It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

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• Brazil at the World Cup with Tim Vickery: Pelé, Maracanazo and Ancelotti's New Era 02.06.2026 55分

  Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this week's episode, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by Tim Vickery to discuss the extraordinary story of Brazil at the World Cup.From the ultra-nationalism and hysteria of 1938, to the trauma of the Maracanazo in 1950, and the glorious Pelé years that forged a nation's identity between 1958 and 1970. Vickery traces every Brazilian World Cup campaign.Drawing on his new book Mundiales, Vickery offers a uniquely South American perspective on how the beautiful game's most celebrated nation has wrestled with myth, race, politics, and tactical evolution across nearly a century of football.With the 2026 World Cup on the horizon and Carlo Ancelotti now at the helm, can Brazil rediscover their identity, or has the ghost of 1970 become an impossible standard?00:00 Introduction — Tim Vickery Joins from Rio06:30 The Myth of Samba Football 13:00 1938, Radio, and Tropical Nationalism19:30 1950, The Maracanazo and a Nation's Trauma27:00 1954, The Battle of Bern and Revenge Football31:30 1958, Meticulous Planning, Pelé, and Redemption37:20 The Post-1970 Identity Crisis41:00 1982, Failure and a Lost Midfield Art47:00 The Domestic Decline of Brazilian Coaching49:30 Qatar 2022, Were Brazil Really That Far Off?52:00 Carlo Ancelotti and the 2026 World Cup Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• The Greatest Champions League Finals of All Time 26.05.2026 1時間 2分

  Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this week's episode, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper pick their six greatest European Cup and Champions League finals of all time.From the 127,000 who stayed to applaud Real Madrid's 7-3 demolition of Eintracht Frankfurt in 1960, to Ajax passing Juventus into submission in 1973 and Pep Guardiola's Barcelona spearheaded by Xavi flying to the title at Wembley in 2011. Wilson and Draper trace the tactical revolutions, romantic triumphs, and spectacular collapses that defined European football's greatest competition. With Arsenal facing PSG in this week's Champions League final, will Mikel Arteta join the elite list of managers who have won Europes’s elite competition or will Luis Enrique go back to back with PSG?00:00 Introduction — Champions League Final Week06:30 Real Madrid 7-3 Eintracht Frankfurt (1960)19:20 Ajax 1-0 Juventus (1973)34:50 AC Milan 4-0 Barcelona (1994) 42:15 Celtic 2-1 Inter Milan (1967) 53:40 Barcelona 3-1 Manchester United (2011) 58:10 Benfica 5-3 Real Madrid (1962) 01:03:20 Why Not 1999 or 2005? — And Can PSG Become an All-Time Great? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• Patreon Bonus Sneak Peek | Inside England: Southgate’s Culture Reset, EPPP and the Tuchel Gamble 22.05.2026 16分

  Listen to the Full Episode on the IWWIW Patreon here...In this Patreon special of It Was What It Was, Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper speak with Jonathan Northcroft about the updated paperback edition of their Gareth Southgate book, retitled Inside England, which adds four new chapters. They discuss Southgate’s cultural reset, including the Royal Marines camp at Lympstone, and trace the deeper roots of England’s revival through reforms such as EPPP and England DNA, alongside figures like Dan Ashworth, Dave Redding, Trevor Brooking and Greg Dyke’s 2022 World Cup target. They cover how improved youth development, psychology and data-led penalty preparation helped transform England into a resilient tournament team, before assessing Euro 2024’s tactical problems and the FA’s decision to appoint Thomas Tuchel for “wow factor” and elite coaching. They end by weighing concerns about recent friendlies, squad management and camp culture heading into the World Cup. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• Breaking the Old Firm: Fergie's Aberdeen Revolution 19.05.2026 58分

  Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this week's episode, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by Michael Grant, Scottish football correspondent for The Times and author of Fergie Rises, to tell the story of how a young Alex Ferguson shattered the Old Firm duopoly and transformed Aberdeen into serial winners.This Episode was recorded before the dramatic showdown on the final day of the SPL season between Celtic and Hearts, but was this just the start of the Hearts story? Will they continue threatening to break the Rangers-Celtic stranglehold for years to come? Wilson, Draper and Grant trace the remarkable parallels with Ferguson's Aberdeen revolution. They explore how a brash 36-year-old manager, fresh from a humiliating tribunal after being sacked by St Mirren, walked into a club that had nearly been relegated two years earlier and forged a dynasty. Along the way, they examine the clashes on the pitch, the psychological scars of Fergie's playing days, the infamous post-cup final rant that still hurts his players 40 years on. Michael Grant reveals the man behind the myth... volatile, funny, manipulative, and utterly relentless.00:00 Introduction — Hearts, the Old Firm, and Why Fergie Matters Now06:30 Aberdeen Before Ferguson — Nearly Relegated12:45 The St Mirren Sacking and the Tribunal19:20 The Westhill Willy Biters27:10 Willie Miller and the Power Struggle34:50 Breaking the Old Firm's Psychological Hold42:15 Winning the League — 5-0 at Easter Road48:00 Knocking on Fergie's Door at 3am53:40 The Liverpool Humiliation58:10 Fergie's Fury — The Morning After Anfield01:03:20 Youth Development and Building a Dynasty01:09:00 The Infamous 1983 Cup Final Rant01:14:30 Why the Old Firm Were Vulnerable — and can Hearts Can Do It Again? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• The FA Cup & The Broken Neck | Bert Trautmann The Nazi POW & Man City Legend 12.05.2026 52分

  Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this week's episode, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper tell the remarkable story of Bert Trautmann — the former Nazi paratrooper who became Manchester City's beloved goalkeeper and an unlikely symbol of Anglo-German reconciliation. 70 years on from the legendary 1956 FA Cup final, Wilson and Draper trace Trautmann's extraordinary journey: from Hitler Youth member and fighting on the Eastern Front, to prisoner of war in England, to the man who played on with a broken neck at Wembley. They examine his teenage indoctrination, the atrocity he witnessed, that shattered his faith in Nazism and the 25,000 protesters at Maine Road. Along the way, they explore the brutal treatment of goalkeepers in this era and how three successive cup final incidents began to change the game's laws. Finally, they reflect on how a flawed, charismatic man became the perfect bridge between two nations.00:00 Jimmy Ashcroft and the Goalkeeper's Lot06:30 Hitler Youth — Trautmann's Indoctrination12:45 The Eastern Front19:20 Witnessing the SS Massacre25:00 Captured Three Times — Soviets, Americans, and a Cup of Tea27:10 Prisoner of War and the Accidental Goalkeeper34:50 Staying in England 42:15 25,000 Protesters48:00 Winning Over Manchester53:40 The 1956 FA Cup Final — Playing On with a Broken Neck58:10 The Dangerous Life of the Goalkeeper01:03:20 Footballer of the Year and Personal Tragedy01:09:00 Burma, Women's Football, and an OBE01:14:30 The Perfect Symbol of Reconciliation Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• "Can't Win Anything With Kids" Manchester United's 1996 Triumph 05.05.2026 56分

  Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this week's episode, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper revisit the 1995-96 Premier League season. 30 years on from one of the great title races. They trace Manchester United's unlikely triumph, beginning with the summer meltdown that saw Ince, Hughes, and Kanchelskis all depart, the infamous opening-day defeat to Aston Villa, and Alan Hansen's immortal verdict. From Cantona's Paris crisis and Ferguson's diplomatic dinner to Newcastle's flying start and that seemingly insurmountable 12-point lead, Wilson and Draper unpick every twist. They examine Schmeichel's heroics in the pivotal March showdown at St James' Park, the Tino Asprilla effect, the curse of the grey shirts at The Dell, and finally the extraordinary moment Kevin Keegan lost his composure on live television.00:00 Alan Hansen Sets the Scene06:30 The Summer Meltdown — Ince, Hughes, Kanchelskis12:45 Class of '92 and the Aston Villa Opener19:20 Cantona's Paris Crisis and Ferguson's Rescue Mission27:10 Newcastle's Flying Start and the 12-Point Lead34:50 The March Showdown at St James' Park42:15 Tino Asprilla and the Rodney Marsh Debate48:00 Liverpool 4, Newcastle 3 — The Moment It Turned53:40 The Grey Shirts and the Southampton Collapse58:10 The Mind Games Begin01:03:20 Keegan's Meltdown — "I Will Love It"01:09:00 United Win the League and the Double01:14:30 Why This Season Made the Premier League Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• The Impossible Dream: Leicester City’s Premier League Win 28.04.2026 1時間 5分

  Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this week’s episode, co-hosts Jonthan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by Sports Journalist and author Jonathan Northcroft to take a look 10 years on from that extraordinary and famous Premier League win! They frame the story around key pivot points, including the Valentine’s Day defeat at Arsenal and the self-belief it sparked, plus Ranieri’s unexpected decision to still grant the squad a holiday. Northcroft traces the longer build-up through the 2013 Watford play-off heartbreak, Nigel Pearson’s cross-department reset, the 2014 Championship-winning platform (and the later FFP breach), and the club’s smart recruitment and early data use that delivered players like Kanté, Mahrez and Okazaki. They cover Pearson’s departure after off-field incidents, the scepticism around Ranieri’s appointment, his “dilly ding” media touch, rivals’ crises, standout wins over Liverpool and Manchester City, Spurs’ chase, and the city’s all-in celebrations as the miracle became real.06:35 Origins of the Build10:39 FFP and the Promotion Debate11:35 Recruitment and Data Edge17:36 Kante and Mahrez Backstories22:22 Pearson Great Escape and Exit26:10 Ranieri Arrives Against the Odds27:46 Dilly Ding and Pizza Psychology35:24 Chelsea Chaos Unravels41:42 Big Clubs in Crisis45:02 Vardy Volley and City Statement47:37 Leicester Media Frenzy53:30 Spurs Pressure and Title Night59:19 Leicester Celebrates as One01:04:30 Bonkers Finale Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• Do I Not Like That! England's Downfall Under Graham Taylor | Part Three 21.04.2026 54分

  Welcome back to It Was What It Was the football history podcast. In today’s episode, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper bring this Graham Taylor series to a close with the Oslo qualifier that defined his reign: a chaotic, tactically muddled 2–0 loss to Norway at the peak of their ‘golden age’, captured in painful detail by The Impossible Job. Unpacking Taylor’s mounting stress, tabloid caricature and “no‑win” selection calls—especially the dilemma of persisting with an undercooked Paul Gascoigne—before explaining how the back-three plan collapsed, England’s structure unravelled, and Norway’s alertness (including a quick free kick) punished them. The episode breaks down England’s chaotic structure, Norway’s tactical calm under Egil “Drillo” Olsen, and Taylor’s famous touchline outbursts, before tracing the fallout: “Norse Manure” headlines, concerns the players had stopped responding, and a demoralising US tour. England briefly revive by beating Poland, but lose in Rotterdam and, despite winning 7–1 in San Marino after conceding almost instantly, miss out as the Netherlands win in Poland. They assess Taylor’s broader legacy, his misfortune with timing and player form, and his later rehabilitation at Watford.01:51 Norway’s Golden Generation04:51 Tabloid Mockery Era06:11 Psychology and Pressure08:18 The Gaza Fitness Dilemma18:30 Paranoia and Tactical Switch22:50 System Collapse in Oslo25:57 Quick Free Kick Nightmare29:41 Norway Strike Again30:32 Tabloid Backlash32:07 Tactics And Trust35:18 Bigger Picture Failings42:56 USA Tour Fallout43:49 Last Chance Qualifiers45:36 San Marino Shock48:28 Reassessing the Taylor Legacy Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• Do I Not Like That! England's Downfall Under Graham Taylor | Part Two 14.04.2026 50分

  Welcome back to It Was What It Was. In today's episode, co-hosts Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson continue Graham Taylor’s England story as the 1994 World Cup qualifying begins to wobble, with Paul Gascoigne’s talent and volatility dominating the narrative. They examine how Taylor’s pragmatic, direct style—shaped by lower-league realities and later linked (often unfairly) to FA long-ball doctrine—collided with more technical European approaches, and how internal battles involving Charles Hughes and data pioneer Charles Reap poisoned the backdrop. England’s campaign lurches through a Norway draw at Wembley after a late stunner, a Gascoigne-inspired win over Turkey, and a damaging 2–2 draw with the Netherlands featuring an undetected elbow and a late penalty. With Gascoigne returning in a mask, England then stumble in a hostile Poland away match and escape with a late equaliser, before Taylor’s brutal “headless chickens” verdict leaves his team heading to Oslo under growing pressure.00:24 Setting the Scene03:08 Taylor’s Pragmatic Roots06:50 Pressing vs Possession10:04 Charles Hughes and the Winning Formula13:55 Reap vs Hughes Fallout19:31 Norway’s Long Ball Irony21:59 Back to Qualifying Hopes24:10 Gazza’s Norway Controversy26:50 Taylor’s Gaza Dilemma28:22 Norway Opener Heartbreak30:53 Turkey Win and Dependence32:53 Too Honest With Press40:12 Dutch Clash at Wembley44:13 Mask Return and Mania45:52 Poland Chaos and Critique49:03 Headless Chickens Finale Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• Do I Not Like That! England's Downfall Under Graham Taylor | Part One 07.04.2026 50分

  Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. Co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper continue on from last week’s episode with Jan Fjortoft to delve into how things went wrong for Graham Taylor during his time as England manager. In this first part of a three part series on Graham Taylor (following our episode with Fjortoft) we take a look at the high of Italia ’90 to the early warning signs of Graham Taylor’s troubled England reign, setting up the wider story of his eventual downfall. Central to the episode is Paul Gascoigne’s rise into “Gaza mania,” the off-field chaos and disciplinary problems that followed, including the 1991 FA Cup final knee rupture and subsequent setbacks. Taylor struggled to manage both the player and the circus around him. England qualified for Euro 1992 but drew twice, lost to Sweden and Taylor’s substitution of Gary Lineker became emblematic as tabloid ridicule culminate in a reputational collapse for Taylor.01:05 The Impossible Job Era07:39 Referees And Rotterdam12:47 Italia 90 Reality Check20:02 Gaza Mania Begins25:31 Euro Qualifiers Begin28:24 Ireland Away Selection30:08 Taylor Press Tightrope35:48 Cup Final Knee Rupture41:46 Euro 92 Sweden Turning Point42:55 Lineker Sub Controversy47:50 Fitness Gap And Refuelling49:32 Turnip Taylor Tabloid Sting Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• Jan Åge Fjørtoft, on Norway + England's Nadir 31.03.2026 1時間 2分

  Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. Today co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by a very special returning guest - Jan Fjørtoft! In this episode, we will explore Norway’s remarkable rise in the early 1990s and their famous 2–0 win over Graham Taylor’s England in 1993. Fjørtoft explains how Egil “Drillo” Olsen took a previously struggling national team and built belief through a disciplined, direct style, carefully defined roles, and detailed match analysis using hand-written stats and video. The episode breaks down the key tactical choices that unsettled England, revisits both Norway goals, and follows the qualifier run that took Norway to their first World Cup since 1938. Norway will return to the World Cup this summer for the first time since 1998. This episode will be followed by a three part special on Graham Taylor. 01:12 Norway before the rise04:09 Olsen arrives and stirs06:47 Direct football philosophy14:31 Stats and analysis20:05 Defined roles and system23:40 Beating England 28:12 Tactical switch 31:33 Gascoigne fitness factor32:50 Olsen’s Selection Mind Games37:20 Two Goals Breakdown42:41 Road to USA 94 Sealed45:45 Poland Night and Wild Celebrations48:46 Heroes Welcome in Norway52:04 World Cup Heat Prep Fiasco59:59 Egil Olsen Legacy Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• World Cup Countdown: 1966 | Patreon Sneak Peek! 25.03.2026 17分

  Today, Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper take you back to the 1966 FIFA World Cup.On home soil in England, the hosts claimed their first and only World Cup title. Captain Bobby Moore marshalled the side with composure, while Geoff Hurst rose to immortality with a historic hat-trick in the final. England’s triumph, sealed in a dramatic victory over West Germany, remains one of the most iconic moments in football history and the nations greatest footballing day.You can listen to the full episode on Patreon, along with the below privileges:BONUS EDITIONSExclusive deep dives, specials & extended conversations from one-off specials to extra episodes that expand on our weekly free shows, you’ll get fresh, members-only content - including our “Bonus Editions” strand where Rob and Jonathan go deeper into football’s biggest stories and hidden histories.WORLD CUP WEDNESDAYS!Our countdown to 2026 - every tournament revisited Join Rob and Jonathan as they walk through every World Cup from 1930 to today, exploring the drama, evolution, legends, controversies and cultural impact of each tournament.RETRO MAGAZINE COLLECTIONFlicking through the archives of classic football culture A nostalgic series diving into the pages of Shoot! and other retro football magazines - revisiting the stars, forgotten features, and football fandom of decades past.MONTHLY LIVE Q&A WITH ROB & JONATHANYour chance to ask two of football’s leading writers anything. Submit your questions about recent episodes, football history, their journalism, or upcoming projects — and hear their answers in our LIVE members-only Q&A.JOIN THE IT WAS COMMUNITYConnect with fellow fans & nostalgia lovers Meet other members who share your passion for football history. Be part of the conversation and help shape the future of the show.What’s includedExclusive contentQ&AsAd-free episodesPrivate communityFollow the link here - or go to Patreon.com and search for It Was What It Was Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• Clyde Best: Breaking Barriers in English Football 24.03.2026 52分

  Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by an extraudinary guest - Clyde Best. An absolute pioneer to the game, born in Bermuda, Clyde would become one of the first black players in First Division football in England. His new film, ‘Transforming the Beautiful Game: The Clyde Best Story’ will be shown for a week at Sadler’s Wells East from 25th March.In this episode, Clyde recounts arriving in England as a teenager, getting lost at West Ham station and being taken in by the Charles family. He reflects on his rise at West Ham, getting his debut against Arsenal under Ron Greenwood in 1969 and playing alongside the likes of Bobby Moore, Geoff Hurst and Martin Peters. Clyde talks of the his Bermuda upbringing, national team breakthrough and the influence that his father had on him. Best reflects on being one of the first prominent black players in English football, enduring racist abuse and an acid-attack threat and playing against Pelé. He also discusses NASL moves to Tampa Bay and Portland Timbers and the inspiration he provided players such as Ian Wright. 01:29 Lost at Heathrow03:23 The Charles Family06:59 Bermuda Beginnings10:20 West Ham Dream13:20 Ron Greenwood Impact15:22 Fast Track Debut18:35 Breaking Barriers24:06 Facing Racism31:03 Scoring Against Pelé35:20 Leaving West Ham for the NASL37:17 American Soccer Showmanship43:01 Legacy as a Pioneer46:57 Honorary Doctorate 49:44 His love for West Ham Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• Drugs, Murder, And The World Cup Part 3: The Narco History Of Colombian Football 17.03.2026 55分

  Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this final part three of our three-part special on Colombian football and the tragedy of Andrés Escobar.Co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper tell the story of the 1994 World Cup and its devastating aftermath. This episode explores the immense and impossible pressure placed on the Colombian squad, from death threats delivered to hotel room TVs, to the chaos of a nation in civil war pinning all its hopes on eleven men. The discussion covers the Romania defeat, the fateful own goal against the USA, and the senseless murder of Andrés Escobar outside a nightclub. Rob and Jonathan also examine the legacy of Escobar 'the gentleman of football' and his remarkable fiancée Pamela Cascada, before reflecting on Colombia's long road to recovery and redemption.You can listen to this episode ad-free over on our Patreon - Follow the link here - or go to Patreon.com and search for It Was What It Was. You will also get access to our World Cup countdown, magazine retrospectives and bonus episodes as well as a monthly Q&A with Rob and Jonathan.01:00 Andrés Escobar's Posthumous Column in El Tiempo01:55 Setting the Scene: The Narco State & Pablo Escobar's Death06:55 Pablo Escobar's Deep Love of Football10:55 Francisco Maturana on the Narcos: "Like an Octopus"16:30 Andrés Escobar: El Caballero del Fútbol20:25 A Move to AC Milan & The Burden of Representing Colombia23:30 Higuita's Exclusion & The President's Calculations26:00 The Romania Defeat: Hagi's Moment of Magic27:45 Death Threats, Kidnappings & Maturana in Tears33:00 The USA Game: Playing Under the Shadow of Snipers35:30 The Own Goal & Colombia's Elimination37:15 The Murder of Andrés Escobar41:00 Who Killed Escobar? The Galón Brothers & the Cover-Up44:45 The State Funeral & Pamela Cascada's Dignity48:15 The Aftermath: Colombia's Slow Road to Redemption51:45 2014 & The Restoration of Colombian Football Pride54:15 Closing Thoughts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• BONUS SNEAK PEEK: Colombia Through Football ft. Professor Matthew Brown 13.03.2026 17分

  In this sneak peek to a bonus episode of It Was What It Was on Patreon, hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by Professor Matthew Brown (University of Bristol) to deepen the series on Andrés Escobar by tracing how Colombian history, political violence and the drug economy intersect with football. Brown rejects Gabriel García Márquez’s claim that three events defined 20th-century Colombia, while explaining why the 5–0 win over Argentina in 1993 became a tipping point for football as a national identity marker. The discussion covers football’s emergence alongside other sporting cultures, the role of sport after the 1948 Bogotazo and during La Violencia, and Colombia’s later shift into guerrilla conflict and cocaine trafficking. They explore cartel money’s social and sporting influence, the effects of Pablo Escobar’s death and subsequent violence, the symbolic damage of Colombia’s 1994 World Cup collapse, Copa América 2001, and how the 2014 team helped build trust during negotiations leading to the 2016 peace deal, while noting ongoing violence tied to the illegal drug trade.You can listen to the full episode on PatreonOn Tuesday, Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson return to round off the Colombia series and bring that story to a close.On Wednesday, on Patreon only, the co-hosts continue the World Cup countdown series with an episode on the 1962 World Cup in Chile, looking back at the tournament and some of its key moments.Then on Friday, also on Patreon only, we look back at when Northern Ireland faced Italy in the 1958 World Cup qualifiers. With Northern Ireland preparing for their 2026 World Cup play-off semi-final against Italy, Rob and Jonathan revisit the meeting where Northern Ireland qualified for their first World Cup and discuss the background to Ireland’s football split in the 1950s. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• Drugs, Murder, And The World Cup Part 2: The Narco History Of Colombian Football 10.03.2026 47分

  Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this second part two of our three-part special on Colombian football and the tragedy of Andrés Escobar.Co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper dissect one of the greatest World Cup qualifying matches ever played: Colombia's stunning 5-0 victory over Argentina at El Monumental in Buenos Aires. This episode explores the dramatic buildup to the match, the hostile reception faced by the Colombian team, and the extraordinary performance that shocked the football world. The discussion then examines the dangerous euphoria that followed, as Colombia began to believe that they could win the 1994 World Cup, and the dark realities of the narco state.You can listen to this episode ad-free over on our Patreon - Follow the link here - or go to Patreon.com and search for It Was What It Was. You will also get access to our World Cup countdown, magazine retrospectives and bonus episodes as well as a monthly Q&A with Rob and Jonathan.01:39 Colombia's Mindset Before the Match & The Hostile Reception04:07 The Lineup: Colombia vs Argentina at El Monumental11:25 The Match Begins: Early Tension & Argentina's Miss14:05 The Plane Incident: A Bizarre Moment at El Monumental16:01 GOAL: Rincón Opens the Scoring 17:26 Maturana's Psychological Tactics at Half Time18:05 GOAL: Asprilla Makes It 2-018:47 GOAL: Valencia Volleys In the Third19:56 GOAL: Asprilla's Exquisite Curler Makes It 4-021:00 GOAL: Valencia Completes the Rout - 5-022:14 The Monumental Applauds Colombia Off the Pitch24:32 The Celebrations: 100 Deaths & National Hysteria30:55 "Now We're F***ed": The Burden of Expectation33:19 World Champions Before the Tournament Begins39:25 21 Friendlies & The Cash Grab44:51 The Dark Side: Meeting With the Cali Cartel Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• First Live Q&A | Sneak Peek! 06.03.2026 19分

  Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. We’ve just hosted our first live Patreon Q&A, where Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson answered questions directly from members, covering football history, stories from the game and much more. Here is a section from the conversation, watch and listen to the full episode only on Patreon. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• Drugs, Murder, And The World Cup Part 1: The Narco History Of Colombian Football 03.03.2026 56分

  Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this first part of our three-part special on Colombian football and the tragedy of Andrés Escobar.Co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper explore the extraordinary history of Colombian football leading up to the 1994 World Cup. This episode covers the intersection of football and narco-culture, Pablo Escobar's involvement in the sport, the tense rivalry with Argentina, and the dramatic road to qualification culminating in the legendary 5-0 victory at El Monumental. You can listen to this episode ad-free over on our Patreon - Follow the link here - or go to Patreon.com and search for It Was What It Was. You will also get access to our World Cup countdown, magazine retrospectives and bonus episodes as well as a monthly Q&A with Rob and Jonathan.01:39 The El Dorado League & Early Colombian Football10:11 Francisco Maturana: The Dentist Who Revolutionised Colombian Football19:02 Maturana's Influences: Total Football Meets South American Flair27:43 Navigating Narco-Culture: Pablo Escobar36:11 René Higuita: The Sweeper-Keeper & The Kidnapping41:25 Building Rivalry: Colombia vs Argentina at Copa América 199348:12 World Cup Qualifying Begins: Asprilla's Controversies54:03 The Road to Buenos Aires: Setting Up the Five-Nil Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• BONUS: Turf Wars: Bill Buford Sneak Peek 27.02.2026 21分

  We're on Patreon! As a treat to our loyal listeners, here's a sneak peek of what you'll be getting if you join the "It Was" Patreon community.This week Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by author Bill Buford to round up their series on hooliganism.BONUS EDITIONSExclusive deep dives, specials & extended conversations from one-off specials to extra episodes that expand on our weekly free shows, you’ll get fresh, members-only content - including our “Bonus Editions” strand where Rob and Jonathan go deeper into football’s biggest stories and hidden histories.WORLD CUP WEDNESDAYS!Our countdown to 2026 - every tournament revisited Join Rob and Jonathan as they walk through every World Cup from 1930 to today, exploring the drama, evolution, legends, controversies and cultural impact of each tournament.RETRO MAGAZINE COLLECTIONFlicking through the archives of classic football culture A nostalgic series diving into the pages of Shoot! and other retro football magazines - revisiting the stars, forgotten features, and football fandom of decades past.MONTHLY LIVE Q&A WITH ROB & JONATHANYour chance to ask two of football’s leading writers anything. Submit your questions about recent episodes, football history, their journalism, or upcoming projects — and hear their answers in our LIVE members-only Q&A.JOIN THE IT WAS COMMUNITYConnect with fellow fans & nostalgia lovers Meet other members who share your passion for football history. Be part of the conversation and help shape the future of the show.What’s includedExclusive contentQ&AsAd-free episodesPrivate communityFollow the link here - or go to Patreon.com and search for It Was What It Was Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
• Turf Wars Part Two: The History of Football Hooliganism 24.02.2026 57分

  Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this second part of our two-part special on football hooliganism, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper trace the roots of football violence from the 1890s through to its transformation into organised ‘firms’ in the 1960s, 70s and 80s. They discuss the origins of the word ‘hooligan’, early crowd disorder and FA crackdowns, and how post-war prosperity, youth subcultures, away travel and ‘taking ends’ helped create a new kind of fan conflict. The episode also covers the European and England-team flashpoints of the 1970s and 80s, the political and policing response to the Popplewell Report, with later links to post-Hillsborough reforms and why large-scale hooliganism declined.You can listen to this episode ad-free over on our Patreon - Follow the link here - or go to Patreon.com and search for It Was What It Was. You will also get access to our World Cup countdown, magazine retrospectives and bonus episodes as well as a monthly Q&A with Rob and Jonathan.01:39 Where the Word ‘Hooligan’ Comes From (1890s London)04:03 Football Fever: Mass Crowds and Class Anxiety12:17 What Early ‘Hooliganism’ Looked Like: Pitch Invasions & Crowd Control17:43 Players Under Attack20:25 Fan-on-Fan Violence Emerges & the Rise of Away Travel22:08 Cup Finals, ‘Football Specials’ & Patronising Press Panic27:27 Post-War: The 60s–70s Gangs Are Coming29:02 Teddy Boys, Rock ’n’ Roll Panics & Mods vs Rockers31:02 Merseyside: Away Travel & the Rise of Chanting36:53 Taking Ends: Territory, Undercover Trouble & the New ‘Game’41:58 Europe & England Abroad: From Paris 1975 to Euro 198044:00 1980s Casuals, Designer Gear & Firms Arranging Fights48:43 1985: Luton–Millwall, Heysel, Thatcher & the Popplewell Report51:28 Aftermath: CCTV, ID Schemes & Taylor Report53:50 Global Legacy: Ultras, Copycat Firms & Why Football Identity Endures Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.