The Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett

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  The Four Questions That Help Leaders Solve Intractable Problems with Adrian Wolfberg - Ep. 42 15.09.2026 48min

  What are intractable problems, and how do you solve them?In this episode, we are joined by Adrian Wolfberg to dive deep into how organisations can effectively generate, interpret, and act on knowledge under uncertainty.Adrian Wolfberg is a researcher, author, organizational scientist, former U.S. intelligence officer,and former naval officer whose work focuses on how organizations generate, interpret, and acton knowledge under conditions of uncertainty. He earned a Ph.D. in organizational behaviorfrom Case Western Reserve University, and an Honors B.A. from York University, Canada.Drawing on experience spanning national security, organizational research, and knowledgemanagement, he examines the individual, organizational, emotional, and cognitive dynamics thatshape decision-making when problems are complex, ambiguous, and forward-looking. He recentpublications have focused on AI, knowledge integration, sensemaking, and the challengesorganizations face in translating insight into effective action. He is currently the founder andCEO of Organizational Insight Consulting LLC.Adrian shares insights from his extensive research on AI, knowledge integration, and the emotional dynamics that shape our choices. Discover how the stakes in business compare to national security, healthcare, and elite sports, and why understanding these dynamics is crucial for success.To read Adrian Wolfberg's latest book Who Leads When AI Thinks: https://www.amazon.com.au/Who-Leads-When-Thinks-Decisions/dp/3032197163And to reach out to Adrian:https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrianwolfberg/For Alena's 2026 CFO Report:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/cfo-annualreportAnd for Alena's FY27 whitepaper on Economic Exhaustion - https://www.alenabennett.com.au/economic-exhaustionFor more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/Chapters:00:00 Intro + Thought Provoking Headline: New World Map03:48 Introduction to Adrian Wolfberg06:37 The Intersection of Sectors: Business vs. National Security09:50 Understanding the Four Ways of Knowing11:36 The Importance of Context14:35 Context and Decision-Making Dynamics18:46 Intractable Problems in Organizations24:25 Divergent Perspectives in Leadership25:00 The Interplay of Data and Human Insight27:02 The Balance of People and Numbers in Business28:04 Exploring Full Spectrum Analysis34:31 Navigating Complexity in Decision Making41:16 Listener Question: Career Change Insights48:05 Conclusion and ResourcesWhat's your biggest challenge with decision-making in your organization? Drop it in the comments!Subscribe for weekly insights on organizational behavior and decision-making strategies!#DecisionMaking #OrganizationalBehavior #KnowledgeManagement
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  Clarity Beats Motivation — The Financial Mindset That Changes Everything with Amir Rodnia - Ep. 41 08.09.2026 56min

  Why does clarity beat motivation every time? And how can you begin to think about making more money per year without changing your job?In this episode, we chat to the fantastic Amir Rodnia. We dive deep into the concepts from his book, Freedom Game Plan, where he shares practical strategies to escape the wage cage and build wealth. We also chat about his freedom framework, as well as swapping some great stories and insights along the way.To pick up your copy of Freedom Game-Plan:https://www.rodnia.com.au/books/#freedom-gameplanAnd to reach out to Amir:https://www.rodnia.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/amir-rodnia/https://community.rodnia.com.au/And for Alena's 2026 CFO Report: https://www.alenabennett.com.au/cfo-annualreportAnd for Alena's FY27 whitepaper on Economic Exhaustion - https://www.alenabennett.com.au/economic-exhaustionFor more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/https://www.alenabennett.com.au/economic-exhaustionChapters:00:00 Thought Provoking Headline - Plastic to Cookies03:09 Introduction to Amir Rodnia and His Mission06:03 Understanding the Wage Cage and Financial Freedom14:54 The Importance of Financial Literacy23:07 The Freedom Framework: Think, Plan, Do, Gear Up28:15 The Real Math of Business: People vs. Numbers29:51 People Over Profits: The Key to Business Success31:47 The Current State of Business: A 90/10 Ratio33:56 Short-Term Gains vs. Long-Term Sustainability37:24 The Skill Gap: Long-Term Thinking in a Short-Term World42:28 Empowerment and Individual Responsibility49:11 Building a Community for Change51:18 Introduction to The Real Math of Business51:18 Listener Question: Navigating Freelance Cash Flow56:20 Conclusion and Resources for CFOsWhat's your biggest challenge with financial planning? Drop it in the comments!Subscribe for more insights on building wealth and achieving financial freedom!#FinancialFreedom #WealthBuilding #FreedomGamePlan
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  Economic Exhaustion: Are You Feeling It? - Bonus Episode 31.08.2026 5min

  This week, we wanted to drop off a bonus episode about something I am calling Economic Exhaustion.All of us have a lot on our plates, but how do you manage this as well? I share my experiences, my thoughts and my tips.Are you struggling with economic exhaustion? Check out the whitepaper here: https://www.alenabennett.com.au/economic-exhaustionWhat are your tips for staying on top of it?Check out the channel for full episodes as well as fun bonus episodes.For more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/
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  The Hidden Cost of Broken Trust: From the Boardroom to the Sporting Field with Errol Amerasekera 24.08.2026 58min

  What can be the effect of not addressing an eye-roll in a meeting? Maybe it's nothing, or maybe it could be a symptom of a much deeper culture issue.In this episode, we dive deep into the concept of adaptive safety in organisations with Errol Amerasekera, author of "From Fear to Flow: The Adaptive Safety Revolution." Discover how safety, trust, and culture impact high-performance teams and the importance of addressing trust issues in real-time, as well as understanding what great culture can look like. We also blend the chat with some recent news from the AFL.Errol Amerasekera, is an author, consultant, performance coach, and speaker, who, for nearly two decades has worked across elite sport, corporate organisations, and high-stakes professional environments. He is a thought leader in the area of what safety looks like in an organisational context and developed the concept of Adaptive Safety. He is also the owner of Bluestone Edge, a consultancy that supports organisations with the complexities of leadership, culture, performance, and inclusion.To get your copy of "From Fear to Flow: The Adaptive Safety Revolution": https://errolamerasekera.com/my-book-from-fear-to-flow-the-adaptive-safety-revolution/And to reach out to Errol:https://errolamerasekera.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/errol-amerasekera-a254154/https://www.bluestoneedge.com/For more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/ Chapters:00:00 Introduction00:48 Introduction to Errol Amerasekera02:30 The Impact of Recent Events on Team Dynamics04:21 Trust and Psychological Safety in High-Performance Teams11:33 Cultural Standards vs. Performance Outcomes13:12 The Shift from Extractive to Relational Performance14:54 Understanding Relational Infrastructure in Teams19:28 Role Clarity for Athletes and Professional Expectations25:20 Compassion and Accountability in Leadership27:48 Understanding Role Clarity in Organizations29:50 The Interplay of Culture and Performance32:59 Integrating Culture into Business Practices34:46 The Math of People and Performance37:49 Focusing on Process Over Outcomes40:39 The Role of Leadership in Creating Safety43:37 Feedback as a Tool for Growth52:18 Listener Question: Measuring ROI in Culture for SME's52:33 Understanding ROI in Employee Wellbeing53:26 Measuring the Cost of Poor Wellbeing54:52 The Impact of Workplace Connection on SMEs57:45 Calculating Opportunity Costs and ROIWhat's your biggest challenge with creating a safe and trusting environment in your organization? Drop it in the comments!Subscribe for more insights on leadership and culture!#AdaptiveSafety #Leadership #TeamCulture
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  Athletes, Actors & Entrepreneurs: What High Performers Know About Pressure with Bernadette Schwerdt 17.08.2026 1h 3min

  What is it like to be in the headspace of someone just before they kick the goal after the siren to win the game?In this episode, Bernadette Schwert shares her unique insights on high performance, the importance of managing friction, and the power of curiosity and empathy in business and life. Discover practical strategies for achieving your goals and creating meaningful connections.Bernadette is an award-winning Australian entrepreneur, author and copywriting coach. She is the founder of the Australian School of Copywriting and has helped thousands of business owners and writers create high-performing content.A former senior account director and copywriter at Young & Rubicam, she has worked on campaigns for brands including Apple, American Express, Optus and Colgate. She is a TEDx speaker and the bestselling author of How to Build an Online Business and Secrets of Online Entrepreneurs.She was also the co-author of Radek Sali’s book How to Build a Billion Dollar Business, and is a ghostwriter for many of Australia’s top CEOs and entrepreneurs. Her book, "Secrets of the New Online Entrepreneurs," is out now.Finally, you may have seen her on TV as well. Bernadette is a professional actor and has appeared in Neighbours, The Games, Round the Twist, Winners and Losers and Jack Irish. She is also a trained yoga teacher and was the inaugural in-house mindfulness coach for the Carlton Football Club.To grab your copy of SECRETS OF THE NEW ONLINE ENTREPRENEURS:https://bernadetteschwerdt.com.au/books/To Reach out to Bernadette:https://bernadetteschwerdt.com.au/au.linkedin.com/in/bernadetteschwerdthttps://www.copyschool.com/For more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/Chapters:00:00 Introduction to The Real Math of Business04:40 The Importance of Slowing Down06:02 Introducing Bernadette Schwerdt08:02 Bernadette's Career: From Actor to Author13:46 What Connects High Performers: Athletes and Actors19:36 Balancing Creativity/Performance with Money24:49 Working in Your Area of Passion27:10 Navigating Changes in the Market with Culture28:20 Navigating Friction30:40 Lessons From Interviewing the Ultra-Wealthy34:37 Exploring the Math:People Ratio47:00 Lower Stakes Work: Applying this Information50:12 Why Everyone Needs Copywriting Skills55:46 How Would You Like To Be Remembered?59:38 Listener Question: Staying Positive Amid Negativity
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  Why Purpose Beats Pure Profit with Jason Dunn - Ep. 38 10.08.2026 46min

  We are lucky to be catching Jason Dunn on the day after his big book launch in Sydney CBD Dymocks for his new book Greatness Doesn't Care.In today's episode, Jason chats about his life, inflection points and his Real Math of Business Ratio. He also chats aboutIn his new book, Greatness Doesn't Care, he challenges one of the most common assumption in leadership: that exceptional performance is driven by talent. Instead, he argues that long-term success is built through discipline, resilience and the decisions leaders make every day, particularly when circumstances are difficult. At 62, Jason is still competing in some of the world's toughest endurance events, having completed more than 14 IRONMAN competitions and multiple ultramarathons while building several successful businesses. Drawing on lessons from both elite endurance sport and entrepreneurship, he explores what separates high performers from everyone else, why many leaders unknowingly limit themselves through fear and self-doubt, and how to build the mindset required to perform under pressure. Unlock the secrets to leadership success with Jason Dunn's insights from his book, Greatness Doesn't Care. Discover how discipline, resilience, and daily decisions shape exceptional performance.Grab your copy of Greatness Doesn't Care: https://www.simonandschuster.com.au/books/Greatness-Doesnt-Care/Jason-Dunn/9781923186514And to reach out to Jason:https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-dunn-72650227/For more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/Chapters00:00 Introduction to the episode and guest04:24 Jason Dunn's background and book launch experience08:04 The impact of gratitude and mindset on success11:10 Building belief and nurturing mindset16:45 Resilience as a process and the role of purpose22:01 The balance of people and math in business28:08 The true purpose of business and authentic leadership32:11 Redefining greatness and personal achievement38:12 Final lessons and reflections from Jason DunnWhat's your biggest challenge with leadership? Drop it in the comments!Subscribe for weekly insights on leadership and personal growth!#Leadership #PersonalGrowth #GreatnessDoesntCare
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  The Empowerment Paradox: Women, Men and Systemic Change with Megan Dalla-Camina - Ep. 37 03.08.2026 1h 7min

  How much has thw work environment, and its expectations changed recently? And how can the change that's coming be something that works better for you and your business?In this fantastic chat with author Megan Dalla-Camina, we break down how the dirty word of "patriarchy" may be controlling a lot more than we think (even for men).Megan Dalla-Camina is the Founder and CEO of Women Rising, an award-winning leadership company that has supported thousands of women and male allies across 76 countries to build meaningful careers, grow their leadership and create lasting impact. Following an 18-year executive career with IBM, GE and PwC, Megan founded Women Rising to help organisations develop exceptional women leaders, engage male allies and build more inclusive, high-performing workplace cultures.A sought-after keynote speaker, leadership expert and PhD researcher, Megan is the author of Women Rising, a practical guide to navigating leadership and career success with confidence, courage and authenticity. Her latest book, She Who Remembers, reflects the evolution of her work, exploring identity, purpose and what it means to lead without losing yourself. Megan's work has been featured in hundreds of media outlets globally, including Forbes, Fast Company, CNN and Psychology Today.To grab a copy of her books:https://megandallacamina.com/books/And to reach out to Megan:https://megandallacamina.com/https://www.instagram.com/megandallacamina/?hl=enhttps://womenrisingco.com/our-founder-1/For more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/Chapters:00:00 Thought Provoking Question: Aussie Success at Commonwealth Games04:31 Introduction to Megan Dalla-Camina and Women Rising06:15 Understanding Patriarchy and Its Impact10:08 The Empowerment Paradox Explained15:01 Shifting the Narrative: Women vs. System19:12 Awakening Women to Their Power24:24 The Role of Male Allies in Change31:58 The Collective Effort for Change33:08 Understanding the Real Math of Business34:52 People vs. Math: The Leadership Equation38:10 The Impact of AI on Business Ratios40:20 Empathy and Leadership in the Age of AI43:22 Where Are the People in the Equation?46:01 Masculine and Feminine Traits in Leadership54:27 Taking Action: Recommendations for Change01:01:57 Listener Question: Good Metrics
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  Our 1st Anniversary Special! 27.07.2026 48min

  Happy 1 year anniversary to the Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett.We have been talking about the Real Math of Business for over a year now, and we wanted to celebrate with some of our favourite chats.To our amazing audience and fantastic guests, thank you so much for making this show what it is. We can't wait for another year of this!Chapters: 00:00 Cruz Gamboa08:09 Edward Podolski18:17 Liz Mcmillan21:45 Kylie Paatsch28:07 Bill Withers38:38 David Fish
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  Speaking the Language of Business with Cruz Gamboa 20.07.2026 1h 3min

  Do you speak the language of business?In this episode, Cruz Gamboa shares his unique perspective on the real math of business, emphasizing the importance of mindset, language, and simple frameworks like the law of constraints to drive business success. We explore how understanding profit, cash flow, and enterprise value can transform your approach to growth and leadership. Cruz explains how all of this has to do with physics, and how looking at it through that lens makes finding problems much easier.Cruz spent 25 years inside Fortune 500 finance, structured finance, capital markets, and project finance across Latin America, including closing an $800M power plant deal. He walked away from the title, the salary, and the global travel to build Ascend Growth Ventures and ScalingCFO.io, where he helps $1M–$30M founder-led companies install what he calls a Financial Operating System: one model that connects profit, cash flow, and enterprise value instead of three disconnected reports.He's also the author of the upcoming Scaling Profits: The Missing Financial Operating System for Ambitious Founders, and writes a newsletter read by 30,000+ founders and operators.To reach out to Cruz:https://cashflowbreakthrough.com/https://cruzgamboa.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/cruzgamboa/For more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/Chapters00:00 Thought Provoking Headline: Saunas Have New Benefits03:57 Cruz Gamboa's background in finance and transition to coaching07:08 What is the real math of business? Cruz's perspective09:55 The assembly line analogy: from lead generation to cash14:54 The role of mindset and subconscious fears in business20:02 Using physics and the law of constraints to optimize flow25:04 The importance of simplicity in business strategies29:56 Connecting profit, cash flow, and enterprise value34:59 The impact of technical knowledge versus language in finance40:10 The olive story: small changes with big impacts44:47 The three filters: profit, cash flow, enterprise value50:10 Identifying and removing constraints for growth54:59 Cruz's workshops and how to connect with him58:01 Listener Question: Impactful Moments
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  The Metrification of TV & The Future of Comedy with Brent Forrester 13.07.2026 47min

  Join us for an insightful conversation with Brent Forrester, Emmy-winning writer and creator of the new comedy series "Historic Freedomburg." Discover how he challenges the status quo in comedy and the creative process behind his latest project.In this episode, Brent Forrester shares his journey from traditional comedy writing to creating low-budget, original content on YouTube. We explore the challenges of creative freedom, the importance of structure in comedy, and the future of independent content creation.Check out Historic Freedomburg here:https://www.youtube.com/@UCezwtKzCnQxu48160l3x8HQ To reach out to Brent:https://www.brentforrester.com/https://www.instagram.com/forrestercomedycourse/?hl=enFor more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/For more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/Chapters00:00 Introduction to Brent Forrester's Career in Comedy00:38 Brent's New Show 'Historic Freedomburg' and Its Inspiration02:36 Challenging the Status Quo in Creative Work04:01 Success, Flourishing, and the Creative Process06:26 The Role of Structure and Imagination in Comedy09:05 The Evolution of Entertainment and Metrification12:07 Using 'Markers' for Creative Renewal15:14 The Contact High of Comedy and Filmmaking19:34 The Challenges of Short-Form Comedy and Sketches24:42 Balancing Structure and Flow in Creative Work27:54 The Magic of Actors and Imagination in Comedy30:22 Brent's Future Plans for 'Historic Freedomburg'What's your biggest challenge with creativity? Drop it in the comments!Subscribe for more engaging discussions on creativity and business!#Comedy #CreativeProcess #HistoricFreedomburg
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  Do Engagement Metrics Cause More Harm than Good in 2026? with Kylie Paatsch 06.07.2026 1h 10min

  Join us for an insightful conversation with Kylie Paatsch, an executive coach and author of "The Connect Effect." Discover how to foster genuine connections in the workplace and why engagement metrics may be doing more harm than good.In this episode, Kylie shares insights on leadership, engagement, and the evolving role of data and connection in business success. Discover how to lead effectively in changing conditions and why the 'people' side of business is more crucial than ever.What's your biggest challenge with team engagement? Drop it in the comments!To grab your copy of The Connect Effect:https://kyliepaatsch.com.au/book/And to reach out to Kylie:https://kyliepaatsch.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyliepaatsch/To read Alena's Blog on surfing:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/blog/cfo-capacity-management-brilliance-daysFor more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/Chapters:00:00 Thought Provoking Question: Right Method, Wrong Situation?03:26 Chat with Kylie Paatsch04:31 The Importance of Employee Engagement07:32 Rethinking Engagement Metrics12:02 The Dangers of Measuring Engagement14:45 Involving Leaders in Engagement Solutions18:09 Kylie's Career Retrospective and Lessons Learned31:41 The Real Math of Business: People vs. Results34:54 The Importance of Metrics and Accountability37:28 Finding Balance in Diversity and Inclusion40:52 Psychological Safety and Honest Conversations41:57 Previous Podcasts and Changing Perspectives46:17 The Know, Show, Grow Model Explained57:10 Connection in the Age of AI01:03:50 Navigating Business Conditions01:03:51 Common C-Suite Mistakes01:09:38 Effective Leadership Communication01:09:53 RMOB Faster .mp4Subscribe for more insights on leadership and connection!#Leadership #TeamEngagement #TheConnectEffect
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  The Real Math of Comedy with Brent Forrester 29.06.2026 47min

  What metrics does the entertainment industry use, and how does that math affect their creativity? What is the real math of constructing a comedy?In today's episode, I am lucky enough to be joined by Brent Forrester. Brent Forrester won his first Comedy Writing Emmy at age 25 for his work on "The Ben Stiller Show."  He went on to write for "The Simpsons," helped launch "King of The Hill," and was a producer and director, as well as running the writer's room at NBC's "The Office" during its seven seasons.  He's written for "Late Night with Conan,"  HBO's "Mr. Show," and "The Larry Sanders Show," and continues to work as a Head Writer on Netflix shows like Judd Apatow's "Love" and Steve Carrell's "Space Force," along with Amazon shows like Greg Daniel's "Upload" and "People of Earth." To reach out to Brent:https://www.brentforrester.com/https://www.instagram.com/forrestercomedycourse/?hl=enFor more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/For more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/Chapters00:00 Thought Provoking Question: AI02:25 Introduction to Brent Forrester's Career04:14 The Complex Nature of Fame and Success08:54 Defining Success Beyond Fame11:05 The Role of Collaboration in Comedy14:40 Navigating Economic Anxiety as an Artist17:16 Maintaining Creative Drive Beyond Financial Pressure19:29 Positive Reinforcement in Creative Leadership22:20 The Changing Landscape of Entertainment Metrics27:03 Introduction to Backrooms and YouTube Phenomenon29:23 The Ratio of People to Math in Comedy33:06 AI vs Human Experience33:36 The Role of AI in the Arts39:27 The Creative Process: Balancing Structure and Emotion41:43 Upcoming Projects and Independence Day Themes43:30 Listener Question: Personal Insights and Life Outside Work
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  What is the Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett? - ML x RMOB Crossover Episode - Re-Release 22.06.2026 45min

  Our friends over at Magical Learning complete their 300th episode next week, and to celebrate, we are re-releasing the only crossover episode they have ever recorded; which was with us here at Real Math of Business. So enjoy, and go check them out. Cngratulations, and what an achievement.Welcome to the first ever CROSSOVER EPISODE for both podcasts, and we are so excited to have you join us for this one.Today, the team from the Magical Learning Podcast is chatting to the amazing Alena Bennett, host of The Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett.Alena is a speaker, author and leadership expert who works primarily with CEOs and CFOs, helping build businesses where people serve people, the math just works.To reach out to Alena:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/And to check out The Real Math of Business with Alena Bennett:https://www.youtube.com/@UCTC-z1B7jxC8zUW4LBxS1wwhttps://podcasts.apple.com/dk/podcast/the-real-math-of-business-with-alena-bennett/id1824603857Magical Learning has been running as a training and facilitation company in Australia for over 25 years and has partnered programmes with global thought leaders like John Matone and Robin Sharma.To check out to the Magical Learning Podcast:https://www.youtube.com/@UCb70j5K0EE1DLlCLCvqdsVQhttps://podcasts.apple.com/dk/podcast/magical-learning-podcast/id1503860793
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  How Can We "Moneyball" Business? with Mike Erlin 15.06.2026 1h 3min

  How does your business "get on first base", and what even is "first base" for your business?In this episode, my amazing guest Mike Erlin shares insights on how high performance, environment, and data-driven talent management intersect, emphasising the importance of understanding the "get on first base'" metric and the role of humility and resilience in leadership.About our awesome guest; Co-Founder and CEO of AbilityMap Mike Erlin:Mike, who is based in Sydney and is a native San Franciscan, is an experienced technology executive across education & industry in both North America & Asia Pacific. He’s built and led high performing teams for some of the globe’s most innovative and successful human capital technology companies. Prior to AbilityMap, Mike led Cornerstone OnDemand’s (CSOD) ANZ business for the Enterprise & Mid-market/SMB solutions.America’s Cup Sailor, elite athlete and technologist, Mike Erlin has spent decades focused on human performance, specifically how matching the individual to the role is a critical driver of success. This passion and knowledge sits behind AbilityMap’s powerful people technology.To reach out to Mike:https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeerlin/https://abilitymap.com/For more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/Chapters:00:00 Intro and Thought Provoking Question04:30 Introduction to Mike Erlin and His Background06:39 Lessons from High-Performance Sports11:23 The Role of Metrics in Sports and Business15:12 Feedback and Performance in Real-Time21:07 The Real Math of Business: People and Metrics25:45 Navigating Ambiguity in Business Environments32:05 Navigating Change and Embracing Growth34:23 The Balance of People and Data in Business36:35 Life Lessons from Sports and Personal Experiences41:38 The Importance of Humility and Life's Challenges46:36 Understanding Human Capabilities in Business50:01 Ability Map: A Case Study in Leadership Development56:37 Honoring People and Their Strengths58:49 Listener Question: People vs. Math Ratio for Isolated Work
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  Staying Human in a World Ruled by Technology with Dara Simkin & Tāne Hunter - Play Day Re-Release 07.06.2026 50min

  With World Play Day being on June 11th, we thought this was a great time to revisit a great chat about the power and science of play (amongst other things).What happens when a cancer researcher and Australia's leading voice in play-at-work come together to look at technology? And why do they end up on opposite ends of the scale in their Real Math of Business?Dara Simkin is Australia's leading voice in play at work and the founder of Culture Hero, a learning experience design consultancy specialising in evidence‑based play interventions that strengthen adaptability, collaboration and human capability in an era defined by rapid technological change. She is an expert facilitator and keynote speaker with more than a decade of experience designing experiential learning for organisations across technology, finance, healthcare, retail and the public sector.Tané is a cancer researcher and science communicator. He is the founder of Future Crunch, a group of scientists, artists, researchers and entrepreneurs that believes science and technology are creating a world that is more peaceful, connected and abundant. Their mission is to foster intelligent, optimistic thinking about the future, and to empower people to contribute to a 21st century that works for everyone.In this insightful conversation, Alena Bennett hosts Dara Simpkin and Tane Hunter to explore AI, better workplaces, and the concept of the 'Real Math of Business.' They discuss how understanding the logic, systems, and structures behind business operations can lead to better decision-making, healthier work environments, and sustainable growth. The episode emphasises the importance of human-centric approaches, the impact of culture, and the need to rethink traditional business paradigms in the age of rapid technological change.To grab a copy of Full Stack Human:https://www.fullstackhumanbook.com/To reach out to Dara:https://www.linkedin.com/in/dara-simkin-culture-hero/https://www.culturehero.co/To reach out to Tāne:https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanehunter/https://www.futurecrunch.com/?utm_source=ig&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link_in_bio&fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMjU2MjgxMDQwNTU4AAGnWZBa67qyZaFiaqWVD5wZlynCEILg8b1N4sRqqQxz_oRA9KlnliribnOtTWg_aem_k0sYPCCP2H658Z3qPTQtlQChapters00:00 Thought Provoking Question02:37 Chat with Dara and Tāne05:38 Understanding the Need for Authenticity08:35 The Impact of Technology on Humanity11:27 The Role of Science Communication14:16 The Journey to Thriving16:57 Empowerment Through Intentionality17:18 Paleolithic Emotions and Modern Technology20:15 Culture Change: Beyond Nice Behavior23:02 The Infrastructure of Business Culture25:50 Technology's Role in Work Culture29:00 Historical Perspectives on Work and Productivity32:55 The Integration Imperative36:26 Building Capacity in Challenging Environments39:45 The Real Math of Business42:23 Empowering Personal Agency44:06 Understanding Business Growth50:00 Conclusion and Key Takeaways
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  How Human-Centric Metrics Transform Leadership & Alignment with Liz McMillan 01.06.2026 1h 4min

  What metrics are actually valuable, and what things are we doing to stroke someone's ego?In this insightful interview, Liz McMillan shares her unique perspective on the Real Math of Business, emphasising the importance of alignment, purpose, and human-centric metrics in leadership and organisational success. Discover how to leverage your business identity and create meaningful community within your teams.With more than 20 years leading technology, SaaS, and publishing organisations across Silicon Valley and Australia, Liz has firsthand experience guiding teams through growth, complexity, and change.As a two-time CEO who led successful exits at Dictionary.com and Teach Starter, and with experience overseeing more than $500 million in M&A and managing $300 million in revenue, Liz brings a rare blend of strategic depth and practical leadership insight. What tends to resonate most with audiences is how she helps leaders connect purpose, values, and priorities in a way that reduces constant pressure and creates clarity in day-to-day decision-making.Liz’s work centres on alignment as something leaders can actually use to strengthen trust, culture, and performance, especially when things feel busy or uncertain. Her approach is grounded, practical, and focused on what works in real leadership situations, without jargon or over-complication.To reach out to Liz:https://www.liz-mcmillan.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizmcmillan/Chapters00:00 Introduction to Liz McMillan02:47 Chat with Liz McMillan03:51 The Real Math of Business08:00 Storytelling with Numbers13:34 Math is About Humans16:51 Reflection of Leadership in Numbers20:54 People Over Math24:26 Strategy and Identity26:21 The Challenge of Alignment29:47 Transformational Journeys in Business32:34 Eliminating Language Anxiety35:49 Aligning Purpose with Capacity38:39 Desire and Capacity in Business40:37 Navigating Personal and Professional Dynamics43:34 The Power of Truth Telling48:29 Finding Alignment in Life52:19 Purpose Beyond Adversity59:03 Listener Question01:00:05 Building a Strong Business Community
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  Money is a Proxy for Reality: A Deep Dive into our Top 5 Episodes with Alena & Jez 25.05.2026 57min

  Money is a proxy for reality? Diversity helps family business? And what do short-term goals have to do with company culture?In today's special episode; Alena and producer Jez break down some of the biggest ideas from the show's biggest episodes. If you want to have a fun look at the philosophy of money (and what that could mean for you) as well as much more (see the chapters below), enjoy this episode!Episodes Referenced:- Jason McDougall - The Intersection of Business and Faith- Richard McBride - The New Math of CFO's: 70% People, 30% Math- Danette Fenton-Menzies - Authenticity in Family Business: - Edward Podolski - The Real Math of Innovation: How Finance Shapes Innovation and Value- Dr Kat Page: How to Find Your Purpose and Thrive in Uncertain Times For more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/Chapters00:00 Introduction to the Podcast's Unique Format02:59 Exploring the Top Five Episodes05:03 Understanding Money as a Proxy for Reality09:01 The Subjectivity of Value and Metrics12:07 The Role of Structure in Wellbeing at Work14:59 Dominant Logic and Its Impact on Behavior17:54 Connecting Insights from Ed and Kat20:43 The Paradox of Structure and Safety23:57 Practical Applications of the Conversations26:50 Conclusion and Next Steps28:31 Exploring the Time Paradigm31:58 Ownership vs. Stewardship34:19 The Long-Term vs. Short-Term Mindset38:43 Metrics and Distortion in Business41:44 The Evolving Role of CFOs46:10 Diversity and Its Impact on Business55:58 Understanding Reality Through Business Metrics
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  The Real Math of Innovation: How Finance Shapes Innovation and Value with Edward Podolski 11.05.2026 1h 7min

  What really drives innovation, and why has it slowed down since the 20th century began?In this insightful interview, Professor Edward Podolsky and Alena Bennett explore the complex relationship between finance, governance, innovation, and value creation. They discuss how mathematical models, narratives, and organisational structures influence decision-making and the importance of humility and context in understanding economic systems.Edward Podolski is a Professor of Finance and Head of the Finance Department at RMIT’s School of Economics, Finance and Marketing, and an Associate Editor for the Australian Journal of Management. He was Associate Professor at Deakin Business School, where he held leadership roles including Director of Research (Finance) and HDR Director for the Faculty of Business and Law.Edward’s research examines how organisational structures and governance shape a firm’s ability to generate value, with a particular focus on the conditions that enable—or inhibit—corporate innovation. He studies how shareholders influence executive strategic decisions, how managerial behavioural tendencies affect resource allocation, and how organisations can design mechanisms that harness these tendencies to support breakthrough thinking and long-run value creation.His findings have appeared in top journals like The Accounting Review and JFQA, and been featured in many outlets and publications; from Bloomberg, to Harvard Business Review, to ABC Radio National as well as many others.To reach out to Edward:https://www.rmit.edu.au/profiles/p/edward-podolskiFor more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/Chapters00:00 Thought Provoking Question02:53 Chat with Prof. Edward Podolski04:11 Exploring Corporate Money Mindset05:17 Journey into Academia and Finance08:52 Understanding Money as a Proxy for Value14:04 The Complexity of Metrics and Tools15:44 Engagement in Economics Education24:22 Governance Structures and Value Creation25:46 The Balance of People and Math in Business32:29 Narratives vs. Numbers in Investment Decisions39:09 The Decline of Productivity Growth41:46 The Role of Finance in Innovation45:47 Quantifying Innovation and Its Challenges50:12 Designing Structures for Innovation53:59 The Unintended Consequences of Policy58:16 The Complexity of Innovation and Finance01:05:09 Building Trust in Leadership
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  How to Find Your Purpose and Thrive in Uncertain Times with Dr. Kat Page 04.05.2026 56min

  Dr. Kathryn Page and host Alena Bennett as they explore the depths of purpose, well-being, and the future of work. Discover how embracing discomfort, community, and values can transform leadership and organizational culture.Dr Kathryn (Kat) Page is an organisational psychologist, Leadership Partner at ByMany, Adjunct Professor of Management and Leadership at Swinburne Unniversity, and author of Good Work: Transforming Your Work from the Inside Out.She holds a Doctorate in Organisational Psychology and completed postdoctoral research at the University of Melbourne, exploring the relationship between work and mental health through a public health lens.Kat has worked with leaders across industries—from healthcare and mining to finance and retail—helping them navigate pressure, complexity and change. Her work is grounded in a simple but powerful idea: what if work could be part of the solution to our wellbeing, not the problem?Blending science, story and real-world experience, Kathryn brings a deeply human perspective to leadership—focusing on how we create work that enables people to perform, belong and thrive.To grab your copy of Good Work: https://www.drkatpage.com/about-4And to reach out to Dr Kat:https://www.drkatpage.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-kat-page-2366514/For more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/Chapters00:00 Thought Provoking Question01:57 Chat with Dr Kat Page04:49 The Journey of Finding Purpose07:55 Navigating Corporate Life and Personal Values10:40 The Importance of Self-Discovery13:41 Understanding Well-Being and Happiness16:44 The Spectrum of Well-Being19:36 Eudaimonia and Flourishing22:23 People vs. Math in Business Success28:07 Navigating Psychological Safety in Organizations31:09 The Power of 'What If' Questions34:53 Embracing Discomfort for Growth38:14 The Value of Community and Collaboration43:07 Practical Steps for Personal and Professional Growth51:56 Listener Question: CFO Traits for 202652:26 The Four Quadrants of CFO Leadership54:43 Adapting Skills for the Future
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  The New Math of CFO's: 70% People, 30% Math with Richard McBride 27.04.2026 1h 10min

  How has the Real Math of Business changed for CFO's in the last 20 years? Well, our guest today claims it is almost opposite to what it was 20 years ago.If you're a Finance Leader in Australia or New Zealand, chances are you already know today's guest. Richard McBride has spent close to 20 years embedded in the A/NZ finance leadership community - As Editor of CFO Magazine and Producer of the CFO Series, he truly is the go-to person for CFOs past, present and future. With over 300 Trans-Tasman in-person and online events delivered and a network of more than 22,500 finance leaders, Richard is passionate about helping CFOs learn, connect, and grow. He's also the man responsible for possibly the world's largest collection of CFO selfies!In this engaging interview, Richard McBride shares insights on the evolving role of CFOs, the importance of trust and relationships, and how the CFO role is shifting from numbers to people leadership. Discover how business success is increasingly driven by transparency, authenticity, and strategic influence.To reach out to Richard McBride:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-mcbride-35b61977/And you can check out CFO Magazine:https://cfomagazine.com.au/For more information on Alena and the Real Math of Business:https://www.alenabennett.com.au/https://www.linkedin.com/in/alenabennett/Chapters00:00 Introduction to Richard McBride00:39 Thought Provoking Question: How is your Corporate Money Mindset Holding You Back?03:37 Conversation with Richard McBride06:01 Connecting with CFOs: A Unique Perspective08:58 Maintaining a Successful Business for 20 Years14:31 Navigating Challenges During the Pandemic23:47 The Evolving Role of CFOs28:43 The Real Math of Business: People vs. Math32:46 The Evolving Role of CFOs34:37 The Shift in CFO Branding37:07 CFOs Stepping into the Spotlight37:36 Diverse Career Paths for CFOs40:03 The Impact of Mid-Market Businesses43:08 Leveraging Technology for Growth45:08 The Importance of Human Connection56:16 Scaling Energy and Community Engagement01:03:59 Teaching Financial Literacy to the Next Generation