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  Stewart Hirsch: How Lawyers Win More Clients by Being Human, Not By Being “Salesy” 17.08.2026 35分

  What if your biggest business-development advantage wasn’t your legal skill, but how you make people feel? In this episode, you’ll hear how a former big-firm lawyer turned coach built a decades-long career helping attorneys grow their books by leading with listening, caring, and genuine relationships. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Stewart Hirsch discuss: Why “how you make people feel” drives business development Lessons from watching a non-lawyer sell through listening and care Stuart’s journey from law firm associate to in-house to full-time coach Shifting from marketing to true business development in law firms Practical habits: following up, setting next steps, and thinking like in-house counsel Key Takeaways: Technical excellence is now table stakes; the differentiator is how you treat people and how you make them feel in every interaction. Deep, genuine listening often outperforms sophisticated “pitches” when it comes to earning trust and long-term business. Careers can pivot powerfully when you follow the work that energizes you, even if it means turning down “dream” jobs that would pull you off your path. Consistent follow-up and always setting clear next steps are two of the most reliable habits for building a strong book of business. To serve in-house clients effectively, outside counsel need to think like business decision-makers, not just risk-spotters, and offer practical, directional advice. "Start with the attitude of caring and curiosity." —  Stewart Hirsch Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Stewart Hirsch: Stewart Hirsch, Esq. is the Managing Director of Strategic Relationships, LLC, where he serves as an executive leadership and business development coach, consultant, and facilitator. Drawing on over 20 years of experience practicing law—both in-house at major corporations like Staples, TJX, and Welch's, as well as in private practice—he helps lawyers, C-suite executives, and professional services leaders build high-impact client relationships, navigate complex communications, and accelerate career growth. Recognized as a top business development coach by Massachusetts Lawyers Weekly, Stewart also acts as a Senior Coach for Trusted Advisor Associates, designs interactive corporate workshops, and serves as a career coach for members of the Association of Corporate Counsel. Connect with Stewart Hirsch:  Website: https://strategicrelationships.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stewarthirsch/ Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  Randi Cohen: Building a Rainmaking Practice Through Authentic Relationships 13.08.2026 33分

  Discover how an employment lawyer built a seven-figure practice not by “working the room,” but by being radically authentic, hyper-generous, and unforgettable in her relationships. This episode breaks down how to turn clients, competitors, and even adversaries into your most loyal referral sources. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Randi Cohen discuss: Non-traditional path from prosecutor to employment law partner Forming and growing a boutique firm through partnership Authentic, curiosity-driven networking (not “working the room”) Turning clients, competitors, and adversaries into referral sources Overcoming imposter syndrome and trusting your own skills Key Takeaways: Business development becomes much easier when you stop “networking” and instead focus on being genuinely curious about people’s lives, needs, and goals. Long-term success often comes from leading with generosity—connecting others, sharing referrals, and helping even when there’s nothing immediate in it for you. The most valuable relationships are built over time through repeated touchpoints, shared experiences, and small acts of follow-up and care. How you handle billing and money can either cement trust or destroy it; protecting relationships is far more valuable than squeezing every last 0.2 from a time entry. Confidence is often forged in scary, high-stakes cases—learning to push through imposter syndrome and rely on your preparation and judgment is a pivotal professional shift. "My entire approach to networking is not to think of it as networking. It's just authenticity." —  Randi Cohen Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Randi Cohen: Randi M. Cohen, Esq. is a labor and employment counselor and litigator at Kalmanson Cohen PLLC with nearly 20 years of experience representing individuals and businesses. Focused on practical, personalized problem-solving, she specializes in resolving workplace issues through strategic counseling and negotiation, while maintaining a formidable litigation practice in federal, state, and administrative tribunals across New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania when necessary. Widely sought after by small-to-medium businesses and individuals alike, Randi is an active author and member of the American Bar Association and the New York City Bar Association. Recognized as a New York Metro Super Lawyer, she holds a J.D., cum laude, from New York Law School and a B.A. from Muhlenberg College. Connect with Randi Cohen: Website: https://kalmansoncohen.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/randimcohen-employmentlawyer/ Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  Brett Trembly: Spend to Grow, Not Save to Spend in Your Law Firm 10.08.2026 35分

  What’s really holding your law firm back isn’t a lack of leads—it’s how you spend your time and handle the ones you already have. In this episode, you’ll learn how smart hiring, offshore staffing, and a professional intake process can free you from $10-an-hour tasks and unlock real, sustainable growth. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Brett Trembly discuss: Mindset shift from saving to spending for growth Early-stage law firm struggles and first key hires Offshore staffing in Latin America and founding Get Staffed Up Broken intake systems and the client’s first experience with a firm Delegation, KPIs, and freeing managing partners from billable work Key Takeaways: Clinging to a “safe” bank balance before hiring often traps owners in low-value tasks and slows growth dramatically. Hiring support—especially before you feel fully ready—is usually the only way to stop doing admin work and start focusing on higher-value activities. Law firms frequently don’t need more marketing; they need to fix intake and conversion so leads actually become clients. A professional, structured intake process signals competence, builds trust, and can transform the client’s experience from chaotic to “white glove.” Using KPIs, scorecards, and results-focused metrics is more effective than obsessing over every minute your remote or salaried team members work. "Doing all the little things yourself prevents you from ever building up your money." — Brett Trembly Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Brett Trembly: Brett Trembly, Esq., is the founding partner of Trembly Law Firm in Miami, Florida, where he focuses on business law, franchise law, and commercial litigation under the firm's mission of "Protecting the Economy, One Business at a Time." He earned his Bachelor of Arts in Communication from Eastern New Mexico University in 2005 and his Juris Doctor from the University of Miami School of Law in 2008. In addition to managing his legal practice, Trembly co-founded Get Staffed Up, a virtual staffing company that provides offshore support personnel to law firms across North America, and authored books on business growth including 24 Months to Freedom and The Danger Zones. Active in the South Florida legal community, he has served as President of the Miami Kendall Bar Association and Vice-Chair of the Florida Bar 11th Circuit Grievance Committee, earning recognition as a Florida Super Lawyer and an Inc. 5000 honoree. Connect with Brett Trembly: Website: https://tremblylaw.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bretttrembly/ Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  Elliot Johnson: Addition by Subtraction in Law Firm Marketing 06.08.2026 33分

  When everyone’s chasing the latest shiny marketing tactic, what does it look like to grow a law firm by doing less but better? In this episode, Elliot Johnson shares how “addition by subtraction,” disciplined strategy, and deep content can transform both your firm’s brand and your client experience. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Elliot Johnson discuss: Addition by subtraction and prioritization in marketing Career journey into legal marketing and CMO role Jujitsu as a framework for leadership, patience, and strategy Personal branding for lawyers vs. firm branding Content, SEO, AI, and aligning marketing with client experience Key Takeaways: Focusing on a small number of high-impact initiatives—and cutting everything else—is often the fastest path to meaningful growth. Mastery in any discipline, whether jujitsu or marketing, comes from deliberate fundamentals, patience, and long-term commitment rather than quick wins. Lawyers who intentionally build personal brands online give clients confidence, create future career options, and support their firm’s broader marketing efforts. Aligning your external marketing promises with a genuinely strong client experience is essential for generating trust, five-star reviews, and referrals. Strategic, expert-driven content now serves not only human readers but also AI and search engines, making it a crucial long-term investment for any law firm. "We want them to be able to confidently recommend us." —  Elliot Johnson Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Elliot Johnson: Elliot Johnson is the Chief Marketing Officer of Angel Reyes & Associates, one of Texas’s fastest-growing personal injury law firms — and one of the few in the industry to build a truly world-class SEO and paid media operation entirely in-house. Where most firms outsource their digital marketing and hope for the best, Elliot has assembled and developed an elite internal team spanning paid search, SEO, content, local search, digital PR, and lead generation — with a hard focus on attribution, ROI, and performance that can be defended in a boardroom. His operating philosophy is AI-first and data-obsessed, built for a marketing landscape that is changing faster than most teams can keep up with. When he’s not optimizing campaigns or debating LLMs, Elliot is a professor of Brazilian jiu-jitsu and a cinephile with a watchlist that never gets shorter. Connect with Elliot Johnson: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elliotjohnsonks/ Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  John Jakovenko: From Cash-Poor to Profitable with Law Firm KPIs and Systems 03.08.2026 34分

  Discover how small and midsize law firms can stop being “revenue rich but cash poor” by building real systems, leveraging AI, and tracking the right numbers. In this episode, you’ll hear how to plug profit leaks, tame AR, and design a law firm that runs like a business—not a burnout machine. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and John Jakovenko discuss: Career path from HR to fractional law firm COO Why systems are critical for efficient, profitable law firms Practical AI use cases for billing, timekeeping, and intake Revenue vs. cash flow, debt, and financial blind spots Lead capture, AR strategies, and creative pricing/payment models Key Takeaways: A law firm can have impressive revenue and still be “cash poor” if systems, expense control, and debt management are ignored. AI should be treated as a teammate, not a threat—offloading first drafts, admin tasks, time entry, and pre-bill review so attorneys can focus on higher-value work. Profitability depends heavily on cash velocity: how quickly work is billed and money actually hits the account, not just what’s on paper. Most firms waste a significant portion of their marketing spend because they lack proper lead capture, follow-up, and accountability metrics. Creative product mixes (e.g., adding flat-fee or subscription-style services) and structured payment plans can smooth out revenue and reduce financial stress. "You might be revenue rich but cash poor, and that comes from not having your systems in place, but it's also not knowing your numbers." —  John Jakovenko Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About John Jakovenko: John is a leading expert on all things business of law. Since 2006, John has devoted his career to law firm management, working with firms of all sizes and in various states. He also teaches the Association of Legal Administrators Business of Law HR courses as well as the HR section of the Legal Management Fundamentals course, helping new administrators navigate their first five years in law firms. Connect with John Jakovenko:  Website: https://jakovenko.io/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jakovenko/ Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  Jamie Rubin: Why Legal Business Development Is a Marathon, Not a Sprint 30.07.2026 32分

  Discover how a jazz pianist turned niche entertainment work into a powerhouse advertising, privacy, and tech practice—and why treating business development as a marathon, not a sprint, has allowed him to build a loyal, decades‑long client base. In this episode, you’ll hear practical, battle‑tested strategies for specialization, client relationships, and training the next generation of rainmakers. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Jamie Rubin discuss: Lawyer’s journey as a marathon, not a sprint Building a niche/specialist practice and moving firms Impact of legal operations, budgets, and alternative fee arrangements Personal branding vs. firm branding and the “Info Law Group way” Training younger lawyers in organized, non-salesy business development Key Takeaways: Treating a legal career like a marathon allows room for ebbs and flows in work while staying confident that consistent effort will pay off over time. Specializing deeply in a niche practice area or industry builds trust and makes it easier for clients to follow you, even when you change firms. Modern in‑house legal operations demand sharper budgeting, clearer estimates, and more flexible fee arrangements, forcing outside counsel to become better business partners. Strong client loyalty grows from genuine personal relationships—helping clients succeed, understanding how they are judged internally, and making them look good in front of their own stakeholders. Younger lawyers can learn business development by following a structured, organized process that avoids pushy “sales” tactics and instead focuses on thoughtful questions, careful listening, and well‑practiced messaging. "My big mistake is not truly understanding my client's perspective." —  Jamie Rubin Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Jamie Rubin: Jamie Rubin is an advertising, technology, and privacy lawyer who guides clients through bringing traditional and emerging campaigns from initial concept to execution. Ranked as a Leader by Chambers and Partners and recognized by Best Lawyers, his practice covers national and digital advertising, celebrity agreements, sweepstakes, social media marketing, and claim substantiation. Certified as an Artificial Intelligence Governance Professional (AIGP) and a member of the International Association of Privacy Professionals (IAPP), Jamie previously practiced as a partner at Wildman Harrold Allen & Dixon LLP and was named one of the "40 Illinois Attorneys Under 40 To Watch" by Law Bulletin Publishing Company. Connect with Jamie Rubin:  Website: https://www.infolawgroup.com/jamie-rubin LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jrubinadlawyer/ Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  Niraj Chhabra: Avoiding the Biggest Money Mistakes High-Earning Lawyers Make 27.07.2026 34分

  Even high-earning attorneys can feel financially stuck when taxes, lifestyle creep, and poor planning collide. In this episode, you’ll learn how to fix the most common money mistakes lawyers make and build a financial plan that actually supports your life and career. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Niraj Chhabra discuss: Taxes as the biggest financial pitfall for attorneys Lifestyle creep and savings habits for high earners Balancing kids’ education, family support, and retirement Retirement, deferred compensation, and long-term care planning Unique financial challenges for solo and small-firm lawyers Key Takeaways: Taxes are often the largest and most overlooked threat to an attorney’s long-term wealth, especially when income rises, but tax strategy doesn’t evolve. As income increases, spending almost always follows—but savings rarely keep pace unless it’s structured and intentional. Funding children’s education and big life events is important, but it must be weighed against the very real risk of extending your own working years. Tools like deferred compensation plans, 529s, and properly structured insurance can dramatically improve both tax efficiency and retirement outcomes when used correctly. Solo and small-firm lawyers face unique cash flow and risk issues and need different emergency reserves, retirement structures, and income protection than firm employees. "You should have three to six months' worth of expenses set aside in cash. If you're a solo, you need 12 to 36..." — Niraj Chhabra Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Niraj Chhabra: Niraj Chhabra is the Managing Director of SideBar Advisors. Before launching the firm in 2022, he was an advisor with Ameriprise Financial since 2005, concentrating on clients in the legal profession. His central focus includes family finances, tax and estate strategies, retirement, and financial planning for small businesses. His goal is to help attorneys navigate their unique tax challenges and modify their financial plans as their careers evolve. He does this by offering attorneys holistic financial planning and complimentary educational workshops. Connect with Niraj Chhabra:  Website: https://sidebaradvisors.com/ Show: https://sidebaradvisors.com/podcast/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nirajchhabra/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sidebaradvisors/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SideBarAdvisors/ Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  Cheryl Donaldson: Culture, Mentorship, and Keeping Young Lawyers From Walking Out 23.07.2026 33分

  High-performing young lawyers are more willing than ever to walk if a firm won’t invest in them. In this episode, Steve and Cheryl unpack what it really takes to build a culture of connection, mentoring, and resilience that keeps top legal talent thriving instead of burning out. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Cheryl Donaldson discuss: Mark Twain quote, risk-taking, and non-linear careers Early travel, psychology training, and “Lead from the Soul” Parenting, modeling behavior, and long-game training with kids How Gen Z and young associates think about big law, AI, and mobility Law firm culture, connection vs. disconnection, and practical retention strategies Key Takeaways: Taking risks and embracing non-linear career moves creates depth, perspective, and resilience that ultimately make professionals more effective and fulfilled. Whether with children or associates, change comes from consistent training over time, not one-off conversations or quick fixes. The newest generation of lawyers is highly thoughtful about how they want to live and work—and they will leave if a firm’s culture doesn’t align with their values. Connection, structure, and clear expectations are the three pillars of a healthy firm; without all three, feedback and performance demands quickly backfire. In a tech-heavy, hybrid world, leaders must intentionally replace lost in-person contact with deliberate relational touchpoints if they want loyalty, sustainability, and long-term talent. "They're going to be confident to leave if they're not getting what they need or what they want. They're going to be mobile." —  Cheryl Donaldson Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Cheryl Donaldson: Cheryl Donaldson is a licensed marriage and family therapist, consultant, international speaker, and author of Lead from the Soul. Drawing on more than 30 years of clinical experience, she works with individuals, organizations, and legal professionals to strengthen leadership, wellbeing, and workplace culture through the integration of psychology, spirituality, and self-leadership. Connect with Cheryl Donaldson: Website: https://cheryldonaldson.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cheryl-donaldson-ma-lmft-lcpc-3b9254292/ Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  Chaka Patterson: How Outside Counsel Can Win (and Keep) In‑House Clients 20.07.2026 35分

  When in-house counsel are “hair on fire” busy and severely resource constrained, why should they choose you as outside counsel? In this episode, you’ll hear a former GC and big‑law partner break down exactly how to become the trusted, go‑to lawyer that general counsel actually want to hire and introduce to their peers. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Chaka Patterson discuss: Adaptability and rainmaking in a changing legal market The real day-to-day life of in-house counsel What GCs value most in outside counsel relationships Using investment banker and consultant strategies for BD Deepening and expanding relationships inside client organizations Key Takeaways: Long-term success in private practice is less about raw legal talent and more about adaptability, relationship depth, and how well you understand your clients’ business realities. In-house counsel are often overwhelmed and resource-constrained, so outside lawyers who proactively leverage their firm’s tools, people, and knowledge to lighten that load stand out quickly. Treating in-house lawyers as whole people—with careers, families, and aspirations—rather than as “a piece of business” is a major differentiator and often the true reason work moves firms. The best rainmakers think like investment bankers and management consultants: they invest early in relationships, arrive with insight (not “What’s keeping you up at night?”), and burrow into organizations so they’re never reliant on a single contact. Asking satisfied clients for warm introductions—and systematizing how those introductions are made and followed up—turns existing matters into a steady pipeline of new in-house relationships. "Anytime you can help somebody solve a problem of any kind, you have delivered real value." —  Chaka Patterson Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Chaka Patterson: Chaka Patterson is an experienced attorney and business strategist with over three decades of leadership spanning private practice, public service, and corporate executive roles. Highly educated with degrees from Amherst College, Harvard Law School, and the University of Chicago (M.B.A.), he has served as a partner at leading law firms and held key executive roles, including General Counsel at Adtalem Global Education and Vice President of Treasury and Investor Relations at Exelon Corporation. Today, he leverages this deep expertise in law, finance, and corporate governance through Chaka Strategy, where he coaches and advises legal professionals navigating complex career and business transformations. Connect with Chaka Patterson: Website: https://chakastrategy.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chaka-patterson/ Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  Jeff Arnold: Automating the Admin Chaos Holding Law Firms Back 16.07.2026 32分

  Stop wasting billable hours on admin work. In this episode, you’ll learn how to identify hidden bottlenecks in your firm and turn them into reliable automations that save you hours every week—without tripping over AI ethics or security rules. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Jeff Arnold discuss: Process mapping before automation and AI Common admin bottlenecks in law firms and HR Practical examples of email, billing, and document automations ABA Formal Opinion 512 and AI risk in legal workflows Agents vs. workflows and why most firms aren’t ready for agents yet Key Takeaways: Automation should be built on top of clearly mapped, efficient processes; otherwise, it only helps you make mistakes faster. The best automation wins often come from small, repetitive tasks—like email responses, filing documents, or parsing PDFs—that quietly consume hours every week. Many legal professionals underestimate how much of their day is administrative; even saving ten minutes per day can translate into an extra workweek of time each year. There is a critical distinction between automation and generative AI in law: once client data touches AI, additional ethical and security requirements are triggered. Most firms don’t have an “agent” problem; they have a workflow problem—reliable, well-defined automations should come first, with AI layered in only where it truly adds value. "The most important thing is to get your processes down and get a solid foundation. Work on automation first, then you can work on implementing AI." —  Jeff Arnold Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Jeff Arnold: Jeff Arnold is the Founder and President of 4Spot Consulting, an automation and AI implementation firm, and a two-time Amazon Best-Selling author. With more than 20 years implementing automation and 40 years of leadership experience, Jeff helps law firms and professional services teams find and eliminate the manual, repetitive work that quietly drains billable hours, then convert that reclaimed time back into high-value, client-facing work. His core message: technology doesn't replace your people; it elevates them. Through his flagship keynote, "Stop Logging. Start Leading.," Jeff shows organizations how to reclaim 25% of their work week through strategic automation. Connect with Jeff Arnold: Website: https://4spotconsulting.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jwarnold/ Book (The Automated Law Firm) - Pre-register: The-Automated-Law-.com OpsMap™ Quick Audit - a one-pager to help people get started: https://4spotconsulting.com/opsmap-quick-audit/ Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  Alex Karasik: From Zero Clients to Rainmaker Through Relentless Preparation 13.07.2026 37分

  How did a young partner go from “no plan, no book” to doubling his business year over year—without ever feeling like a salesperson? In this episode, you’ll hear how deliberate preparation, mentors, and genuine relationships can transform a legal career into a true rainmaking engine. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Alex Karasik discuss: Family values and early influences on career and character The power of preparation and the Muhammad Ali mindset Learning business development from elite mentors Relationship-based rainmaking and “sales-free” selling Starting early: advice for law students and young lawyers on BD Key Takeaways: Success in law—whether in the courtroom or in business development—is largely determined by the preparation you do when no one is watching. Treating business development as relationship-building and problem-solving, rather than “selling,” removes the anxiety many lawyers feel around sales. A strong network, built on kindness, favors, and “mitzvahs” with no expectation of return, often becomes the foundation of a durable book of business. Carving out protected time for business development—evenings, early mornings, or weekends—is essential if you want to stop “running someone else’s race.” The biggest regret for many successful lawyers is not starting earlier: law school and even college are not too soon to begin building a network and presence. "If you don't make time for business development, it's not going to happen. It's not something that just happens by chance or by luck." —  Alex Karasik Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Alex Karasik: Alex W. Karasik is a core member of Duane Morris’ Class Action Defense Team and multiple artificial intelligence committees, specializing in high-stakes employment law and privacy matters. He represents a diverse clientele—ranging from Fortune 500 multinational organizations to local Chicagoland businesses—across major industries including hospitality, technology, healthcare, and manufacturing. Recognized as an industry thought leader, Mr. Karasik's legal analysis has been featured in Forbes and Law360, and he has been honored as a Super Lawyers “Rising Star” (2024–2026) and in Best Lawyers “Ones to Watch.” Prior to his seven years as an associate at an international law firm, he earned his J.D. from Notre Dame, where he served as President of the Sports, Communication & Entertainment Law Forum. He also holds a Master of Communication Management and a Bachelor of Arts from the University of Southern California, where he spent over five years working with the USC Trojans football team under Coach Pete Carroll. Connect with Alex Karasik:  Website: https://www.duanemorris.com/attorneys/alexkarasik.html Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  Ellen Cohen: How High‑Performing Lawyers Can 10x Their Impact Without 10x the Hours 09.07.2026 32分

  High-performing lawyers are drowning in billable hours, perfectionism, and constant interruptions—but it doesn’t have to be that way. In this episode, you’ll learn practical strategies to delegate better, protect your time, and manage stress so you can build a sustainable practice without burning out. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Ellen Cohen discuss: Transition from in-house entertainment lawyer to leadership coach Biggest stressors and billable-hour pressure in modern law practice Delegation myths and the real cost of “it’s easier if I do it myself” Time management, prioritization, and managing interruptions Perfectionism, neuroscience of stress, and practical self-care habits Key Takeaways: Treating every task as equally urgent and important is a fast track to burnout; you must distinguish between high-value, urgent work and tasks that can be delegated or delayed. The mindset of “it’s easier if I do it myself” hides a massive hidden cost in lost billable hours, lost growth, and lost personal time. Truly effective delegation requires training others, tolerating imperfection in the short term, and focusing your time on work that matches your highest value and rate. Perfectionism may look professional on the surface, but it often comes from self-limiting beliefs and dramatically slows productivity while increasing stress and risk of burnout. Chronic stress pushes you into fight-or-flight, which makes clear thinking neurologically harder and raises the risk of malpractice—regular breaks, movement, and joy-producing activities are therefore performance tools, not luxuries. "When you're stressed out, when you're in fight or flight, when you're in your sympathetic nervous system, you actually cannot neurologically think clearly, and it elevates your risk of malpractice, making mistakes, errors, reactivity, emotional responses that are not in line. You cannot work as efficiently." —  Ellen Cohen Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Ellen Cohen: Ellen B. Cohen is a seasoned executive coach, organizational consultant, and former attorney who brings over 25 years of senior executive experience at major media and tech companies like Disney, Sony, Fox, Microsoft, and Viacom to her leadership development practice. Leveraging over 2,500 hours of coaching experience, she partners with C-suite executives and high-achieving professionals to help them expand their influence, manage stress through neuroscience, and transition from reactive execution to strategic leadership. Ellen holds a J.D. from Emory University School of Law, a Master’s in Organization Development and Leadership from Fielding Graduate University, is admitted to the state bars of CA, NY, FL, and GA, and holds multiple elite coaching credentials (PCC, CPCC, CPQC). As a Core Guide for the executive women's network Chief, she combines her deep corporate background with mental fitness practices to help leaders break through mental glass ceilings and build sustainable, high-impact careers. Connect with Ellen Cohen:  Website: https://ebccoaching.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ebccoaching/ Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  Lauren Paxton: Escaping the “Friend Zone” and Building a Real Book of Business 06.07.2026 32分

  Lawyers are taught to practice law, not build a book of business—yet their careers depend on it. In this episode, discover how to reframe “sales” into problem-solving, develop sustainable BD habits, and turn everyday relationships into real opportunities. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Lauren Paxton discuss: Mindset shifts for lawyer business development Reframing sales as solving client problems Getting out of the “friend zone” with potential clients Targeting ideal clients, industries, and strategic partners Building consistent BD habits and leveraging existing relationships Key Takeaways: Business development becomes far more sustainable when it’s treated as a long-term journey of experimentation rather than a pass–fail test. Reframing “sales” as solving real problems makes outreach feel aligned with professional identity instead of pushy or manipulative. The most effective business development starts with clarity on where you want to end up in your career and then working backward to design the path. Narrow, specific targeting and curiosity-driven conversations make you memorable and referable in a way that “I do everything” never will. Consistency wins: small, habitual BD actions—especially with existing clients and colleagues—compound over time and smooth out the feast-or-famine roller coaster. "Business development involves a mindset of: ‘this is a journey, and there's no failure, there's just figuring out all the different ways it doesn't work until you fall into the one that does’." —  Lauren Paxton Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Lauren Paxton: Lauren Paxton is an executive coach and consultant, working primarily with lawyers and law firms. Lauren’s work integrates mindset and neuroscience-based tools, working with her clients’ natural strengths to build the businesses and careers they envision.  Lauren’s coaching and consulting approach is informed by her experience as a former Chambers & Partners-ranked law firm partner, Assistant U.S. Attorney, Bar Association leader, and media contributor cited in Forbes, Newsweek, and CFO Magazine.  Throughout her career, Lauren has been a trusted thought-partner to lawyers and executives, and she understands firsthand the ever-changing landscape her clients are navigating. Connect with Lauren Paxton:  Website: https://www.laurenpaxton.com/ Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  Chris White: How Legal Associates Become Truly “Recruitable” 02.07.2026 34分

  When is legal recruiting “simple but hard”? In this episode, a former BigLaw attorney turned recruiter pulls back the curtain on how associates can become highly marketable and how firms quietly lose top candidates—plus what both sides must do differently in today’s ultra-competitive legal market. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Chris White discuss: Transition from law practice to legal recruiting Why credentials and experience shape lateral options Common mistakes associates make in their careers and job searches How firms lose strong candidates and what great hiring processes look like Market trends, compensation pressure, and lifestyle trade-offs in law Key Takeaways: Legal recruiting looks straightforward on paper, but in practice, it’s a complex, often difficult matchmaking process between firms and candidates. Credentials, law school performance, and the caliber of prior firms heavily influence how many and what kinds of lateral opportunities an attorney will realistically have. Associates quietly hurt their own marketability when they neglect their LinkedIn, allow their materials to go stale, and fail to build a network while billing heavy hours. Law firms routinely lose top candidates by moving too slowly, failing to tell a compelling story about what makes them unique, and not putting prospects in front of the right partners. Smaller and mid-sized firms can’t always compete on salary, but they can win by offering better lifestyle, lower billable requirements, and real upside for business generators. "The more information a candidate has, the more likely they are to accept." —  Chris White Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Chris White: As a former practicing attorney, Chris White leverages his firsthand experience and business acumen to effectively recruit, place, and advise attorneys nationwide from his base in Chicago. After earning his BBA from the University of Michigan’s Steven M. Ross School of Business in 2004 and graduating from the University of Michigan Law School in 2007, he began his legal career handling corporate and securities matters at the international firm Drinker Biddle & Reath, later practicing at the mid-sized Chicago firm Pedersen & Houpt. Today, Chris has successfully placed attorneys across a vast array of practice areas—including litigation, corporate/M&A, real estate, and tax—at numerous law firms and companies. Also, the founder of a small beer tasting company, Chris combines his dual background in law and business with a genuine enthusiasm for teaching and helping others to uniquely guide candidates through their legal careers. Connect with Chris White:  Website: https://www.navigatelegalsearch.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopherbrucewhite/ Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  Wendy Meadows: Forever Is Composed of Nows – Beating Burnout and Redesigning Your Legal Career 29.06.2026 33分

  What if your legal career didn’t have to feel like a grind, you just survive? In this episode, you’ll learn how to pause time, beat burnout, and intentionally design a solo practice and life that actually fit you. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Wendy Meadows discuss: “Forever is composed of nows,” and pausing time Journaling, gratitude, and intentionally replaying “yesterday” Leaving litigation for mediation and coaching lawyers Burnout vs. a career that no longer fits Young lawyers, work-life integration, and treating yourself as the CEO Key Takeaways: Being fully present in the “now” moments of your day is how you ultimately shape the career and life you’ll look back on. Simple reflection practices like journaling about “what was great about yesterday” can anchor gratitude and reduce the feeling of life rushing by. Leaving litigation or a firm isn’t always about hating the work; sometimes it’s about aligning with a role and business model that feels ethical, sustainable, and enjoyable. Burnout will recur over a career, but recognizing your personal warning signs and having tools—like movement, boundaries, and intentional scheduling—can shorten its duration and impact. Treating yourself as the CEO of your practice (and life) means owning the decisions, direction, and standards, rather than passively letting circumstances or other people steer you. "The biggest mistake in my business is when I forget that I'm the CEO." —  Wendy Meadows Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Wendy Meadows: Wendy S. Meadows is a Maryland-based family law attorney, certified life coach, and mediator who runs the Law Office of Wendy S. Meadows, LLC in Phoenix, Maryland. After graduating cum laude from Franklin & Marshall College in 2002 and the American University Washington College of Law in 2005, she spent years as a traditional family law litigator before intentionally shifting her focus entirely to out-of-court alternative dispute resolutions. Today, her legal practice specializes exclusively in mediation, collaborative law, prenuptial agreements, and parent coordination to help families resolve high-conflict custody and divorce issues with minimal friction. Alongside her law practice, she runs a professional coaching and consulting business called Lawfully Lean—informed by her own experience with professional burnout—where she acts as a strategic coach, author, and speaker helping high-achieving women, lawyers, and firm owners optimize their habits and build sustainable careers. Connect with Wendy Meadows:  Website: https://www.wendymeadowslaw.com/ Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  Jeremy Baker: Why Lawyers Must Get AI-Literate or Get Left Behind 25.06.2026 32分

  What happens when a big law partner walks away from a “wonderful job” to build an AI-powered solo practice? In this episode, you’ll hear how one construction lawyer is using AI to slash hours of work to minutes—and why lawyers who stay on the sidelines risk being left behind. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Jeremy Baker discuss: Leaving big law to launch a solo practice How AI is practically used in day-to-day legal work Efficiency, billing models, and the future of big law Ethical and strategic considerations around AI adoption Encouragement for lawyers to experiment and get AI-literate Key Takeaways: You don’t need to be a coder to benefit from AI; the willingness to experiment and basic skills like copy-paste are enough to start transforming your workflow. Tasks that once required staff support, days of delay, and high cost can now be compressed into minutes with the right AI tools. Traditional big law business models built on leverage and large billable-hour teams are likely to face serious disruption as AI boosts individual productivity. Market forces will push firms toward more efficient, smaller teams and alternative fee structures, rewarding those who embrace technology early. Waiting for institutional permission or a “starting gun” is risky; individual lawyers must proactively get literate in AI to secure their future in the profession. "The only skill that I really needed was the desire to get started, and then the ability to cut and paste, because there's no coding required to play with [AI]." —  Jeremy Baker Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Jeremy Baker: Jeremy S. Baker is a Chicago-based attorney and the founder of Baker Law Group LLC, specializing in construction law, litigation, and alternative dispute resolution. Admitted to practice in 2002, he has extensive experience representing architects, developers, engineers, and property owners in complex contract negotiations and construction disputes. A former partner at ArentFox Schiff LLP (formerly Schiff Hardin LLP), Baker has served as an adjunct professor of construction law and is a frequent speaker and writer for industry organizations, including the American Institute of Architects (AIA) and the American Council of Engineering Companies (ACEC). He has been consistently recognized by Thomson Reuters as an Illinois Super Lawyer, a distinction he has held consecutively since 2019. Connect with Jeremy Baker:  Website: https://designbuildlaw.com/, https://operationpalmtree.com/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremysbaker/ Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  Cooper Saunders: Turning Law Firm Marketing Into Measurable Revenue 22.06.2026 28分

  Tired of paying for “more clicks” and getting zero real cases? In this episode, you’ll hear how strategic market research, real social proof, and case-study-driven content can turn a law firm website into a revenue engine instead of a digital brochure. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Cooper Saunders discuss: The real goal of digital marketing for law firms (revenue, not clicks) Market research and choosing markets you can dominate Building targeted content around real client cases and questions Personalization, video, and human connection on law firm websites Social proof, reviews, and the “Dream 100” referral strategy Key Takeaways: Marketing success for law firms starts with showing up where people are already searching for the exact services you provide, instead of broadcasting to everyone and hoping for the best. Smart lawyers look for markets they can dominate, choosing niches and geographies with solid demand but manageable competition rather than jumping into oversaturated metro battles by default. Case-based content that walks through “this client, this problem, this solution, this outcome” is far more powerful than generic articles that could apply to anyone and no one at the same time. Prospects convert at a higher rate when they can see and hear the attorney: simple, honest video on an About page often beats polished but faceless branding. Social proof, including reviews, testimonials, and concrete case studies, is no longer optional; it’s the proof skeptical clients need before deciding you’re the right firm to trust. "I think the market research goes into identifying a pond you can dominate, rather than being a minnow in an ocean or fighting an 800-pound gorilla." —  Cooper Saunders Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Cooper Saunders: Cooper Saunders is the owner and founder of WiseGuys Digital Marketing, a Kansas City, Missouri-based agency specializing in SEO and Google Ads. Recognized as a business growth expert, he has authored three national bestselling books—including Quit Competing Start Dominating and Marketing Secrets of the Ultra Wealthy—and hosts The Growth Secrets Podcast. Under his leadership, WiseGuys Digital Marketing operates without year-long contracts and was named a Kansas City Chamber of Commerce Small Business Superstar for three consecutive years from 2021 through 2023. Connect with Cooper Saunders:  Website: https://wiseguysdm.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/coopersaunders/ Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  Fiona Stevenson: How Law Firms Can Win Clients in the First 2% of the Experience 18.06.2026 31分

  A potential client rarely picks up the phone to call a law firm on their best day—and how that first moment is handled can make or break the relationship. In this episode, you’ll learn how to turn branding, digital footprint, and intake into a consistent, human experience that wins trust and converts more of the right clients. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Fiona Stevenson discuss: Unreasonable hospitality and the “2%” difference Brand vs. marketing for law firms Defining mission, values, and ideal clients Consistent intake and first-impression systems Human connection vs. AI in client intake Key Takeaways: A law firm’s brand is defined less by its logo and more by what people say when the lawyers aren’t in the room. Clarity on mission, values, and the types of clients you do and do not want to serve should act as a north star for all marketing and client interactions. Consistency across every touchpoint (including your website, email, phone, live chat, and in-person conversations) is essential for building trust and a recognizable brand. The first phone call often happens on one of the worst days in a client’s life, so warmth, empathy, and active listening are non‑negotiable in intake. While AI can enhance efficiency behind the scenes, real humans at the end of the phone line remain critical to delivering the kind of experience that truly reflects a firm’s reputation. "Brand is what people are saying about you when you're not in the room. You might not have even spoken to that person, and they've already got a perception about what your brand is." —  Fiona Stevenson Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Fiona Stevenson: Fiona Stevenson is Associate Director of Marketing at LEX Reception. She brings 20 years of B2B marketing experience across SaaS, professional services, retail, and the public sector. Her particular interest is customer insights - she believes good marketing starts with an honest understanding of what buyers actually need. She writes about legal operations, client experience, and practical growth for law firms. Connect with Fiona Stevenson:  Website: https://www.lexreception.com/blog/author/fiona/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fionahstevenson/ Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  Sherry Mason: Ambition, Prestige, and Knowing When It’s Time to Leave Your Firm 15.06.2026 33分

  Stuck on the “wrong mountain” in your legal career but unsure what to do next? In this episode, career coach and former lawyer Sherry Mason breaks down how ambitious attorneys can separate prestige from true fulfillment, avoid burnout, and plan a smart, strategic exit instead of a panic-fueled leap. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Sherry Mason discuss: Ambition vs. prestige in legal careers Skills, situation, and identity as sources of dissatisfaction Burnout, autonomy, and control for lawyers How spending 20% of your time on aligned work drastically reduces burnout A five-step framework for planning a career transition Key Takeaways: Many high-achieving lawyers climb career “mountains” chosen for them by others, only to realize later that prestige alone doesn’t guarantee a fulfilling life. Career dissatisfaction typically stems from one of three areas (skills, situation, or identity) and it’s critical to understand which one is actually driving your unhappiness before you make a big move. Burnout often reflects a loss of autonomy and misalignment between daily work and personal values, not just long hours or compensation. Research suggests that if just 20% of your time is spent on the work that most lights you up, your risk of burnout can drop dramatically, even if the other 80% is less enjoyable. A thoughtful, stepwise approach of clarifying your criteria, forming hypotheses, testing them through conversations, reaching the right decision-makers, and weighing trade-offs can turn a vague urge to quit into a strategic, lower-risk transition. "You can do anything, but you can't do everything, and a lot of times we work on climbing to the top of a mountain, and sometimes it is a mountain that someone else has told us would be the right mountain for us to climb. " — Sherry Mason Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Sherry Mason: Sherry Mason is the founder and principal coach at Daymark Career Coaching, where she has been advising and guiding professionals through career transitions since 2005. Grounded in an 18-year background in higher education, her experience includes serving as the former Dean of Students at the University of Maine School of Law, as well as a decade working as a Career Coach and Pre-Law Advisor at Bowdoin College and Tufts University. She holds a B.A. in Geology and Geophysics from Yale University and a J.D., summa cum laude, from the University of Maine School of Law, where she graduated first in her class. Sherry brings a deeply multi-disciplinary approach to her practice, holding credentials as an Accredited Financial Counselor alongside specialized training in navigating transitions, public speaking, racial equity, and intergroup dialogue facilitation. Connect with Sherry Mason: Website: https://daymarkcareers.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sherryfm/ Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
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  Jimmy Lai: Turning LinkedIn into a Law Firm Growth Engine 11.06.2026 31分

  In this episode, you’ll hear how an immigrant entrepreneur leveraged authenticity, storytelling, and smart content strategy to turn a resume platform into a powerful engine for referrals, hiring, and personal brand. In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Jimmy Lai discuss: Using LinkedIn as an “Instagram” for lawyers and professionals Immigration journey, E-2 visa risk, and launching a law firm from scratch Clarifying goals on LinkedIn: clients, brand, or relationships Authenticity, lived experience, and personal storytelling in content Hooks, comments, and practical tactics to grow reach and engagement Key Takeaways: Treating LinkedIn as a place to learn, be entertained, and build real relationships can transform it from a static resume into a dynamic growth channel. Before posting, get crystal clear on whether your primary goal is client acquisition, personal branding, or relationship-building, and let that drive your strategy. Consistent content built around a few focused pillars and rooted in lived experience tends to outperform generic, “professional-only” posts. Engagement doesn’t start with posting; thoughtful, value-adding comments can be the safest and most effective way to warm up and build relationships. Sustainable business growth often requires letting go of the need to do everything yourself and delegating to capable people who can reliably handle 80% of the work. "My big mistake as an entrepreneur was thinking that I'm the best at everything, and I need to do everything myself… we didn't hit exponential growth until I was ready to let go." —  Jimmy Lai Check out my new show, Be That Lawyer Coaches Corner, and get the strategies I use with my clients to win more business and love your career again. Join the Be That Lawyer Community and connect with ambitious lawyers who are serious about growing their book of business, strengthening their brand, and becoming confident, consistent rainmakers. Ready to go from good to GOAT in your legal marketing game? Don’t miss PIMCON—where the brightest minds in professional services gather to share what really works. Lock in your spot now: https://www.pimcon.org/ Thank you to our Sponsor! LEX Reception: https://www.lexreception.com/partners/bethatlawyer Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/ Lawyer.com: https://www.lawyer.com/ Ready to grow your law practice without selling or chasing? Book your free 30-minute strategy session now—let's make this your breakout year: https://fretzin.com/ About Jimmy Lai: Drawing from a diverse, multicultural background and a multilingual K-12 education spanning Taiwan, the United States, Japan, Germany, and England, Jimmy has always possessed a global perspective. This unique background, combined with his experience as an international student, fueled his passion for immigration law and his desire to help others achieve the American Dream. After earning his undergraduate marketing degree from the University of Central Oklahoma—where he was honored as the sole recipient of the prestigious Top Central Man award—he went on to complete his JD/MBA at the University of Oklahoma in 2021. Rather than taking the conventional route of joining an established firm as a junior associate, Jimmy co-founded Lai & Turner Law Firm PLLC in 2022 alongside his close friend Braden Turner to "do law differently." As the firm's managing attorney, Jimmy has guided Lai & Turner through rapid growth, expanding its services from immigration to include estate planning, criminal defense, real estate, and personal injury, all while ensuring every client receives premier representation rooted in the firm's core values. Connect with Jimmy Lai:  Website: https://www.laiturnerlaw.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmylai-jdmba Connect with Steve Fretzin: LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin Twitter: @stevefretzin Instagram: @fretzinsteve Facebook: Fretzin, Inc. Website: Fretzin.com Email: Steve@Fretzin.com Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more! YouTube: Steve Fretzin Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.