That Early Childhood Nerd

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  NERD 0421 Autistic Play and Autistic Joy with Kara Ketter 22.07.2026 45mnt

  Let's talk autistic play and autistic joy! Host Heather Bernt-Santy is joined in this episode by autistic educator, preschool teacher, and disability justice advocate Kara Ketter and the conversation starts with this quote:  “If I could change three things about how the world sees autism, they would be these. That the world would see that we feel joy—sometimes a joy so intense and private and all-encompassing that it eclipses anything the world might feel. That the world would stop punishing us for our joy, stop grabbing flapping hands and eliminating interests that are not “age-appropriate”, stop shaming and gas-lighting us into believing that we are never, and can never be, happy. And that our joy would be valued in and of itself, seen as a necessary and beautiful part of our disability, pursued, and shared.” Read the full blog post here: https://tinyurl.com/yfhpd6c3 Order Heather’s book, Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood, here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood_9780807783177 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!
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  NERD 0420 We Have Surrendered to the Children with Kimberlee Hendricks 15.07.2026 39mnt

  In her article for Exchange's winter 2025 issue on Protecting Play, Kimberlee Hendricks shares how her program's commitment to providing a space that belonged to children, that protected play required that they surrender some things, and that they remember what play feels like for adults. She talks with host Heather Bernt-Santy about surrendering to children  in this episode. You can read Kimberlee’s article here: https://hub.exchangepress.com/articles-on-demand/70263/ Order Heather’s book, Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood, here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood_9780807783177 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!
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  NERD 0419 Caroline Pratt: More Than Just Blocks (But We Love the Blocks!) 08.07.2026 58mnt

  Did you know that the familiar wooden unit blocks that so many early childhood spaces have were created in the early 20th century be a progressive educator named Caroline Pratt? I did know that--but I didn't know what an amazing, interesting, spirited woman she really was.  Join me, host Heather Bernt-Santy, as Charleen Kepner takes us on a journey to get to know the truly amazing ways that Caroline Pratt challenged the status quo and championed children's right to a meaningful education...including amazing quotes from Pratt that delighted me.  You can read Charleen’s thesis on Caroline Pratt here: https://pdxscholar.library.pdx.edu/honorstheses/1649/ Order Heather’s book, Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood, here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood_9780807783177 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!
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  NERD 0418 Potty Training and School: Whose Job Is It Anyway? 01.07.2026 50mnt

  A May 2026 article posted by Education Week wonders, "Who's Responsible for Toilet Training? Schools or Families?" While the article is a measured report of data and policies, the headline hit a nerve for host Heather Bernt-Santy. How can we say it's one or the other? What developmental considerations need to be included in the question? What systemic barriers are in place? And for goodness sake, why did they select a photo of a defiant looking preschooler for the post?  Lizz Nolasco joins Heather to unpack, to wonder, and to stand up for the child caught between school and family. Find the article here: https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/whos-responsible-for-toilet-training-schools-or-families/2026/05 Order Heather’s book, Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood, here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood_9780807783177 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!
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  NERD 0417 Carcerality and Child Care with Kisa Marx 24.06.2026 55mnt

  In our second episode with Kisa Marx about her new book, we had to dig into two quotes to get a full picture for our conversation.  "Care is a birthright--an inherent need that follows us throughout our lives. From the moment a child is born they are entitled to care, not just as a basic necessity but as something that nurtures their growth, autonomy, and capacity to imagine a future where they belong." "We hold dreams for children--visions of freedom, exploration, connection, and joy. Yet in practice, these dreams are often stifled by deficit-based narratives. These narratives don't merely fail to nurture children's potential, they actively strip away the empathy, belonging, and joy essential to their development." Kisa is here to talk us through it.  Order Kisa’s book here: https://tinyurl.com/5ckscscz To find out more about the Play Lab Foundation: https://theplaylabnfpoakpark.org/the-play-lab Order Heather’s book, Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood, here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood_9780807783177 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!
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  NERD 0416 Risky Play at School with Megan Zeni and Mariana Brussoni 17.06.2026 58mnt

  "We know that schools and classrooms can be tough spaces to work and learn. The good news is that OPAL almost always offers a pathway for improving learning conditions, no matter which difficulties districts, schools, or classroom teachers identify as priority issues. Improved mental health, student engagement, staff wellness, joy and wonder in the school day are all possible when OPAL and risky play are supported in schools." Whether you work with children before they go to formal school or in an elementary/primary setting, you'll want to listen as host Heather Bernt-Santy talks with Dr. Megan Zeni and Dr. Mariana Brussoni about their book Embracing Risky Play at School: Getting Kids Outdoors to Explore, Learn, and Grow.  You can order Embracing Risky Play at School here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/embracing-risky-play-at-school_9780807784006 You can find the study Dr. Zeni and Dr. Brussoni referenced in this episode here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0272494426001635 Find  Order Heather’s book, Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood, here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood_9780807783177 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!
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  NERD 0415 Can We Really Do Quality Child Care? 10.06.2026 54mnt

    Any Princess Bride fans out there listening? If so, I'll bet you've quoted "You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means" on more than one occasion. And host Heather Bernt-Santy thinks of that line whenever she hears the words "high quality child care." What do we think it means? What do research, culture, child care budgets, or isms of all sorts say about "quality?"  Listen in as Heather and guest Sam Balch unpack the Vox article "A Critical Fight Over Quality Child Care Could Shape Millions of Kids" by Rachel Cohen Booth.  Find the article here: https://www.vox.com/child-care/413120/child-care-daycare-quality-preschool-head-start-qris-standards-children Order Heather’s book, Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood, here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood_9780807783177 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!
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  NERD 0414 How Institutional Are You? 03.06.2026 50mnt

  In 1992, Jim Greenman wrote an article called "Places for Childhoods--How Institutional Are You?" that has been, without exaggeration, in host Heather Bernt-Santy's mind at least once a week since she discovered it early in her career. And what fun! Sam Balch was in town to join her for a conversation of how (sadly) relevant the question is today.  Find Jim's article here: https://hub.exchangepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/5008749.pdf Order Heather’s book, Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood, here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood_9780807783177 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!
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  NERD 0413 Emergent Curriculum with Sue Stacey 27.05.2026 49mnt

  Susan Stacey joins the show for a deep dive into emergent curriculum--what it really means, what is looks like in practice, and why it still matters in early childhood settings. Her book Emergent Curriculum in  Early Childhood Settings reminds us that "emergent curriculum requires the disposition of genuine curiosity about children and their play" and that "a teacher who is curious, who wonders why children are doing a particular thing in a particular way, will be genuinely interested in finding a meaningful response."  Order Emergent Curriculum in Early Childhood Settings here: https://tinyurl.com/y9h5us2f Find more of Sue’s work at https://suestacey.ca/ Order Heather’s book, Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood, here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood_9780807783177 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!
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  NERD 0412 Go Play! with Gennie Gorback and Kate Allen Fox 20.05.2026 57mnt

  Gennie Gorback and Kate Allen Fox want to help parents (and others!) understand how play can unlock many wonderful possibilities--and unexpected joys--for their families. Because, as they say, there's no such thing as "just play." Play isn't just anything; it is everything. Their book Go Play: How Parents Can Empower Kids to Build Their Own Worlds is really wonderful.  Buy the book here: https://www.broadleafbooks.com/store/product/9798889836216/Go-Play Download a free pdf discussion guide here: https://ms.broadleafbooks.com/downloads/Discussion_Guide_Go_Play.pdf Order Heather’s book, Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood, here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood_9780807783177 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!
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  NERD 0411 Why Can't Children Self Regulate? with Denita Dinger 13.05.2026 59mnt

  Have you heard about the canary in the coal mine? It was an old safety practice with coal miners to protect them from harmful toxins in the air of the mines--a caged canary would be taken into the mine and miners would know if the canary was harmed by the air, it was not safe.  In this conversation, Denita Dinger and host Heather Bernt-Santy use this as a metaphor for what we can learn about the messages children's behavior may be trying to convey about their experiences in our spaces.  Find more Denita here: https://listen-to-the-children-academy.teachable.com/ More Denita here: https://www.facebook.com/p/Listen-to-the-Children-100064041760545/ Order Heather’s book, Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood, here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood_9780807783177 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!
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  NERD 0410 Young Children's Amazing Math with Herb Ginsburg 06.05.2026 50mnt

  In this episode, host Heather Bernt-Santy is joined by Herb Ginsburg, a leading expert in children's understanding of mathematics and author of the book Young Children's Amazing Math: A Guide to Understanding and Supporting Early Learning.  Dr. Ginsburg's book shows readers how math is embedded in children’s everyday lives, how daily routines contribute to the development of important math concepts, and what adults can do to foster the joy of early math learning. Ginsburg describes the development of children’s informal ideas about number, shape, space, pattern, and measurement, and offers many specific activities designed to promote learning.  Order Dr. Ginsburg's book here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/young-childrens-amazing-math_9780807786512 Order Heather’s book, Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood, here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood_9780807783177 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!
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  NERD 0409 Talk to Them Early and Often with Cara Tyrrell 29.04.2026 42mnt

  In Talk to Them Early and Often: A Caregiver's Guide to Intentional Language Development for Infants and Toddlers, Cara Tyrrell explains why early communication with infants and toddlers is so important and how to effectively talk to these young learners in a wide variety of circumstances.  And you know host Heather Bernt-Santy loves to talk infants and toddlers! Order Cara's book here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/talk-to-them-early-and-often_9780807783702 Order Heather’s book, Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood, here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood_9780807783177 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!
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  NERD 0408 We Are Who We're Waiting For with Kisa Marx 22.04.2026 43mnt

  Kisa Marx has written an amazing and important book and we are so grateful she is here to have the first of what we hope are many conversations about it.  In We Are Who We're Waiting For: Transformative Change in Early Childhood Education, Kisa lays out necessary truths about humanity, children's rights, and intersectionality with love and vision. Get out your pens, notebooks, and yes, your highlighters for this one.  Order Kisa’s new book here: https://www.redleafpress.org/We-Are-Who-Were-Waiting-For-Transformative-Change-in-Early-Childhood-Education-P3172.aspx\ Order Heather’s book, Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood, here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood_9780807783177 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!
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  NERD 0407 Screen Aware Early Childhood 15.04.2026 51mnt

  In Screen Aware Early Childhood: A Realistic Approach to Helping Young Children Thrive in a Digitally Complex World,  Patricia Cantor, Melinda Holohan, and Jean Rogers offer their Screen Aware for Early Childhood Framework (SAFEC) as an essential guide for “navigating the screenscape and making decisions about screen use.” They join host Heather Bernt-Santy in this episode to discuss why this is such an important resource, and to share the four guiding principles of SAFEC: development centered, research informed, protection oriented, and relationship based. Their message is centered on protective factors rather than risk factors and is a refreshingly hopeful contribution to an important conversation in our work with children and families. Order the book here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/screen-aware-early-childhood_9780807787281 Find the Screen Aware Early Childhood Action Toolkit here: https://screentimenetwork.org/ECKit Order Heather’s book, Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood, here: https://www.tcpress.com/products/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood_9780807783177 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!
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  NERD 0406 American Kindergarten with Susan Engel 08.04.2026 45mnt

  Susan Engel is Class of 1959 Director of the Program in Teaching and a senior lecturer in psychology at Williams College, and the author of several books...all of which host Heather Bernt-Santy has read and LOVED! Her latest book, American Kindergarten: Dispatches from the First Year of School, is no exception.  In this episode, Susan joins Heather to talk about the book--"an unexpected portrait of the first year of school for America's youngest learners," written after spending time in kindergarten classrooms across the United States. You'll love hearing her talk about the promises kindergarten can make to children. Order the book here: https://a.co/d/0jjfd5pO You can order Heather's book here: https://a.co/d/03frXV0a Thank you for listening! Please consider leaving a review to help more people find the show!
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  NERD_0405 Nerd Study Hall: The Hope and Promise of Teaching 25.03.2026 57mnt

  It's time for another Nerd Study Hall! In this episode, host Heather Bernt-Santy is joined by Richard Cohen, Aaron Neimark, and Mike Huber to discuss an article written by retired professor and former community organizer William Ayers, titled "The Hope and Promise of Teaching." It's a beautiful, challenging, inspiring, and validating article and the conversation reflects all of these elements.  Buy Heather's book Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood here: https://www.tcpress.com/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood-9780807787243 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!
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  NERD_0404 Men, Risky Play, and Gentle Care with Mike Browne 18.03.2026 35mnt

  "When we think of being “gentle” we might think of it as being slow-moving, of having a soft voice, of being non-threatening. But how I view gentleness in the context of risky play looks like being emotionally and energetically attuned. Whether we are hanging upside down on a tree, or playing monsters in the yard, being consistent, being present, being attuned are all ways we can be gentle with one another even through the chaos of it all." Mike Browne, in his article for the winter issue of Exchange, focused on protecting play, wrote about his experience as a Black man working with young children and takes the reader through his deeply thoughtful process of reflecting on his experiences.  Find the article here: https://hub.exchangepress.com/articles-on-demand/70878/ Buy Heather's book Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood here: https://www.tcpress.com/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood-9780807787243 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!
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  NERD_0403 Young Children, Care, and Imagination 11.03.2026 36mnt

  In her article for Exchange Press's special issue on protecting play, Carol Garboden Murray writes, "Those of us who care for young children practice a caring imagination daily as we see the possibilities for the vulnerable competent child, and teach in a way that supports their unique unfolding and original direction. As we care, we teach children to care. Through care, we plant the seeds for a moral imagination to grow; an empathetic intelligence, attuned to the needs of others, one that transforms children into agents of care. Care and imagination are intertwined, and these are not soft skills. Care and imagination are the seeds of our humanity, and they grow to become the source of our connection, joy, trust, and survival in a broken world. A caring imagination supports our commitment to one another, our commitment to care." Carol is one of TECN's favorite guests, and you won't want to miss this opportunity to hear her connect imagination and care, both in the context of children's imaginative play and the ways adults use their imaginations in caring for children. Find Carol's article here: https://hub.exchangepress.com/articles-on-demand/70819/ Buy Heather's book Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood here: https://www.tcpress.com/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood-9780807787243 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!
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  NERD_0402 Free the Research! 04.03.2026 43mnt

  Emily Clark is back on the show to talk about her new project, Liberating Childhood, and her commitment to connecting practitioners to important research to inform their work.  On her website, Em writes: "This tool was born from years of living in the space between research and practice. As an early childhood educator, leader, and researcher, I spent years reading powerful studies—research that named exactly what I was seeing in classrooms. But outside the university, that research became harder to find and access. I created this tool because that gap is not accidental—and it's not neutral. Early childhood education is political work, and educators need access to research to support liberation. Research stuck behind institutional walls cannot liberate childhood. This tool is one small way of opening those walls." Find Em's work here: https://liberatingchildhood.org/ Buy Heather's book Using Schema Play Theory to Advocate for Free Play in Early Childhood here: https://www.tcpress.com/using-schema-play-theory-to-advocate-for-free-play-in-early-childhood-9780807787243 Join our new Patreon community! For just $5 a month you can support all the Early Childhood Nerdwork podcasts AND join our Discord server to chat with the hosts and others who are working for children, their families, and their teachers: https://www.patreon.com/cw/EarlyChildhoodNerdworkbyThatEarlyChildhoodNerd Thanks for listening!