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  Joe Williams, being. with Lael Stone | The Hardest Mirror to Hold ♥︎ 09.08.2026 1ч 2мин

  Joe Williams told me that looking honestly at yourself can be a brutal thing, and then in the same breath he called it the best mirror we can ever hold, because that’s where generational change actually starts.Joe and I were on the road together for nearly a month touring the doco ‘Seen’, so I got to watch him sit in front of audiences again and again and tell the truth about being a dad. There’s a line of his in the film that gets me every time: that he has to put his hand up, that it haunts him, that there are many years he can't get back.What I’ve watched him do with that grief is not turn away from it. He gave his kids full permission to say whatever they needed to say in their own interviews, then listened to the whole recording alone in a hotel room in upstate New York the night before a keynote, because he knew he couldn't carry it onto a stage.We talk about the stories we think define us and who actually gets to define them, about getting sober twenty-one years ago and why he says culture keeps him sober.We explore:Who gets to define us, and how differently Joe defines himself now compared with almost everyone he’s ever metSitting in lockdown and realising he’d been a father to five kids without being a dad to any of themWhy he now believes a stack of his success came from a place of screaming to be noticedCountry as medicine, the drives out the road not knowing whether he would come backDreaming stories as instructions for living rather than pretty picture books on a shelf[Recorded Online May 2026]About Joe Williams:Joe is a Wiradjuri and Wolgalu man, born in Cowra and raised in Wagga Wagga. He played in the National Rugby League for South Sydney, Penrith and Canterbury before switching to professional boxing in 2009, where he became a two-time WBF World Junior Welterweight champion and won a WBC Asia continental title.Connect with Joe:Website: joewilliams.com.auInstagram: @joewilliams_tewSpeaking: The Enemy WithinBook: Defying the Enemy Within—Connect with Humans, being:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneHumans, being. is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.—Seen Circles is an online space Lael and Sam created where parents can join facilitated group sessions, some themed, some open, at times that suit their week. There's no pressure to share, just a place to feel less alone in the hard parts of parenting. You can join for one session, or sign up for more.
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  Dr Edna Lekgabe, being. with Lael Stone | The Gold on the Other Side ♥︎ 02.08.2026 1ч 14мин

  Dr Edna Lekgabe has a name for what happens when a woman becomes a mother. She calls it matrescence, basically puberty 2.0: messy, hormonal, profound, and almost completely unnamed.Edna’s a Melbourne perinatal psychiatrist whom I have so much respect for. We talk about the developmental earthquake none of us are warned about.I became a mum at 25 with no idea what was happening to me… the brain rewiring, the threat system switching on. We discuss what happens when birth trauma and matrescence collide, why accepting care is so much harder than giving it. We talked about how the same threat system that protects a newborn also sharpens a mother's boundaries, and get into perimenopause and menopause, and ‘the gold’ Edna says is waiting on the other side. She wants every woman to have a buddy a few steps ahead and behind her, the same way kids get one on their first day of school.We explore:What matrescence is, and why Edna calls it "puberty 2.0" for the brain and bodyThe support networks that help mothers to thriveWhat's waiting on the other side of perimenopause and menopause, and nature's amazing designDr Edna says the real task of matrescence is learning to accept care. I think about the version of me who once whispered "I don't like this" down the phone to my own mum, and what it would have meant to have a name for it. Whatever quake you're bracing for, I hope this conversation hands you some of that language too.[Recorded May 2026]About Dr Edna Lekgabe:Dr Edna Lekgabe is a perinatal and reproductive psychiatrist based in Melbourne, and founder and clinical director of WARM Health Collective, a psychiatrist-led practice in Collingwood supporting people through pregnancy, birth and early parenthood. She also holds a consultant role at The Royal Women's Hospital and sits on Safer Care Victoria's Consultative Council on Obstetric and Paediatric Mortality and Morbidity.Connect with Edna:Instagram: @drednalekgabeWebsite: drednalekgabe.com.auWARM Health Collective: warmhealthcollective.com.au—Connect with Humans, being:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneHumans, being. is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.—Seen Circles is an online space Lael and Sam created where parents can join facilitated group sessions, some themed, some open, at times that suit their week. There's no pressure to share, just a place to feel less alone in the hard parts of parenting. You can join for one session, or sign up for more.
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  Bec Sparrow, being. with Lael Stone | The Friends Who Hold You ♥︎ 26.07.2026 1ч 10мин

  Friendship, Bec Sparrow says, is a bumper bar on your life. It doesn't stop the hard things from happening – it cushions the impact when they do.Bec is one of Australia's most trusted voices on teen and tween life - author of seven books, co-host of ABC's Parental as Anything with Maggie Dent, co-founder of Birds of a Feather (Australia's largest online book club for women), and a woman who has spent more than twenty years studying the science and art of friendship. She is also, by her own admission, a deeply introverted person who has had to consciously learn every single skill she teaches.We explore:The sense of calling she has carried since her teenage years, and what it actually feels like to be doing the work you're here to doThe pilot light – what Bec says to every parent who is deep in the season of small children and losing themselvesWhy Bec models friendship differently now, including the concept of "deep casual hosting" and having people over even when your house is a mess.The power of apologising and owning your impact when friendships get messyWhy your kids need friends inside school AND outside school – and why having both matters so much when things go sidewaysJOT: Join One Thing – Bec's campaign to combat loneliness, and why she believes there are friendships waiting for all of us if we're willing to walk in the door[Recorded Online April 2026]About Bec Sparrow:Rebecca (Bec) Sparrow is one of Australia's most trusted voices on teen and tween life. She's the author of seven books spanning fiction and non-fiction, including the bestselling novel The Girl Most Likely and the teen guide Find Your Tribe. Her most recent book, Out of the Box: A one-stop guide to navigating neurodivergence, was co-authored with journalist Madonna King and published by UQP in 2024. She co-hosts the ABC podcast Parental as Anything: Teens with Maggie Dent, and co-founded Birds of a Feather Book Club - billed as Australia's largest online book club for women - with Jane Sullivan.Connect with Bec:Website: rebeccasparrow.com – including a free friendship resources offer: if you're struggling and can't afford her paid resources, email hello@rebeccasparrow.com and mention this podcast. She will send you what you need.Instagram: @rebeccasparrow72Facebook: Rebecca Sparrow WriterBook club: birdsofafeather.com.auBook: Out of the Box (UQP, 2024) with Madonna KingPodcast: Parental as Anything: Teens (ABC)—Connect with Humans, being:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneHumans, being. is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.
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  Dr Hannah Gould, being. with Lael Stone | Death Is Not an Emergency ♥︎ 19.07.2026 1ч 7мин

  I started this episode thinking about endings, the ones I'm walking towards in my own life right now, and somehow that musing turned into one of the most life-affirming, funniest conversations about death I have ever had.I’ve spent years sitting with families through birth, and I’ve always felt that birth and death are close cousins, both thresholds, both asking something of us we rarely feel ready for. So when Dr Hannah Gould, cultural anthropologist, death studies scholar and author of How to Die in the 21st Century, sat down across from me, it felt like coming home to a conversation I’ve wanted to have for a long time.We explore:Why most of us have never been modelled a healthy ending, and what that does to our relationship with deathThe coffin catalogue moment that sent Hannah down the path to a PhD in death studies, after losing her dad in her early twentiesThe "pornography of death" theory, and why we have sex education but no death educationWhat voluntary assisted dying actually involves, and the genuinely thorny open question of VAD and dementiaThe hidden toll on death care workers, and why Hannah believes the crematorium operator she worked alongside deserves Australian of the Year (Shoutout, Shane)What a glorious death looks like, for a woman who has spent her career studying exactly thatHannah left me with so much to sit with, but the thing I keep coming back to is how unafraid she is to laugh about all of it. I love how she puts it: "we're all going to die, so don't really sweat the small stuff." [Recorded May 2026]About Dr Hannah Gould:Dr Hannah Gould is a cultural anthropologist at the University of Melbourne, where she studies death, Buddhism and material culture across Australia and East Asia, and a Fellow with the DeathTech Research Team. Her academic monograph, When Death Falls Apart (University of Chicago Press), won the 2025 F. Hilary Conroy First Book Prize, and her latest book, How to Die in the 21st Century (Thames and Hudson), brings a decade of research on death and dying to a general readership. She is also President of the Australian Death Studies Society.Connect with Dr Hannah:Website: hannahgould.comInstagram: @hrhgouldMentioned: @thelasthurrahfunerals—Connect with Humans, being:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneFacebook: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneThreads: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneTikTok: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneYouTube: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneHumans, being. is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.
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  Teresa Palmer, being. with Lael Stone | Born for the Role ♥︎ 12.07.2026 1ч 7мин

  Teresa Palmer has five children, a two-decade film career, a podcast, a supplement brand, and at the time of recording, she was filming God of War in Vancouver - playing the goddess of fertility, which feels exactly right. Through all of it, she’s doing the same quiet work the rest of us are: healing the little parts of herself that didn't get what they needed, so she can show up with her heart forward for the people she loves most.In this chat, we talk about birth and all its complexities, we talk about parts work and reparenting, and what it takes to meet your children's big feelings when your own inner child is still waiting to be seen. And we talk about spirituality - how Teresa moved from thirteen years of Catholic school to building her own quiet relationship with something she cannot name, but absolutely feels.We explore:The story Teresa told herself for twelve years about not needing help - and what finally shifted at 40How reading Ina May Gaskin's Spiritual Midwifery changed everythingThe surprising parallel between surrendering in birth and surrendering on a film setParts work - how Teresa tends to the younger versions of herself that still need nurturingTeresa says something so beautiful… that home "is each other. Not a place, not a house in Byron Bay or Vancouver or Adelaide. Each other". Teresa reminded me that what shapes us most is who we keep choosing to come home to.[Recorded Online May 2026]About Teresa Palmer:Teresa Palmer is an Adelaide-born actress, author, wellness entrepreneur and mama of five (plus bonus mum to one more). She co-hosts The Mother Daze podcast with Sarah Wright Olsen and co-founded the parenting platform Your Zen Mama. She also runs Lovewell, an organic plant-based supplement brand for mothers and children.Connect with Teresa:Instagram: @teresapalmerInstagram & YouTube: @themotherdazeMark's YouTube: @markfromtheheart—Connect with Humans, being:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneFacebook: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneThreads: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneTikTok: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneYouTube: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneHumans, being. is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.
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  Luke Bateman, being. with Lael Stone | The Book He Kept Hidden ♥︎ 05.07.2026 1ч 4мин

  This episode starts with dreaming and ends with dreaming - and in between, Luke Bateman takes us through everything that happens when you stop letting yourself do it.Luke played professional rugby league for the Canberra Raiders - 71 first-grade games, thousands of hours of training camps and hotel rooms and locker rooms - and in almost all of that time, he kept his love of fantasy fiction completely hidden. The shame of it, he says, was shaped by a very specific idea of what it meant to be a man. And unpacking that idea has been the work of the last several years.His whole life, it turns out, has been a dreamer's journey. He just had to go through a lot to get back to it.We explore:The specific culture of professional rugby league and what it meant for his sense of self, his gambling addiction, and his mental healthThe inner child and parts work that was central to his recovery - including making peace with the version of himself he'd been most ashamed ofWhat it means to call men in, rather than calling them outThe men who went silent during his crisis, and what that silence told him about being a man.His two favourite books - and the one that brought him home to himself after rehab[Recorded Online April 2026]Need help with gambling?Call the National Gambling Helpline on 1800 858 858 for free, professional and confidential support 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.About Luke Bateman:Luke Bateman grew up in Miles, western Queensland, where rugby league was the dominant culture. He played 71 NRL first-grade games as a lock for the Canberra Raiders before a chronic knee injury ended his career at 24. After leaving the game, he returned to rural Queensland, began posting book reviews to TikTok from a tractor in 2025, and within months had signed a two-book fantasy series deal with Atria Books Australia (Simon & Schuster). He now hosts his own podcast, In the Good Books, appeared on I'm A Celebrity Australia in early 2026, and is writing his debut fantasy novel, due in 2027.Connect with Luke:Instagram: @lukebateman_TikTok: @lukesreadsPodcast: In the Good Books on Spotify and on Apple Podcasts—Connect with Humans, being:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneFacebook: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneThreads: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneTikTok: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneYouTube: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneHumans, being. is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.
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  Missy Higgins, being. with Lael Stone | The Songs That Hold Us ♥︎ 28.06.2026 1ч 7мин

  There's something about a Missy Higgins song that lands in your chest before you've even registered the words. Somehow, she gets to the feeling first - the part of you that you haven't quite found language for yet.Missy's music has been part of the soundtrack to my life for over twenty years, especially in my mothering years. So sitting across from her, I was a little bit in awe. Missy’s so generous in her honesty about the hard stuff: the writer's block that made her question her whole identity, the divorce that undid the story she thought her life would tell, the ADHD diagnosis that reframed so much of her past, and the slow, deliberate work of learning to live in her body rather than just her head.We also talk about parenting two neurodiverse kids while navigating your own neurodiversity, the strange alchemy of songwriting (expression first, connection second), and what it feels like to fall in love again in your forties when you finally know what you actually need.We explore:The gift of neurodiverse children when you're still learning about your own neurodiversityWhy she started seeing a therapist to help her get out of her head and back into her bodyWhat she hopes her kids carry with them: that they're okay, and that they are worthy of loveRepartnering after divorce - what it means to finally want a partner rather than a projectMissy left me thinking about the stories we carry about ourselves - the ones that keep turning up, the ones we think we've put down for good.[Recorded May 2026]About Missy Higgins:Missy Higgins is a Melbourne-born singer-songwriter whose career spans more than two decades and four consecutive-decade ARIA No. 1 albums. Her debut album, The Sound of White (2004), became one of the best-selling Australian albums of its era, and by 2024 she had accumulated nine ARIA Awards and was inducted into the ARIA Hall of Fame. Her most recent album, The Second Act, was written in the aftermath of her divorce - largely alone, at night, once the kids were asleep - and debuted at No. 1 on the ARIA chart in 2024.Connect with Missy:Website: missyhiggins.comInstagram: @missyhigginsmusic—Connect with Humans, being:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneFacebook: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneThreads: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneTikTok: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneYouTube: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneHumans, being. is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.
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  Amantha Imber, being. with Lael Stone | How we A.I. ♥︎ 17.05.2026 1ч 11мин

  Amantha calls her AI 'Sunny'. She talks to it on the drive to the gym, like she's chatting to a friend. And it has quietly changed how she works, how she writes, and how she gets the thinking out of her own head.Dr. Amantha Imber is one of the sharpest, most generous humans I know. An organisational psychologist, the founder of Inventium, host of How I Work, the first Australian to win a Thinkers50 Innovation Award, the author of four bestselling books, and her brand new one, The Energy Game, lands in July.In this episode, we discuss Amantha's burnout year and the tiny experiments that crawled her back, the ones she calls boosts, rest, and protect. Why "fake rest" (Netflix while you scroll) won't fill the bucket. And we talk about the childhood praise imprint that drives so many of us: what if the goal isn't to be more, but to be okay with being ordinary?We explore:The pressure we accept being human and thinking we must do it allThe hit-by-a-bus fantasy and what it tells us about how women carry stressAI as a thought partner, and how Amantha uses it without losing the human bitWhat we want for our daughters, and the thinking skills we don't want to outsource[Recorded January 2026]About Amantha Imber:Dr. Amantha Imber is an organisational psychologist and the founder of Inventium, a behaviour-change consultancy that works with companies including Google, Apple and Lego. She also runs Inventium AI, focused on AI capability building inside organisations. Amantha hosts the How I Work podcast (over 6 million downloads) and recently launched a new podcast, How I AI. She is the first Australian to win a Thinkers50 Innovation Award and is the author of four bestselling books, including Time Wise and The Health Habit. Her new book, The Energy Game, is out on 7 July 2026.Connect with Amantha:Instagram: @amanthaiInventium: inventium.com.auNewsletter: One Percent BetterPodcasts: How I Work, How I AIBook: The Energy Game (out 7 July 2026)—Connect with Humans, being™:Web: humansbeing.auYouTube: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneAustralia’s Kindest Person:Australia’s Kindest Person is a national campaign created to help shine a light on the people whose kindness has made a real difference in the lives of others. To nominate someone, please visit:australiaskindestperson.com.auHumans, being™ is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.
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  Indi and Tali Gaal, being. with Lael Stone | Family Dynamics ♥︎ 10.05.2026 1ч 9мин

  The question I get asked the most by parents is, "Does this work?" So this week I sat down with two of the people most qualified to answer it.For the better part of two decades, I have been teaching parents to parent differently. To skip the punishments and the rewards. To look behind the behaviour. To make space for big feelings instead of shutting them down. And the whole time, in the back of my mind, has been the quiet question every parent asks themselves... am I getting this right? My answer was always going to come from my kids. So this episode, I'm joined by two of them, Indi (22) and Tali (18), and we are talking honestly about what it was like growing up in our house. The mistakes I made. The chocolate I tried to bribe Tali with when I was tapped out. The 4am phone call that taught all of us what safe really means. The big feelings that were always welcome, even when I had nothing left.This is not a polished retrospective. It's messy and tender, the way our family is. We talk about staying true to yourself in a world that wants you to conform, what social media is doing to young people, why the friends pushing the boat hardest are the ones hurting most, and the little life skills that come from a house where no topic is off limits. It's also a love letter from a mum to her children who turned up, told the truth, and did not throw me too far under the bus.We explore:Why looking behind the behaviour beats grounding every timeWhat it actually looks like to repair when you have lost it as a parentStaying true to yourself when society and social media are pulling the other wayTherapy, aunties, and the village every kid needs around themLooking at the so-called "bad kid" and asking what is hurting[Recorded January 2026]About Indi and Tali Gaal:Indi is 22, and Tali is 18. They are Lael and Mike's kids, siblings to Ky (25), and the people Lael calls her best work. Both have spent time working with young children and bring that lens, plus their own lived experience of being raised the way they were, into this conversation.—Connect with Humans, being™:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneFacebook: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneTikTok: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneYouTube: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneAustralia’s Kindest Person:Australia’s Kindest Person is a national campaign created to help shine a light on the people whose kindness has made a real difference in the lives of others. To nominate someone, please visit:australiaskindestperson.com.auHumans, being™ is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.
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  Gorgi Coghlan, being. with Lael Stone | Speaking Our Needs ♥︎ 03.05.2026 1ч 17мин

  There's a version of strength the world rewards – capable, tireless, always fine. And then there's the cost.Gorgi Coghlan is someone I've adored from the moment we met. She's formidable, warm, wildly accomplished, and the kind of person who makes you feel seen immediately.We talk about the imprints that drive us – the little girl who worked hard to be seen by a father whose love came through providing, not presence.We explore:The hidden cost of being "the strong one"Internal vs external boundaries - why protecting your own cup is the whole point, not the selfish partReconciling with a parent before it's too late, and what it means to carry that love with youHighly sensitive people: the superpower of reading the room, the cost of being depleted by it, and why Gorgi thinks HSP will be our next big cultural conversation"I haven't even begun." Gorgi's mantra at 50, and why she went back to drama school, just because she couldGorgi talks about who's advocating for her. Here is this extraordinary woman – accomplished, giving, deeply loved – and she still needs to hear herself say it out loud. YES. You are allowed to need something. You are allowed to ask for it. Even if – especially if – you've spent a long time being the one who doesn't.[Recorded January 2026]About Gorgi Coghlan:Gorgi Coghlan is a former Year 12 science and biology teacher turned broadcaster, presenter, and performer. She spent over a decade as co-host of The Project and The Circle on Channel Ten, and as a reporter and presenter on the Today Show on Channel Nine. An extraordinary singer, Gorgi performs live with her friend in their show Songbird – and is also now a voice on ABC Radio. She runs a hospitality business with her husband Simon, and is a devoted mum to her teenage daughter Molly.Connect with Gorgi:Instagram: @gorgicoghlanBiz: The Buninyong HotelSongbirds: Theatre Royal, Hobart, Jul 5. Tickets—Connect with Humans, being™:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneFacebook: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneTikTok: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneYouTube: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneAustralia’s Kindest Person:Australia’s Kindest Person is a national campaign created to help shine a light on the people whose kindness has made a real difference in the lives of others. To nominate someone, please visit:australiaskindestperson.com.auHumans, being™ is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.
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  Lael Stone, being. | Relationships and Growing Together ♥︎ 26.04.2026 45мин

  "What am I making this mean?" That question might change how you move through conflict with your partner. Because the real work isn't making your partner wrong…it's getting curious about yourself.I wanted to talk about what makes relationships tricky and what makes them actually work, and in this episode, I share my own story; how I went from completely collapsing whenever Mike got upset, to finally learning how to hold my centre. How we survived the brutal early parenting years when we were both drowning and how post-traumatic stress cracked me open and forced me to do the real work. Over many years of working with families, I have learned that you can't make your partner do the work. All you can do is do your own, and trust that something shifts when you stop waiting for them to change and start looking at what's yours to heal.I explore:Why we unconsciously choose partners who mirror our childhood woundsHow attachment styles (anxious, avoidant, disorganised, secure) show up in your intimate relationshipThe power of asking "what am I making this mean?" when you're triggeredWhat it feels like when your childhood wounds meet your partner's defencesThe three paths your relationship can take when one person is doing the work and the other isn'tHow coming home to yourself is the greatest gift you can give your relationship and your kidsI keep coming back to the people in relationships right now who are absolutely exhausted. Those who are doing the work, holding the space, trying to communicate better. And I want to say this… the fact that you're asking "what's here for me?" instead of "what's wrong with them?" means you're already transforming your relationship. Maybe not with your partner yet, but definitely with yourself.[Recorded Online November 2025]About Lael Stone:Lael Stone is an educator, counsellor, and author of Own Your Story: Understanding your past to create your future. With over 20 years of experience working with families, Lael helps people understand how their childhood imprints shape their adult lives – and how to do something about it.Connect with Lael:Instagram: @laelstoneWebsite: laelstone.com.au—Connect with Humans, being™:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneFacebook: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneTikTok: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneYouTube: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneHumans, being™ is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.
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  Dr Emily Musgrove, being. with Lael Stone | The Safety of Staying Stuck ♥︎ 19.04.2026 1ч 1мин

  There's a strange kind of comfort in staying exactly where you are – even when that is hurting you. In this episode, I’m talking with clinical psychologist Dr Emily Musgrove, and we discuss why the familiar feels safe even when it isn't, and what it actually takes to find our way back to ourselves.An imprint I have - from watching the busy women in my family – was that if you're not doing three things at once, you're lazy. That's the thread Emily and I pulled on together. We both grew up watching women just go, go, go – and then spent years unravelling what that cost us. Emily talks about returning from holiday and instantly flipping into doing mode. I talk about the moment I realised my anxiety was actually working for me - keeping me safe from being seen.Her book Unstuck grew from that reckoning. We talk about secondary gains (the hidden payoff in staying the same), the concept of the near enemy of kindness, what perimenopause might really be releasing in us as women, and the childhood imprints that shape who we become – and who we pass that on to.We explore:How to start building compassion when “love yourself” feels like too big a leap - and why Emily starts with the inner critic, not against itThe dinner table analogy that reframes your relationship with your own harsh inner voiceWhy empathy and compassion aren’t the same thing - and which one protects people who hold space for others from burning outWhy we unconsciously stay in painful patterns – and the concept of secondary gains that explains more than we’d like to admitThe “near enemy” of kindness - how self-sacrifice quietly masquerades as a virtue[Recorded Remotely October 2025]About Dr Emily Musgrove:Dr Emily Musgrove is a clinical psychologist based in Perth with over a decade of experience helping people find their way back to themselves. She is the beloved resident psychologist on The Imperfects Podcast - where she draws on real conversations to offer evidence-based strategies people can actually use. Her book, Unstuck: A Guide to Finding Your Way Forward to the Life You Want to Live, was released in May 2025.Connect with Emily:Website: dremilymusgrove.comInstagram: @dremilymusgroveBook: Unstuck (available in print, ebook and audio)—Connect with Humans, being™:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneFacebook: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneTikTok: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneYouTube: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneHumans, being™ is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.
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  Libby Trickett, being. with Lael Stone | You Were Always Enough ♥︎ 12.04.2026 1ч 5мин

  Libby Trickett surfaced from the pool at the Beijing Olympics, saw the number one next to her name, and waited for the feeling of being enough. It didn't come.Libby is mum to five children, including baby Archie, who was snuggled on her chest throughout our entire conversation. She opens up about postnatal depression after her first daughter, Poppy, about the Father wound that quietly drove her to the pool every single day, and about the moment she realised that winning gold wasn't going to make her whole. We also explore her passionate advocacy for keeping girls in sport.We explore:The relentlessness of early motherhood, and why admitting it's boring sometimes is actually the most honest thing you can sayWhat Libby's postnatal depression cracked open in her - and why she now sees it as one of the most important experiences of her lifeThe Beijing gold medal, and the moment Libby realised that winning the thing she'd wanted her whole life, still left a voidLibby's advocacy work around girls and sport: why participation drops off and what we can do about itThe only thing that matters in parenting - and why it's not organic food, sleep training, or getting the birth story "right"What I keep coming back to, sitting with this conversation, is Libby saying: "I was always enough." Seven Olympic medals, world records, five children - and still, that simple truth was the hardest thing to find. What I love about Libby is that she's doing the work. She's right in it. And she's raising five little humans to know their enoughness from the start. To me, that's the most important gold medal of all.[Recorded Remotely October 2025]About Libby Trickett:Libby Trickett is a seven-time Olympic medallist with four gold medals who represented Australia at three consecutive Olympic Games and held world records in the 100m freestyle throughout her career. She is a mental health advocate, author of the memoir Beneath the Surface, and a fierce advocate for keeping girls in sport. She lives with her husband, former swimmer Luke Trickett, and their five children.Connect with Libby:Instagram: @libby_trickettPodcast: Play Well series - 8 Eps on Sportish—Connect with Humans, being™:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneFacebook: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneTikTok: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneYouTube: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneHumans, being™ is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.
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  Ryan Shelton, being. with Lael Stone | Silliness is Worth Taking Seriously ♥︎ 05.04.2026 1ч 4мин

  There are conversations that feel like they're about one thing, but they're actually about something else entirely. This one starts with laughter… and ends up in a tender place.Ryan Shelton is such an excellent human. He's one third of The Imperfects alongside Hugh and Josh van Cuylenburg, and a face on Australian screens for the better part of two decades, from Rove to Hamish & Andy. I knew going into this chat that it'd be warm and funny and real.We talk about what it costs to keep seeking approval, the psychology behind why so many of us are still waiting for someone to say "it's your turn now," and the surprising power of small, silly, seemingly pointless things. Ryan's beautiful quote - delivered with perfect comic timing and complete sincerity - might be my favourite callout from the whole season so far: "Silliness is worth taking seriously."We explore:The fear that stops you putting creative work into the world - and what actually happens when you finally do it anyway"Juvenile condition" - the Adlerian psychology concept that explains why so many adults are still waiting for permission to start their own livesLaughter as a nervous system response - and why it shows up in the strangest, most inconvenient momentsThe "three-sided column" from The Courage to Be Happy - and how it changes who you think is responsible for your lifeWhy silliness might be the most underrated form of connection and healing we have right nowAll the fear, the procrastination, the need for approval. The creativity, the silliness, the courage it takes to put something out there, even when you're scared. Ryan reminded me to take that a lot more seriously - and to laugh a lot more while I'm doing it.[Recorded January 2026]About Ryan Shelton:Ryan Shelton is one of Australia's most beloved comedians and writers. After two decades in Australian television - from Rove Live to co-writing Chris Lilley's We Can Be Heroes and producing Hamish & Andy's The Gap Year, True Story, and Perfect Holiday - he's now one third of The Imperfects, Australia's leading mental health podcast, alongside Hugh and Josh van Cuylenburg. In late 2025, he opened his debut solo art exhibition in Fitzroy: All This Work, Just For This. He takes silliness very, very seriously.Connect with Ryan:Instagram: @ryansheltonography Podcast: The Imperfects Podcast—Connect with Humans, being™:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneFacebook: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneTikTok: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneYouTube: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneHumans, being™ is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.
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  Ali Daddo, being. with Lael Stone | Taking up Space ♥︎ 29.03.2026 1ч 9мин

  I grew up with Ali Daddo on my wall. And like so many of us, I looked at that image and thought - that's it. That's what it means to arrive. What I didn't know - what none of us knew - was that even being the ‘it’ girl comes with challenges. This beautiful conversation really opens up about the pressures we feel as a woman, from the tween and teen years, into motherhood and menopause. We explore Ali's "standing in front of a 747 jet engine" image of society's pressure not to age, and what women actually find on the other side of all that noise. We also get deep about long-term love - Esther Perel's three marriages to the same person, (what it takes to reinvent in the third one), and what "making art from a marriage" actually looks like in practice.We explore:The "currency" of appearance: what we inherit, what it costs us, and what happens when the market changes as we ageThe grandmother whale theory: why Ali believes women stop being fertile because they're meant to leadReinventing long-term love post-menopauseAviiana, the wellness platform Ali co-founded with Mary Doube, and the whole vision to help women thrive with confidenceWhat it feels like to finally be "out of the game you never asked to be in" - and why that might be the most liberating thing that's ever happened to usAli is a little further down this path than me and I am so grateful to have her shining a light from up ahead. What she's showing me is that the other side isn't smaller. It's more. More voice. More space. More of yourself. 💛[Recorded Remotely November 2025]About Ali Daddo:Ali Daddo began her career as one of Australia's most recognisable models and presenters before spending 25 years in the United States, where she worked as a birth assistant and Steiner early childhood educator. She's the author of Queen Menopause: Finding Your Majesty in the Mayhem, co-host of ‘The Heart of It’ podcast with hubby Cameron Daddo, co-founder of the women's wellness platform Aviiana, and host of the Foxtel LifeStyle wellness series, Gen Well.Connect with Ali:Website: aviiana.com.auInstagram: @alidaddoPodcast: The Heart of It—Connect with Humans, being™:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneFacebook: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneTikTok: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneYouTube: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneHumans, being™ is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.
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  Steph Claire Smith, being. with Lael Stone | Body, Worth and Becoming ♥︎ 22.03.2026 1ч 21мин

  What if the story you tell about your body isn’t really yours to begin with?In this warm, honest, and beautifully grounded conversation, I sit down with Steph Claire Smith – co-founder of KIC, model, podcaster, and mum – to explore the imprints that shape how we see ourselves, and what it takes to slowly, gently, rewrite them.Steph grew up in the public eye at a time when the wellness world had a very particular idea of what health was supposed to look like. We talk about what it meant to internalise that, how it showed up in her relationship with food and her body, and the long, non-linear journey towards actually feeling at home in herself.We also talk about motherhood, the pressure of building a business in the health and fitness space while doing your own inner work, and why Steph believes the most powerful thing she can do for her daughter is to keep going on her own healing journey.We explore:Growing up in the public eye – and what that does to a young woman’s sense of selfThe shift from performing wellness to actually living itBuilding KIC from the inside out – and why the mission has always been bigger than fitnessMotherhood as a mirror: what Steph sees in herself through her childrenThe ongoing, imperfect work of breaking old patternsWhat stayed with me after this conversation was Steph’s honesty about navigating the public eye and staying true to yourself.[Recorded January 2026]About Steph Claire Smith:Steph Claire Smith is the co-founder of KIC, a leading Australian health and wellness app focused on movement, mindfulness and nourishing food. A model, podcaster and mum, Steph has been open about her own journey with body image and mental health, and uses her platform to champion a more balanced, compassionate approach to wellbeing.Connect with Steph:Instagram: @stephclairesmithKICApp: kicwellness.comUse the code humansbeing for one month free when you sign up to the KICApp via the above website on a monthly subscription. Available for new and returning users only.—Connect with Humans, being™:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneFacebook: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneTikTok: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneYouTube: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneHumans, being™ is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.
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  Lael Stone, being. | Doing the Work ♥︎ 15.03.2026 33мин

  What if the feelings you’ve spent a lifetime pushing down are the very things asking to be heard?In this solo episode, I want to talk about something people ask me about all the time – what does it actually mean to “do the work”? I recognise that the majority of us grew up in homes where feelings weren’t exactly welcomed. Anger got shut down. Tears got ignored. Mistakes got shamed. And so we learned pretty early that the safest thing to do was to push it all down and get on with it. The problem is, those feelings don’t go anywhere. They just wait.I explore:Why most of us were never taught to process our emotions – and how that shapes our adult behaviourThe “dark night of the soul” – the crisis moments that often push us toward deeper self-examinationThe loneliness of changing when the people around you aren’tWhat does doing the work actually look like – inner child work, journaling, reparentingHow to start noticing your triggers as invitations, not problemsWhy going slowly and gently is not weakness – it’s wisdomWhat I know from many years of working with people – and from my own journey – is that nobody ever regrets doing this work. Nobody regrets healing. The invitation is simply to get curious, go gently, and take one step at a time.[Recorded October 2025]About Lael Stone:Lael Stone is an educator, counsellor, and author of Own Your Story: Understanding your past to create your future. With over 20 years of experience working with families, Lael helps people understand how their childhood imprints shape their adult lives – and how to do something about it.Connect with Lael:Instagram: @laelstoneWebsite: laelstone.com.au—Connect with Humans, being™:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneFacebook: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneTikTok: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneYouTube: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneHumans, being™ is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.
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  Lisa Corduff, being. with Lael Stone | Grief and Joy ♥︎ 08.03.2026 1ч 12мин

  What if the worst thing that ever happened to you turned out to be the thing that taught you how to live truly?In this deeply moving and beautifully honest conversation, I sit down with Lisa Corduff – podcaster, storyteller, entrepreneur, and solo mum to three extraordinary kids – to explore what it means to carry grief, raise children through loss, and still choose joy.Lisa's husband Nick died in September 2019 while travelling in India and Lisa’s challenge was to keep showing up, to stay open to find joy even inside profound grief. We talk about the gifts that grief can give, the messy reality of solo parenting, what it means to let yourself fall apart so you can come back together differently, and the extraordinary five-month adventure Lisa took her kids on when she realised she needed to stop pretending she was okay.We explore:What Lisa's children taught her about joy and grief coexistingThe "good vibes only" trap – and why grief has to be felt to move throughKeeping Nick present in positive and loving ways as the kids growBecoming the "fun parent" and straddling joy and boundaries soloWhat it really means to live fully in the face of deathCrafting the story your children carry: the power of the imprints we give in our darkest momentsWhat struck me most in sitting with Lisa was her willingness to hold all of it at once. The sadness and the adventure. The grief and the laughter. The very worst thing and the extraordinary life she has built in its shadow.[Recorded October 2025]About Lisa Corduff:Lisa Corduff is a podcaster, storyteller, and entrepreneur passionate about helping women find and share their own voices. She is the host of Conversations with Lisa, where she explores big topics including AI, climate change, and what it means to raise children in this moment in time. Lisa also teaches storytelling and is a passionate advocate for women claiming the power of their own stories.Connect with Lisa:Instagram: @lisacorduffPodcast: Conversations with Lisa: This Moment in Time—Connect with Humans, being™:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneFacebook: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneTikTok: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneYouTube: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneHumans, being™ is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.
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  Tommy Herschell, being. with Lael Stone | When Blokes Feel ♥︎ 01.03.2026 1ч 3мин

  What if the moment that changed your life wasn’t a success story... but a 15-year-old boy dying with his feet planted on the ground, reminding you not to waste yours?In this raw, joyful, and deeply moving conversation, I talk with Tommy Herschell – former Queensland primary school teacher, founder of ‘Find Ya Feet’, and one of the most genuinely human people I’ve had the privilege of knowing.This conversation is about the moment Tommy hit rock bottom. It’s about what it really means to find your feet – to stop, think about where you are, and think about the best person you can actually be. And it’s about the extraordinary ripple effect that happens when blokes – young and old – are finally given permission to feel.We explore:Bastien Madrill – the 15-year-old whose final days completely changed Tommy’s lifeWhy Tommy calls his work “mental mechanics” and why that reframe matters for boysThe pit crew theory – how to choose the mates who will actually change your tyresPeople pleasing, self-worth, and the real reason we’re always the last to leave the pubWhat a session with one boy who stayed seated after a workshop taught him about the power of being heardThe red truck theory of teenage behaviour – and what it means for every parent listeningI’ve known Tommy for a while now, and every single time I’m around him I leave feeling like the world is going to be okay. Not because everything’s easy – but because people like Tommy are out there in schools every single day, making space for the conversations that save lives.[Recorded remotely, October 2025]About Tommy Herschell:Tommy Herschell is a former Queensland primary school teacher and the founder of Find Ya Feet – a not-for-profit organisation delivering mental health workshops to men and boys aged 10 to 70 in schools, sporting clubs and corporate settings across Australia. Tommy calls his work “mental mechanics” rather than mental health, and describes himself as a story farmer – creating spaces where vulnerability is modelled and blokes learn that speaking up isn’t weakness. His work is supported by ambassadors including Mitch Marsh and Nicho Hines, and the organisation is about to release its first children’s book, Timmy and the Wonky Fence.Connect with Tommy:Instagram: @FindYaFeetWebsite: findyafeet.org—Connect with Humans, being™:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneFacebook: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneTikTok: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneYouTube: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneHumans, being™ is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.
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  Kat John, being. with Lael Stone | Coming Home to Yourself ♥︎ 22.02.2026 1ч 9мин

  What if authenticity isn’t something you find... but something you return to?In this warm, honest, and at times deeply moving conversation, I sit down with Kat John; coach, author, and one of those rare humans who just radiates something you want to lean into. Kat helps people come home to themselves, their hearts, and what really matters. And in this conversation, she does exactly that - for herself, and for all of us listening.We explore:The ego voice that tells us we’re not doing enough - and how to hold it with compassion instead of feeding itThe dance between significance and simplicity - and why we don’t have to chooseKat’s remarkable healing journey - from brain surgery and chronic pain to living pain-free through the power of visualisationWhat it means to be cut off from your body early in life, and the slow, brave work of coming home to itFive Rhythms, movement, and why healing so often lives in the body rather than the mindThe complex, beautiful, challenging space of being a step-parentPerimenopause, rage, and learning to feel the feelings we were never allowed to haveWhat it looks like to build a brand and a life from a place of radical authenticity[Recorded October 2025]About Kat John:Kat John is a coach, speaker, and author of Authentic - a book about coming home to who you really are. Through her words, her work, and her deeply relatable presence, Kat reminds us that authenticity isn’t something to perform - it’s something to return to. She hosts the podcast Authentic, and runs programs including The Good Life and Authentic - The Program.Connect with Kat:Instagram: @kat.johnPodcast: Authentic. The PodcastBook: AuthenticPrograms: The Good Life + Authentic - The Program—Connect with Humans, being™:Web: humansbeing.auInstagram: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneFacebook: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneTikTok: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneYouTube: @humansbeingwithlaelstoneHumans, being™ is produced on the lands of the Bunurong and Wadawurrung people. We pay respect to their unique and diverse cultures and to elders past, present and future.