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  Our discussion with David Oscar Markus 19.08.2026 49мин

  Send us Fan Mail We are well into the era of artificial intelligence and TikTok, and both are having dramatic impacts on our lives. Trial practice, and criminal defense practice, are not immune from that influence, which is perhaps unsurprising given that trials and criminal defense are a mirror, in some ways, of the state of our society at large. We had the opportunity to catch up with David Oscar Markus to discuss artificial intelligence and TikTok, and its impact on criminal t...
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  White Collar Talks: Upcoming 12th Annual Southeastern White Collar Crime Institute 11.08.2026 38мин

  Send us Fan Mail In this White Collar Talks episode, ABA CJS Chair Nina Marino and program co-Chairs Joe Whitley and Brian McEvoy discussing the upcoming 12th Annual Southeastern White Collar Crime Institute in Braselton, GA, September 9-11th. For over a decade, the ABA Criminal Justice Section’s Southeastern White Collar Crime Institute has been the premier regional program for professionals engaged in the defense, prosecution, and adjudication of complex white collar criminal matters....
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  Freakonomics for Criminal Justice:  Our Discussion with Economist Jennifer Doleac 16.07.2026 1ч

  Send us Fan Mail Jennifer Doleac is a Stanford-educated economist, a former college economics professor, and the author of The Science of Second Chances: A Revolution in Criminal Justice, published by Henry Holt and Company and available in print as of February 24, 2026. We spoke with Jennifer about her new book, which is billed as “Freakonomics for criminal justice,” and explores real-world experiments that suggest what policy changes and incentives offer the greatest hope of tr...
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  Interview of John Hutchins: Habeas Challenges to the Death Penalty and the Experience of Representing Defendants on Death Row 02.07.2026 48мин

  Send us Fan Mail When a person is sentenced to death, the case is not over. Some of the most critical legal work happens after the trial and direct appeals are finished. That’s where habeas attorneys step in, often years later, to uncover constitutional violations, investigate what was missed, and ask a fundamental question: did the system get it right? John Hutchins has spent years representing death row inmates in these high-stakes post-conviction proceedings. He’s also b...
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  White Collar Talks: Upcoming 2026 Global White Collar Institute 22.06.2026 26мин

  Send us Fan Mail “White Collar Talks with Nina and Joe” episode features Lucian Dervan, discussing the upcoming 2026 Global White Collar Crime Institute, July 13-14, 2026, in Singapore. which will bring together senior practitioners, government officials, judges, and scholars to examine the evolving and increasingly complex landscape of international white collar crime. Hosts are Nina Marino and Joe Whitley.
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  One Woman’s Experience as a Federal Prison Inmate, and Her Return:  A Discussion with Portia Louder 18.05.2026 38мин

  Send us Fan Mail In 2007, FBI agents showed up at the home of Portia Louder and her husband Chad. Their youngest of five children was just three months old at the time. Seven years later, in August 2014, Louder pleaded guilty to wire fraud and conspiracy. And on the morning of April 21, 2015, she and Chad left their home in Utah on a 14-hour drive to the facility where Louder would self-surrender in order to commence her seven-year sentence.
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  Meek Mill’s REFORM Alliance and the Promise of Probation and Parole Reform 21.04.2026 45мин

  Send us Fan Mail This being “Second Chance Month,” it’s a perfect time to share our discussion with Jessica Jackson and Erin Haney—respectively, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Policy Officer of the REFORM Alliance, the justice initiative founded by Philadelphia-born and Grammy-nominated rapper Meek Mill and others. When Mill was sentenced, in November 2017, to a term of two to four years in prison for technical parole violations, the sentence was a catalyst for the criminal justice reform ...
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  White Collar Talks: ABA 2026 White Collar Crime Institute 17.02.2026 34мин

  Send us Fan Mail Program Co-Chairs Maggie O’Donell and Aitan Goelman discuss the history of the ABA Criminal Justice Section’s White Collar Crime Institute and the upcoming 2026 program on March 10-13, 2026 in San Diego, CA. "White Collar Talks" are hosted by Nina Marino and Joe Whitley. The ABA White Collar Crime Institute is the nation’s premier forum for insights, updates, and expert analysis in the field of white collar crime. This annual event brings together leading practitioners,...
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  Our Discussion with Josh Hoe, Senior Policy Manager at Dream.org 26.01.2026 45мин

  Send us Fan Mail Josh Hoe is Senior Policy Manager at Dream.org, and the host and creator of the Decarceration Nation Podcast. Josh, who is himself formerly incarcerated, is the author of “Writing Your Own Best Story: Addiction + Living Hope.” We connected to discuss Josh’s recent writing, in which he argues that the so-called “National Emergency on Crime” is not real, and why we should reject it.
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  The Vacation of Tom Hayes’s Conviction (Part 2 of our two-part discussion) 20.01.2026 52мин

  Send us Fan Mail This is Part 2 of our two-part discussion with Tom Hayes, the now vindicated former English banker, who we first spoke with in April 2025. At the time of that earlier discussion with Tom, in Part 1 of this series, Tom was awaiting a decision of the United Kingdom’s Supreme Court on the appeal of his August 2015 conviction, arising from his work submitting rates, on behalf of his employer, a bank, that were used to determine the London Interbank Offered Rate (or, LIBOR)—...
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  The Conviction of Tom Hayes and the Global Libor Scandal (Part 1 of our two-part discussion) 20.01.2026 58мин

  Send us Fan Mail This is the first episode in our two-part discussion with Tom Hayes, who we first spoke with in April 2025. At the time of our first discussion with Tom, recorded in Part 1 of this series, Tom was awaiting a decision of the United Kingdom’s Supreme Court on the appeal of his August 2015 conviction, arising from his work submitting rates on behalf of bank he worked for, which were used to determine the London Interbank Offered Rate (or, LIBOR)—a benchmark rate, to which ...
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  Our Discussion with Philadelphia U.S. Attorney David Metcalf 14.01.2026 40мин

  Send us Fan Mail In the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, home to Philadelphia and its surrounding counties, the U.S. Attorney is David Metcalf. We spoke shortly after the end of the government shutdown, at a time when the U.S. Department of Justice is under great scrutiny. The job of U.S. Attorney is always challenging, and even more so in the current climate, so we appreciated U.S. Attorney Metcalf generously sharing his time and thoughts with JustPod listeners.
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  Artist Mark Loughney Discusses Creating Art from Prison, and His Exhibition of “Pyrrhic Defeat,” Showcasing His Portraits of Fellow Inmates in Pennsylvania State Prison 12.11.2025 44мин

  Send us Fan Mail Mark Loughney’s art has been exhibited at the Museum of Modern Art (“MoMa PS-1”), and published in The New Yorker and The Atlantic. His black-and-white ink drawings evoke a mix of M.C. Escher and Salvadore Dali, with surreal landscapes and bizarre figures. But Loughney is also well known for his series of prison portraits. They’re prison portraits, not only because they depict prisoners, but also because they were drawn when Loughney himself was serving a 10...
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  Gary Tyler’s Quest for Justice in Louisiana’s Angola Prison 07.11.2025 57мин

  Send us Fan Mail [For a complementary audio excerpt of Gary Tyler’s book, narrated by Cary Hite, describing the point when Tyler is considering accepting a government plea agreement, and starting life outside Angola, listen here. Copyright © 2025 by Gary Tyler. Audio excerpt courtesy of Simon & Schuster. Audio read by Cary Hite, from the audiobook Stitching Freedom by Gary Tyler, published by Simon & Schuster Audio, a Division of Simon & Schuster, Inc. Used with permission f...
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  Sentencing reform, statutory mandatory minimum sentences, and the quest for justice:  Our discussion with retired federal District Judge Mark W. Bennett 03.11.2025 58мин

  Send us Fan Mail The honorable Mark W. Bennett is a retired U.S. District Court Judge, and the former Chief Judge of the Northern District of Iowa. Judge Bennett retired from the federal bench in 2019, and is now Director Emeritus of the Institute for Justice Reform & Innovation at Drake University Law School. Judge Bennett is known for his advocacy for sentencing reform—including his criticism of the federal sentencing guidelines and statutory mandatory minimum sentences—for...
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  From Prison to Prison Consultant: Our Discussion with Joseph De Gregorio 27.10.2025 47мин

  Send us Fan Mail Joseph De Gregorio was raised in a middle-class working family in Brooklyn, and comes from a line of hard workers. His father regularly got up at 4am to work at a plant, where he was a machinist. Joseph himself had the opportunity to get into finance, but the allures of Wall Street, gambling, and addiction, ultimately took him down a path toward fraud, and eventually a federal criminal conviction and a term of imprisonment. Today, as the founder of JN Adviso...
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  White Collar Talks: Upcoming International White Collar Crime Institute in Geneva 20.10.2025 33мин

  Send us Fan Mail Joe Whitley (Womble Bond Dickinson) discusses the ABA Criminal Justice Section’s International White Collar Crime Institute (a special convening of the Global White Collar Crime Institute and the London White Collar Crime Institute) in Geneva, Switzerland on November 17-18, 2025, with Nina Marino (Kaplan Marino) and Lucian Dervan (Belmont University College of Law). Registration is ongoing at Criminal Justice Section Events.
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  When You Come at the King: Our interview of National Best-Selling Author and CNN Senior Legal Analyst Elie Honig, about his recently released book on investigations of U.S. Presidents 26.09.2025 46мин

  Send us Fan Mail Elie Honig is CNN’s Senior Legal Analyst, and a former federal prosecutor. He is the bestselling author of Hatchet Man: How Bill Barr Broke the Prosecutor's Code and Corrupted the Justice Department (published by HarperCollins in 2021), and Untouchable: How Powerful People Get Away with It (also published by HarperCollins, in 2023). Elie is most recently the author of the recently released book When You Come at the King: Inside DOJ's Pursuit of the President, from...
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  White Collar Talks: 11th Southeastern White Collar Crime Institute 27.08.2025 35мин

  Send us Fan Mail Nina Marino, Joe Whitley and Brian McEvoy share in a meaningful discussion about the ABA Criminal Justice Section’s Annual Southeastern White Collar Crime Institute and what to expect at this year’s 11th conference next week at Chateau Elan, Georgia. Registration is ongoing.
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  International Prisoner Transfers:  A Conversation with Bruce Zagaris 18.08.2025 40мин

  Send us Fan Mail What is the process for transferring a criminal defendant from U.S. custody to a foreign country? We learn this and more from our discussion with Bruce Zagaris, a Partner in the Washington, DC Office of Berliner, Corcoran, and Rowe, who is an expert on international prisoner transfers. Bruce is a widely known expert in the field of international criminal law, and is the co-author of International Criminal Law: Cases and Materials (now in its 4th edition), as well ...