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  How To Become A Talent Engineer (Recruiting's New AI Role) 17.08.2026 1t 23min

  Has AI actually helped you make more placements this year, or has it just been noise? Before you dive in, this is your last call for The Recruiting Agents Workshop with Seb Sharp, August 25 and 26. Two live build-along sessions where you will create an autonomous lead agent, a placement agent, and connect your entire tech stack, plus recordings, templates, and a week of Slack access to Seb after the sessions end. Grab your seat now: https://the-recruiting-agents-workshop.heysummit.com/ In this episode Benjamin Mena sits down with Dan McCarthy, Senior Talent Engineer at Zapier and one of the founding members of the a16z Talent Engineer Fellowship, to break down recruiting's newest role and how you can step into it before the rest of the industry catches on. Dan's path into this seat is anything but typical. He was a jazz musician, a New York bartender, a wine educator, and a CrossFit gym owner in Brooklyn before Shopify hired him into tech recruiting at 40 years old. He had never heard of an org chart. By his own telling, he led the entire engineering recruiting team in hires his very first quarter. Two layoffs later he landed at Zapier, where he was handed a blank canvas: build our talent intelligence function. What he built instead of dashboards is the heart of this conversation. Dan walks through the talent intelligence MCP he assembled in about a month using completely free APIs, including Indeed Hiring Lab, the Department of Labor, O*NET, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and WARN Act data, so recruiters walk into every intake call armed with real compensation numbers, competitor hiring activity, and talent pool data. Then he gets specific about the agency version: what a solo recruiter or a two person shop can stand up over a single weekend to change their next client pitch. Benjamin and Dan also get into the ego build problem on LinkedIn and why screenshots of tools built yesterday are making everyone feel further behind than they actually are, the difference between building to learn and building to ship, who is reviewing your code and updating your API keys, whether a three person agency could really bill five to ten million dollars with a builder in one of the seats (Dan's honest answer: possible, but probably not in the next six to twelve months), the sales engineer ratio that may be coming to recruiting teams, and why Dan completely changed his mind about AI interview screens. If you have ever felt too far behind to start building, this episode is your permission slip. As Dan puts it, nobody is behind. This is day one. ⚡ The Recruiting Agents Workshop with Seb Sharp (August 25-26): https://the-recruiting-agents-workshop.heysummit.com/ 🚀 Finish The Year Strong 2026 (Sept 28-Oct 5): https://recruiters-finish-the-year-strong.heysummit.com/ 🤖 Atlas: https://recruitwithatlas.com/ 🔗 Connect with Dan McCarthy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/iamdanmccarthy/ 🎙 Join the Elite Recruiter Community: https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community 📩 Subscribe to the newsletter: https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe
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  $1.5M To $6M While Everyone Watched Their Inbox Die 13.08.2026 1t 3min

  4X Growth While Everyone Watched Their Inbox Die. Want to actually make money with AI instead of just talking about it? Join me and Seb Sharp for The Recruiting Agents Workshop, August 25th and 26th. Two live build-along sessions where you will create your own autonomous lead agent and placement agent, connect your entire tech stack, and walk away with recordings, templates, and a week of Slack access to Seb. Grab your spot: https://the-recruiting-agents-workshop.heysummit.com/ And mark your calendar for the Finish The Year Strong 2026 Virtual Summit, September 28th through October 5th. The best in the industry sharing exactly how they plan to close out the year on top so you can do the same. Register free: https://recruiters-finish-the-year-strong.heysummit.com/ This episode is brought to you by Atlas, the CRM that actually understands context. Atlas captures every interview, client call, LinkedIn message, email, and WhatsApp automatically, then tells you the next action to take. Atlas customers are reporting 50 percent higher candidate response rates, 35 percent more new clients won, and 15 hours saved every week. Check it out at https://recruitwithatlas.com/ Everyone watched their inbox die. The cold emails that used to land now get deleted in half a second because hiring managers can smell AI from a mile away. While most agencies doubled down on the very channel that was failing them, Brian Abrams took his boutique project management staffing firm in the completely opposite direction. He went old school. Real handshakes, real conversations, real presence. The result? He 4Xd his revenue over the last few years, and he now attributes 30 to 40 percent of his gross profit to one channel almost no staffing firm takes seriously: industry conferences. In this episode Brian lays out his entire conference playbook with zero secrets held back. You will hear the four part system he has refined over a decade: how he builds his year long conference slate and decides which events actually deserve his marketing dollars, the pre work almost nobody does including the exact no pressure LinkedIn message he sends 30 days out, how he works the floor and captures every quality conversation before it evaporates, and the follow up cadence that turned a thirty second booth chat into one of his biggest clients ever. You will also hear the story behind the legendary Run PMO shirts, why 1,500 of them disappear by day two of every conference, the moment a flight attendant asked Brian if he had just come from a concert, and the sneak peek at what his team is bringing to Detroit this fall. Plus the honest stuff: the mistakes that cost him money, the booth tactics that flopped, why being memorable beats being everywhere, and his advice for any recruiter thinking about going out on their own. If your BD strategy is drowning in an ocean of ignored AI messages, this is the episode that shows you the door everyone else forgot exists. Because while your competitors fight for inbox attention, the decision makers are standing right there at the conference in your niche, waiting to meet someone real. Finish The Year Strong 2026 Virtual Summit: https://recruiters-finish-the-year-strong.heysummit.com/ The Recruiting Agents Workshop: https://the-recruiting-agents-workshop.heysummit.com/ 🎧 Listen to the full episode: 🤝 Connect with Brian Abrams: https://www.linkedin.com/in/babramspmo/ 💼 Atlas: https://recruitwithatlas.com/ 🚀 Join the Elite Recruiter Community: https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community 📧 Subscribe to the newsletter: https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe
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  How To Build A $1.5 Million Desk With No College Degree 10.08.2026 1t 10min

  Before we get into it: The Recruiting Agents Workshop with Seb Sharp is happening August 25th and 26th. Two live build-along sessions where you will build an autonomous lead agent, a placement agent, and wire your entire tech stack together, with recordings, templates, and a full week of Slack access to Seb included. Sign up here: https://the-recruiting-agents-workshop.heysummit.com/ This episode is sponsored by Atlas, the CRM that actually understands context. Atlas captures every interview, client call, email, and LinkedIn message automatically, then tells you the next action to take. Atlas customers are reporting 50% higher candidate response rates, 15 hours saved every week, and monthly billings jumping 85%. Learn more at https://recruitwithatlas.com/ What happens when the only way forward is outworking every degree in the room? David Fishman spent eight years in the Coast Guard, started on a temp desk, and launched Sparrow Company in 2009 when the alternative was going broke. Thirty years into the business, his desk regularly produces $1.5 million a year, his longest client relationship has lasted three decades, and he recently ran a streak where ten straight presentations turned into ten placements. First candidate presented, first candidate hired, ten times in a row. In this conversation, David breaks down how he built all of it without a college degree and why the chip on his shoulder became his biggest advantage. He shares the intake questions that shape every search, explains why he reads a resume like a photograph, and reveals how patience let him win back clients he lost three or four times by simply outliving the tenure of the HR leaders who cut him. He also unpacks why he stopped tracking dollars and started tracking deals, how the wave cycles of recruiting punish anyone who gets comfortable, and why the first three days of your week decide whether you have any momentum left by the next Monday. You will also hear how David expanded into the temp business by recruiting his own business partner, what it means to have his son and daughter working inside the company, and why at 58 he still wakes up feeling like something is chasing him. What You'll Learn: The resume-reading method behind a 10-for-10 presentation-to-placement streakThe intake questions that tell you if the wind is at your back or you are digging through mudHow to win back a lost client by outliving the tenure of the person who cut youWhy tracking deals instead of dollars protects you from the summer complacency trapThe Monday-through-Wednesday work rhythm that keeps your momentum aliveHow to turn a no-degree chip on your shoulder into a 30-year career Sign up for The Recruiting Agents Workshop (Aug 25-26): 🤖 https://the-recruiting-agents-workshop.heysummit.com/ Finish The Year Strong 2026 Summit (Sept 28 - Oct 5): 🚀 https://recruiters-finish-the-year-strong.heysummit.com/ Atlas: 🔗 https://recruitwithatlas.com/ Connect with David Fishman on LinkedIn: 🔗 https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-fishman-b468112/ Join the Elite Recruiter Community: 🚀 https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community Subscribe to the Elite Recruiter Newsletter: 📩 https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe
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  The Inner Work That Made Her A Million Dollar Biller 03.08.2026 1t 17min

  Recruiters, do not limp into December. The Finish The Year Strong 2026 virtual summit runs September 28 through October 5, with the top producers and leaders in recruiting, including Pinnacle Society's Michelle Flynn, sharing exactly what is working right now to close the year with momentum. Grab your spot: https://recruiters-finish-the-year-strong.heysummit.com/ This episode is brought to you by Atlas, the CRM that actually understands context. Atlas captures every interview, client call, email, and message automatically, then tells you the next action to take. Agencies building on Atlas are reporting 50 percent higher candidate response rates and monthly billings jumping 85 percent. See it for yourself at https://recruitwithatlas.com/ What actually separates a recruiter who plateaus in the mid six figures from one who breaks a million? Kimberly Laipple spent years stuck between $500K and $600K before she found the answer, and it was not a new sourcing tool or a script. In this episode she tells the story most top billers never tell, starting with the moment at 18 when, as a pregnant single mom, someone told her she would never get a degree. She went on to survive foreclosure, stand in line at food banks to feed her kids, and pour herself into a recruiting desk at Scientific Search, the firm she joined 18 years ago as a recruiter and now leads as president. Kimberly personally billed $1.4 million in her best year while running a team of nearly 20, and she is one of only 80 recruiters admitted to the Pinnacle Society, where she serves as vice president of the board. But the heart of this conversation is how she got unstuck. She walks through the inner work that took her from years of plateaued billings to her first million dollar year, why she believes the one constant in every stuck recruiter's story is the person in the mirror, and what happened when she stopped blaming the market and started examining how she showed up for clients, candidates, and her own team. From there it gets tactical. Kimberly breaks down the Mr. Miyagi deal she makes with every new hire, six months of painting the fence and waxing the car before they ever freelance, and the repeatable process that turned her desk into what a fellow Pinnacle member called a production line, stacking $100K months back to back. She explains why nobody on her team is allowed to source a single candidate until their pitch, email, and voicemail are written and reviewed, how she reads hiring managers that everyone else misreads, and the exact playbook she used to grow from recruiter to president inside one firm: prove yourself, then ask for it. She also shares why she still chooses contingent search at the highest level, how she builds a culture where recruiters stay seven and eight years, and the philosophy that reshaped her career: you cannot keep what you do not give away. If you are sitting at a plateau right now and wondering whether the problem is the market, this episode will challenge you in the best way.  Links:  🚀 Finish The Year Strong 2026 Summit: https://recruiters-finish-the-year-strong.heysummit.com/ ⚡ Atlas: https://recruitwithatlas.com/  👥 Join the Elite Recruiter Community: https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community  📩 Subscribe to the newsletter: https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe   🔗 Connect with Kimberly Laipple: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kimberlylaipple/  Connect with Benjamin Mena: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjaminmena/
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  How To Become The Recruiter AI Recommends 27.07.2026 1t 2min

  Right now a hiring manager is typing "accounting recruiter near me" into ChatGPT, and somebody is coming up. Steve Gipson's argument is that the recruiter who gets named is almost never the best one. It is simply the most visible one. Benjamin sat in a room at the Pinnacle Society conference adding up numbers as top billers casually mentioned inbound work arriving through their websites. Two hundred thousand here. Four hundred thousand there. Another hundred somewhere else. Roughly a million dollars in placement fees that nobody chased. That is the conversation that led to this episode. Steve grew up in the industry listening to his father close deals from a home office, spent seven years on a direct hire desk in insurance, then got recruited out of recruiting by his brother Jeff. Recruiters Websites enters its fourteenth year this December and has worked with over a thousand firms. The number that anchors this episode belongs to one of those clients. A two person firm that had billed four hundred and four thousand dollars of inbound business as of the day this was recorded. They pull twenty to thirty leads a month from people who have never heard of them. Steve is careful with the caveat. That firm planted its tree seven or eight years ago, and they still had to vet the client, sell the fee agreement, and do the work. Then they get into what actually changed. Steve explains why the doom posts claiming Google killed search got it backwards, what an AI snippet is really pulling from, and why the models reward specificity in a way the old ten blue links never did. He breaks down topical authority in plain language, why a page for accounting recruiters in St. Louis should link back to a page for accounting recruiters in Missouri, and how that structure becomes the answer when someone asks a model who to call. He also gives away the tactics most agencies charge for. Directories and industry associations. Publishing your own comparison lists and putting your competitors on them. Three hundred dollar press releases through the newswire. Answering questions on Reddit and Quora, where the models go looking. The uncomfortable part is Steve's estimate that maybe five percent of the people who hear this will act on it. He is fine with that, because the five percent who move have an open field. What You'll Learn Why visibility beats quality in who gets the job order What Google actually changed and why SEO did not die How topical authority works on a recruiting website The listicle and directory play for showing up in AI answers Whether Wix and Squarespace can rank The single on page fix to make this week Finish The Year Strong 2026 runs September 28 through October 5. Free live sessions with the recruiters who are actually finishing the year in front. Register here: https://recruiters-finish-the-year-strong.heysummit.com/ This episode is brought to you by Atlas, the AI first recruitment platform built for modern agencies. Atlas remembers every email, every interview, and every conversation, and makes all of it instantly searchable. With Magic Search you can ask who mentioned relocating next year or who wanted a four day week, and get the answer without digging through notes. Atlas customers have reported over 40 percent EBITDA growth and over 80 percent increase in monthly billings. Unlock your listener offer at https://recruitwithatlas.com/ Thank you also to Recruiters Websites. Mention Elite Recruiter and get 10 percent off any new service at https://recruiterswebsites.com/ Join the Elite Recruiter Community: https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community Get the newsletter: https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe Figures shared in this episode are self reported and have not been independently verified. Connect with Steve Gipson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/recruitingwebsitedesign/ Listen and subscribe: [APPLE LINK] [SPOTIFY LINK] [YOUTUBE LINK]
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  How To Find Your Real Driver. It Was Never Money 24.07.2026 58min

  Across more than 5,000 recruiters, Michelle Flynn has run the same values exercise. Not once, not a single time, has money come up as a core value. So if money is not your real driver, what is? And what happens to your career, your business, and your health when you finally find out? 🎯 Free registration is open for Finish The Year Strong 2026, the virtual summit for recruiters running September 28 to October 5: https://recruiters-finish-the-year-strong.heysummit.com/ 🤖 Atlas is the AI first recruitment platform built to eliminate admin. Atlas customers have reported over 40 percent EBITDA growth and over 80 percent increase in monthly billings. Unlock your exclusive listener offer: https://recruitwithatlas.com/ Part 2 of this conversation starts tactical and goes somewhere most recruiting podcasts never touch. Michelle, the coach one client dubbed the Wendy Rhoades of recruiting, opens with the top biller's morning and what elite performers actually do before 9am. She breaks down the pre call ritual for dialing a Fortune 500 C suite, what flow state really looks like on a recruiting desk, and how many genuine flow cycles a day is humanly possible. Then she runs a live breathwork session right on the episode, the same nervous system reset she teaches at the biggest recruitment conferences, and you can follow along at your desk. From there the conversation flips to the question the whole series has been building toward: how to find your real driver. Michelle walks through the exercise she has used with over 5,000 recruiters and explains why money never survives to the final list of core values, what actually shows up instead, and what that means for how you build your desk or your firm. She takes Benjamin through pieces of the Life Audit live, shares the most dramatic transformations she has watched, including a client whose sleep score went from the 40s to 98 and another who lost 6 stone, and gets honest about the two fears that quietly trap founders, the fear of failing and the fear of succeeding. She also speaks to the loneliness of leaving the big office to go solo, the one thing she would fix about the recruitment industry, whether AI is actually costing recruiters money right now, and the question she wishes recruiters would ask her but never do. If Part 1 was about the collapse and the foundations, this is the payoff: what all the placements are actually for, and how to build a career that your body and your life can afford. Client stories and figures in this episode, including the 5,000 recruiter count and transformation results, are Michelle's own account of her coaching work as shared on the show. Missed Part 1? The 20 placements a month desk and the collapse that came with it: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3IRlRouHl8t0ogOU5SbH1r?si=fC3_i1LlTAucQkCcEGr1qw or on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/20-placements-a-month-put-her-in-the-hospital/id1547241660?i=1000778005710 Connect with Michelle Flynn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelleflynn/ 🚀 Want the replays? Elite Recruiter Community members get every Finish The Year Strong session on demand, plus replays from all past summits: https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community 📩 Get recruiting insights every week from the Elite Recruiter newsletter: https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe Benjamin Mena LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjaminmena/
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  20 Placements a Month Put Her in the Hospital 23.07.2026 46min

  Michelle Flynn was living the recruitment dream. Twenty placements a month as a solo recruiter. Working 9:30 to 4:30. Every single client on exclusive, no staff, no cold calls, and a seat inside her clients' offices where offers closed almost on autopilot. Then, three months after her wedding, at age 39, she woke up with a severe pain down the left side of her chest and hit the floor. Her husband thought he had lost her. 🎯 Free registration is open for Finish The Year Strong 2026, the virtual summit for recruiters running September 28 to October 5: https://recruiters-finish-the-year-strong.heysummit.com/ 🤖 Atlas is the AI first recruitment platform built to eliminate admin. Atlas customers have reported over 40 percent EBITDA growth and over 80 percent increase in monthly billings. Unlock your exclusive listener offer: https://recruitwithatlas.com/ In part one of this two part conversation, Michelle takes us inside the business that every recruiter dreams of building and the collapse that came with it. She walks through what a Tuesday actually looked like at the peak, working embedded on client sites with her own desk and a client email address, booking interviews by tapping hiring managers on the shoulder, and running up to 50 or 60 interviews in a single week. She also shares the part nobody saw. The suspected heart attack at 39. Asking for her phone in the hospital because an interview was in progress. A client knowing she was hospitalized before her own parents did. The second collapse at 42 that left her with black eyes and finally forced the wake up call, and the two weeks in Thailand that changed how she understood stress, burnout, and the nervous system forever. From there, Michelle gets practical about the foundations that keep high performers from falling apart. Why you cannot outwork burnout, and the difference between stress and dropping off the side of the performance curve. The gap between a fact and an excuse, and how recruiters convince themselves that easy work is hard work. The four factors of sleep quality and why four and a half hours of deep restorative sleep beats nine hours of broken sleep, plus her honest take on the Elon Musk and Tim Cook hustle mythology. Why stress management through breathwork is the single fastest lever for billings, the same nervous system reset elite athletes use before a penalty kick. And the time audit that finds hidden hours in your week, including the client who discovered he was spending 36 hours a week on Instagram, and why wasting just 30 minutes a day adds up to roughly three working weeks a year. Whether you are a solo recruiter, an agency owner watching a top biller quietly slip, or someone who has been ignoring the little signs your body keeps sending, this episode is the reminder that the foundations are not soft. They are what the whole desk is built on. Figures like the placement numbers and client stories in this episode are Michelle's own account of her business and coaching work as shared on the show. This is part one of two. Part two covers business development without cold calls, flow state, a live breathwork session, and how to find your real driver. Listen to Part 2: Connect with Michelle Flynn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelleflynn/ 🚀 Join the Elite Recruiter Community for unlimited access to replays from past summits and events: https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community 📩 Get recruiting insights every week from the Elite Recruiter newsletter: https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe Benjamin Mena LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjaminmena/
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  He's Seen Billions Of Recruiting Messages: What's Dead And What Wins In 2026 20.07.2026 1t 6min

  The AI Recruiting Summit 2026 is happening now with free live sessions. Grab your spot: https://ai-recruiting-summit-2026.heysummit.com/ This episode is brought to you in partnership with SourceWhale. Most recruiters will send outreach this week that is already dead and never know it. Benjamin Mena sits down with Dougie Loan, the man behind billions of recruiting messages at SourceWhale, to break down exactly what has stopped working, what is quietly winning in 2026, and why the pre-AI playbook is falling apart in real time. Dougie has a vantage point almost nobody in recruiting has. From the data behind billions of messages, he can see what actually moves the needle and what just feels like progress. He explains why the three-step spec-out sequence that used to book interviews has fallen off a cliff, why deliverability and flooded inboxes have gutted cold outreach, and why reply rates on truly cold campaigns are collapsing toward zero. He also gets specific about where recruiters bleed time. Between hunting for contact data, trawling record numbers of applications, and logging notes for hours every week, the modern desk hides close to a full workday of lost time. Dougie walks through where that time actually goes and what the highest performers do differently, from taking conversations offline fast through roundtables and dinners to investing in relationships that make the next call get answered. There is a clear split between high-growth and high-profit firms, and Dougie has data on both. He covers the playbooks behind the fastest-growing agencies, why US recruiters out-win the UK on sheer activity volume, the embedded and retained shift, and the one non-technology trait that separates average recruiters from elite ones. It is not what most people expect. If you have looked at SourceWhale before and written it off, his closing point is blunt: if you have not seen it in the last three months, you have not seen it. The platform now spans sourcing, CRM and ATS, dialer, and note-taking in one place, and Dougie argues that single-platform context is the whole game for making AI actually work on your desk. Whether you want to build a high-growth firm, a highly profitable one, or simply be a recruiter whose messages get read, there is something here to take offline and act on. 2026 is your year. Dougie Loan left school at sixteen, was on a cold recruiting desk in Glasgow by eighteen, and went on to become a rec-tech leader. He is now a driving force at SourceWhale, which has grown from an eighteen-person business to a one hundred fifty person company across the UK and US.   🔗 Connect with Dougie on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dougieloan/ 🎧 Listen to this episode: 🚀 See what SourceWhale is building: https://sourcewhale.com/ YouTube: 🏆 AI Recruiting Summit 2026: https://ai-recruiting-summit-2026.heysummit.com/ 🤝 Join the Elite Recruiter Community: https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community 📩 Subscribe to the newsletter: https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe
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  How To Build A Multi-Million-Dollar Recruiting Firm From Zero 16.07.2026 1t 9min

  The AI Recruiting Summit 2026 is happening now through July 20th, and registration is free for every live session. Recruiting engineers, operators, and recruiters actually running AI on their desks are showing what is working behind the scenes. Do not miss it. Register here: https://ai-recruiting-summit-2026.heysummit.com/ This episode is brought to you by Atlas. The resume never tells the full story, and most of what candidates share ends up buried in notes and forgotten. Atlas is the AI first recruitment platform built to eliminate admin. It captures every conversation automatically, and with MagicSearch you can ask things like who mentioned they are open to relocating and pull the answer from your entire database instantly. Atlas customers have reported over 40% EBITDA growth and over 80% increase in monthly billings after adopting the platform. Unlock your exclusive listener offer here: https://recruitwithatlas.com/ Holly Dary spent nearly 20 years becoming everything she set out to be at a large global staffing firm. She oversaw eight markets, built teams that produced, and made very good money. Then she hit her 20 year mark and a question she could not shake. Keep doing the same thing on repeat until retirement, or bet on herself and build something of her own. She chose the second act. At the end of 2019 she launched Tarbos Talent in Austin, put all of her chips in the middle of the table as the sole provider for her family, and started making placements right away. Then, three months in, COVID shut everything down. Every job order died. Offers were rescinded. For a brand new firm with a database built from nothing, it should have been the end. Instead she doubled down. While competitors furloughed and let go of long time producers, Holly hired the best of them. She built her tech stack and her database through the quiet months, got her team back in the office the moment Texas allowed it, and came out of the shutdown twice as strong. From zero she has built a team of 26 across two offices in Austin and Houston, in a business where most firms take 12 to 18 months just to turn a profit. Tarbos was profitable inside of two. None of that is the most remarkable thing she has survived. Fifteen years ago, when her daughter had just turned one, Holly was diagnosed with AML leukemia and told to get to the hospital within 30 minutes. She was not scared. She was furious that anything might take her from her kids, and she carried the same positive mindset that runs her business straight through treatment. Her oncologist later told her that her attitude was half the reason she made it. In this conversation Holly breaks down how she builds firms that win. Why the human touch is what separates an elite recruiter from a replaceable one. Why she recruits like a sniper instead of blasting 500 people at once. Why speed and sitting shoulder to shoulder with her team is a real advantage in a remote world. And why, after 26 years, doing the reps is still the whole game. If there is a quiet voice in the back of your head telling you it is time for your own second act, this is the episode. Connect with Holly Dary on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/holly-dary-aba2952/ Listen to the full episode: 🎯 Join the Elite Recruiter Community: https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community 📩 Get the newsletter: https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe
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  How To Get 3 Hours Of Real Work Done Before Lunch 09.07.2026 1t 21min

  Gary Stauble started his firm in 1998 and almost immediately lost control of his mornings. Circumstances at home meant he could not rely on being at his desk on any given day. He had less time than his competition, and he was not hitting his goals. So he stopped measuring hours and started measuring what the hours produced. He compressed his workday, front-loaded everything that mattered into the morning, and produced more, not less. This episode is brought to you by Atlas, the AI-first recruitment platform built to eliminate admin. Atlas captures every conversation automatically and turns it into something you can use, so the detail that never fits in a resume field does not get buried in your notes. Ask MagicSearch who mentioned relocating next year and it searches your entire database instantly. https://recruitwithatlas.com/ This lands right before the AI Recruiting Summit 2026, and that is deliberate. Next week will throw more tools and change at you than anyone can absorb in a sitting. None of it matters if you cannot hold a morning together. Register: https://ai-recruiting-summit-2026.heysummit.com/ Gary was last on the show in Episode 178, on performance systems and where his career started. This session is where he explains what forced him to build them: https://www.eliterecruiterpodcast.com/peak-performance-of-7-figure-billers-with-gary-stauble/ He opens with the problem, and the numbers are uncomfortable. The average knowledge worker is productive for 2.3 hours a day, interrupted fifty-six times, once every eleven minutes, taking up to twenty-three minutes to recover focus each time. Gary's view is that recruiters score worse than average, not better, because the business is chaotic by nature. He calls it constant partial attention. You are never fully present, so you end the day exhausted and unsure what you moved. Then he builds the answer. The morning gets a boot-up sequence you execute without thinking, because there is no time for thinking at five in the morning, only time for running a script you wrote the night before. Clothes laid out. Coffee preset. A fixed appointment early enough that you cannot negotiate with it. Gary's own block runs six to eight forty-five, nearly three hours of work before most desks open. The middle of the day gets a boundary. Gary separates exploration from execution and gives you somewhere to put every shiny tool and half-formed idea so it stops eating your morning. He covers accurate project selection, why scheduling interviews is the first, second and third most important thing you do, and what ten marketing actions by ten does to a pipeline. The end of the day gets thirty minutes. Most recruiters skip it, and it is the part that makes everything else work. Gary calls it engineering an epic tomorrow. Plan Monday on Friday afternoon and you get a weekend. Skip it and you carry low-grade static through every hour you are supposed to be off. You still have to win the morning to win the desk. Join the Elite Recruiter Community: https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community Subscribe to the newsletter: https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe Connect with Gary Stauble: https://www.linkedin.com/in/garystauble/
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  How To Build A $1.3 Million AI Recruiting Desk 06.07.2026 1t 19min

  The AI Recruiting Summit 2026 kicks off July 13th and runs through July 20th, and this episode is your preview of exactly what you will see there. Live sessions are free, so you can pop in and out around your desk. If you want the replays, grab the VIP option or join the Elite Recruiter Community, where every summit replay lives permanently. Register now at https://ai-recruiting-summit-2026.heysummit.com/ because 2026 is the year you draw your line in the sand. This episode is brought to you by Atlas, the AI first recruitment platform built to eliminate admin. Atlas captures every candidate conversation automatically and turns it into something you can use. With MagicSearch you can ask questions like who mentioned they are open to relocating next year, and it pulls answers instantly from real conversations across your entire database. Atlas customers have reported over 40 percent EBITDA growth and over 80 percent increase in monthly billings. Unlock your exclusive listener offer at https://recruitwithatlas.com/ Pulled straight from the Elite Recruiter Community library, this session is a taste of the summit format: a real recruiter walking through a real AI powered desk, screen level detail and all. Nick Poloni of Cascadia Search Group billed 1.3 million dollars last year, his first time crossing the million mark, with only about half a year on his current AI stack. This year he is already around 700K and climbing. And here is the part that should stop you mid scroll: he rates his own coding ability a one out of ten. He cannot write a line of code, and he still built his own recruiting bots, rebuilt his firm's entire website from scratch in Claude, and wired his ATS into Slack so a pipeline bot flags every stalled candidate before breakfast. Alongside Jake Price of PIN, Nick breaks down the full system. He records hiring manager intake calls, feeds the notes into Claude, and has AI write his AI sourcing prompts. His outreach is short, specific, and so personalized that candidates reply just to ask if he is real, at one point pulling around a 70 percent response rate across email and LinkedIn on over a thousand candidates. He has done zero traditional business development, no cold calls to HR, ever. Instead he gives away candidates, floats resumes for free, and lets value do the selling, a philosophy that landed him a 20K a month retainer and a 100 rep sales build. You will also hear how he sourced an entire salesforce in two and a half weeks, ran 500 to 800 interviews over three months without a single no show, and turned a Philippines based assistant into the chief of getting stuff done. If any of this feels out of reach, that is exactly why the summit exists. From July 13 through July 20 you will get walkthroughs, tools, and tech you can steal for your own desk. Nick's billing figures are his own account of his results, shared as he told them. Register for the AI Recruiting Summit 2026: https://ai-recruiting-summit-2026.heysummit.com/ Join the Elite Recruiter Community: https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community Subscribe to the newsletter: https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe Connect with Nick Poloni: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickpoloni/ Connect with Jake Price: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacob-price-05a6562b/ Listen on Apple Podcasts: Listen on Spotify: Watch on YouTube: This episode is sponsored by Atlas: https://recruitwithatlas.com/
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  How To Build A Million Dollar Biller. Danny Cahill. 01.07.2026 51min

  In this second part of a two part conversation, Danny Cahill takes Benjamin Mena behind the scenes of how he builds million dollar billers, why AI is quietly turning recruiters into commodities, and the one skill he says you cannot teach. This episode is brought to you by Atlas, the AI first recruitment platform built to eliminate admin and turn every candidate conversation into something you can use. Atlas customers have reported over 40 percent EBITDA growth and over 80 percent increase in monthly billings after adopting the platform. Get started and unlock your exclusive listener offer at recruitwithatlas.com Danny is not anti AI, and he opens by drawing a sharp line between where it helps and where it hurts. AI is a gift for market research and mapping, but the moment recruiters hand it their messaging, they start to sound exactly like everyone else. Clients are already telling his office that you all sound the same, and Danny argues the real threat was never AI replacing recruiters. It is recruiters using AI so lazily that they make themselves replaceable. That leads into the idea he most wanted to talk about. As everyone races to become a player on social media by outsourcing their voice to a bot, the ability to write and think originally becomes the last real advantage. Referencing Pree Sarkar, who framed it as capture, not create, Danny explains why your narrative and reputation are the one thing generative AI can flatten, and why that makes original language more valuable, not less. Then Danny takes on a myth this audience needs to hear. You do not have to have no life to be great at this. The million dollar billers he mentors are not obsessive versions of him. Many stop at four in the afternoon to be a parent, run nonprofits, and pour into their families. As he puts it, they do not die sad and lonely, they die happy and rich and having helped a lot of people. The heart of part two is mentorship. Danny explains why he still does it when he does not need to, why top billers become a protected class that no one will push, and why there is almost always a wound behind a high achiever. He tells the story of a twenty two year veteran who slumped and confessed she thought she had just gotten lucky, and how he answered her. You do not luck into twenty two years. He also walks through what mentoring actually looks like, from taping calls to weekly accountability. He closes with a challenge. Everyone talks about how technology changed recruiting, but almost no one questions the infrastructure, the pricing, or the sales DNA underneath it. And in one of the most honest moments of the conversation, Danny answers a question no one has ever asked him. What You'll Learn: Where AI helps a recruiter and where leaning on it makes you sound like everyone else Why writing and original thinking are becoming the last real advantage in recruiting The truth about work and life balance among actual million dollar billers Why your best biller becomes a protected class, and the hidden wound behind high achievers How Danny structures mentorship, from the first intake to weekly accountability The infrastructure and pricing questions almost no recruiter is asking If you missed Part 1, go back for how Danny survived four recessions and a pandemic and built a firm of recruiters who last. Connect with Danny Cahill on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danny-cahill-a6797a/ Listen to Part 1: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7AaKC3JrP3Y0eeu9SESsHp?si=5xQfHvygTFimUKEhCU5LOg Listen on Apple Podcasts: Listen on Spotify: Watch on YouTube: Join the Elite Recruiter Community: https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community Register for the AI Recruiting Summit 2026: https://ai-recruiting-summit-2026.heysummit.com/ Subscribe to the newsletter: https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe Sponsored by Atlas: recruitwithatlas.com
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  Danny Cahill On Building A 40 Year Career. (Pt 1) 29.06.2026 56min

  Danny Cahill is one of the biggest names in the history of the recruiting industry, and in this first part of a two part conversation he sits down with Benjamin Mena to unpack forty years of building a firm, surviving every disruption thrown at him, and developing recruiters who last entire careers. This episode is brought to you by Atlas, the AI first recruitment platform built to eliminate admin and turn every candidate conversation into something you can use. Atlas customers have reported over 40 percent EBITDA growth and over 80 percent increase in monthly billings after adopting the platform. Get started and unlock your exclusive listener offer at recruitwithatlas.com Danny owns Hobson Associates, the firm where he started six days out of college, became rookie of the year, billed as top producer for four straight years, and then bought the company at twenty seven. He has never had a resume and never been out of a job, which he calls the great hypocrisy of a man who got wealthy helping other people change theirs. The conversation opens on something Danny believes most recruiters are getting wrong in 2026. Leaning on AI to handle your messaging, your outreach, and your tough sales conversations is quietly making you passive and worse at the actual work of selling. As Danny puts it, all we have really done is find a way to make more noise faster. From there he and Benjamin walk through how he has navigated four recessions and a pandemic. During the Great Recession he watched his fintech heavy niche collapse, raised his fees while everyone else cut theirs, and moved his firm into biotech. When Covid shut Connecticut down in a single afternoon, he bought thirty laptops, called in two million dollars of receivables, and had his team working remotely by the end of the day. But the heart of this episode is people. Danny explains why he believes the best recruiters are frustrated social workers, why money is a great early motivator that never sustains anyone, and why his people want his approval more than they want to buy a house. He breaks down how he manages a recruiter differently across their career, and why he spends more time with his veterans than his rookies, because senior people need recognition their entire lives. He closes part one with the fundamentals even twenty year veterans still butcher, the sales approaches working right now, and a hard truth about your pipeline. When you think you have four job orders, you really have one. What You'll Learn: Why leaning on AI for your outreach and sales conversations is making recruiters passive and worse at selling How Danny survived four recessions and a pandemic, and the counterintuitive move he made during the Great Recession What he did in a single afternoon when Covid shut everything down Why the best recruiters are frustrated social workers, and what actually motivates top performers over the long term How to manage rookies and veterans differently, and why your senior people need more of your time The sales fundamentals even twenty year veterans still get wrong Why you probably have far fewer real job orders than you think Make sure to listen to Part 2, where Danny goes deep on AI, the writing skills that set elite recruiters apart, and how he builds million dollar billers behind the scenes. Connect with Danny Cahill on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danny-cahill-a6797a/ Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/danny-cahill-on-building-a-40-year-career-pt-1/id1547241660?i=1000774681186 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7AaKC3JrP3Y0eeu9SESsHp?si=5xQfHvygTFimUKEhCU5LOg Join the Elite Recruiter Community: https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community Register for the AI Recruiting Summit 2026: https://ai-recruiting-summit-2026.heysummit.com/ Subscribe to the newsletter: https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe Sponsored by Atlas: https://recruitwithatlas.com/
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  How To Become A Million Dollar Biller 25.06.2026 33min

  Half the year is gone. That single fact is why Benjamin Mena pulled this talk out of the Elite Recruiter Community and put it in the feed. It is a reset, a line in the sand, and a challenge to decide right now what the rest of the year is going to look like. Brent Orsuga has spent 23 years in recruiting, the last 16 in logistics and supply chain, and 11 of those years running his own firm, Pinnacle Growth Advisors. He says it took him four years to hit a million dollar desk, and that he has now done it seven years running, to the point where it has become his floor rather than his ceiling. He is candid that there is no secret sauce and no magic pill, only a set of behaviors that the biggest billers share. This conversation lays out ten of them. This episode is brought to you by Atlas. The resume never tells the full story. Candidates share what really matters in conversations, on calls, in interviews, and over email, their motivations, salary expectations, and plans to relocate, and most of that detail ends up buried in notes and forgotten. Atlas changes that. It is the AI first recruitment platform built to eliminate admin, capturing every conversation automatically and turning it into something you can use. With MagicSearch you can ask who mentioned wanting a four day week or who is open to relocating next year, and it pulls answers from across your entire database instantly. Atlas customers have reported over 40 percent EBITDA growth and over 80 percent increase in monthly billings after adopting the platform. Get started and unlock your exclusive listener offer at recruitwithatlas.com. He starts with belief, because nothing else matters if you are quietly convinced a million is out of reach. From there he moves into identity, arguing that every serious biller has claimed a niche and built a brand around it, and that there is a real difference between a recruiter who sends fifteen resumes and a headhunter who sends three. Money follows attention, and the recruiters who get known for one thing become a magnet for the companies and candidates who want the best. The rest of the talk is the engine room. Brent covers doing business development on the right clients and becoming a partner rather than a vendor, chasing the big at bats that produce forty and fifty thousand dollar fees, and obsessing over your average fee until the math of a million stops feeling impossible. He explains why he works in quarters rather than months, why he counts the Mondays he has left, and why a referral system beats cold starting every search from zero. He is blunt about removing negativity, increasing outbound when most people let it slide, and holding firm on fees instead of lowering the bar for everyone. He closes on what he calls the real talk, the lifestyle behind the number. The people he knows who do this consistently are not sloppy, are not sleeping in, and are not built on social media. He frames the journey through three phases, the underdog with a chip on the shoulder, the villain who mutes the noise and works with dark focus, and the favorite, which he says is the hardest place of all to keep winning. If you have looked up and wondered where the time went, this is the wake up call. Draw the line and run for it. A note on the figures in this episode. Brent's billing numbers are his own account of his track record and are shared as he told them. Join the Elite Recruiter Community: https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community Register for the AI Recruiting Summit 2026: https://ai-recruiting-summit-2026.heysummit.com/ Subscribe to the newsletter: https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe Get started with Atlas: https://recruitwithatlas.com
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  Retained Masterclass Pt 2: The Dollars Are In Delivery 23.06.2026 45min

  Most recruiters think AI is coming for their job. Allie Milbrath thinks it's coming for one kind of recruiter — the one whose value was sending LinkedIn messages faster than the person next to them. If that was ever the whole game, she says you should be worried. If it wasn't, this episode is the way out. This is Part 1 of a two-part retained search masterclass. Allie Milbrath of the Quinn Roberts Company returns to The Elite Recruiter Podcast to walk through the shift she believes our industry needs most: moving from contingent to retained, and from transactional order-taker to trusted advisor. She has built her career entirely in retained search, and not by being the most aggressive salesperson in the room. She won it by delivering so well that clients simply stopped shopping. That distinction is the spine of this conversation. The part that will stay with you is what Allie calls "emotional exits." Contingent recruiting, she argues, quietly trains you to bail. When a search gets hard, you have fifteen others on your desk to retreat to. When a client is difficult, you move on. When the market turns, you move on again. Over time it compounds, and you lose the ability to operate from any real depth. Retained takes the exit away. It forces you to stay in the discomfort long enough to actually solve the problem — and that, more than any script or pricing model, is the real mindset shift she thinks recruiters are afraid of. They are not afraid of the work. They are afraid of commitment. Benjamin and Allie also get honest about who retained is not for, why "the fear holding you back" and "a market that genuinely can't bear retained" are two different things, and how AI is quietly closing the escape hatch on transactional recruiting. Then they move into the mechanics — fee structures, guarantees, fall-off and cancellation terms, off-limits clauses, and the protective language Allie now writes into every agreement after learning the hard way. Part 1 ends mid-mechanics. Part 2 drops tomorrow and finishes the masterclass: pipelining projects, the real math on how many searches one recruiter can carry, and why she believes great delivery is your best business development. If you take one thing from this episode, let it be the question Benjamin opens with. As AI gets better, you have to figure out why clients will still pay you. What part of your process actually adds value? You don't have to go fully retained to answer that. But you do have to answer it. What You'll Learn: Why panicking about AI is the wrong response, and the harder question to ask yourself instead What "emotional exits" are, and how contingent work quietly trains you to bail Why clients return again and again to an advisor, not an attack dog How to tell the difference between fear that's holding you back and a market that can't support retained Who retained search is genuinely not the right fit for The contract terms that actually protect you: guarantees, fall-off, cancellation, and off-limits language This episode is brought to you by Atlas, the AI-first recruitment platform built to eliminate admin. Atlas captures every candidate conversation automatically and turns it into something you can use, so the details that usually get buried in notes are searchable in seconds. Atlas customers have reported over 40% EBITDA growth and over 80% increase in monthly billings after adopting the platform. Get started and unlock your exclusive listener offer at recruitwithatlas.com. Connect with Allie Milbrath on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alliemilbrath/ Part 2 drops tomorrow — make sure you're following so you don't miss it. Join the Elite Recruiter Community: https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community Register free for the AI Recruiting Summit 2026: https://ai-recruiting-summit-2026.heysummit.com/ Get the newsletter: https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe
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  Going Retained Masterclass Part 1 with Allie Milbrath 22.06.2026 45min

  Most recruiters think AI is coming for their job. Allie Milbrath thinks it's coming for one kind of recruiter — the one whose value was sending LinkedIn messages faster than the person next to them. If that was ever the whole game, she says you should be worried. If it wasn't, this episode is the way out. This is Part 1 of a two-part retained search masterclass. Allie Milbrath of the Quinn Roberts Company returns to The Elite Recruiter Podcast to walk through the shift she believes our industry needs most: moving from contingent to retained, and from transactional order-taker to trusted advisor. She has built her career entirely in retained search, and not by being the most aggressive salesperson in the room. She won it by delivering so well that clients simply stopped shopping. That distinction is the spine of this conversation. The part that will stay with you is what Allie calls "emotional exits." Contingent recruiting, she argues, quietly trains you to bail. When a search gets hard, you have fifteen others on your desk to retreat to. When a client is difficult, you move on. When the market turns, you move on again. Over time it compounds, and you lose the ability to operate from any real depth. Retained takes the exit away. It forces you to stay in the discomfort long enough to actually solve the problem — and that, more than any script or pricing model, is the real mindset shift she thinks recruiters are afraid of. They are not afraid of the work. They are afraid of commitment. Benjamin and Allie also get honest about who retained is not for, why "the fear holding you back" and "a market that genuinely can't bear retained" are two different things, and how AI is quietly closing the escape hatch on transactional recruiting. Then they move into the mechanics — fee structures, guarantees, fall-off and cancellation terms, off-limits clauses, and the protective language Allie now writes into every agreement after learning the hard way. Part 1 ends mid-mechanics. Part 2 drops tomorrow and finishes the masterclass: pipelining projects, the real math on how many searches one recruiter can carry, and why she believes great delivery is your best business development. If you take one thing from this episode, let it be the question Benjamin opens with. As AI gets better, you have to figure out why clients will still pay you. What part of your process actually adds value? You don't have to go fully retained to answer that. But you do have to answer it. What You'll Learn: Why panicking about AI is the wrong response, and the harder question to ask yourself instead What "emotional exits" are, and how contingent work quietly trains you to bail Why clients return again and again to an advisor, not an attack dog How to tell the difference between fear that's holding you back and a market that can't support retained Who retained search is genuinely not the right fit for The contract terms that actually protect you: guarantees, fall-off, cancellation, and off-limits language This episode is brought to you by Atlas, the AI-first recruitment platform built to eliminate admin. Atlas captures every candidate conversation automatically and turns it into something you can use, so the details that usually get buried in notes are searchable in seconds. Atlas customers have reported over 40% EBITDA growth and over 80% increase in monthly billings after adopting the platform. Get started and unlock your exclusive listener offer at recruitwithatlas.com. Connect with Allie Milbrath on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alliemilbrath/ Part 2 drops tomorrow — make sure you're following so you don't miss it. Join the Elite Recruiter Community: https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community Register free for the AI Recruiting Summit 2026: https://ai-recruiting-summit-2026.heysummit.com/ Get the newsletter: https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe
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  Your Best Biller Costs You $5 Million. 18.06.2026 1t 3min

  Your best biller is the person bringing in the most money. So how could promoting them be the most expensive mistake your firm ever makes? That is where Benjamin Mena starts with Duncan Taylor, a healthcare staffing veteran who has spent more than 30 years on the executive side of recruiting and built his career around one unusual specialty: recruiting for recruiting companies. Duncan lays out the producer-manager trap in brutal math. Take your million-dollar biller, move them into leadership, and you do not just risk the million they were producing. You risk the top billers who walk rather than report to them. By his estimate, five million in gross profit can leave through a single promotion that everyone mistook for a reward. The AI Recruiting Summit 2026 runs July 13 through 20, free for all live sessions: https://ai-recruiting-summit-2026.heysummit.com/ This episode is brought to you by Atlas, the AI-first recruitment platform built to eliminate admin. Atlas captures every candidate conversation automatically and turns it into something you can use. With MagicSearch you can ask questions like who mentioned they are open to relocating next year and pull the answer from your entire database in seconds, with no keyword guessing and no digging through old notes. Atlas customers report over 40% EBITDA growth and over 80% increase in monthly billings after adopting the platform. Unlock your exclusive listener offer at recruitwithatlas.com From there the conversation becomes a map of where recruiting leadership is heading. Duncan argues that dialing for dollars is fading, not because the phone stops working, but because buyers research before they ever pick up, and the firms that win will be the ones whose leaders are known as the authority in their space. He describes the future leader as tech-fluent, consultative, and an architect of growth rather than a manager of activity, then names the uncomfortable problem underneath it. If AI absorbs the entry-level grind where recruiters used to earn their instincts, the industry faces a junior talent cliff with no obvious place for the next generation of leaders to come from. He also walks through a business-model shift already underway in IT and government contracting that staffing is only starting to feel: the move away from arbitrage and billing by the hour toward selling outcomes, guaranteeing fill rates, and pricing reliability instead of headcount. He gets candid about the risk that worries him most, the absence of AI governance in healthcare staffing, where an unsupervised agent can invent a credential and clear a clinician for a shift they are not qualified to take. He explains the data behind his gut, the Hogan-based assessments he uses to surface the derailers a strong interview hides, and the one habit he credits for turning candidates he never placed into his biggest clients: the Friday follow-up. What You'll Learn: The real math behind promoting your best biller, and what it actually costsWhy dialing for dollars is fading, and what replaces itThe profile of the recruiting leader who wins over the next five yearsHow AI is creating a junior talent cliff, and how to bridge itThe shift from billing hours to guaranteeing outcomesThe Friday follow-up that turns lost candidates into clients The AI Recruiting Summit 2026 runs July 13 through 20, free for all live sessions: https://ai-recruiting-summit-2026.heysummit.com/ 🎙️ Connect with Duncan Taylor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/duncantaylor/ 🚀 AI Recruiting Summit 2026: https://ai-recruiting-summit-2026.heysummit.com/ 👥 Join the Elite Recruiter Community: https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community 📬 Subscribe to the newsletter: https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe ⚡ Try Atlas: recruitwithatlas.com Apple / Spotify / YouTube episode links: 
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  The NFL & Forbes 400 Hire Her. Here's Why 15.06.2026 1t 14min

  She runs a three-person team. She places 7 to 12 people a month. She charges 18% of annual salary — right in line with the market. And somehow she's the preferred childcare provider for the LA Rams, the LA Chargers, and a meaningful slice of the Forbes 400. There's no SDR. There are no paid ads. She's not on LinkedIn. Every deal is referred or inbound. After 20 years. Rebecca Stewart is the founder of VIP Nannies. What she's built in high-end household staffing is the relationship-driven, niche-locked business most agency owners say they want and almost none actually build. This episode is how she got there — and what she'd tell a recruiter sitting in the wrong niche, or no niche at all. This episode is brought to you by Atlas — the AI-first recruitment platform that captures every candidate conversation and makes it searchable. Atlas customers report 40%+ EBITDA growth and 80%+ billings increase. Unlock your listener offer at recruitwithatlas.com The AI Recruiting Summit 2026 is back July 13-20. Free live sessions with recruiting engineers, operators, and tool-builders showing what's actually working. Register at https://ai-recruiting-summit-2026.heysummit.com/ Rebecca didn't plan this. Small California town, college basketball, Cal State Fullerton, then three months in the Peace Corps in Paraguay because her friends were getting master's degrees. She came home needing a job. A friend told her about a Bel Air nanny role. She interviewed. She was hired before she got home. She worked Friday through Monday for a year, then walked away because she wanted her weekends back. Inside a few weeks she'd researched every LA nanny agency, called her hometown bank for a loan, and started VIP Nannies at 23. The first family she met tried to hire her as their nanny. She declined and never sat down with a family again. Early on she chased anyone who could afford a nanny. Then she pulled up to a Beverly Hills Hotel event in her Honda Accord and realized she was at the wrong altitude. She read a marketing book, rewrote her pitch, raised her fees, and rebuilt the website. It took seven years for the pivot to fully show up. Today the business runs on relationships that compound for decades. The LA Rams reached out about childcare ten years ago after she sent a single congratulations message on LinkedIn — the only time she's used the platform. The Chargers came later. Most placements come from nannies calling her when a job ends. The episode pulls apart how — the fee structure that filters wrong clients, the $450 registration fee LA agencies wouldn't charge until she did, the six-month replacement guarantee, the nanny socials she runs to fight isolation. And the deeper thesis: there's a niche for everything. Find the one you'd run toward if nobody paid you, then learn to charge for it. If you're a recruiter stuck in a niche you fell into, this is the conversation that argues you can change that. What you'll learn: How a three-person team places 7 to 12 people a month with zero outboundThe Honda Accord moment that triggered Rebecca's seven-year pivot upmarketWhy a $450 registration fee filters better than any qualifying callThe single LinkedIn message that won the LA Rams account ten years agoHow to turn "do what you love" into a real business model in a recruiting nicheThe 12-minutes-for-12-days exercise Rebecca uses to find clarity on direction 🎯 Connect with Rebecca Stewart Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/vipnanniesla/ Website: https://www.vipnannyagency.com/ 📣 The AI Recruiting Summit 2026 — July 13-20, free https://ai-recruiting-summit-2026.heysummit.com/ 🤝 Join the Elite Recruiter Community https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community 📧 Subscribe to the newsletter https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe 💼 This episode is brought to you by Atlas https://recruitwithatlas.com
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  The 60% of Recruiters Who'll Quietly Sink Your Agency. Part 2 10.06.2026 46min

  In Part 1, Tom Kelly walked us through how EVONA scaled from four founders to 80 recruiters in three years, then deliberately cut back to 30 — and per-head revenue doubled. In Part 2, he hands over the framework that explains how he manages the leaner team. And it starts with a number most agency owners have never been forced to confront. If you haven't heard Part 1 yet, listen to that one first — it sets up everything Tom unpacks here. Brought to you by Atlas. The AI-first recruitment platform that captures every candidate conversation automatically. Atlas customers report 40%+ EBITDA growth and 80%+ increase in monthly billings. Get your exclusive listener offer at recruitwithatlas.com. Tom segments every sales team into four brackets. The top 10% who don't care about anyone else — they just want to bill. The next 20% who aspire to be that top performer. The bottom 10% who were never going to make it. And then the middle 60%. The bracket nobody manages correctly. Because the middle 60% don't measure themselves against the top performers. They measure themselves against the bottom 10%. As long as they're doing enough not to be the worst person on the team, they think they're fine. That's the bracket quietly sinking most agencies, and most owners can't see it because they manage everyone on the team the same way. The second framework Tom hands over is the activity benchmark EVONA uses to define elite. 25 interviews on a rolling four-week period. Reverse engineered from a 12-to-1 interview-to-placement ratio, the number means a recruiter hitting it consistently is doing two placements a month at minimum. Drop below 25 and Tom is direct — you are not fit to play at the top level. Tom also unpacks why he would hate to be running a big recruitment company right now. AI governance is about to break the firms that can't police what their recruiters are doing with dashboards, prompts, and outreach automation. LinkedIn is heading into a tidal wave of AI-driven spam. Vertical platforms are about to replace the way candidates look for jobs. And recruitment is now an IQ-over-EQ game — the people leveraging the tools and staying sharp are pulling away from everyone else. He opens the conversation with the moment that built all of this. Tom had a stutter so bad as a kid he was afraid to pay a phone bill. He chose recruitment specifically because it would force him onto the phone every day. That fear is the engine behind eight years of building EVONA — and the reason "evolving" is the company's core value. Tom closes with the books that shaped him (the Rockefeller Habits, Ronnie Wood, Alex Ferguson on man management), why Claude is the tool changing how he thinks, why he's not crazy about Bullhorn, and the one piece of advice he'd give every recruiter facing the next 18 months. Don't be a lone wolf. What You'll Learn: - The four-bracket framework Tom uses to manage every sales team, and why the middle 60% is the bracket quietly sinking most agencies - The 25-interview rolling 4-week benchmark that defines elite at EVONA, and the ratio behind it - Why Tom says recruitment is now IQ over EQ, and what that shift means for average recruiters - The vertical-platform shift coming for LinkedIn, and how candidates will find jobs in the next two years - Why a stutter became the engine of Tom's career, and what that says about the recruiters who succeed - The tools, books, and habits that shape Tom's leadership at EVONA Connect with Tom Kelly: LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/evonatom/ Email — tom@evona.com EVONA — https://evona.com 🎙️ Resources: Atlas — recruitwithatlas.com Elite Recruiter Community — https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community AI Recruiting Summit 2026 — https://ai-recruiting-summit-2026.heysummit.com/ Newsletter — https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe
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  $40M in Fees. Then Cut 50 Recruiters to Save It. Part 1 09.06.2026 45min

  Tom Kelly scaled EVONA from four bootstrapped founders in a tiny Bristol office to eighty recruiters in three years. Then he made the call most agency owners never make. He cut the team back to thirty. And in doing it, per-head revenue doubled.   This is Part 1 of a two-part conversation that pulls apart exactly how that happened.   Brought to you by Atlas. The AI-first recruitment platform that captures every candidate conversation automatically. Atlas customers report 40%+ EBITDA growth and 80%+ increase in monthly billings. Get your exclusive listener offer at recruitwithatlas.com.     Tom came up on the inside track at one of the biggest STEM recruiters on the FTSE. He spotted space as a high-growth vertical before almost anyone, pitched it internally, got shut down, and walked. He linked up with three other recruiters in the same office — Jack, Rich, and Ryan. They sketched the company out on a whiteboard at Tom's place: no KPIs, no fixed working hours, no fixed location, brand-first, give back to STEM. Eight years and over $40 million in fees later, they've stuck to every line of it.   Their first placement was a chef in a Bristol restaurant for £2,000. Hire number two was a head of marketing — a decision every advisor said was crazy. By Tom's read, recruitment and marketing are the same thing. Brand pull beats spam. That bet became the operating philosophy of the entire company.   Then COVID hit and the space industry — recession-proof, Tom argues, because satellites don't get sick — tripled their revenue and headcount. They paid LinkedIn a fortune ahead of a planned scale to three hundred people. They flew the whole company and their partners to Monaco after a million-dollar month. Tom calls that trip the moment the wheels were about to come off.   By 2021 the cracks were showing. Five account managers, thirty fillers, two RPO teams, a full operations and finance bench. Tom describes the peak as a hot mess. So the four founders sat down and made the hardest call of their careers. Contract team first — running $20K a week with no real strategy. Then perm cuts. Then operations. Then the advisors. Tom and the other three didn't pay themselves for six months. He moved his family to the US in the middle of it.   The episode ends on the moment the four founders agreed one of them had to lead, and that person would be Tom. Without ego. The single reason, Tom says, the business is still standing.   Part 2 drops Wednesday — the 25-interview rule that defines elite recruiters at EVONA, and the segmentation that explains why most agency owners are quietly losing 60% of their team.   What You'll Learn:   - Why scaling to 80 recruiters nearly broke the business, and the moment the four founders knew they had to cut to 30 - The pre-COVID hire every advisor told Tom was crazy, and why it became the engine of the company - How EVONA tripled in COVID while most agencies were frozen - The £300,000 company trip Tom now calls a warning sign - What it actually costs to let 50 people go — emotionally, financially, culturally - Why the four founders agreed one person had to take the wheel, and how they made the call without breaking the partnership   Connect with Tom Kelly:   LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/evonatom/ EVONA — https://evona.com   🎙️ Resources:   Atlas — recruitwithatlas.com Elite Recruiter Community — https://elite-recruiters.circle.so/checkout/elite-recruiter-community AI Recruiting Summit 2026 — https://ai-recruiting-summit-2026.heysummit.com/ Newsletter — https://eliterecruiterpodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe