Hitchhiker's Guide to AI Governance
Bruce Mullan
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A podcast hosted by Bruce Mullan exploring AI governance, inspired by the Australian AI Governance Standard's 42 statements. Each episode features conversations with policymakers, AI vendors, researchers, ethicists, industry leaders, and civil society voices on the challenges of creating, governing, and using AI. The show aims to collect insights and cautionary tales from the front lines of AI governance around the world.
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Episode 13 Keturah Charlesworth - Unmasking Shadow AI: A Conversation on Its Hidden Influence 10.09.2026 1u 3minDon't Panic! Today's episode is all about AI and privacy with Keturah Charlesworth, Privacy expert.AI has emerged as a modern-day enigma. As we navigate through its complexities, a striking observation was made: many people are caught between denial and action regarding their use of AI.In this episode, Ketchura Charlesworth shares insights on AI governance, privacy laws, shadow AI, and how organisations can navigate the complex landscape of AI use in health and human services.TopicsShadow AI and organizational riskPrivacy laws and AI compliance in healthcareStrategies for AI governance and securityThe impact of AI on health and human servicesAdmitting and managing AI-related pain and vulnerabilities TakeawaysShadow AI is used without organizational awareness, posing significant risks.Organizations must understand and comply with Australian Privacy Principles when using AI.Building trust and involving stakeholders is key to effective AI governance.AI can fill skill gaps but also introduces privacy and security vulnerabilities.Proactive AI governance is essential to prevent future data breaches and legal issues.Episode Navigation03:14 About Keturah Charlesworth11:09 The Challenges of Shadow AI20:50 The Dilemma of Admitting to using Shadow AI29:21 Privacy Concerns with AI Usage32:19 The Coming AI Data Breach Tsunami34:36 AI in Health and Human Services36:30 The Need for AI Governance Right Now42:13 Navigating Privacy Laws and AI47:58 The Future of AI Regulation51:04 Tailoring AI Solutions to Organisational Needs54:50 The Importance of Human Oversight in AI01:00:35 Quote of the DayHow to reach Keturah CharlesworthWebsite: www.qualityhq.com.auLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/keturah-charlesworth/HITCHHIKERS GUIDE TO AI GOVERNANCEHosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who helps companies confidently adopt the 42 Statements of the Australian AI governance standard. Contact us: [email protected] our website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.au Join us. Subscribe to our newsletter for the latest news, articles, events and podcasts about all things AI: Newsletter If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating, leave a comment and follow us for more episodes.So long and thanks for all the listening. -
Episode 13 Preview - Just like CrowdStrike and Ozempic: What we don’t know about AI can hurt us 02.09.2026 2minDon't Panic! Next week's episode is all about AI and privacy with Keturah Charlesworth, Privacy expert.In this clip our conversation touched on the broader implications of AI. An analogy was made to CrowdStrike, a vendor that faced a catastrophic software upgrade, bringing down 8.5 million Microsoft computers world-wide due to unforeseen vulnerabilities. Keturah likens AI to Ozempic, the miracle drug. We all excitedly got onboard, until people started to go blind.Both incidents serve as a reminder of the hidden risks associated with AI and what we don’t know can indeed hurt us.To get the latest episodes, make sure you follow the show!Email us at [email protected] -
Episode 9 Part 2 Phyllis Elin - Bringing Information Governance into the AI era 26.08.2026 41minDon’t panic. In this episode, due to popular demand, Phyllis Elin returns to the pod to continue our conversation about AI and information governance.Phyllis Elin shares her extensive expertise in information governance, the impact of AI on data management, and the importance of clean, well-structured data for effective AI deployment. She discusses her recent awards, her insights on records retention, and the challenges and opportunities AI presents in data security and management.Key Topics:Phyllis Elin's awards and recognition in information governanceThe importance of records retention schedules for AIChallenges of unstructured data in AI applicationsData cleaning and destruction for AI readinessSecurity and confidentiality in AI data accessDeveloping effective records retention policiesImpact of AI on traditional data management practicesThe role of microfilm and physical records in digital ageEthical considerations in AI and data governanceFuture trends in AI governance and regulationEpisode navigation:06:34 Records retention schedule as the foundation of data management09:46 Why clean data is critical for AI accuracy12:11 Why securing sensitive data is critical for denying AI access17:04 How messy data in Sharepoint undoes AI accuracy18:53 Legal risks of retaining outdated or unnecessary records25:11 Changes in how documents and records are stored28:23 AI scanning technologies to interpret paper records30:20 The irony of using old books to train AI models38:18 Phyllis reflecting on tough timesWhere's Phyllis? You can find her here:Linked In: linkedin.com/in/phylliselinWebsite: knowledgepreservation.comHITCHHIKERS GUIDE TO AI GOVERNANCEHosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who helps companies confidently adopt the 42 Statements of the Australian AI governance standard. Contact us: [email protected] our website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.au Join us. Subscribe to our newsletter for the latest news, articles, events and podcasts about all things AI: Newsletter If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating, leave a comment and follow us for more episodes.So long and thanks for all the listening. -
Bonus: AI Didn't Wait for IT. Neither Did I. That's why I created AI Governance Partners. 20.08.2026 5minDon't panic. In this bonus episode, I reflect on my journey of over 30 years in IT, where I have witnessed firsthand the transformative power of technology in businesses. Traditional technology implementations followed a structured process, but the emergence of AI has changed the game. Unlike everything before it, AI tools like ChatGPT can be accessed and used directly by employees without waiting for formal approval or oversight from IT.Looking ahead, I envision a future where AI frees employees from repetitive and mundane tasks, allowing them to focus on high-value decision-making. This shift not only enhances productivity but also empowers employees to bring their critical judgment to the table.If the organisations I work with can identify where AI is being used, understand what could go wrong, have sensible guardrails in place, and give their people the confidence to use AI well, then that's what success looks like for me.HITCHHIKERS GUIDE TO AI GOVERNANCEHosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who helps companies confidently adopt the 42 Statements of the Australian AI governance standard. Contact us: [email protected] our website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.au Join us. Subscribe to our newsletter for the latest news, articles, events and podcasts about all things AI: Subscribe If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating, leave a comment and follow us for more episodes.So long and thanks for all the listening. -
Episode 12 Derek Crager - Human First AI: How to Win with AI Without Losing What Makes Us Human 13.08.2026 1u 4minDon’t panic. In this episode, I picked up Derek Crager. Derek is a visionary AI Solutions Architect & founder of Practical AI. And he's also a Hoosier (someone from Indiana US).His insights provide a refreshing perspective on how AI can complement human capabilities rather than replace them.Derek emphasizes the importance of a human-first approach to AI. He believes that AI should enhance the workforce rather than jeopardise jobs. "Let's use AI to support the workers that are already here. They're the ones that made the companies great already," he explains. This sentiment resonates in a time when many fear the displacement of jobs due to technology.Derek's perspective on AI serves as a valuable reminder that technology, when integrated thoughtfully, can enhance our capabilities rather than diminish them. As we navigate this evolving landscape, embracing a human-centric approach will be key to unlocking the full potential of AI.This conversation is a must-listen for anyone seeking to understand the intersection of technology, ethics, and human experience. For a deeper exploration of these insights, check out the full episode.Episode navigation:02:25 Introduction to Derek Crager07:26 Working at Amazon.com08:17 Derek 's super power09:23 Derek's perspective on how AI is unfolding across the US10:22 Where will AI settle as a normal part of our jobs?17:55 What is the best way to avoid being displaced by AI?28:56 What do you see in your crystal ball in 5 years?35:52 How companies are having AI use forced upon them.42:57 What is the Pocket Mentor AI device?56:56 Nostalgic Nerds podcast discussion01:00:29 Derek's famous quote01:02:35 How to reach DerekQUOTE:It is advisable that a person know at least three things:Where they areWhere they are goingAnd, what they had best do under the circumstancesby John Ruskin a leading English art critic, social thinker, and polymath of the Victorian era.LINKS TO DEREK'S WORK & CONTACT INFOWeb: https://www.practicalai.appNew Book: https://www.humanfirstai.net (Free Chapter)LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amazonleadership/HITCHHIKERS GUIDE TO AI GOVERNANCE Hosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who helps companies confidently adopt the 42 Statements of the Australian AI governance standard. Contact us: [email protected] our website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.au Subscribe to our newsletter: Subscribe If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating, leave a comment and follow us for more episodes.So long and thanks for all the listening. -
Episode 11 Ambrion AI - You can't put AI in jail. The EU AI Act activations from August 2 2026. 31.07.2026 1u 4minDon't panic. On August 2, 2026, the EU AI Act activates core transparency duties under Article 50, grants the European AI Office broad enforcement powers over general-purpose models, and adjusts previous high-risk compliance timelines.In this episode, I picked up John Webb-O'Rourke and Shane McCarthy from Ambrion AI, an Irish intelligence company purpose built for the AI era. John is a recovering lawyer and the Ambrion AI Managing Partner. Shane is a serial builder of AI-native companies and a part founder of Ambrion AI. Sound familiar? John and Shane joined me in Episode 2. Check that one out too because it's our most downloaded episode in 2026. John and Shane return to the pod to share their insights on the EU AI Act activations commencing on August 2, 2026.Episode navigation: 02:17 The introduction of the EU AI Act on 2 August03:10 How seriously are these Regulations being taken?04:07 How has regulation driven adoption of AI governance?10:01 Will fines drive meaningful AI governance adoption?14:55 What are the conditions for a Regulator to take action?20:09 What are the consequences for a significant AI failure?27:07 What changes are you seeing at a country level?34:19 What is the Irish government doing about AI governance?41:39 What will happen between now and Christmas 2026?46:36 How should companies be managing their AI risk?50:37 Shane on failing again, just failing better.53:16 John on how difficulties strengthen the mind Shane's quote: "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." from Samuel Beckett John's quote: "Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labour does the body." from Seneca Learn more about John and ShaneJohn Webb-O'Rourke on LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/john-webb-o-rourke-219b4315Shane McCarthy on LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/shanemcsocialAmbrion AI website: https://ambrion.ai/Hitchhiker’s Guide to AI Governance Hosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who helps companies confidently adopt the 42 Statements of the Australian AI governance standard. Check out our articles on Substack: https://hhgtaig.substack.com/ Visit our website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.au Visit our publications and subscribe to our newsletter: https://hhgtaig.substack.com/ If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating, leave a comment and follow us for more episodes.So long and thanks for all the listening. -
Bonus: Masterclass - How to get ahead of the AI regulation compliance curve with good AI governance. 24.07.2026 26minDon't panic. This week I share what good AI governance looks like in Australia.To watch this episode as a video visit: https://youtu.be/ygSaj2_yWVg?si=4FXRLMMZqbeYd5DGEpisode Navigation0:00 When AI goes wrong, it goes badly wrong2:10 Why our Regulators are twitchy4:43 Examples of AI systems and use cases6:07 Biggest challenge when deploying AI systems7:36 Why do we need an AI Governance Standard?8:52 The new Australian AI Governance Standard15:38 Where Copilot deployments go wrong17:25 Quick AI Governance wins18:12 AI risk exposure will grow19:33 What does good AI governance look like?ABOUT THIS BONUS EPISODEThe Microsoft Copilot mistakeAn ASX listed company excitedly deployed Microsoft Copilot across 9,000 staff. Unfortunately, Copilot AI was given unrestricted access to employee data. Once it was live, staff could ask it for salary information on any person in the company. As a dutiful AI assistant, it gladly obliged. 👌 Anyone's salary was available for instant inspection.Oops.Then came the kill switch, damage control and incident comms. An expensive mistake.Could this AI mistake happen in your company?The consequences of AI mistakes like this are hugePrivacy breaches and OAIC notificationsLegal exposure and compensation to staffWorkplace distrustEndless remediation meetingsOngoing employee retention issuesOverlooking Copilot AI data access controls is simply the canary in the coal-mine. A prescient warning that companies now require strengthened AI governance as the capabilities of advanced AI far outpace its ability to keep up ... and the Regulators are coming.Regulation is coming for ungoverned AIFive authoritative Australian bodies* have now issued AI risk warnings aimed at boards and leadership teams across Australia.* OAIC, APRA, ASIC, ASD and Five Eyes.Office of the Australian Information CommissionerRegulation of AI lands on December 10. Companies that use AI to make or substantially assist in making decisions about individuals (affecting rights, interests, or wellbeing) to disclose this in their privacy policies.Learn what good AI Governance looks likeI share you how to get started and turn the AI Governance Standard from a compliance tick-off into practical, operational capabilities.Understand why the Australia's AI Governance Standard exists, who can use it and how you can stay ahead of the compliance curveBecome familiar with the 42 AI technical statements mapped against some real-world AI governance failuresLearn about the most impactful AI governance statements Learn how to transform AI governance standards into practical, operational capabilities.Hitchhiker’s Guide to AI Governance Hosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who helps companies confidently adopt the 42 Statements of the Australian AI governance standard. Check out our articles on Substack: https://hhgtaig.substack.com/To learn more, visit our website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.au If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating, leave a comment and follow us for more episodes.So long and thanks for all the listening. -
Episode 10 Part 2 Pamela Frost - Disrupt Yourself Before the AI Does (aka reimagine your relevance) 15.07.2026 32minDon’t panic. In this engaging two part episode, I picked up Career Transition expert, Pamela Frost. Pamela has thirty years of expertise across capability assessment, talent management, career transition coaching, leadership development and employee engagement. Pamela is the founder and CEO of Adapt and Thrive, a multi-tool, multi-layered AI platform enabling people to realise their potential and develop the capabilities required to navigate an emerging future. Pamela's tools enable people to disrupt themselves, and be well ahead of the AI displacement curve. Key Takeaways - Part 1The realities of worker displacement on careers and workplace dynamicsWhich occupations will be most disrupted?Current landscape of AI adoption and impact on job securityWhat are the gender dynamics at play in disruption?The importance of honest conversations with staff Key Takeaways - Part 2How to disrupt yourself before the AI doesTop Occupations Most Exposed to AI Displacement RiskGeneral ClerksRetail ManagersSoftware & Applications ProgrammersAccountantsReceptionistsContract, Program & Project AdministratorsAccounting ClerksPurchasing & Supply Logistics ClerksAdvertising & Marketing ProfessionalsCheckout Operators & Office Cashiers Top Occupations Least Exposed to AI Displacement RiskAged & Disabled CarersElectriciansTruck DriversChild CarersCommercial CleanersCarpenters & JoinersMetal Fitters & MachinistsPlumbersGardenersForklift Drivers Source:AI and Employment Australia published in July 2026 by the Department of Employment and Workplace Relations Where's Pamela?Linked In: linkedin.com/in/pamelamfrost Adapt and Thrive Website: https://adaptandthrive.ai/If you are in a career that's at risk of displacement, Pamela is looking to work with people who want to reimagine their relevance by road-testing her new AI software tool (called Crystal) to see if it helps your situation. You can either create a log in yourself (link above) or connect with her on LinkedIn to participate. Hitchhiker’s Guide to AI Governance Hosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who helps companies confidently adopt the 42 Statements of the Australian AI governance standard. Check out our articles on Substack: https://hhgtaig.substack.com/To learn more, visit his website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.au If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating, leave a comment and follow us for more episodes.So long and thanks for all the listening. -
Episode 10 Part 1 Pamela Frost - Disrupt Yourself Before the AI Does (aka reimagine your relevance) 12.07.2026 36minDon’t panic. In this engaging two part episode, I picked up Career Transition expert, Pamela Frost. Pamela has thirty years of expertise across capability assessment, talent management, career transition coaching, leadership development and employee engagement. Pamela is the founder and CEO of Adapt and Thrive, a multi-tool, multi-layered AI platform enabling people to realise their potential and develop the capabilities required to navigate an emerging future. Pamela's tools enable people to disrupt themselves, and be well ahead of the AI displacement curve. Key Takeaways - Part 1The realities of worker displacement on careers and workplace dynamicsWhich occupations will be most disrupted?Current landscape of AI adoption and impact on job securityWhat are the gender dynamics at play in disruption?The importance of honest conversations with staff Key Takeaways - Part 2How to disrupt yourself before the AI doesTop Occupations Most Exposed to AI Displacement RiskGeneral ClerksRetail ManagersSoftware & Applications ProgrammersAccountantsReceptionistsContract, Program & Project AdministratorsAccounting ClerksPurchasing & Supply Logistics ClerksAdvertising & Marketing ProfessionalsCheckout Operators & Office Cashiers Top Occupations Least Exposed to AI Displacement RiskAged & Disabled CarersElectriciansTruck DriversChild CarersCommercial CleanersCarpenters & JoinersMetal Fitters & MachinistsPlumbersGardenersForklift Drivers Source:AI and Employment Australia published in July 2026 by the Department of Employment and Workplace Relations Where's Pamela?Linked In: linkedin.com/in/pamelamfrost Adapt and Thrive Website: https://adaptandthrive.ai/ If you are in a career that's at risk of displacement, Pamela is looking to work with people who want to reimagine their relevance by road-testing her new AI software tool (called Crystal) to see if it helps your situation. You can either create a log in yourself (link above) or connect with her on LinkedIn to participate. Hitchhiker’s Guide to AI Governance Hosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who helps companies confidently adopt the 42 Statements of the Australian AI governance standard. To learn more, visit his website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.au If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating, leave a comment and follow us for more episodes.So long and thanks for all the listening! -
Episode 9 Part 1 Phyllis Elin - Bringing Information Governance into the AI era 29.06.2026 50minDon’t panic. In this episode I picked up Information Governance expert, Phyllis Elin.With over three decades of senior information governance leadership, Phyllis Elin helps her global clients create, deploy, and maintain defensible and cost-saving information governance strategies.After 30 years, she's now preparing to bring Information Governance into the AI era.Key TakeawaysThe importance of records management is highlighted through various unique experiences.Privacy and compliance are paramount in information governance.The tragic events of 9/11 led to increased awareness of data management.Organizations must prepare for AI implementation carefully.Developing a records retention schedule is crucial for effective governance.Challenges in document management persist despite technological advancements.The foundation of all work is the records retention schedule.AI may not provide reliable information for records retention rules.Organisations must prepare their data before implementing AI.Smart scanning and shredding are essential for effective document management.Where's Phyllis? You can find her here:Linked In: linkedin.com/in/phylliselinWebsite: knowledgepreservation.comHitchhiker’s Guide to AI Governance Hosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who helps companies confidently adopt the 42 Statements of the Australian AI governance standard. Check out his articles on Substack: https://hhgtaig.substack.com/To learn more, visit his website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.au If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating, leave a comment and follow us for more episodes.So long and thanks for all the listening! -
Episode 8 Gerry McCusker - Never let a good AI crisis go to waste 10.06.2026 1uDon’t panic. In this episode I picked up Crisis Expert, Gerry McCusker.Gerry McCusker is the driving force behind The Drill, unique software for crisis simulation training.Gerry talks about:AI Risks Are Often Old Risks in New PackagingFocus on Consequences, Not the TechnologyAI Amplifies Existing Organisational WeaknessesOrganisations Need Business Continuity and Crisis Planning for AICrisis Preparedness Requires Practice, Not Just DocumentationHuman Judgment Remains CriticalWhere's Gerry? You can find him here:Linked In: linkedin.com/in/gerrymccuskermscprWebsite: https://www.thedrill.com.au/Nigel Farage bank controversy Gerry mentioned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage_Coutts_bank_scandalGerry's lucky quote: Perhaps our eyes need to be washed by our tears once in a while, so that we can see life with a clearer view again.Hitchhiker’s Guide to AI Governance Hosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who helps companies confidently adopt the 42 Statements of the Australian AI governance standard. Check out our articles on Substack: https://hhgtaig.substack.com/To watch this podcast on Youtube: Hitchhikers podTo learn more, visit his website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.au If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating, leave a comment and follow us for more episodes.So long and thanks for all the listening! -
Episode 6 Part 2 Professor Michael Davern - An academic perspective on being human in an AI craze 20.05.2026 48minDon’t panic. In this Part 2 episode I picked up Professor Michael Davern. Michael is the Professor of Accounting & Business Information Systems at the prestigious University of Melbourne. Michael has been working with AI since the 1990s and his depth of knowledge and experience in applying AI to real world problems is indeed, exceptional. Michael tells me about: AI Does Not Remove Human Responsibility AI Is Powerful, But Most People Don’t Understand It The Most Important Skill Is Human Judgment AI Is Best Used as Augmentation, Not Full Automation AI Governance Is Primarily a Culture Problem AI Will Change Professional Development and Entry-Level Work Experienced Professionals May Be Better Positioned to Lead AI Adoption Asking the Right Question Matters More Than Finding Fast Answers Learn more about Michael Michael on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-davern-62274328/ The Sh!t Happens Quote: In school, you're taught the lesson and then you're tested. In life, you're given a test that teaches you a lesson. Hitchhiker’s Guide to AI Governance Hosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who helps them confidently adopt the 42 Statements of the Australian AI governance standard. Check out his articles on Substack: https://hhgtaig.substack.com/To learn more, visit his website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.au If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating and follow us for more episodes. -
Episode 7 Duncan Brett - A vendor's perspective on being an intelligence company 27.05.2026 41minDon’t panic. In this episode I picked up COO Duncan Brett. Duncan is the successful Chief Operating Officer at Decidr AI. Duncan shares his perspectives about these topics: - AI is Really About “Intelligence”, Not Just Models- Governance, Sovereignty & Trust Are Becoming Core Business Issues - Businesses Are Racing Into AI Without Foundations - Department-Led AI Could Create Chaos - Human + AI = Repurposing, Not Replacement - AI Adoption is Primarily a Cultural Leadership Challenge Learn more about DuncanDuncan on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/duncanbrettDecidr website: https://www.decidr.ai/The Sh!t Happens Quote: Sometimes you're the windscreen. Sometimes you’re the mosquito. Hitchhiker’s Guide to AI Governance Hosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who helps companies confidently adopt the 42 Statements of the Australian AI governance standard. Check out our articles on Substack: https://hhgtaig.substack.com/To watch this podcast on Youtube: Hitchhikers podTo learn more, visit his website:www.aigovernancepartners.com.au If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating, leave a comment and follow us for more episodes. -
Episode 6 Part 1 Professor Michael Davern - An academic perspective on being human in an AI craze 14.05.2026 31minDon’t panic. In this episode I picked up Professor Michael Davern. Michael is the Professor of Accounting & Business Information Systems at the prestigious University of Melbourne. Michael has been working with AI since the 1990s and his depth of knowledge and experience in applying AI to real world human problems is indeed, exceptional. Michael chats about these topics:Asking the Right Question Matters More Than Finding Fast AnswersAI Does Not Remove Human ResponsibilityAI Is Powerful — But Most People Don’t Understand ItThe Most Important Skill Is Human JudgmentAI Is Best Used as Augmentation, Not Full AutomationAI Governance Is Primarily a Culture ProblemAI Will Change Professional Development and Entry-Level WorkExperienced Professionals May Be Better Positioned to Lead AI AdoptionLearn more about Michael Michael on LinkedIn: Michael DavernMichael's article: The Conversation: AI threatens to eat business softwareThe Sh!t Happens Quote: In school, you're taught the lesson and then you're tested. In life, you're given a test that teaches you a lesson. Hitchhiker’s Guide to AI Governance Hosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who helps companies confidently adopt the 42 Statements of the Australian AI governance standard. Check out our articles on Substack: https://hhgtaig.substack.com/To watch this podcast on Youtube: Hitchhikers podTo learn more, visit our website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.au If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating, leave a comment and follow us for more episodes. -
Episode 5 Jacinta Whelan - AI is the opportunity of a lifetime to design the career you want 08.05.2026 53minDon’t panic. In this episode I picked up Jacinta Whelan. Jacinta is the eminently successful lead Partner at Watermark Search Melbourne. Jacinta specialises in placing seasoned C-Suite professionals in organisations for specific missions rather than permanent roles. Jacinta talks about AI as the opportunity of a lifetime, it all depends on how you look at it: AI adoption for older workers is primarily an attitude, not an age thing Leaders cannot outsource their AI understanding - they require hands-on engagement with AI tools and workflows. AI is reshaping work by automating routine tasks, allowing us humans to focus on higher-value workOrganisations are moving toward “human + agent” operating models Functional business leaders (HR, marketing, finance, procurement, etc.) are becoming increasingly responsible for AI adoption within their own domains, rather than leaving AI solely to IT teams. Change management is emerging as one of the biggest barriers to AI adoption. Continuous learning and staying current with AI developments is now essential. Recruitment and talent management are evolving rapidly.Despite fears around AI disruption the future is bright. AI is another major technological shift that can augment human capability if guided with strong governance, ethics, and human judgment.Learn more about Jacinta Whelan Connect on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jacintad Listen to her Podcast: The Portfolio Pod - Podcast | TheInterimExecutive Read her famous book: About | The Interim Executive Visit her website:http://www.watermarksearch.com.au The Sh!t Happens Quote: Everything is OK in the end. If it's not OK, then it's not the end. Hitchhiker’s Guide to AI Governance Hosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who helps companies confidently adopt the 42 Statements of the Australian AI Governance Standard. Check out his articles on Substack: https://hhgtaig.substack.com/To watch this podcast on Youtube: Hitchhikers podTo learn more, visit his website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.au If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating and follow us for more episodes from around the galaxy. -
Episode 4 Philip Cornish - An AI perspective from the community sector 25.04.2026 29minDon’t panic. In this episode I picked up Phil Cornish. Philip, our resident human in the loop, has over twenty years of board level experience across the commercial, government and not for profit sectors with particular experience in the community sector as a Board Chair. Phil shares his AI perspectives in the context of a life well lived serving community and health organisations for his entire career. Learn more about PhilipPhilip Cornish on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/philipcornishHis company website: DK Sonin & Associates: Our teamBook recommendation: Going On and On: Why Our Longevity Threatens the Future by Lucinda HoldforthMicrosoft's "Sydney" AI fiasco in 2023: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_(Microsoft)Hitchhiker’s Guide to AI GovernanceHosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who partners with organisations to help them confidently adopt the Australian AI governance standard. Check out his articles on Substack: https://hhgtaig.substack.com/To watch this podcast on Youtube: Hitchhikers podTo learn more about what we do, visit our website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.auIf you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating and follow us for more episodes. -
Episode 3 Neil Butler - Reinventing Change Management for the AI era 17.04.2026 46minDon’t panic. Today, I speak with Neil Butler from Untypical, a boutique change management consulting practice. Neil has been delivery change for over 30 years across Australia and believes most of the way organisations do change is too process driven. We need stronger change leaders, less artefacts and a relentless focus on the outcomes we want to enable lasting change. Neil shares his philosophy on why change has to change, to better prepare organisations for the AI era. Neil brings to life these interesting topics:How every company will transition to AI but only a handful will get the outcomes they want out of itWhy change leadership is more important than a change management processWhy an over-reliance on AI orchestrating change will get you into troubleHuman engagement is now more important than communicationsWhy his generation (over 50+) are best placed to manage the AI transition Learn more about NeilNeil Butler on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/neilabutlerChange change website: Change Change | The Art of TransformaginationChange change the book: https://changechange.au/book/ Hitchhiker’s Guide to AI GovernanceHosted by AI Governance Partner, Bruce Mullan, who partners with organisations to help them confidently adopt the Australian AI governance standard. Check out our articles on Substack: https://hhgtaig.substack.com/To learn more about what we do, visit our website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.auIf you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating and follow us for more episodes. -
Episode 2 Ambrion AI - AI Governance must be built in, not added on 14.04.2026 1u 6minDon’t panic. Today I speak with John Webb-O'Rourke and Shane McCarthy from Ambrion AI, an Irish intelligence company purpose built for the AI era. In this lively conversation, John and Shane share their starkly different AI Governance journeys, describe the state of AI governance transition in Ireland and the EU, share their recent AI successes along with some lamentable flaws of well-known AI tools. I found these topics thoroughly interesting:Why you should hire people aged 55+ to lead your AI transition and adoptionWhy you should personally use AI every dayWhy you can't trust any large language model even if the AI says "trust me".How AI tools can now hack into a system better than a human canWhy AI systems and their governance needs to be built together but in parallel with your existing traditional systems (which will eventually be taken over)How agentic AI governance should exactly mimic real world management controlsHow AI capability overhang and AI adoption influences competitive advantageAnd why you can't bring a horse to a Formula 1 race.Resource RecommendationsGarbage in Gospel out - the practitioners workbook for transforming AI governance - https://www.amazon.com.au/Garbage-Gospel-Out-Practitioners-Transforming-ebook/dp/B0GGM6FRH5 Digital Transformation Agency 42 Statements - https://www.digital.gov.au/policy/ai/AI-technical-standard Learn more about John and ShaneJohn Webb-O'Rourke on LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/john-webb-o-rourke-219b4315Shane McCarthy on LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/shanemcsocialAmbrion AI website: https://ambrion.ai/Hitchhiker’s Guide to AI Governance Each episode, we’ll be talking with the people who are actually trying to write, challenge, and implement the rules of AI: policymakers and regulators wrestling with rapidly changing technology, researchers and ethicists asking how to align powerful systems with human values, industry leaders navigating safety, competition, and responsibility, and civil society voices making sure we don’t forget the humans in the loop. Hosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who partners with organisations to help them confidently adopt the Australian AI governance standard. Check out our articles on Substack: https://hhgtaig.substack.com/To learn more about what we do, visit our website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.auIf you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating and follow us for future episodes. -
Episode 1 Dr Darryl Carlton - Garbage In, Gospel Out 07.04.2026 41minDon’t panic. Today I speak with Dr Darryl Carlton, author of 8 books including his latest and most successful: Garbage in gospel out, the practitioners workbook for transforming AI governance. In this in-depth interview, Dr Darryl Carlton shares his 50+ years of experience in AI, discussing the evolution of AI systems, governance challenges, and practical advice for leaders navigating the AI landscape. He highlights the importance of built-in governance, the pitfalls of overhyped AI concepts, and the future of agentic commerce. Resource RecommendationsThe Machine That Changed the World - The Story of Lean Production - https://www.amazon.com.au/Machine-That-Changed-World/dp/0743299795 Improving Performance: How to manage the white space on the organization chart - https://www.amazon.com/Improving-Performance-Organization-Jossey-Bass-management/dp/1555422144 Garbage in Gospel out - the practitioners workbook for transforming AI governance - https://www.amazon.com.au/Garbage-Gospel-Out-Practitioners-Transforming-ebook/dp/B0GGM6FRH5 Digital Transformation Agency 42 Statements - https://www.digital.gov.au/policy/ai/AI-technical-standard Learn more about Dr Darryl Carlton Dr Darryl Carlton on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/darrylcarltonVendeex Agentic Commerce website: https://www.vendeex.com/ About The Hitchhiker’s Guide to AI Governance Each episode, we’ll be talking with the people who are actually trying to write, challenge, and implement the rules of AI: - policymakers and regulators wrestling with rapidly changing technology, - researchers and ethicists asking how to align powerful systems with human values, - industry leaders navigating safety, competition, and responsibility, - and civil society voices making sure we don’t forget the humans in the loop. Hosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who partners with organisations to help them confidently adopt the Australian AI governance standard. Check out Bruce's articles on Substack: https://hhgtaig.substack.com/To learn more about what we do, visit our website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.auSo long and thanks for all the listening.
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