The NAVigator

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  John Cole Scott on Q2 and the rest of '26 for closed-end funds, BDCs 24.07.2026 15min

  John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, provides takeaways from the second quarter for closed-end funds and business-development companies, noting that the trend was for investors to make most of their money on net asset values rather than narrowing discounts, which creates potential for a strong second half of 2026 if there is an uptick in investor sentiment. Scott, the chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, brought forward data from his firm's quarterly outlook presentation this week, noting that it shows that while headline risks have hurt BDC prices, underlying strength should make for a strong rebound later in the year, particularly as the actions of the Federal Reserve become more clear.
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  XA's DiBernardo on why worried investors should consider covered calls now 17.07.2026 14min

  Ray DiBernardo, Portfolio Manager for the XAI Madison Equity Premium Income fund, says he's concerned about the market's valuation levels — noting that it "has been expensive for quite some time" — and while he is not expecting "dark clouds and a horrible environment," there's more downside risk, which could lead to market compression that puts covered-call strategies back into the spotlight as a defensive play. DiBernardo, an analyst at Madison Investments, says the proliferation of options strategies should make investors more diligent about exploring strategies, and he discusses single-stock options versus index options and the risk-reward picture with each. DiBernardo notes that covered-call strategies aren't right for people "who believe the market will keep going straight up from here," but he notes that for nervous investors, the options strategy acts like portfolio insurance and the discount on a closed-end fund can help to make up for the upside potential that the strategy trades for that protection.
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  Gold fund manager Merk on ASA's fight with activist investors 10.07.2026 16min

  Axel Merk, President and Chief Investment Officer at Merk Investments, discusses Saba Capital's activist campaign that got him ousted as portfolio manager and president of ASA Gold and Precious Metals Ltd., a closed-end fund that was up nearly 200% last year but that still was branded with the label of being a "poor performer." Merk, who took over the closed end fund in 2016 and helped to nearly quadruple its assets in the last decade, says new management has no experience running a gold fund, and is only interested in narrowing the discount and generating fees for itself. He filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission and made other efforts to save the fund, but says any form of salvation is unlikely at this point. He also discusses prospects for the gold market, which has cooled significantly this year.
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  Gabelli's Dreyer on why sports and value picks are an antidote to A.I. obsession 02.07.2026 13min

  Kevin Dreyer, Co-Chief Investment Officer for value at Gabelli Asset Management, says that there are plenty of values left in a market that has returned to record levels, particularly when valuing stocks based on "what an informed industrialist or buyer would pay to buy the whole business." Dreyer, part of the team running Gabelli Equity Trust and some of the firm's other closed-end funds, says that finding businesses that are "A.I. resilient" and able to withstand and/or benefit from the development of artificial intelligence is important now, and he noted that sports teams are a big draw in that regard because " You can't have an algorithm or chatbot replicate the New York Knicks … but you and I can go out and buy MSGS, which owns the Knicks." 
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  CEF Data's Scott on the takeaways from Dechert's Private Credit Summit 26.06.2026 13min

  John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, attended the Private Credit Summit hosted this week in New York City by Dechert LLP, and came away with a sense that private-credit markets have not yet gotten to the overheated levels that could turn investor fears of a blow-up into a financial reality. Scott, also the chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, discusses "stress tests" that Fitch Ratings did on some large perpetual business development companies to see how they would perform if market conditions changed dramatically, and found that the BDCs did not break under severe conditions. He also discusses how insurance companies putting money into the private credit and BDC industries is changing underwriting standards, adding a measure of safety that he says all private credit investors are likely to benefit from. Plus, he discusses his sense of where the market is in its current cycle, based on what he heard from institutional investors who were in attendance.
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  Landmark Supreme Court decision is a game-changer for investor activism 18.06.2026 16min

  Ken Burdon, Partner in the registered fund practice at Simpson Thacher & Bartlett, discusses the Supreme Court's recent ruling against activist investor Saba Capital, a decision that could have a chilling effect on shareholder activism in the future. Burdon says the decision removes a key path based on the Investment Company Act of 1940 that activists took in pursuing cases over fund fees and structure. It doesn't stop the activists from pursuing cases, but makes it harder to do so, forcing them into state courts. Critics of activism have long held that professional arbitrageurs used federal courts to pressure closed-end funds into transactions that benefit activists' short term profit agenda at the expense of the long-term returns and investment objectives that the majority of investors pursued when buying into a specific closed-end fund.
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  In a tight-spread, higher-for-longer rate market, discounts matter again 12.06.2026 14min

  John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, says that index discounts are wide when compared to their three-year history, which makes it important for investors to find names where wide discounts are supported by improving fundamentals. Scott, who also is chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, says that both the national muni CEF index and the taxable bond CEF index have seen wider discounts that have "flipped relative values" especially given current economic conditions. Using his firm's "trifecta analysis," Scott examines four funds that he sees as the right kind of opportunities now.
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  Bluerock's Baffico says HALO trades will benefit from Private Credit Redemptions 05.06.2026 14min

  Steve Baffico, Executive Vice President and head of listed products at Bluerock, which runs the Bluerock Private Real Estate fund, expects the real estate market to benefit as money moves from private credit , business-development companies and direct-lending strategies in pursuit of something with "hard assets and low obsolescence." That HALO trade should drive growth moving forward; Baffico discusses what the fund is focused on as it continues its transition from an interval fund to being a closed-end fund. That journey has included four hikes in distributions over the last four months, and Baffico says he explains what the firm is doing to quickly reach its target distribution rate of 8 to 8.5 percent.
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  Kayne's Hamilton: 'Historic' oil drawdowns create energy infrastructure opportunities 29.05.2026 14min

  Gordon Hamilton, Senior Managing Director for Kayne Anderson, Portfolio Manager for the Kayne Anderson Energy Infrastructure fund, says that there will be a big call on U.S. energy infrastructure companies to meet global demand for propane, butane, crude oil and natural gas as the world gets through the current energy crisis created by war in Iran. Coupled with an energy "supercycle" driven by artificial-intelligence needs, it is creating a positive long-term demand picture where infrastructure should be able to have persistent performance even if current events or A.I. expectations add concerns to the market.
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  Sit's Doty says rates will rise, peak and shift downward by year's end 22.05.2026 17min

  Bryce Doty, Senior Portfolio Manager at Sit Investment Associates, says that "the worst is over as far as yields going up," noting that the next shift could be down, but he calls the conditions "tricky" and emphasizes that investors "need to be in the right part of the curve." Doty's case hinges on oil prices;  if oil stays below $110, it's viewed as inflationary, but above that level "we have a problem, and so does the rest of the world." At that point, central banks will have to cut rates to "save economies from disaster." Doty, whose team manages $2.7 billion in closed-end fund-of-funds for separate accounts, likes two-year TIPS, municipal bonds and high-yield corporate bonds. He also discusses the IPO market, closed-end rights offerings and the quality of private credit investments.
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  CEF Advisors' Scott breaks down how bad news has impacted BDCs 15.05.2026 12min

  John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors and the Chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, looks at the recent issues in business-development companies, which got hammered in March as the market punished software investments, including lenders who made loans to software firms. While BDCs rebounded in April, they remain significantly down, and Scott discusses how the companies with the biggest troubles have higher yields and bigger discounts, but the top performers are delivering a better return on equity and are the better, safer bet while the industry gets through the current rough patch.
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  Calamos' Freund: Concerns are 'distractions,' not market impediments 08.05.2026 16min

  Matt Freund, Co-Chief Investment Officer at Calamos Investments, says that productivity, GDP growth and earnings are "what matters," and that the headline risks that are driving consumer sentiment are "distractions" from a market backdrop that is solid. He says inflation remains the big risk, but notes that the investor sentiment is creating opportunities, particularly in closed-end funds, and especially in senior loans and high-yield bonds, where discounts have widened this year.
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  Enduring investment lessons from the legendary Mark Mobius 01.05.2026 17min

  Dr. Mark Mobius, widely considered the father of emerging markets investor and a man who helped put the world into everyone's grasp during his long career running funds at Templeton, passed away in mid-April. John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, recounts Mobius' legacy and lasting lessons by digging into interviews conducted by his father, George Cole Scott, Founder of the Closed-End Fund Letter, with Mobius over the decades. Scott, the chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, makes sure to include why Mobius felt that the closed-end fund structure was particularly useful for emerging markets investors following his value-oriented strategy.
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  Liberty Street's Gutierrez on private investment trends in A.I. 24.04.2026 15min

  David Gutierrez, Vice President at Liberty Street Advisors and part of the team running the Private Shares Fund, says that private markets are similar enough to public markets that artificial intelligence is now one of the big sweet spots in both. However, he says the best opportunities involve infrastructure more than AI itself. Gutierrez notes that the Private Shares Fund—an actively managed, continuously offered closed-end interval fund investing in late-stage venture capital and private company opportunities—is focusing heavily on AI infrastructure right now. For instance, he explains how the shift from copper-based to optical-based networking in servers has become an investable trend, and how this trend depends not on AI performance but rather on the demand for more AI technology support. Gutierrez also discusses shifting trends in how long private companies are waiting before going public, and how geopolitics could be impacting private firms. 
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  Veteran manager says that for all the headline risks, this is a 'generic widening' 17.04.2026 12min

  Rob Shaker, Portfolio Manager at Shaker Financial Services, says that while the headlines may have investors on edge, the fear-based selling that gripped the market around the start of war in Iran created a "generic widening" of discounts for closed-end funds. Shaker, who is a "discount-capture investor," says the current widening and recovery was caused mostly by "the irrational effects of excessive selling pressures overall," which means that the bad news is not creating fundamental problems for industries so much as temporary issues affecting share values. He says we could see more generic widening and narrowing until the market gets clarity on the headlines.
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  Despite scary headlines, low-A.I.-risk BDCs are worth a new look now 10.04.2026 13min

  With the market kicking business-development companies in the teeth, John Cole Scott , President of CEF Advisors, digs into his firm's data looking at "artificial-intelligence risk scoring" to find BDCs that have been hurt by headlines without holding tainted portfolios. BDCs relied heavily on software companies, due to the tech sector's blend of strong fundamentals, innovation and ability to resist economic fluctuations, but have suffered as investors fear for the future of software in the face of challenges from artificial-intelligence companies. Scott, who also serves as chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, went looking for BDC's with "low AI risk, clean credit and sensible leverage and costs," and came away from the analysis convinced that investors should lean into the troubles. Specifically, he mentions funds from Nuveen and Kayne Anderson as worth watching now.
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  Nuveen's Weyandt on why current events make listed real assets look good 02.04.2026 16min

  Matt Weyandt, a client Portfolio Manager on the listed real assets team at Nuveen, discusses how buying "location-specific hard assets" in essential industries that deliver to a "Halo theme" — heavy asset, low obsolescence — creates a buffer against a market that is being driven by headlines and geopolitical risks. Weyandt says that real estate, infrastructure, utilities, midstream energy companies, communications and commodities are not immune to the headlines, but they are built to deliver regardless of market conditions, and he discusses Nuveen's wide range of options for accessing those assets through closed-end funds.
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  XA's Flynn on how private credit market is challenging BDCs, interval funds 27.03.2026 15min

  Kim Flynn, president at XA Investments, a firm that specializes in alternative investments, says recent private-credit bad news events have widened discounts and raised concerns over business-development companies and interval funds, but have likely created a buy-the-dip moment in the industry. She discusses how fund sponsors and advisers must do a better job educating investors on how these products get through worrisome times, but says she does not think the headlines or their attendant challenges on direct lenders will discourage yield-hungry private-credit investors in the long run. 
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  John Cole Scott on how headline risks are impacting closed-end funds 20.03.2026 14min

  John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, says that closed-end funds are being buffeted in two directions due to current headlines, with war in Iran impacting net asset values and anchored interest rates impacting levered closed-end funds and discounts shifting to reflect both situations. Scott, who also serves as the Chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, says sectors that have benefitted from the chaos have been MPL and energy funds, while business-development companies and CLO equity funds have suffered. Scott also put his firm's "Trifecta analysis" to work, with four funds to consider now: ticker symbols AFB, ARDC, CSQ and MEGI.
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  Aberdeen's Gilhooly says oil could quickly reach $175 per barrel 13.03.2026 14min

  Robert Gilhooly, Senior Emerging Markets Economist at Aberdeen Investments, says that the continuing war in Iran has put pressure on oil prices, but he expects them to stabilize short-term while the market determines what happens next. If the outlook becomes one where the Straits of Hormuz are closed off to shipments for a longer stretch of time, he says "If things get really bad, you could be talking $175 for a barrel of oil." Gilhooly discusses the investment adage that the first shots of war signal a time to buy, and says that investors likely will see solid opportunities, but that they might want to wait a little longer for more clarity if they didn't jump in with the very first shots.  He also discusses how tensions should be good for income-producing investments like closed-end funds.