Inquiry with Kelly Chase

Inquiry with Kelly Chase

Kelly Chase
Valsts Amerikas Savienotās Valstis
Valoda EN
Epizodes 64
Jaunākā 29.06.2026

Inquiry with Kelly Chase is an investigative podcast that explores how we know what we know, focusing on moments when official reality breaks down. Host Kelly Chase delves into psychological operations, ufology, psi phenomena, consciousness research, and anomalous experiences. The show argues that reality's misbehaviors often reveal deeper truths. It also archives Kelly's previous shows, Cosmosis and The UFO Rabbit Hole.

Epizodes

  • Starlight Sickness: Gaslighting, Consent Engineering, & How I Got Lost In Ufology's Hall of Mirrors 29.06.2026 1h 24min
    This episode began as an investigation into Sigmund Freud, Edward Bernays, propaganda, psychoanalysis, and the hidden machinery through which modern perception management came to be. But somewhere along the way, it became something much more personal. In Starlight Sickness, Kelly traces the strange lineage between Freud’s abandonment of the seduction theory, Bernays’s engineering of consent, and the ways power moves harm out of view by relocating it into the minds of the harmed. From the origins of modern public relations to the hall of mirrors inside ufology, this episode asks what happens when the tools we use to interpret reality also become the tools used to obscure it. How do we practice discernment without losing trust in our own perception? How do we make room for complexity without allowing complexity to become fog? And what does accountability look like when the story you were living inside begins to collapse? In light of recent allegations against her former best friend and creative partner Jay Christopher King, Kelly turns the same questions back on herself, beginning the process of untangling what happened, what she believed, what she may have gotten wrong, and what this community is owed now. This is an episode about gaslighting, trauma, consent engineering, ufology, and the terrifying difficulty of finding solid ground in a world built to manage perception. Topics explored: Sigmund Freud | Edward Bernays | propaganda | psychoanalysis | gaslighting | consent engineering | perception management | public relations | the unconscious | repression | seduction theory | the Oedipus complex | Jeffrey Masson | Freud Archives | Emma Eckstein | Wilhelm Fliess | institutional betrayal | therapeutic language | expert authority | trauma | memory | interpretation | accountability | narrative control | invisible government | torches of freedom | United Fruit Company | Guatemala coup | ufology | experiencer communities | anomalous experience | sexual trauma | abduction narratives | vulnerability and power | Jay Christopher King | The Experiencer Group | spiritual abuse | trust and betrayal | epistemic instability | discernment | reality testing | | truth and coherence | symbols and meaning | systems of control | manufactured consent | moral injury | the hall of mirrors Referenced in this Episode: Addressing the Allegations Against My Former Creative Partner, Jay Christopher King Starlight Sickness — Helico Tele Propaganda — Edward Bernays (1928) The Engineering of Consent — Edward Bernays (1947) The Aetiology of Hysteria — Sigmund Freud (1896) The Interpretation of Dreams — Sigmund Freud (1900) Three Essays on the Theory of Sexuality — Sigmund Freud (1905) The Assault on Truth: Freud’s Suppression of the Seduction Theory — Jeffrey Masson (1984) Sigmund Freud and the Jewish Mystical Tradition — David Bakan (1958) Trust Me, I’m Lying: Confessions of a Media Manipulator — Ryan Holiday (2012) I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell — Tucker Max (2006) Support The Show Patreon: inquirywithkellychase.comSubstack: inquirywithkellychase.substack.com Connect with Kelly Website: kellychase.mediaX: @kellychasemediaInstagram: @kellychasemedia TIMESTAMPS 05:27 Propaganda and The True Ruling Power 09:20 Freudian Ick10:58 Jeffrey Masson, Heretic 13:18 Sigmund Freud and The Source of the Nile 17:49 Wilhelm Fliess, A Passionate Friendship 19:55 Emma Eckstein and The Stronger Sex 22:06 A Little Sleight of Hand24:21 The Oedipus Complex and The Nucleus of Neuroses 32:02 The Baby and the Bathwater 33:21 Trust the Experts 34:44 You Can’t Do Anything With This Information 37:54 The Torches of Freedom 40:31 The Coup 43:11 A Koan 48:15 The Abstract Becomes Horrifyingly Personal 52:21 Responding to Jay Christopher King’s Statement 01:01:03 Fall 2023 01:05:21 The Epistemic Black Boxes of Ufology Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  • [Field Notes] Atheism Is the Opiate of the Masses: Probing The Blind Spots of Secular Certainty 12.06.2026 17min
    What if the worldview functioning as an opiate today is not religion, but its absence? In this field notes episode of Inquiry, Kelly Chase examines atheism not as a private belief or philosophical conclusion, but as a very recent mass cultural formation that now functions as the default worldview of educated Western society. Beginning with Marx’s famous claim that religion is the opiate of the masses, she asks whether modern secular materialism may now be serving a similar sedating function by making vast areas of human experience feel intellectually off-limits. From there, the episode turns toward elite metaphysics. The public is often told that materialism is the rational, mature, evidence-based position, yet many of the people and institutions shaping the future take seriously spirituality, consciousness, simulation theory, mysticism, ritual, and esoteric frameworks. The question is not whether any single belief system is true, but whether citizens trained to dismiss the symbolic and metaphysical have been given a map that cannot represent the terrain power is actually navigating. Finally, the episode considers the empirical and philosophical pressure points inside strict materialism: the hard problem of consciousness, near-death experience research, the PEAR Lab at Princeton, Dean Radin’s work at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, and anomalous findings that are usually met not with rigorous refutation but with studied disregard. These findings are not treated as proof of any particular metaphysics. They are treated as evidence that the question remains open, and that a genuine skeptic should apply suspicion not only to extraordinary claims, but to the dominant worldview that decides in advance which claims are allowed to count. Topics explored: Marx and religion | opiate of the masses | atheism as ideology | secularization | materialism | consciousness | the hard problem | non-material reality | elite belief | WEF and spirituality | Silicon Valley mysticism | simulation theory | René Girard | Peter Thiel | Elon Musk | Bohemian Grove | ritual and power | Skull and Bones | esotericism | operative metaphysics | near-death experiences | PEAR Lab | Dean Radin | anomalous cognition | mind-matter interaction | dogma and skepticism | worldview enforcement | social sanction | epistemic humility | the metaphysics of power Inquiry with Kelly Chase is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio.Produced in partnership with Voltage.fm.  Referenced In This Episode A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right — Karl Marx (1843/44) The Death of Christian Britain: Understanding Secularisation 1800–2000 — Callum G. Brown (2001) Religion’s Sudden Decline: What’s Causing It, and What Comes Next? — Ronald F. Inglehart (2021) The Role of Faith in Systemic Global Challenges — World Economic Forum Global Agenda Council on the Role of Faith (2016) Faith, the Internet and Improving the State of the World — World Economic Forum (2016) Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness — David J. Chalmers (1995) Near-Death Experience in Survivors of Cardiac Arrest: A Prospective Study in the Netherlands — Pim van Lommel et al. (2001) Margins of Reality: The Role of Consciousness in the Physical World — Robert G. Jahn & Brenda J. Dunne (1987) Experiments Testing Models of Mind-Matter Interaction — Dean Radin (2006) The Conscious Universe: The Scientific Truth of Psychic Phenomena — Dean Radin (1997) Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World — René Girard (1978) I See Satan Fall Like Lightning — René Girard (1999) Support The Show Patreon: inquirywithkellychase.com Substack: inquirywithkellychase.substack.com Connect with Kelly Website: kellychase.media X: @kellychasemedia Instagram: @kellychasemedia TIMESTAMPS 00:27 Braving Belief Talk 01:26 Atheism as Opiate 02:22 How New Secularism Is 04:21 Elites Aren't Secular 07:03 Materialism's Blind Spots 08:35 Anomalies and Dogma 10:01 Social Enforcement of Belief11:53 A Better Skepticism 12:37 Waking Up to Metaphysics Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  • The Weaponized Wound: Trauma, Belief Engineering & the Fatal Flaw in the Control Mechanism 03.06.2026 1h 5min
    Why do anomalous experiences so often arrive in the wake of trauma? And what happens when the people who understand that connection decide to use it as a weapon? This episode of Inquiry follows trauma as the hidden throughline connecting UFOs, consciousness, psychological operations, and the engineering of belief at scale. Kelly Chase starts with how human perception actually works, drawing on Donald Hoffman's "The Case Against Reality," James Madden's umwelt and über-umwelt from "Unidentified Flying Hyperobject," and Jeffrey Kripal's Filter Thesis, then grounds it all in the predictive processing model of the brain and Karl Friston's free energy principle. The picture that emerges is unsettling: trauma doesn't only wound a person, it makes them porous, loosening the filters that hold consensus reality in place. From there the conversation turns toward how that vulnerability has been exploited. It traces belief manipulation from the 1980 "From PSYOP to MindWar" paper by Michael Aquino and Paul Vallely, through MKULTRA and Operation Mockingbird, to the declassified reality of Operation Northwoods and the manufacturing of consent. It brings in Jacques Vallée's control system hypothesis and Colm Kelleher's concept of bidirectional mimicry to ask whether human institutions and the phenomenon itself may be using the same lever: disruption, destabilization, and the reshaping of belief in the rupture's aftermath. Then it turns the dread on its head. Research on openness to experience and Post-Traumatic Growth suggests the architects of mass stress made a critical miscalculation. Trauma creates openings, and openings go both ways. You can crack the shell of consensus reality to make people malleable, but you cannot control what hatches. Topics explored: Trauma and anomalous experience | experiencer patterns | the Filter Thesis | Donald Hoffman | perception as interface | umwelt and über-umwelt | James Madden | Jeffrey Kripal | predictive processing | Karl Friston | free energy principle | belief malleability | shattered assumptions | meaning violation | belief engineering | MindWar | Michael Aquino | Paul Vallely | psychological operations | MKULTRA | Operation Mockingbird | cognitive sovereignty | bidirectional mimicry | Colm Kelleher | black triangle craft | Jacques Vallée | control system hypothesis | Operation Northwoods | manufactured consent | openness to experience | Post-Traumatic Growth | consciousness-level immune response | non-human intelligence | contact experiences Inquiry with Kelly Chase is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio.Produced in partnership with Voltage.fm.  Referenced In This Episode The Case Against Reality: Why Evolution Hid the Truth from Our Eyes — Donald Hoffman (2019) Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World — James Madden (2023) How to Think Impossibly: About Souls, UFOs, Time, Belief, and Everything Else — Jeffrey J. Kripal (2024) The Flip: Epiphanies of Mind and the Future of Knowledge — Jeffrey J. Kripal (2019) "The Free-Energy Principle: A Unified Brain Theory?" — Karl Friston (2010) "Trauma or Drama: A Predictive Processing Perspective on the Continuum of Stress" — Valery Krupnik (2020) "Predictive Processing and the Varieties of Psychological Trauma" — Sam Wilkinson, Guy Dodgson & Kevin Meares (2017) "Assumptive Worlds and the Stress of Traumatic Events" — Ronnie Janoff-Bulman (1989) Shattered Assumptions: Towards a New Psychology of Trauma — Ronnie Janoff-Bulman (1992) "PTSD as Meaning Violation: Testing a Cognitive Worldview Perspective" — Crystal L. Park, Mary Alice Mills & Donald Edmondson (2012) "Making Sense of the Meaning Literature: An Integrative Review of Meaning Making and Its Effects on Adjustment to Stressful Life Events" — Crystal L. Park (2010) From PSYOP to MindWar: The Psychology of Victory — Paul E. Vallely & Michael Aquino (1980) MindWar: The New Battle for the Mind — Michael Aquino (2016) Project MKULTRA, the CIA's Program of Research in Behavioral Modification — U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (1977) MKULTRA Collection — CIA Reading Room Intelligence Activities and the Rights of Americans, Book II (Church Committee Report) — U.S. Senate (1976) Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba (Operation Northwoods) — Joint Chiefs of Staff (1962) "The Anxious State: Stress, Polarization, and Elections in America" — The Conversation (2025) "Politics Is Taking a Toll on People's Well-Being" — Psychology Today (2025) "Stressful Life Events and Openness to Experience: Relevance to Depression" — Chiappelli et al. (2021) "The Social Psychology of Responses to Trauma: Social Identity Pathways Associated with Divergent Traumatic Responses" — Orla Muldoon et al. (2019) "Posttraumatic Growth: Conceptual Foundations and Empirical Evidence" — Richard Tedeschi & Lawrence Calhoun (2004) "The Post-Traumatic Growth Approach to Psychological Trauma" — Richard Tedeschi (2023) "Confidence in U.S. Institutions Down; Average at New Low" — Gallup (2022) 2025 Edelman Trust Barometer — Edelman (2025) Support The Show Patreon: inquirywithkellychase.com Substack: inquirywithkellychase.substack.com Connect with Kelly Website: kellychase.media X: @kellychasemedia Instagram: @kellychasemedia TIMESTAMPS 04:12 Trauma and The Anomalous 07:01 Perception Is an Interface 11:05 Umwelt and Uber Umwelt 14:05 Kripal and Filter Thesis 18:27 Predictive Brain and Trauma 23:11 Belief Becomes Malleable 28:08 MindWar Doctrine 32:36 MKUltra and Mockingbird 36:58 Mimicry and Control System 42:17 False Flags and Consent 46:09 Algorithms as Trauma Engine 49:23 Openness and Growth 55:59 Consciousness Immune Response 57:18 Closing and Next Steps Learn more about your ad choices. 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  • Addressing the Allegations Against My Former Creative Partner, Jay Christopher King 30.04.2026 3min
    I recently received an email from an individual who said they wanted to share a concerning series of online interactions they had with my former creative partner, Jay Christopher King. This person shared that they are an experiencer who started a correspondence with Jay on Instagram after seeing him on Cosmosis. They allege that, in the course of this conversation where they also shared vulnerable details of their history, Jay crossed sexual boundaries and sent an explicit photo. Screenshots were shared with me in support of these claims. They said they were reaching out because they were concerned by the brazenness of this behavior, particularly given that Jay is a public figure. And given his role working with vulnerable people in The Experiencer Group, they were concerned that others might be at risk. I initially didn’t believe it. Jay is someone I have worked with very closely over the last three years. He’s been my business partner and my closest friend. We have spoken extensively about his work as the director of The Experience Group, and had many conversations—often initiated by him—about how vulnerable people can be when processing anomalous experiences, and how important it is to maintain clear boundaries and ethical standards. It is only because we’d had these conversations at length that I was ever comfortable recommending that people join The Experiencer Group. I did not think it was possible that the person I knew could have done something like this. But as someone who has been the victim of sexual assault that went unpunished, and as a woman in this community who has publicly endorsed Jay as someone safe, this was not something I could ignore. From the moment I first allowed for the possibility that this might be true to the time I was on the phone with a woman sharing another deeply distressing account involving Jay was just a few hours. I have since heard from multiple women who have described concerning behavior. These stories are not mine to tell. But I want to be clear about the nature of what has been reported to me: I have heard from multiple individuals who have described concerning experiences, including allegations of inappropriate sexual behavior involving Jay. Some of these accounts come from individuals who describe having approached him while seeking support for their anomalous experiences. I cannot independently verify these accounts, but given their seriousness, I felt it was important to take immediate action. I am taking the necessary steps to permanently sever all ties with Jay  The Cosmosis podcast, “Inquire Anomalous Presents” content, and any content featuring Jay has been permanently removed from all public feeds Production of Season 2 of Cosmosis has been permanently suspended At the time of this posting, I’m still not sure what’s going on with season 1 of the docuseries, but I will not be promoting it moving forward.  I am devastated and mortified to have to come to the community that has inspired, held, uplifted, supported, and, at times, truly saved me, and tell you this. This is my greatest nightmare, and I’m sitting with the heartbreak and complexity of having given my endorsement to Jay over these past few years. For that, I want to apologize to the entire community, and to the experiencer community, in particular.  I want to thank the person who reached out to me with the initial allegations. Your bravery and intuition broke a spell and helped a lot of people—including me. And thank you to the other brave women who have shared your stories with me in the interest of helping others. You all have my eternal gratitude. I am here for you, and you have my full support. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  • [Field Notes] Why Do Experiencers Have Visions of Apocalypse? Meaning, Memory, and Manipulation 27.04.2026 15min
    You're not hallucinating. This is a repost. This episode accidentally got deleted. New episodes of Inquiry are coming soon. Apocalyptic visions are one of the most persistent patterns in anomalous experience—and one of the least examined. Across abduction accounts, contact experiences, downloads, and altered states, experiencers consistently report visions of a coming cataclysm. The pattern holds across cultures, across centuries, and across radically different frameworks for understanding contact with non-human intelligence. And the prophecy never comes true. That doesn't make it meaningless. It might make it more significant. In this Field Notes episode, Kelly Chase lays out four theories for what these visions actually are—and what they're doing. Is this species-level PTSD, the trauma of civilizational collapses encoded in our collective psyche and mistaken for prediction? Are these translation artifacts—non-human intelligence reaching for the most legible human metaphor for an ontological rupture that has no literal equivalent? Is the phenomenon itself functioning as a control mechanism, using apocalyptic certainty to fragment, isolate, and neutralize experiencer communities at precisely the moments they begin to cohere? Or is something considerably more terrestrial at work? The apocalypse may not be coming. But understanding why so many people have been shown it—and who benefits from that vision—may be one of the most important questions in the field. Find the full transcript on my Substack. 🗒️ About Field Notes Field Notes are short-form episodes where Kelly thinks aloud—tracing patterns, chasing questions, and working through ideas that haven't yet reached their conclusion. The path of inquiry is messy and non-linear, and Field Notes is where that process lives out loud. For access to the full archive of written Field Notes, visit inquirywithkellychase.substack.com. Topics explored: Apocalyptic visions in anomalous experience | experiencer patterns | species-level trauma | collective unconscious | noosphere | Akashic record | ancestral memory | Younger Dryas | civilizational collapse | geological cataclysm | Jacques Vallée | Eric Davis | non-human intelligence communication | symbolic translation | ontological rupture | contact phenomenon | control mechanism | psychological operations | MKULTRA | Voice of God technology | anomalous cognition | experiencer communities | belief manipulation | abduction accounts | contactee testimony | field notes Inquiry with Kelly Chase is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio.Produced in partnership with Voltage.fm.  Referenced In This Episode Incommensurability, Orthodoxy, and the Physics of High Strangeness — Jacques Vallée & Eric Davis (2003) Support The Show Patreon: inquirywithkellychase.com Substack: inquirywithkellychase.substack.com Connect with Kelly Website: kellychase.media X: @kellychasemedia Instagram: @kellychasemedia Watch Season 1 of Comosis: UFOs & A New Reality Prime Video Tubi TIMESTAMPS00:47 Apocalyptic Visions and Anomalous Experiencet 02:31 Theory One: Ancestral Memory 04:20 Theory Two: Translation Artifacts 05:56 Theory Three: Control Mechanism 08:08 Theory Four: Human Interference 11:01 What the Pattern Reveals 12:05 Closing and Where to Follow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  • [Field Notes] What Happened in 2021? Analyzing A Hidden Wave of Consciousness Shifts 14.04.2026 19min
    Something shifted in 2021 — not just for Kelly, but for an unusual number of people all at once. In this Field Notes episode, she thinks aloud about a pattern she keeps running into: waves of consciousness-altering experiences that clustered around a single year, reported independently, with near-identical features and near-identical language. More than a few people, without any prompting, reached for the exact same phrase to describe what happened to them: a sleeper agent, activated. She traces the pattern outward — from veteran UFO researcher Stan Gordon's description of 2021 as the year "they opened all the cages at the Cryptid Zoo," to Edgar Mitchell's overview effect, to the measurable weakening of Earth's electromagnetic field and the approaching solar maximum — and keeps arriving at the same question: what changed? This episode doesn't offer a single answer, just a few working theories held together honestly and the growing sense that 2021 may have been a threshold rather than an anomaly. If you're a member of the anomalous class of 2021, this one's for you. Find the full transcript on my Substack. 🗒️ About Field Notes Field Notes are short-form episodes where Kelly thinks aloud—tracing patterns, chasing questions, and working through ideas that haven't yet reached their conclusion. The path of inquiry is messy and non-linear, and Field Notes is where that process lives out loud. For access to the full archive of written Field Notes, visit inquirywithkellychase.substack.com. Topics explored: Anomalous class of 2021 | consciousness shifts | sleeper agent activation | collective awakening | overview effect | Edgar Mitchell | space psychology | Earth's electromagnetic field | solar cycles | geomagnetic weakening | pandemic isolation | shared reality collapse | threshold events | hundredth monkey effect | cryptid surges | window areas | Stan Gordon | Kecksburg | high strangeness | collective observation | quantum mechanics and perception | reality porosity | precognitive dreams | non-human intelligence contact | experiencer testimony | field notes Inquiry with Kelly Chase is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. Produced in partnership with Voltage.fm.  Referenced In This Episode Here are the episodes where Kelly talks about her anomalous experience in 2021: Through The Looking Glass [Pt 1]: My Initiation Into The Anomalous Spotify Apple Podcasts YouTube Support The Show Patreon: inquirywithkellychase.com Substack: inquirywithkellychase.substack.com Connect with Kelly Website: kellychase.media X: @kellychasemedia Instagram: @kellychasemedia TIMESTAMPS 01:43 Sleeper Agent Pattern 03:37 Is 2021 a Wave 05:09 Kecksburg Turning Point 06:34 Threshold Consciousness Theory 09:01 Overview Effect Clues 10:40 Earth Field and Solar Cycles 12:43 Pandemic Isolation Theory 15:53 What It Means Going Forward Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  • Truth Crisis: The Deliberate Collapse of Shared Reality with Philosopher James Madden 07.04.2026 1h 6min
    Something has shifted dramatically in the last few years. The institutions and information structures we were trained to trust have failed in ways that are now difficult to ignore, producing a kind of generalized mistrust that makes it hard to think, hard to act, and hard to know what a good life even looks like anymore. In this episode, Kelly sits down with philosopher and author James Madden to examine what it means to navigate belief and meaning when the ground beneath shared reality has already given way. Jim is the author of Unidentified Flying Hyper-Object: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World and Thinking About Thinking: Mind and Meaning in the Era of Techno-Nihilism, the cohost of The Great Dangerous Books Podcast, and a longtime thinking partner whose refusal to offer easy answers has made him a favorite among listeners of Kelly's previous work. They talk about the complacent indifference that has settled over people in the wake of seemingly endless waves of institutional scandal and revelation. They talk about conspiracy thinking as a cognitive response to the collapse of trusted authority—and why the fact that some conspiracies turn out to be real makes the situation harder to navigate, not easier. They talk about why generalized epistemic mistrust is such an effective mechanism for preventing meaningful action. And they talk about what it means to keep trying to live well when you can no longer trust the information you would need to do it. Topics explored: epistemological collapse | conspiracy thinking as cognitive response | institutional trust failure | the "big other" | generalized skepticism as paralysis | information warfare | the psychology of indifference | epistemic mistrust and political action | radical self-reliance | faith and probability | living well under uncertainty | Žižek | Lacan | Plato's Republic Inquiry with Kelly Chase is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio.Produced in partnership with Voltage.fm.  Referenced In This Episode Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World, James Madden Thinking about Thinking: Mind and Meaning in the Era of Techno-Nihilism, James Madden Republic, Plato The Agnostic Inquirer: Revelation from a Philosophical Standpoint, Sandra Menssen & Thomas D. Sullivan Check Out James Madden's Podcast The Great Dangerous Books Podcast YouTube Spotify Apple Podcasts Support The Show Patreon: inquirywithkellychase.com Substack: inquirywithkellychase.substack.com Connect with Kelly Website: kellychase.media X: @kellychasemedia Instagram: @kellychasemedia TIMESTAMPS 04:50 Indifference and Partisan Filters 06:03 Frozen by Mistrust 07:41 Ontological vs Epistemic 09:33 Medical Trust Breakdown 13:13 Sheep Bandits Skepticism 18:23 Conspiracy Comfort Trap 22:07 Secrecy and Leaks 26:00 How Conspiracies Operate 28:32 Black Budgets Disinfo 30:57 UFO Skepticism In Principle 34:34 Portal Claims and Psyops 35:56 Trading Obscurity for Obscurity 38:43 Counting Humans Knowledge Limits 41:32 Good Life in Uncertainty 44:09 Moron Idiot Imbecile Framework 46:14 Radical Self Reliance and Trust 50:16 Skepticism Without Denial 55:29 Faith, Doubt, and Jesus 01:01:09 Keep Seeking Do Good 01:02:17 Credits and Where to Listen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  • [Field Notes] The Fake Alien Invasion: How An "Impending Threat" Can Be Used To Manufacture Consent 02.04.2026 15min
    Something has been building quietly in the UFO space for the past few years. The Overton window around non-human intelligence has shifted. Insider sources are whispering about a contact event in 2026 or 2027. And a very old theory—that a fake alien invasion could be engineered to manufacture consent—is surfacing again in places Kelly can no longer dismiss as fringe. In this Field Notes episode, she doesn't tell you what to believe. Instead, she runs the thought experiment: if someone were preparing the public for something, how would it unfold, and what would it accomplish? The scenario she constructed is fiction. The mechanisms it describes are not. Read the transcript on Substack. 🗒️ About Field Notes Field Notes are short-form episodes where Kelly thinks aloud—tracing patterns, chasing questions, and working through ideas that haven't yet reached their conclusion. The path of inquiry is messy and non-linear, and Field Notes is where that process lives out loud. For access to the full archive of written Field Notes, visit inquirywithkellychase.substack.com. Topics explored: Project Bluebeam | staged contact events | belief engineering | psychological operations | UFO disclosure narratives | epistemic collapse | information warfare | AI-assisted surveillance | blockchain identity systems | consent manufacturing | the Overton window | insider testimony | thought experiment as inquiry method Inquiry with Kelly Chase is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio.Produced in partnership with Voltage.fm.  Referenced In This Episode UFO Revolution: Season 2 Support The Show Patreon: inquirywithkellychase.com Substack: inquirywithkellychase.substack.com Connect with Kelly Website: kellychase.media X: @kellychasemedia Instagram: @kellychasemedia TIMESTAMPS 00:49 Patterns Behind The Post 01:28 Overton Window Shifts 01:59 Contact Dates And Grooming 02:27 Fake Invasion Narrative 04:23 Project Bluebeam Explained 05:56 Why Run The Thought Experiment 07:02 Scenario Begins The Sky Event 08:15 Reality Corruption And Babel 10:19 The Proposed Solution Clearinghouse 10:43 Verification Architecture And Control 11:49 Outro And Where To Follow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  • [Field Notes] The Question of Evil: The Secret Theology of Ufology's Elite 31.03.2026 13min
    After years immersed in the deep end of ufology, one question has proven impossible to shake: how is it that certain factions of the intelligence community—people who possess more evidence than most that consciousness survives death, that the soul is real, and that we are more than our physical bodies—so consistently engage in profound acts of moral evil? This Field Notes episode explores the contradiction at the heart of anomalous research: the same fundamental knowledge about non-material reality that tends to moralize everyday experiencers, deepening their compassion, ethical sensitivity, and sense of consequence, appears to have the opposite effect in certain institutionalized contexts. Why? And what does that divergence reveal? Kelly argues that the answer isn't hypocrisy, isn't power, and isn't institutional pressure alone. It's theology—not in the formal religious sense, but in the deeper sense: the set of assumptions a person holds about what is real, what matters, and what counts. Every action presupposes a theory of reality. And when someone is willing to deceive, coerce, and harm others in service of a greater purpose, that willingness is not an operational detail. It's a theological commitment. What kind of belief system allows someone to acknowledge the reality of the soul while treating human beings as expendable? What does it tell us about the UFO coverup that the people closest to the truth appear to have constructed a secret theology that quietly authorizes evil? This is one of the most important questions in ufology—and almost no one is asking it. Get the episode transcript on Substack. 🗒️ About Field Notes Field Notes are short-form episodes where Kelly thinks aloud—tracing patterns, chasing questions, and working through ideas that haven't yet reached their conclusion. The path of inquiry is messy and non-linear, and Field Notes is where that process lives out loud. For access to the full archive of written Field Notes, visit inquirywithkellychase.substack.com. Topics explored: UAP disclosure | consciousness and survival of death | anomalous experience research | intelligence community secrecy | moral philosophy | secret theology | FREE Foundation data | PSYOP doctrine | the ethics of the coverup Inquiry with Kelly Chase is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio.Produced in partnership with Voltage.fm.  Referenced In This Episode Beyond UFOs: The Science of Consciousness & Contact with Non Human Intelligence by Reinerio Hernandez J.D., Rudy Schild PH.D., Jon Klimo PH.D. Support The Show Patreon: inquirywithkellychase.com Substack: inquirywithkellychase.substack.com Connect with Kelly Website: kellychase.media X: @kellychasemedia Instagram: @kellychasemedia TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Welcome to Field Notes 00:48 The Question That Haunts Me 01:51 What Experiencers Report 04:09 The Intelligence Contradiction 04:48 Everything Is Theology 06:42 Belief Shapes Behavior 08:18 Why Knowledge Diverges 10:04 A Secret Theology of Ufology’s Elite 10:24 Closing and Credits Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  • How to Inquire: What UFOs & Anomalous Experience Can Teach Us About Epistemic Collapse 24.03.2026 50min
    The world feels like it's coming apart at the seams—and it's not your imagination. In the span of just a few months, the Epstein files have exposed elite networks of abuse that were mocked as conspiracy theory for years, the U.S. government has confirmed Havana Syndrome and openly acknowledged its directed energy weapons program, UFO disclosure has moved from fringe forums to executive directives, and AI has advanced to the point where visual evidence can no longer be trusted. Each of these stories is destabilizing on its own. Together, they produce something else entirely: a collective epistemic crisis. The shared map we've been using to navigate reality is disintegrating in real time—and almost nobody seems to know what to do next. In this inaugural episode, Kelly Chase introduces the premise of Inquiry: why the anomalous experience community—people who have spent years navigating the collapse of their own models of reality—may be the most prepared guides we have for this moment. She traces how knowledge is built, why it's more fragile than we're taught to believe, and what it actually means to ask better questions when the ground is shifting beneath your feet. Topics Covered epistemic collapse, UAP disclosure, the Epstein files, Havana Syndrome and directed energy weapons, AI and the crisis of evidence, anomalous experience, the philosophy of knowledge, and what it means to inquire honestly in a post-consensus world. Inquiry with Kelly Chase is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. Produced in partnership with Voltage.fm.  Referenced In This Episode Through The Looking Glass [Pt 1]: My Initiation in the Anomalous  Cosmosis: Origins Support The Show Patreon: inquirywithkellychase.com Substack: inquirywithkellychase.substack.com Connect with Kelly Website: kellychase.media X: @kellychasemedia Instagram: @kellychasemedia TIMESTAMPS 01:21 Epstein Files Shockwave 03:51 Directed Energy Revealed 05:52 UFO Disclosure Tease 06:53 AI and Epistemic Crisis 10:48 Why Everyone Feels Frozen 14:21 Cutting Through the Maze 16:23 Meet the Experiencers 19:51 My Worldview Breaks 23:07 What Happened in 2021 27:16 From UFOs to Inquiry 29:21 How Knowledge Is Built 35:12 Population Count Paradox 39:49 Experiencer Resilience 42:24 What This Show Will Do Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  • [The UFO Rabbit Hole] Through The Looking Glass [Pt 3]: Upsight & The Future of Human Consciousness 03.02.2026 1h
    Welcome back to The UFO Rabbit Hole.  Today we return to the old podcast stomping grounds for the long-awaited part 3 of the Through the Looking Glass Series. In this episode, we follow Tom Matte as he heads to the Institute of Noetic Sciences in search of answers about his strange psi ability that he calls Upsight. What the team of scientists, working on chief scientist Dean Radin, found once that got him the lab was nothing short of groundbreaking. Could this help Tom finally get the answers he’s looking for? And what does all of this imply about the future of human consciousness? Today we dive back into the deepest part of the rabbit hole to find out. REGISTER HERE to attend Kelly and Tom’s free online talk hosted by IONS this Friday, February 6th at 11 AM PST/2 PM EST If you aren’t caught up on parts and 1 & 2 of this series, you’ll want to start there. You can find the full episodes here: Through the Looking Glass [Pt 1]: My Initiation in the Anomalous Spotify  Apple Podcasts Through the Looking Glass [Pt 2]: The Strange Tale of Tom Matte & Upsight Spotify Apple Podcasts Referenced in this episode: Investigating the Brain Processes Underlying an Unusual Visual Experience: A Case Study The Institute of Noetic Sciences Tom Matte’s Website The 8 Stages of Upsight Vision [Free Download] Dave Rossi’s Interview on Jess Michel’s podcast, American Alchemy TIMESTAMPS01:34 Recap of Previous Episodes 02:31 Upcoming Live Event Announcement 03:19 Introduction to Tom Matte and Upsight 05:13 Tom's Journey to Scientific Validation 07:29 The IONS Study and Its Findings 11:24 Understanding Brainwave Patterns 20:27 Implications and Future Directions 26:16 Tom's Personal Upsight Readings 31:44 Exploring Non-Local Consciousness 33:11 Challenging Current Models of Reality 39:10 The Filter Hypothesis and Anomalous Experiences 46:03 Scientific Insights from Non-Human Intelligence 49:22 The Broader Pattern of Anomalous Experiences Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  • [The Great Dangerous Books Podcast] Jacques Vallée's 'Messengers of Deception' with Kelly Chase 11.08.2025 1h 10min
    Fan favorite, James Madden, has a brand new project with his brilliant co-host Jared Zimmerer called The Great Dangerous Books Podcast. Check out this episode to catch the vibe of the show, and if you like what you hear, be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.  Get Messengers of Deception by Jacques Vallée Subscribe to The Great Dangerous Books Podcast Spotify Apple Podcasts YouTube In this episode, Jim and Jared discuss the complexities of the UFO phenomenon with special guest Kelly Chase, focusing on Jacques Vallee's influential work 'Messengers of Deception.' They explore themes of manipulation, the unconscious, and the power of images in shaping belief systems. The conversation delves into the psychological impact of UFO experiences, the dangers of ontological shock, and the need for critical thinking in the field of ufology. Throughout, they emphasize the importance of self-awareness and the challenges of integrating extraordinary experiences into one's worldview. TIMESTAMPS 01:28 Introducing Kelly Chase and Her Work 03:09 Exploring Jacques Vallee's 'Messengers of Deception' 05:17 Vallee's Perspective on UFOs and Manipulation 09:47 The Reliability of Jacques Vallee 12:05 The Nature of Reality and Ideological Structures 15:04 The Impact of Ontological Shock 18:45 The Role of the Unconscious in UFO Phenomena 22:08 The Dangers of Manipulation and Belief Systems 27:44 Connecting Modernity and Public Manipulation 32:56 The Internet's Oppenheimer: Valet's Perspective 35:32 The Power of Images and Human Manipulation 39:57 Gnosticism and the Quest for Knowledge 44:05 The Nature of UFO Phenomena and Human Belief 47:35 The Intersection of Science and Mythology 52:11 Critical Inquiry and the Nature of Belief 55:32 The Joy of Inquiry and the Dangers of Ufology Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  • Gods, Ghosts, & UFOs 09.05.2025 1h 3min
    Today we’re sharing a special preview of a brand-new podcast called Gods, Ghosts, & UFOs—a show that explores the haunted edges of human experience, where the spiritual, the supernatural, and the anomalous collide. This preview episode is split into two parts. In the first half, Kelly joins hosts Jordan, Mallory, and Tom for an intimate and wide-ranging conversation about the cultural impact of the UFO phenomenon, the power of storytelling, and what it means to navigate a world where the boundaries of reality are breaking down. In the second half, enjoy another episode preview where the GGU team explores abductions, Sky Watcher’s “living taxonomy” of UAP, the James Webb telescope’s latest anomalies, and what it means to stay curious in a world fraying at the seams. If you love Cosmosis, you're going to find a lot to sink your teeth into here. 👉 Follow Gods, Ghosts, & UFOs here: GodsGhostsUFOs.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  • [Cosmosis] Ep 9: Daniel Elizondo on Narrative Control, The Secret Onion, and Vallée's Forbidden Science 25.04.2025 1h 8min
    In this episode, researcher and Loose Threads co-author Daniel Elizondo joins us for a far-reaching conversation about UFO secrecy, the architecture of disinformation, and the psychological terrain of the phenomenon itself. We dig into Jacques Vallée’s “Secret Onion”—a layered model of compartmentalization that explains how information is controlled and obscured within intelligence structures—and explore how narrative control operates both externally through infotainment and internally through belief, seduction, and epistemic vulnerability. Daniel breaks down the long history of rug pulls, the weaponization of mystery, and what it means to resist the gravitational pull of being “the one” to break the story. We also talk Forbidden Science, Skywatcher, and the invisible handshake between researchers and the phenomenon they seek to understand. If you’ve ever wondered who controls the narrative—or if you’re part of it—this episode is for you.📚 Resources and References Loose Threads by Daniel Elizondo and the Hermetic Penetrator Forbidden Science 6: Scattered Castles by Jacques Vallée UFOs: Past, Present, and Future by Robert Emenegger Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality:https://www.cosmosis.media/Join the Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismediaSubscribe to Cosmosis:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.PodcastSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479dApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow CosmosisX: https://x.com/cosmosis_mediaFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfrInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.mediaListen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQApple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS02:24 Sky Watcher and UFO Community Skepticism08:48 Historical Precedents in UFO Disclosure10:30 The Holloman Air Force Base Incident14:35 Challenges in UFO Disclosure and Infotainment21:45 Personal Experiences and Intelligence Community Interactions30:58 Navigating the Insider's Club and Forbidden Science33:08 The Repeated Revelations of Jacques Vallee35:25 The Evolution of the Invisible College39:57 The Secret Onion: Layers of Secrecy49:46 The Phenomenon and Human Curiosity56:57 The Control Mechanism: Micro and Macro Perspectives01:01:45 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  • [The UFO Rabbit Hole] The Final Episode: It's The End Of The World As We Know It 14.02.2025 49min
    All good things must come to an end. And this podcast, and the international community that has sprung up around it, has been a very good thing. It’s been one of the best things in my life. Which is why it’s hard to actually say the words that this episode will be the last episode of The UFO Rabbit Hole.  But before you panic—this isn’t the end. It’s just the beginning.Tune in to find out about the future of the podcast, and to say good-bye to The UFO Rabbit Hole.See Karl Nell's Sol TalkWatch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  • [The UFO Rabbit Hole] Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality Drops Today! 30.12.2024 2min
    The docuseries that I've spent the last year working on, Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality, drops today. It would mean the world to me if you would check it out. It's currently available in the U.S., Canada, Great Britain, and Australia. We're working on more international options, but it's an expensive and complicated process, so thank you for your patience and understanding as we work through that.  Watch Cosmosis on Apple TVWatch Cosmosis on Amazon PrimeWatch Cosmosis on YouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  • [The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 38: Through The Looking Glass [Pt 2]: The Strange Tale of Tom Matte & Upsight 24.12.2024 1h 25min
    In the long-awaited part two of the Through the Looking Glass series, host Kelly Chase is back to tell the bizarre story of the events following her anomalous experience from part one, and how a string of unlikely events brought her to the story of an experiencer with strange psi abilities named Tom Matte. Tom developed what he describes as an interactive holographic overlay on his reality which he calls Upsight in the aftermath of dramatic mental breakdown. More than a decade later, he is still seeking answers about Upsight which he says allows him to access non-local information in fascinating ways and even communicate with NHIs. After a string of unbelievable synchronicities, Kelly found that her story had become inextricably tied to Tom’s, leading her on a journey of inquiry about the nature of anomalous experiences, mental illness, addiction, and more. In this episode she dives deep into this strange tale and the insights and revelations that it spurred. ***************************** Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality Drops on Apple TV on December 30, 2024.Watch the Cosmosis Trailer ***************************** The Institute of Noetic SciencesLearn MoreDonate Follow Tom MatteJesus Goes To Hollywood: A Memoir of MadnessX/TwitterWebsiteMedium Mentioned in this EpisodeOlof RocknerIllustrations of Upsight by Olof Rockner Jaws Poster Greys Remote Viewing a Town Other Example Other Example Other Example Other Example Other Example Tom’s Paper About Dark Matter & Dark Energy Spiritual Emergency: When Personal Transformation Becomes a Crisis   BECOME A PATRONPatrons get lots of great perks like early and ad-free episodes, access to the private The UFO Rabbit Hole Discord server, and twice-monthly Patron Zoom calls with Kelly Chase.Memberships start at just $5/month.GET THE BOOKGet a SIGNED COPYGet it on AmazonFOLLOWWebsiteTwitterFacebook  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  • [The UFO Rabbit Hole] Interview with Kevin Lincoln on Beyond: UFOs and the Unknown 26.10.2024 36min
    Hey everyone! I just wanted to drop this quick bonus episode to let you guys know about another really exciting UFO docuseries coming out this Sunday, October 27th on MGM+ called Beyond: UFOs and the Unknown. This series from JJ Abrams’ production company Bad Robot features Whitley Strieber, Jeff Kripal, Garry Nolan, Leslie Kean, Chris Mellon, Jay Christopher King, Tim Gallaudet, Mitch Horowitz, and many more. And hey, guess what? I’m in it, too. It looks like it’s shaping up to be a fantastic show, and it is an absolute honor to be involved in this project next to so many people that I admire.  In this episode, I sat down with Co-Executive Producer, Kevin Lincoln to hear more about the show and about the process that he and his team went through to bring this to life. I’ve been very impressed with Kevin and his team and how far they were willing to go to chase this story down all the strange rabbit holes that you find on this path. Kevin is a very intelligent and extremely well-read guy, and this was a fun conversation that made me even more excited to watch the show.   —Kelly  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  • [The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep. 37: James Madden [Pt. 5]: The Death Drive & Disclosure 29.08.2024 52min
    In this episode of the UFO Rabbit Hole Podcast, host Kelly Chase returns from a hiatus with a brand new conversation with James Madden. The episode explores themes of psychoanalysis, epistemic vulnerability, and the psychological motivations behind belief systems in ufology. Together, Kelly and Jim ponder the deeper implications of mind control, trauma, and the symbolic nature of our cultural fascination with UFOs, aiming to navigate the complex landscape of human inquiry and understanding.BECOME A PATRONPatrons get lots of great perks like early and ad-free episodes, access to the private The UFO Rabbit Hole Discord server, and twice-monthly Patron Zoom calls with Kelly Chase.Memberships start at just $5/month.GET THE BOOKGet a SIGNED COPYGet it on AmazonFOLLOWWebsiteTwitterFacebook TIMESTAMPS00:00 Welcome Back to the UFO Rabbit Hole Podcast 01:02 Upcoming Documentary and Personal Transformation 02:27 A New Direction for the Podcast 02:44 Conversation with Dr. James Madden 04:35 Dr. Madden's Recent Work and Psychoanalysis 06:36 Freudian Insights and Human Motivation 10:37 Epistemic Vulnerability and Belief Systems 15:07 Challenges in Ufology and Disclosure 22:20 Language, Belief, and Mind Control 25:41 Reflecting on Personal Beliefs 26:26 Freud's Death Drive and Trauma Reenactment 29:52 The Addictive Nature of Unfulfilled Promises 31:08 Comparing Ufology to Sports Fandom 33:18 Personal Struggles and Finding Meaning in Danger 35:21 Cultural and Political Outrage Cycles 40:28 Symbolism in Dreams and Collective Psyche 44:29 The Unending Human Project and Self-Destruction 46:29 Concluding Thoughts and Gratitude Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
  • [The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 36: An Interview with Bernardo Kastrup: UFOs, Ultraterrestrials, and Meaning In Absurdity 14.03.2024 1h 10min
    In today’s episode, I had the absolute honor of speaking with one of my personal intellectual heroes, Bernardo Kastrup. Bernardo Kastrup is the executive director of the Essentia Foundation. His work has been leading the modern renaissance of metaphysical idealism, the notion that reality is essentially mental. He has a Ph.D. in philosophy (with a focus in ontology and philosophy of mind) and another Ph.D. in computer engineering (with a focus in reconfigurable computing and artificial intelligence). As a scientist, Bernardo has worked for the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) and the Philips Research Laboratories (where the 'Casimir Effect' of Quantum Field Theory was discovered). He has also had a 25-year career in high-technology, having co-founded parallel processing company Silicon Hive (which was acquired by Intel in 2011). Bernardo Kastrup is also the author of 11 books. I basically have an entire Kastrup shelf inmy office. His book, “Meaning In Absurdity: What Bizarre Phenomena Can Tell Us About the Nature of Reality” is, in my opinion, one of the most important books written on the UFO phenomenon. I can’t recommend it highly enough. Just a heads up before we begin—if you aren’t familiar with Kastrup’s thinking on analytic idealism, the first part of this interview might be a little challenging. If you stick it out, I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised at how elegantly analytic idealism deals with some of the more mysterious aspects of the anomalous phenomena. If you’d like to learn more about analytic idealism, there are some great resources and videos that can walk you through it step-by-step. [Links in episode brief.]NEW Class from Dr. James MaddenUnidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the WorldFour-week online class via ZoomWednesdays, March 27 – April 24 (skips April 10), 20247 – 9 pm ETLearn More About the ClassSign Up NowEPISODE BRIEF[Links to videos on Analytic Idealism in Episode Brief]BECOME A PATRONPatrons get lots of great perks like early and ad-free episodes, access to the private The UFO Rabbit Hole Discord server, and twice-monthly Patron Zoom calls with Kelly Chase.Memberships start at just $5/month.GET THE BOOKGet a SIGNED COPYGet it on AmazonFOLLOWWebsiteTwitterFacebookTIMESTAMP00:00:30 Introduction00:04:35 How working with artificial neural networks at CERN led Bernardo to break with physicalism00:07:12 The difference between intelligence and consciousness00:08:36 Analytic idealism00:12:26 How does analytic idealism relate to the ideas of Donald Hoffman?00:14:38 If the world is mental, why doesn’t it behave like a dream?00:17:23 Bernardo’s UFO experience00:19:37 How UFOs repel our attention00:23:02 Memory and UFOs00:25:46 UFOs and analytic idealism00:30:09 Logic and finding meaning in absurdity00:35:11 The “call of the absurd” and the control mechanism00:39:27 How marketing and propaganda hijack the control mechanism00:42:47 Are “nuts and bolts” UAPs and high strangeness UFO encounters the same phenomenon?00:48:44 Bernardo’s ultraterrestrial hypothesis00:58:37 The rise of AI, NHIs, and the coming consciousness shiftBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-ufo-rabbit-hole-podcast--5746035/support. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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