With The Perrys

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  Best of WTP – How to Fight For Your Marriage 27.07.2026 1j 28mnt

  With The Perrys is taking some time this summer to revisit popular episodes from years past.  Jackie and Preston sit down with mentors and friends CD and Melody Fabien to talk about what it really looks like to fight for intimacy in marriage. They unpack some of the habits and rhythms that quietly create distance, the importance of healthy communication, and why it's so easy to start building a case against your spouse instead of pursuing connection. Whether you're newly married or decades in, this conversation offers practical wisdom for navigating conflict, staying connected, and growing in oneness together. Connect with Melody and CD Fabien: https://cdandmelody.com/  https://www.instagram.com/melodyfabien  https://www.instagram.com/cdfabien/  https://www.youtube.com/@hangingwiththefabiens  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  Best of WTP – Depression, Suffering, and the Faithfulness of God's Presence 20.07.2026 1j 2mnt

  TRIGGER WARNING: This episode discusses suicidal ideation. With The Perrys is taking some time this summer to revisit popular episodes from years past. Brenna Blain is a wife, mom, and theologian who talks honestly about faith, suffering, and mental health. Brenna shares her story of running from God, eventually finding herself in YWAM, and later navigating a bipolar diagnosis, psych ward stays, and some of the darkest days of her life. Brenna, Jackie, and Preston talk about depression, suffering, and what it looks like to love people well when there aren't easy answers. Connect with Brenna: https://www.instagram.com/bunonmyhead/ https://brenna-blain.vercel.app/ Order Brenna’s book, Can I Say That?: How Unsafe Questions Lead Us to the Real God – https://www.amazon.com/Can-Say-That-Unsafe-Questions/dp/1400339944 Listen to Brenna’s podcast, Can I Say That? https://pod.link/1469288735 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://gominno.com/ — Sign up online with code PERRY to get your first month FREE! The best businesses aren’t built in boardrooms. They’re built by people who just started. Free trial at http://shopify.com/perry - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  Let’s Talk About Deconstruction 13.07.2026 1j 10mnt

  Nobody “deconstructs” from Christianity in a day. Deconstruction is not an immediate decision but a process in which someone questions, dissects and assesses what they believe. But what some people are calling deconstruction is actually heresy and false teaching. There’s a thoughtful and Biblical way to evaluate your faith, so let’s talk about it. Pastor Jerome Gay, Jr. joins the Perrys to discuss the seven reasons people deconstruct, the importance of critical thinking and apologetics, and the compassion required for walking with someone who is deconstructing. Connect with Pastor Jerome Gay, Jr. https://www.instagram.com/jeromegay https://jeromegayjr.com/ Check out Pastor Jerome’s book, “Church Hurt: Holding the Church Accountable and Helping Hurt People Heal” – https://www.amazon.com/Church-Hurt-Holding-Accountable-Helping/dp/1952602548 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://meetfabric.com/perry — Help protect your family today with Fabric by Gerber Life. You could be offered coverage instantly with NO health exam required! https://weekendtoremember.com — Register now with code PERRY to save $100 on any getaway! Https://fieldofgreens.com — Get 20% off with promo code PERRY Scripture References: Romans 3:15 Romans 1:22 1 John 4:7-8 John 14:15 1 Corinthians 6:18 Matthew 16:24 Ephesians 6 Exodus 21:16 Genesis 3 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  When the Leaders We Love Fail Us 29.06.2026 1j 5mnt

  From public scandals to private betrayals that never make the news, experiencing the failure of a leader is both heartbreaking and disorienting. When someone leads a church community or is esteemed as a hero, the fallout of their failure is felt even more.  Lisa Fields joins Jackie and Preston for an honest conversation about leadership betrayal. They discuss what healthy admiration looks like, how to navigate the grief of failed leadership without becoming cynical, and why restoration doesn't always mean a return to the platform. Scripture References: John 21 1 John 3 Galatians 6:1 This Episode is Sponsored By: After Amen by Tyler Staton - Available at: Amazon - https://nelsonbooks.co/after-amen-amazon Christian Book - https://nelsonbooks.co/after-amen-cb, and B&N - https://nelsonbooks.co/BN-Amen https://gominno.com/ — Sign up online with code PERRY to get your first month FREE! Check out “When Heroes Fall: Healing from the Aftermath of Sin” – https://www.amazon.com/When-Heroes-Fall-Healing-Aftermath/dp/0593603109  Follow Lisa on Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/lisavfields/  https://lisavfields.com/  Lisa’s last conversation on With The Perrys, “How to Wrestle With God” – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwTKOItm3Wo - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  How to be a Christian When Persecuted 22.06.2026 1j 3mnt

  Earlier this month, Jackie found herself at the center of a Threads post that generated a whole lot of conversation. It got her and Preston thinking about the opposition we face as Christians because of a worldview that is confusing to unbelievers. NOTE: For most of us, the persecution we face is social in nature – that’s different from persecution others face around the world when they risk their lives professing Christ. As Christians, we’re not supposed to defend ourselves. We’re supposed to preach the gospel and leverage opposition as an opportunity to point others to Jesus. Jackie and Preston discuss a helpful framework for approaching unbelievers, why it’s important to lead with compassion, and the reason why both prayer and patience are required for those conversations. Scripture References: 2 Corinthians 4:4-6 1 Peter 3:15-16 Nehemiah 4:17–18 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://shopify.com/perry — Sign up for your $1 per-month trial today! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  The Lie Shame Tells Us 15.06.2026 54mnt

  A stronghold is an untruth that has lodged itself in our brains and keeps out the knowledge of God. Shame can be a stronghold if we are believing something that is literally not the truth – about God, ourselves, or others. So really, shame and the gospel can’t co-exist peacefully. You could even say that shame is anti-gospel.  Jackie and Preston discuss how the gospel – the good news that we are forgiven – exposes lies and replaces them with the truth we find in God’s word. We’ve got to meditate on the gospel, read the Bible more than we think about ourselves, and be aware of the way we are helping to remove (or unconsciously adding to) shame in other people’s lives.  Scripture References: Genesis 3:7 Hebrews 12:2 "The Soul of Shame: Retelling the Stories We Believe About Ourselves" by Curt Thompson: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0830844333/ Video from Dan Allender, "The Fall" – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNLFNIfHqLE This Episode is Sponsored By: Total Money Makeover by Dave Ramsey. Available at Amazon - https://nelsonbooks.co/Amazon, Christian Book - https://nelsonbooks.co/ChristianBook, and B&N - https://nelsonbooks.co/BN https://fieldofgreens.com — Get 20% off with promo code PERRY https://meetfabric.com/perry — Help protect your family today with Fabric by Gerber Life. You could be offered coverage instantly with NO health exam required! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  When You Don't Desire God 08.06.2026 1j 1mnt

  We all go through seasons where we have little desire for God. We don’t really want to pray, and reading our Bible doesn’t sound exciting.Being honest about not wanting God isn’t unbelief, but it may uncover areas of our life where we’re believing a lie or not dealing with sin. There are so many things in life that compete for our affections, but God will meet us in our insufficiency and invites us to go deeper in our faith. Preston mentions John’s Piper’s book, “Desiring God” - https://www.amazon.com/Desiring-God-Meditations-Christian-Hedonist/dp/1433595974 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://gominno.com/ — Sign up online with code PERRY to get your first month FREE! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  Let’s Talk About Covetousness 01.06.2026 1j 3mnt

  When you hyper-focus on what you think you lack, you aren’t practicing gratitude, and you can become discontent. When you covet what someone else has, you will start to believe that God is withholding something good from you. That means our discontentment is not about our life circumstances but about the state of our hearts.  Melissa Kruger joins the Perrys to talk about a book Jackie stumbled upon when looking for resources on the topic of covetousness – one that Melissa wrote back in 2012 called “The Envy of Eve: Finding Contentment in a Covetous World.” Whatever you’re wanting, it will not ultimately be soul-satisfying. We spend our time chasing the contentment we want when it’s available to us simply by abiding with Jesus.  Connect with Melissa: https://www.instagram.com/melissabryankruger  https://melissabkruger.com/ Check out Melissa's book, "The Envy of Eve: Finding Contentment in a Covetous World" – https://www.amazon.com/Envy-Eve-Finding-Contentment-Covetous/dp/1845507754 Jackie and Melissa's Ephesians study with Jasmine Holmes: https://www.lifeway.com/en/product/ephesians-bible-study-book-with-video-access-P005843174? Scripture References Genesis 3 Philippians 4:11-13 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://weekendtoremember.com — Register now with code PERRY to save $100 on any getaway! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  Legalism, Sexual Immorality, and Heaven: Listener Q&A 25.05.2026 1j 22mnt

  Y’all love a Q&A episode, so the Perrys asked Instagram followers to submit questions to help guide the topics of conversation. Jackie kicks things off with a “storytime” moment about an unforgettable (and not in a great way) evangelism experience, and then they dive into the questions. How do you deal with insecurity as a man? Should you only date someone who is spiritually at the same pace as you? When we get to Heaven, will we recognize our loved ones? How can you be delivered from sexual immorality? Why doesn’t Jackie talk more about her prophetic dreams? Scripture References 1 Corinthians 6:12-14 James 1:12-15 1 Corinthians 14:23-25 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://meetfabric.com/perry — Help protect your family today with Fabric by Gerber Life. You could be offered coverage instantly with NO health exam required! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  Discipling Our Kids with the Krugers 18.05.2026 56mnt

  The Perrys are joined by Melissa and Mike Kruger to discuss their new book “The Good News Family Devotional: 52 Weeks Through the Gospel of Mark.” Mark is fast-paced and story-centric, which makes it an ideal book to study alongside your kids. The Kruegers and Perrys discuss navigating discipleship with kids in different stages, helping children move beyond surface-level observation questions, and seeing family devotionals as just one part of a broader culture of discipleship in the home. Melissa and Mike encourage parents – especially those without a model from their own upbringing – to pursue family discipleship imperfectly but diligently. Check out “The Good News Family Devotional” – https://goodnewsfamilydevotional.com/; https://us.amazon.com/Good-News-Family-Devotional-Through-ebook/dp/B0GX2YCWT4  Connect with the Kruegers: https://melissabkruger.com/  https://www.instagram.com/melissabryankruger/  https://goodnewsfamilydevotional.com/ Scripture References Deuteronomy 6:4-9 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://magicspoon.com/PERRY — Get $5 off your next order! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  Christians, It’s Time to Grow Up 11.05.2026 1j 18mnt

  When we’re “born again” as Christ followers, we’re babies, and “growing up” is a choice. But emotions, pride, and an endless buffet of online voices can keep new believers spiritually stuck. In this episode, Jackie and Preston discuss how spiritual maturity isn’t automatic, nor is it a checklist. We become mature by pursuing humility, having discernment about false doctrine, and establishing deep roots in a local church community. Ultimately, we have to know our Bible more than anything and come to terms with our complete dependence on God.  Tim Keller’s sermon, “Principles of Christian Growth” Part 1 – https://podcast.gospelinlife.com/e/principles-of-christian-growth-part-1/  Part 2 – https://podcast.gospelinlife.com/e/principles-of-christian-growth/  Scripture References Ephesians 4:11-15 1 Corinthians 3:1-4 Psalm 139:23-24 John 15:1-2 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://weekendtoremember.com — Register now with code PERRY to save $100 on any getaway! https://gominno.com/ — Sign up online with code PERRY to get your first month FREE! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  Mourning, Meekness, and Mercy: Part 2 with Matt Chandler 04.05.2026 1j 2mnt

  The second half of the Perrys’ conversation with Matt Chandler is a deeper discussion of the Beatitudes of Matthew 5. For example, the Bible says, “Blessed are those who mourn,” but what are we to mourn, and how do we mourn well? Matt explains that we mourn our own sin, and we grieve the broken world around us. Comfort is found in the hard work of mourning, and the consequence of not mourning is distance from Jesus. Beyond mourning, Matt and the Perrys also explore meekness, a thirst for righteousness, mercy, peacemaking, and persecution. Scripture References Matthew 5:3-10 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://shopify.com/perry — Sign up for your $1 per-month trial today! https://meetfabric.com/perry — Help protect your family today with Fabric by Gerber Life. You could be offered coverage instantly with NO health exam required! https://fieldofgreens.com — Get 20% off with promo code PERRY - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  Becoming like Jesus with Matt Chandler: Part 1 27.04.2026 46mnt

  After more than two decades leading a church – and through his own faith journey, too – Pastor Matt Chandler says confidently that, “Come what may, God is at work.”  In this conversation on sanctification, Matt, Jackie and Preston explore the Beatitudes of Matthew 5, not as a checklist of spiritual goals but a portrait of a person Jesus is creating as we mature in Christ. The Christian life isn’t about wins and losses; it’s about staying tethered to Jesus through the highs and lows. Keep saying yes to Him, and He’ll use it all to form you. This is part 1 of a 2-part conversation. Check out Matt Chandler’s new book, “Becoming Like Jesus: The Everyday Journey to Living a Life of Holiness” (releasing this week, April 28): https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Like-Jesus-Everyday-Holiness/dp/1400344301  Tim Keller sermon Jackie mentions: http://podcast.gospelinlife.com/e/principles-of-christian-growth-part-1/ Scripture References Matthew 5:3-12 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  For Your Glory: Why and How We Worship with Trip Lee 20.04.2026 1j 6mnt

  Trip Lee is an author, teacher, and hip-hop artist who recently released new worship music titled “For Your Glory.” He joins Jackie and Preston for a conversation about worship music, rap music, and the importance of music in our lives as followers of Jesus.  Music plays a major role in spiritual formation – singing truth helps us remember and believe what is true about God. Worship is not just the fluff before a sermon; it’s a response to who God is. Ultimately, worship is about making much of Jesus, and it’s something we’re called to participate in together. Connect with Trip Lee: https://www.instagram.com/triplee/  https://builttobrag.com/  Listen to For Your Glory, the new worship project from BRAG WORSHIP & Trip Lee: https://link.reachrecords.com/fyg1  Scripture References Ephesians 5:19 Psalm 77:1-3, 13-14, 16 Psalm 103:1 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://magicspoon.com/PERRY — Get $5 off your next order! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  Sex, Sexual Trauma, and God’s Design with Dr. Juli Slattery 13.04.2026 1j 22mnt

  Sex is a living metaphor. It’s how we experience oneness with the person we’ve committed to be in a covenant relationship with, similar to the relationship between Christ and the church. Dr. Juli Slattery joins the Perrys to discuss the importance of seeing sex as an ongoing journey of intimacy, not just a physical act, requiring emotional vulnerability and communication.  The Perrys’ conversation with Dr. Slattery covers sexual trauma, pornography, entitlement, libido, and purity culture. Everything God created, He designed to be a reflection of himself, and that includes sex. Single, dating, married, widowed, divorced – this episode about sexuality is a helpful and necessary conversation for everyone to learn from. Connect with Dr. Juli Slattery: https://www.authenticintimacy.com/  https://www.instagram.com/authenticintimacy https://www.authenticintimacy.com/podcast/  https://www.authenticintimacy.com/books/  Scripture References Psalm 37 - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  On Leadership, Assignment, and Brokenness with Dr. Crawford Loritts 06.04.2026 1j 13mnt

  Dr. Crawford Loritts joins the Perrys for a conversation about leadership and the qualities that make someone worth following. True leadership is stewardship and sacrifice. Someone’s ability to lead is in direct proportion to their ability to serve. A good leader has conviction, not just knowledge, with wisdom that's the product of experience, not simply exposure to information. And Dr. Loritts talks about anointing being on the person, not their platform or performance, and how gifts are most developed when you focus on character and godliness. Check out Dr. Loritts’ book, Leadership as an Identity: The Four Traits of Those Who Wield Lasting Influence: https://www.amazon.com/Leadership-Identity-Traits-Lasting-Influence/dp/080242987 Jackie’s Blameless hat: https://boldapparel.shop/products/blameless-hat - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  Infidelity, Broken Legs, and Healthy Marriage: Part Two with the Navarros 30.03.2026 1j 4mnt

  TRIGGER WARNING: Suicide is briefly discussed in this episode. Here’s part two of Jackie and Preston’s conversation with Lymari and Tony Navarro. Last week you heard about Tony’s betrayal, and in this episode they discuss the restoration of their marriage.  Things are incredibly fragile after a spouse’s affair, and the Navarros are honest about that. Lymari says couples need a season of “incubation” if they want to restore their relationship – a time of intentionally surrounding yourself with wise counsel and cutting out people persuading you to leave the marriage (again, if both husband and wife are committed to reconciliation). Tony’s affair was 25 years ago, and five years went by before the Navarros were in a place to support other couples with stories like theirs. Be encouraged – restoration takes time.  Connect with the Navarros: ⁠https://www.lymarinavarro.com/⁠ ⁠https://www.tonyandlymarinavarro.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠https://www.instagram.com/tonyandlymarinavarro⁠ Check out their book, "From Ruin to Renewal" – ⁠https://shop.familylife.com/product/from-ruin-to-renewal/⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  Rebuilding a Broken Marriage with Lymari and Tony Navarro 23.03.2026 1j 12mnt

  “Our story is a warning to some and a hope to others.” Three years into their marriage, Lymari Navarro got an anonymous phone call from a woman who said, “Your husband is having an affair.” When confronted, Tony told Lymari he had fallen out of love with her, but she chose grace over the Biblical “right” she had to a divorce. The enemy attacks marriages because it is the most accurate relationship to that of Jesus and the church. Marriage shows off the gospel in a way that nothing else can, and the transformational impact of that undeserved grace is on display in the story you’ll begin to hear in this week’s episode. Come back next week for part two of the Perrys’ conversation with Lymari and Tony. The Navarros have benefitted from and speak at FamilyLife’s Weekend to Remember events. Find a location near you: ⁠https://www.familylife.com/weekend-to-remember/ Scripture references: Romans 1 Titus 2:11-12 Connect with the Navarros: https://www.lymarinavarro.com/ https://www.tonyandlymarinavarro.com/⁠⁠⁠ https://www.instagram.com/tonyandlymarinavarro Check out their book, "From Ruin to Renewal" – https://shop.familylife.com/product/from-ruin-to-renewal/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  Everybody Got a Lil Peter in Them 16.03.2026 1j 14mnt

  Peter may be one of the most relatable disciples. He’s bold, passionate, sometimes impulsive, and a natural leader, which we read about in Scripture. His story shows how our greatest strengths can become massive stumbling blocks. From boldly declaring Jesus as the Messiah to denying Him three times, Peter’s life reminds us how quickly we can fall, yet his restoration shows us the heart of God. After your failure, do you run to Jesus? Like we see in Peter’s story, Jesus is patient with us and committed to making us more like Him. Scripture references: Matthew 16:13-222 Luke 22:33 Mark 14:26  Psalm 139:1-4 John 21:1-4, 7 Revelation 2:4-5 John 21:15-17 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  The Devil is a Liar: A Conversation on Making War Against Lies with Jennie Allen 09.03.2026 1j 17mnt

  There are three core lies we all believe: “I’m worthless, I’m unlovable, and I’m helpless.” These beliefs can grow into strongholds that influence our thoughts and actions over time. Jennie Allen joins the Perrys to talk about how the enemy often makes lies like these feel rational and normal, and then we agree with the lies without realizing it. We need God’s Word and the truth of the Gospel to help us fight them. Jennie’s encouragement is that you are not especially broken because you believe lies. She says, “The reason the enemy comes for you is because you’re loved. Because you love God and He loves you, that makes you a target. Don’t let shame enter your story more than it already has.” Check out Jennie’s new book, “The Lie You Don't Know You Believe”  https://www.amazon.com/Lie-You-Dont-Know-Believe/dp/1400249821 Follow @JennieAllen: https://www.instagram.com/jennieallen/ Scripture references: 1 John 1:5-7 Matthew 4:4-6 John 14:30 John 16:33 Ephesians 6:10-13 - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices