With The Perrys

Let’s Talk About Covetousness 01.06.2026 1u 3min

When you hyper-focus on what you think you lack, you aren’t practicing gratitude, and you can become discontent. When you covet what someone else has, you will start to believe that God is withholding something good from you. That means our discontentment is not about our life circumstances but about the state of our hearts. Melissa Kruger joins the Perrys to talk about a book Jackie stumbled upon when looking for resources on the topic of covetousness – one that Melissa wrote back in 2012 called “The Envy of Eve: Finding Contentment in a Covetous World.” Whatever you’re wanting, it will not ultimately be soul-satisfying. We spend our time chasing the contentment we want when it’s available to us simply by abiding with Jesus. Connect with Melissa: https://www.instagram.com/melissabryankruger https://melissabkruger.com/ Check out Melissa's book, "The Envy of Eve: Finding Contentment in a Covetous World" – https://www.amazon.com/Envy-Eve-Finding-Contentment-Covetous/dp/1845507754 Jackie and Melissa's Ephesians study with Jasmine Holmes: https://www.lifeway.com/en/product/ephesians-bible-study-book-with-video-access-P005843174? Scripture References Genesis 3 Philippians 4:11-13 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://weekendtoremember.com — Register now with code PERRY to save $100 on any getaway! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Legalism, Sexual Immorality, and Heaven: Listener Q&A 25.05.2026 1u 22min

Y’all love a Q&A episode, so the Perrys asked Instagram followers to submit questions to help guide the topics of conversation. Jackie kicks things off with a “storytime” moment about an unforgettable (and not in a great way) evangelism experience, and then they dive into the questions. How do you deal with insecurity as a man? Should you only date someone who is spiritually at the same pace as you? When we get to Heaven, will we recognize our loved ones? How can you be delivered from sexual immorality? Why doesn’t Jackie talk more about her prophetic dreams? Scripture References 1 Corinthians 6:12-14 James 1:12-15 1 Corinthians 14:23-25 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://meetfabric.com/perry — Help protect your family today with Fabric by Gerber Life. You could be offered coverage instantly with NO health exam required! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Discipling Our Kids with the Krugers 18.05.2026 56min

The Perrys are joined by Melissa and Mike Kruger to discuss their new book “The Good News Family Devotional: 52 Weeks Through the Gospel of Mark.” Mark is fast-paced and story-centric, which makes it an ideal book to study alongside your kids. The Kruegers and Perrys discuss navigating discipleship with kids in different stages, helping children move beyond surface-level observation questions, and seeing family devotionals as just one part of a broader culture of discipleship in the home. Melissa and Mike encourage parents – especially those without a model from their own upbringing – to pursue family discipleship imperfectly but diligently. Check out “The Good News Family Devotional” – https://goodnewsfamilydevotional.com/; https://us.amazon.com/Good-News-Family-Devotional-Through-ebook/dp/B0GX2YCWT4 Connect with the Kruegers: https://melissabkruger.com/ https://www.instagram.com/melissabryankruger/ https://goodnewsfamilydevotional.com/ Scripture References Deuteronomy 6:4-9 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://magicspoon.com/PERRY — Get $5 off your next order! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Christians, It’s Time to Grow Up 11.05.2026 1u 18min

When we’re “born again” as Christ followers, we’re babies, and “growing up” is a choice. But emotions, pride, and an endless buffet of online voices can keep new believers spiritually stuck. In this episode, Jackie and Preston discuss how spiritual maturity isn’t automatic, nor is it a checklist. We become mature by pursuing humility, having discernment about false doctrine, and establishing deep roots in a local church community. Ultimately, we have to know our Bible more than anything and come to terms with our complete dependence on God. Tim Keller’s sermon, “Principles of Christian Growth” Part 1 – https://podcast.gospelinlife.com/e/principles-of-christian-growth-part-1/ Part 2 – https://podcast.gospelinlife.com/e/principles-of-christian-growth/ Scripture References Ephesians 4:11-15 1 Corinthians 3:1-4 Psalm 139:23-24 John 15:1-2 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://weekendtoremember.com — Register now with code PERRY to save $100 on any getaway! https://gominno.com/ — Sign up online with code PERRY to get your first month FREE! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mourning, Meekness, and Mercy: Part 2 with Matt Chandler 04.05.2026 1u 2min

The second half of the Perrys’ conversation with Matt Chandler is a deeper discussion of the Beatitudes of Matthew 5. For example, the Bible says, “Blessed are those who mourn,” but what are we to mourn, and how do we mourn well? Matt explains that we mourn our own sin, and we grieve the broken world around us. Comfort is found in the hard work of mourning, and the consequence of not mourning is distance from Jesus. Beyond mourning, Matt and the Perrys also explore meekness, a thirst for righteousness, mercy, peacemaking, and persecution. Scripture References Matthew 5:3-10 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://shopify.com/perry — Sign up for your $1 per-month trial today! https://meetfabric.com/perry — Help protect your family today with Fabric by Gerber Life. You could be offered coverage instantly with NO health exam required! https://fieldofgreens.com — Get 20% off with promo code PERRY - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Becoming like Jesus with Matt Chandler: Part 1 27.04.2026 46min

After more than two decades leading a church – and through his own faith journey, too – Pastor Matt Chandler says confidently that, “Come what may, God is at work.” In this conversation on sanctification, Matt, Jackie and Preston explore the Beatitudes of Matthew 5, not as a checklist of spiritual goals but a portrait of a person Jesus is creating as we mature in Christ. The Christian life isn’t about wins and losses; it’s about staying tethered to Jesus through the highs and lows. Keep saying yes to Him, and He’ll use it all to form you. This is part 1 of a 2-part conversation. Check out Matt Chandler’s new book, “Becoming Like Jesus: The Everyday Journey to Living a Life of Holiness” (releasing this week, April 28): https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Like-Jesus-Everyday-Holiness/dp/1400344301 Tim Keller sermon Jackie mentions: http://podcast.gospelinlife.com/e/principles-of-christian-growth-part-1/ Scripture References Matthew 5:3-12 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For Your Glory: Why and How We Worship with Trip Lee 20.04.2026 1u 6min

Trip Lee is an author, teacher, and hip-hop artist who recently released new worship music titled “For Your Glory.” He joins Jackie and Preston for a conversation about worship music, rap music, and the importance of music in our lives as followers of Jesus. Music plays a major role in spiritual formation – singing truth helps us remember and believe what is true about God. Worship is not just the fluff before a sermon; it’s a response to who God is. Ultimately, worship is about making much of Jesus, and it’s something we’re called to participate in together. Connect with Trip Lee: https://www.instagram.com/triplee/ https://builttobrag.com/ Listen to For Your Glory, the new worship project from BRAG WORSHIP & Trip Lee: https://link.reachrecords.com/fyg1 Scripture References Ephesians 5:19 Psalm 77:1-3, 13-14, 16 Psalm 103:1 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://magicspoon.com/PERRY — Get $5 off your next order! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sex, Sexual Trauma, and God’s Design with Dr. Juli Slattery 13.04.2026 1u 23min

Sex is a living metaphor. It’s how we experience oneness with the person we’ve committed to be in a covenant relationship with, similar to the relationship between Christ and the church. Dr. Juli Slattery joins the Perrys to discuss the importance of seeing sex as an ongoing journey of intimacy, not just a physical act, requiring emotional vulnerability and communication. The Perrys’ conversation with Dr. Slattery covers sexual trauma, pornography, entitlement, libido, and purity culture. Everything God created, He designed to be a reflection of himself, and that includes sex. Single, dating, married, widowed, divorced – this episode about sexuality is a helpful and necessary conversation for everyone to learn from. Connect with Dr. Juli Slattery: https://www.authenticintimacy.com/ https://www.instagram.com/authenticintimacy https://www.authenticintimacy.com/podcast/ https://www.authenticintimacy.com/books/ Scripture References Psalm 37 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://meetfabric.com/perry — Help protect your family today with Fabric by Gerber Life. You could be offered coverage instantly with NO health exam required! https://gominno.com/ — Sign up online with code PERRY to get your first month FREE! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On Leadership, Assignment, and Brokenness with Dr. Crawford Loritts 06.04.2026 1u 14min

Dr. Crawford Loritts joins the Perrys for a conversation about leadership and the qualities that make someone worth following. True leadership is stewardship and sacrifice. Someone’s ability to lead is in direct proportion to their ability to serve. A good leader has conviction, not just knowledge, with wisdom that's the product of experience, not simply exposure to information. And Dr. Loritts talks about anointing being on the person, not their platform or performance, and how gifts are most developed when you focus on character and godliness. Check out Dr. Loritts’ book, Leadership as an Identity: The Four Traits of Those Who Wield Lasting Influence: https://www.amazon.com/Leadership-Identity-Traits-Lasting-Influence/dp/080242987 Jackie’s Blameless hat: https://boldapparel.shop/products/blameless-hat This Episode is Sponsored By: https://timtebow.com/tree-perry/ — Get your copy of If the Tree Could Speak by Tim Tebow on Amazon today! Https://fieldofgreens.com — Get 20% off with promo code PERRY - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Infidelity, Broken Legs, and Healthy Marriage: Part Two with the Navarros 30.03.2026 1u 5min

TRIGGER WARNING: Suicide is briefly discussed in this episode. Here’s part two of Jackie and Preston’s conversation with Lymari and Tony Navarro. Last week you heard about Tony’s betrayal, and in this episode they discuss the restoration of their marriage. Things are incredibly fragile after a spouse’s affair, and the Navarros are honest about that. Lymari says couples need a season of “incubation” if they want to restore their relationship – a time of intentionally surrounding yourself with wise counsel and cutting out people persuading you to leave the marriage (again, if both husband and wife are committed to reconciliation). Tony’s affair was 25 years ago, and five years went by before the Navarros were in a place to support other couples with stories like theirs. Be encouraged – restoration takes time. This Episode is Sponsored By: https://gominno.com/ — Sign up online with code PERRY to get your first month FREE! https://timtebow.com/tree-perry/ — Get your copy of If the Tree Could Speak by Tim Tebow on Amazon today! Connect with the Navarros: ⁠https://www.lymarinavarro.com/⁠ ⁠https://www.tonyandlymarinavarro.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠https://www.instagram.com/tonyandlymarinavarro⁠ Check out their book, "From Ruin to Renewal" – ⁠https://shop.familylife.com/product/from-ruin-to-renewal/⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rebuilding a Broken Marriage with Lymari and Tony Navarro 23.03.2026 1u 13min

“Our story is a warning to some and a hope to others.” Three years into their marriage, Lymari Navarro got an anonymous phone call from a woman who said, “Your husband is having an affair.” When confronted, Tony told Lymari he had fallen out of love with her, but she chose grace over the Biblical “right” she had to a divorce. The enemy attacks marriages because it is the most accurate relationship to that of Jesus and the church. Marriage shows off the gospel in a way that nothing else can, and the transformational impact of that undeserved grace is on display in the story you’ll begin to hear in this week’s episode. Come back next week for part two of the Perrys’ conversation with Lymari and Tony. The Navarros have benefitted from and speak at FamilyLife’s Weekend to Remember events. Find a location near you: ⁠https://www.familylife.com/weekend-to-remember/ This Episode is Sponsored By: https://timtebow.com/tree-perry/ — Get your copy of If the Tree Could Speak by Tim Tebow on Amazon today! https://weekendtoremember.com — Save over 40% on any Weekend to Remember now through March 30! https://meetfabric.com/perry — Help protect your family today with Fabric by Gerber Life. You could be offered coverage instantly with NO health exam required! Scripture references: Romans 1 Titus 2:11-12 Connect with the Navarros: https://www.lymarinavarro.com/ https://www.tonyandlymarinavarro.com/⁠⁠⁠ https://www.instagram.com/tonyandlymarinavarro Check out their book, "From Ruin to Renewal" – https://shop.familylife.com/product/from-ruin-to-renewal/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Everybody Got a Lil Peter in Them 16.03.2026 1u 15min

Peter may be one of the most relatable disciples. He’s bold, passionate, sometimes impulsive, and a natural leader, which we read about in Scripture. His story shows how our greatest strengths can become massive stumbling blocks. From boldly declaring Jesus as the Messiah to denying Him three times, Peter’s life reminds us how quickly we can fall, yet his restoration shows us the heart of God. After your failure, do you run to Jesus? Like we see in Peter’s story, Jesus is patient with us and committed to making us more like Him. Scripture references: Matthew 16:13-222 Luke 22:33 Mark 14:26 Psalm 139:1-4 John 21:1-4, 7 Revelation 2:4-5 John 21:15-17 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://oneskin.co — Get 15% off using code PERRY! https://timtebow.com/tree-perry/ — Get your copy of If the Tree Could Speak by Tim Tebow on Amazon today! https://magicspoon.com/PERRY — Get $5 off your next order! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Devil is a Liar: A Conversation on Making War Against Lies with Jennie Allen 09.03.2026 1u 18min

There are three core lies we all believe: “I’m worthless, I’m unlovable, and I’m helpless.” These beliefs can grow into strongholds that influence our thoughts and actions over time. Jennie Allen joins the Perrys to talk about how the enemy often makes lies like these feel rational and normal, and then we agree with the lies without realizing it. We need God’s Word and the truth of the Gospel to help us fight them. Jennie’s encouragement is that you are not especially broken because you believe lies. She says, “The reason the enemy comes for you is because you’re loved. Because you love God and He loves you, that makes you a target. Don’t let shame enter your story more than it already has.” Check out Jennie’s new book, “The Lie You Don't Know You Believe” https://www.amazon.com/Lie-You-Dont-Know-Believe/dp/1400249821 Follow @JennieAllen: https://www.instagram.com/jennieallen/ Scripture references: 1 John 1:5-7 Matthew 4:4-6 John 14:30 John 16:33 Ephesians 6:10-13 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://fieldofgreens.com — Get 20% off with promo code PERRY https://timtebow.com/tree-perry/ — Get your copy of If the Tree Could Speak by Tim Tebow on Amazon today! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I Believe, But Help My Unbelief 02.03.2026 1u 5min

Scripture tells us that the righteous shall live by faith, but what does that actually look like and how can we grow in faith? In this episode, the Perrys explore how unbelief sits at the root of sin, why spiritual fruit reveals what we truly believe about God, and how maturity in Christ leads to deeper, more specific repentance. Rather than striving for acceptance through good works, faithful obedience flows from the acceptance that is already ours in Jesus. Scripture references: Hebrews 11:1-4 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://meetfabric.com/perry — Help protect your family today with Fabric by Gerber Life. You could be offered coverage instantly with NO health exam required! https://timtebow.com/tree-perry/ — Get your copy of If the Tree Could Speak by Tim Tebow on Amazon today! https://weekendtoremember.com — Save $100 with code Perry! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Theology for Teens with Alena Franklin 23.02.2026 55min

What began as a childlike love for Jesus was tested when Alena Pitts Franklin's mom died suddenly when Alena was just 14 years old. Alena’s grief challenged and deepened her understanding of who God is, revealing what she truly believed about His character. Alena has written a devotional called “God Is,” designed for teen girls and young women to understand God’s character – infinite, omnipotent, ever-present, good, loving, and our safe place. Theology isn’t just academic, it’s practical, personal, and essential for teens walking through real life. Scripture references: Isaiah 41:10 Check out Alena's book, God Is ― A Devotional for Teen Girls & Young Women: 60 Days of Learning Who God Is to Understand Who We Are: https://www.amazon.com/Devotional-Teen-Girls-Young-Women/dp/B0DT8KRZZK This Episode is Sponsored by: https://timtebow.com/tree-perry/ — Get your copy of If the Tree Could Speak by Tim Tebow on Amazon today! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Stewarding the Body and Fleeing Sexual Sin 16.02.2026 57min

Try before you buy? No. An important part of becoming one in marriage is the process of learning one another with each other. Relationships (and sex) take curiosity and communication, and the Perrys talk about how there’s joy in figuring things out together. Our bodies matter to God. There’s protection in His design for sex to be experienced within the covenant of marriage, and God is grieved any time we give our bodies away. A conversation like this can feel condemning, but God is merciful to restore our purity, remove memories of past intimacy, and help us point others to the hope of the Gospel too. More episodes on this topic: Discipling Kids in a Sexually Broken World With Laurie and Matt Krieg (With The Perrys) What We Wish We Knew About Sex (With The Perrys) An Honest Conversation about Marriage: Sex, Saying Sorry, & Love (WHOA That’s Good with Sadie & Christian Robertson) Scripture references: 1 Corinthians 6:19 1 Corinthians 6:14 Romans 6:12-13 This Episode is Sponsored By: https://magicspoon.com/PERRY — Get $5 off your next order! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Real Christian Maturity and How to Have Lasting Fruit with Christine Caine 09.02.2026 1u 11min

Today’s guest, Christine Caine, says that one of the greatest testimonies in our generation is a resilient, enduring faith. No matter what is happening around you, you can continue to flourish when you are rooted and grounded in the love of God. Christine and the Perrys discuss what it looks like to lean into sanctification rather than run from it, what the imagery of the olive tree in Scripture teaches us, and why followers of Christ can flourish while still grieving the darkness of our world. This life is hard. It doesn’t get easier. But what’s on the other side is worth it: intimacy with Jesus. Check out Christine's new book, The Faith to Flourish: God’s Design for a Rooted, Resilient, and Fruitful Life – https://www.amazon.com/Faith-Flourish-Design-Resilient-Fruitful/dp/1400255252 https://weekendtoremember.com — Save $100 with code Perry! https://meetfabric.com/perry — Help protect your family today with Fabric by Gerber Life. You could be offered coverage instantly with NO health exam required! Scripture references: Psalm 52:8 John 15:1-2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Diabetes, Sovereignty, and Sickness 02.02.2026 1u 21min

With The Perrys is back, and the first conversation of 2026 is all about suffering and God’s sovereignty. Jackie shares the story of being hospitalized last fall, receiving a life-altering diagnosis of Type 1 Diabetes, and how the adjustment in her health has deepened her dependence on the Lord. Jackie and Preston wrestle with the mystery of why God allows suffering and what it means to trust that God is both sovereign and good, even when life hurts. You can be in pain and still have joy. And even when healing doesn’t come, God is still good. Episodes referenced: Yana Conner: https://youtu.be/S_XuneYL4d0 Jada Edwards: https://youtu.be/68r-elvUEIg Toni Collier: https://youtu.be/ta485GMdHLc Scripture references: Job 1:1 Job 42:2-5 1 Peter 4:12-13 This Episode is Sponsored By: Https://fieldofgreens.com — Get 20% off with promo code PERRY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Getting to Know Aunt CeCe (Winans) 15.12.2025 1u 1min

We’ve got a special conversation to wrap up the year before a holiday break. The Perrys are joined by their friend and Gospel-music artist CeCe Winans. CeCe shares how meeting the Lord at a young age shaped both her music and her priorities in life. The love of God has always been her motivator and she strives to please Him in all she does. From the fear of the Lord helping her navigate the music industry to choosing home and church over public calling, CeCe reflects on what has kept her grounded, She says, “I don’t worship what I do. I worship who He is.” CeCe’s challenge to listeners is to stay consistent in the things that matter, because you honor God, He’ll honor you.Follow CeCe: https://www.instagram.com/cecewinans Find CeCe on her MORE THAN THIS Tour: https://cecewinans.com/tour/ This episode is sponsored by: https://fieldofgreens.com — Get 20% off when you use promo code PERRY at checkout! Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter: https://withtheperrys.myflodesk.com/zhfus4jx1s Join Preston's discipleship community for men: https://www.patreon.com/PrestonPerry/membership To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal: https://paypal.me/withtheperrys Shop BOLD Apparel: boldapparel.shop Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“What’s Love Got to do With it” with Jada Edwards 08.12.2025 1u 22min

We all have “love issues.” John 13:35 says that love is to be our identifying mark as Christians – not our wisdom or spiritual gifts or activity – but being a loving person is difficult. Jada Edwards has a new book out called A New Way to Love Your Neighbor that she wrote out of a season where she struggled to love well. The Lord revealed to her that she couldn’t be the originator of grace for other people. She needed God to reveal His love for her specifically, continually, so she’d be filled up with love to give. Jada and the Perrys explore the definition of agape love in which the person initiating the love determines the value of the one they love. They talk about how Biblical love for others almost always requires decision – deciding to love – instead of affection. And ultimately, love needs wisdom to be effective. We need to slow down, pray, and ask Holy Spirit to guide us in how to love. Scripture references: John 13:35 1 John 4:8 Connect with Jada: https://www.instagram.com/jada_edwards/ This Episode is Sponsored By: https://gominno.com — Get your first month FREE when you use code PERRY at sign up. Take advantage of this web-only exclusive offer today! https://policygenius.com/perry — Compare free life insurance quotes from top companies and see how much you could save. Check out A New Way to Love Your Neighbor: Be Curious, Free, and Brave―How to Transform your Relationship with God and Others – https://www.amazon.com/New-Way-Love-Your-Neighbor/dp/1087789184 Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter: https://withtheperrys.myflodesk.com/zhfus4jx1s Join Preston's discipleship community for men: https://www.patreon.com/PrestonPerry/membership To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal: https://paypal.me/withtheperrys Shop BOLD Apparel: boldapparel.shop Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices