book, they interviewed more than 150 people who knew him. They share personal encounters with the couple and people in their inner circle, talk about what John would have made of the frenzy over his style today, and explain what in 'Love Story' is pure fiction. PART TWO, including discussion of how the Kennedy family deals with relentless press and the REAL reason for that famous fight in the park, is available to Premium subscribers of ⁠Back Row. Sign up at backrow.net for full podcast and newsletter access, or through Apple Podcasts or Spotify. CHAPTERS 00:00 Why everyone is talking about JFK Jr. and Carolyn again 01:25 What the FX show “Love Story” gets right (and wrong) 06:10 Why Gen Z is suddenly obsessed with them 07:10 The truth about JFK Jr.’s style 12:10 What drew John and Carolyn together 21:00 What Carolyn Bessette was really like 29:30 Carolyn’s struggle with paparazzi 35:30 The iconic wedding dress 39:15 What the show said about the famous park fight Links & Resources: Partner message: Go to beehiiv and use the code AMY30 to get 30 percent off a subscription. Get RoseMarie and Liz's book: JFK Jr.: An Intimate Oral Biography Sign up for the Back Row newsletter Follow Amy Odell on Instagram Follow Liz McNeil on Instagram Follow Rosemarie Terenzio on Instagram This episode was produced by Amy Odell, with audio editing by Joyce Ciesil and video editing by Jonathan Voytko. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices