The Walk: A Devotional Podcast from Worship Leader Magazine

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  Ep 187: Tauren Wells: What Church Planting Actually Costs You 16.09.2026 49min

  Tauren Wells has four boys under fourteen, a church he planted two years ago, a book, and a live album arriving October 2. Asked how he balances it, he says he gave up on balance a long time ago. What he chases instead is rhythm and discernment about the season he's actually in. He puts it this way: he's spent stretches of his life looking like a man in a fur coat at the fireworks on the Fourth of July, doing the right thing in the wrong season. The call to plant a church came in 2006, while he was still in Bible college. What followed was seventeen years of waiting. He got married in 2011, served on staff at his in-laws' church in Houston, left his band in 2015 expecting to do music as a hobby, and then found himself on tour with Lionel Richie and Mariah Carey. He served five years at Lakewood as a pastoral worship leader. God gave him the name Whitestone in 2016 and the full vision with it, but no city. Austin came in 2022. When he asked his wife's cousin why so many things in town carried the name, he learned that Austin sits on Texas limestone, and that limestone is called white stone. Church of Whitestone launched January 28, 2024. Then Kurtis, a church planter himself, asks for the part that doesn't make the Instagram page. Tauren calls it battles and blessings. On the morning they announced the church in Georgetown, it rained all day, the radar opened for exactly two hours, and 4,000 people showed up for Good Friday. In the hotel room beforehand, one of his sons had a health scare out of nowhere. Stretch that over two years, he says, and you get a sense of it. About a year ago he came close to his first panic attack, convinced he was alone in a way no one could relate to, which he now names as a lie. On the other side of the ledger: over a thousand people have given their lives to Jesus in two years, nearly a thousand baptisms, more than a million dollars given to missions, and average attendance around 2,400 across four services. That leads into what may be the heart of the episode, the power of your yes. Tauren wrote a song that didn't make the album with the line "you have my yes, you have my here am I, Lord send me." He says it's the constant posture of a Jesus follower and you never graduate from it. Yesterday's yes doesn't cover today's assignment. And the yes usually isn't a thousand baptisms; it's forgiving the person you've been bitter toward, or having the conversation you've been avoiding. On collaboration, he traces a real shift in himself. He grew up in a culture that rewarded individual achievement, and long believed the highest statement was "I did it." He now calls that a poison to purpose, and reframes the question from "what's in it for me" to "what's in me for this." He wanted the record to be the church rather than himself, so it started with the people already around him, Whitestone worship pastor Demetri Wells and longtime collaborator Davies., both of whom moved their families to Austin, before it ever grew to include Tasha Cobbs Leonard, Israel Houghton, Naomi Raine, Paul and Hannah McClure, Abbie Gamboa, Todd Galberth, Tiffany Hudson, Hulvey and Red Rocks Worship. He also makes a point of the people you never see: God, he says, has a very deep bench. The leadership section is worth the episode on its own. Tauren preaches 30 to 36 times a year and has led worship maybe four times in two and a half years, describing himself as the church mascot and the number one worship leader on the front row. He explains why the frequency of feedback determines the health of a church, and walks through the hard power and soft power framework he credits to Erwin McManus and Rich Wilkerson Jr. Hard power is "shut out the light." Soft power gets the same result through inference and suggestion. Whitestone aims for 90% soft power, so the remaining 10% has relational equity behind it. It closes at Austin City Limits Moody Theater the night before the recording. The room went to the floor during "Bless Your Name." Tasha Cobbs Leonard was singing, Lorna began to pray and cry out in tongues, and Tauren describes it as a war cry going out from the heart of Austin. He believes God sent the Levites into one of the most creatively iconic cities in America. On the record you can hear him shouting to fill the room with the sound, then the city. "Yesterday's yes is not sufficient for today's assignment." - Tauren Wells ABOUT TAUREN WELLS Tauren Wells is a multi-platinum recording artist, bestselling author and pastor with 11 GRAMMY nominations, eight GMA Dove Awards, seven No. 1 radio hits and over 2.5 billion global streams. His RIAA-certified singles include the platinum hits "Known" and "Hills and Valleys" and gold singles "God's Not Done With You" and "Famous For (I Believe)." He has toured with Lionel Richie and Mariah Carey and collaborated across genres with artists from H.E.R. to Lecrae. In 2025 he released his debut book, Joy Bomb: Unleash Jesus's Explosive Joy for an Extraordinary Life. He and his wife Lorna are co-lead pastors of Church of Whitestone in Austin, Texas, which they launched in January 2024. His first live album, Here Comes The Church, recorded before a sold-out crowd at Austin City Limits Moody Theater, releases October 2. IN THIS EPISODE Why he gave up on balance entirely, and what he chases insteadSeventeen years between the call to plant a church and the church actually openingHow God gave him the name Whitestone in 2016 and the city six years laterThe battles nobody sees: the near panic attack, the isolation, the two years of oppositionA thousand salvations, nearly a thousand baptisms, and a million dollars to missions in two yearsWhy yesterday's yes doesn't cover today's assignment"I did it" as a poison to purpose, and the better question he asks nowHard power versus soft power, and why Whitestone runs 90 percent softThe night at Moody Theater when the whole room went to the floor LINKS Tauren Wells: https://www.taurenwells.com/Here Comes The Church (pre-order, vinyl and CD): https://store.capitolcmglabelgroup.com/collections/tauren-wellsTour dates: https://www.taurenwells.com/tour/Music: https://www.taurenwells.com/music/Joy Bomb (Zondervan): https://www.zondervan.com/p/joy-bombChurch of Whitestone: https://www.yourwhitestone.orgInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/taurenwells/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/taurenwellsofficial/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/tgwells04X: https://twitter.com/taurenwellsKurtis Parks: https://www.kurtisparks.comWorship Leader: https://worshipleader.com SPONSOR This episode is brought to you by Planning Center, the all-in-one software that helps your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. 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  Ep 186: Love Song: 60% of Your Church Is Not Singing 09.09.2026 1h 11min

  Tommy Coomes and Jay Truax were there. Not adjacent to the Jesus Movement, not students of it, but in it, on the beach, in the room. They're two of the founding members of Love Song, and this conversation is the long version of how a handful of California musicians accidentally became the front end of an entire industry. Jay starts at the beginning. He was an inland surfer who helped build the first skateboards out of plywood and cut-up roller skates on his dad's bandsaw. He talked his father into a guitar instead of a trumpet, got a 1957 Strat from a pawn shop for ninety dollars, and traded it in 1963 for a brand new Fender Jazz bass. Two weeks later his band opened for the Beach Boys in a skating rink, and Brian Wilson asked to borrow the bass. Jay was fifteen. Then came the surfing, the LSD, a string of bands, and two years in Salt Lake City playing alongside the Grateful Dead and Creedence. Tommy played trumpet for fourteen years, formed a band, and within six months all three of them were drafted at the height of Vietnam. Fred Field went to Vietnam. Chuck Butler went to South Korea. Tommy went to Germany, where he got deep into drugs mostly out of loneliness. He spent his leave in London and was standing on Carnaby Street the day Apple released its first four singles, with "Hey Jude" blasting out of every doorway. He came home in early 1969 planning to quit music and get a real job. Then friends dragged him to see a band called Love Song at a bar in Costa Mesa, and somewhere in a song he decided he couldn't quit after all. The heart of it is what happened next, and how little of it was planned. Tommy invokes the opening of 1 John, this is what we saw, this is what we heard, and calls himself and Jay living witnesses, noting that the generation who can say that is thinning out. Jay's account of the Holy Spirit is the plainest thing in the episode: it comes about when you pull the plug on everything and stop getting in the way. They woke up with no idea what the day held and played three times a day, in jails, convalescent homes, high schools, two services at the Orange County jail. Jay compares it to being firemen. The phone rang and they went. They tell it without polishing it. There's the Seventh Day Adventist church where they had no idea the congregation was vegetarian until Fred gave his testimony about being delivered from vegetarianism. There's Madison Square Garden one week and a flatbed truck on the Rio Grande in El Paso the next, which is where Tommy lands one of the best lines in the episode about being the same person in front of sixteen people or fifty thousand. There's Calvary Chapel going from a room the fire marshal capped around 220 to 2,500 people in a matter of months, with local pastors turning up in white belts to see what was going on. Then Maranatha! Music, which is the part worship leaders will want. Chuck Smith sent them to a four-track studio in Huntington Beach. The compilation cost four thousand dollars, sold 160,000 copies with no distribution, and the records lived in a Sunday school room. Michael W. Smith found a copy in a used clothing store in West Virginia, took it home, and walked the aisle of his Baptist church six weeks later. Twenty years on, Tommy asked Chuck Smith why he'd started the label. The answer: because the band had no gas money and he figured an album to sell would get them home. Kurtis asks about Chuck Fromm, who founded Worship Leader, and the two of them light up. Chuck Smith's nephew, called down from a city administration job in Yuba City to run Maranatha!, a man who used his Rolodex as a thinking tool and would talk an idea through with someone for an hour just to hear it out loud. Tommy tells the story of Chuck buying property and building a real studio without telling his uncle first. It opened in 1978 with fifty of the best tube mics in the world, and they recorded in it nonstop. The last stretch is a challenge. Tommy is blunt about what he sees walking into rooms as a producer: he estimates 60% of people in the pews aren't singing at all, and he lays it at the feet of volume and craft rather than sincerity. He points to Cliff Barrows, who never called it worship and always called it community singing, and who could make fifty thousand people feel like a living room. His charge to worship leaders is to be a communicator first, because there are plenty of great players and very few great communicators. He also refuses the easy version of the argument, insisting God isn't an either-or God and that he's all in when a room full of people knows the songs and pours their hearts out. Kurtis closes by asking whether God could do something like the Jesus Movement again. Tommy says yes, and points out that people get serious about finding a raft when the ship starts sinking. Then he tells his own conversion story, which he'd been saving. He was working a factory job, paying off a court fine, living with his parents, one day from starting at his father's construction company. There was a note by the phone about an anti-drug rally. Love Song played three services for the Orange County police department, the same department that had illegally searched him and put him through a year of court. On the third service he ended up on the floor crying for forty-five minutes. "If there's sixteen people in front of you, or sixteen thousand or fifty thousand, you gotta be the same guy." - Tommy Coomes ABOUT TOMMY COOMES AND JAY TRUAX Tommy Coomes and Jay Truax are founding members of Love Song, the band formed in the late 1960s out of the counterculture scene in Laguna Beach, California, and widely regarded as the first Christian rock band. Alongside Chuck Girard, John Mehler, Fred Field and Bob Wall, they came out of the Southern California club circuit, with Jay's earlier bands sharing stages with the Grateful Dead, Creedence and Canned Heat, before finding their way to Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa under Pastor Chuck Smith. Love Song became one of the founding acts of Maranatha! Music and helped shape what Time magazine called the "Jesus Revolution" in 1971, influencing a generation of artists who followed. Tommy went on to a long career as a producer and has worked for years with the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. IN THIS EPISODE Jay building skateboards out of roller skates before you could buy oneA ninety-dollar 1957 Strat, and Brian Wilson borrowing his brand new bass at fifteenThree bandmates drafted within six weeks at the height of VietnamCarnaby Street the day Apple released its first four singlesComing home to quit music, and hearing Love Song at a bar in Costa Mesa instead"Living witnesses" and why Tommy thinks the record matters nowJay on the Holy Spirit, and what it means to pull the plug on your own plansMaranatha Music, four thousand dollars, and 160,000 copies in a Sunday school roomMichael W. Smith finding the record in a used clothing store in West VirginiaWhy Chuck Smith actually started the label: gas moneyChuck Fromm, the Rolodex, and the studio he built without telling his uncleTommy's challenge on volume, craft, and community singingThe factory job, the note by the phone, and three services for the police who arrested him LINKS A Band Called LoveSong (documentary): https://www.abandcalledlovesong.com/Kurtis Parks: https://www.kurtisparks.comWorship Leader: https://worshipleader.com SPONSOR This episode is brought to you by Planning Center, the all-in-one software that helps your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Start free, no credit card required: https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=worshipleader&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=the_walk&utm_content=episode_186_love_song Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
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  Ep 185: Franni Cash: I Grew Up in a Cult and Had to Relearn God 02.09.2026 43min

  Franni Cash spent most of her twenties as one-quarter of We The Kingdom: two Grammy nominations, three Dove Awards, two No. 1 songs. Then she left the family band at the end of 2023 and nearly walked away from music entirely, paralyzed by the fear of not measuring up to what she'd already done. She looked into acting and seriously considered going to school for interior design. What pulled her back was friends passing her demos around behind her back and refusing to delete them. She wrote more than 200 songs to find her own voice and narrowed them to the thirteen on her debut solo album, Here I Am, out September 18. Her rule: only the songs she kept reaching for in the car, not the ones that might scratch an itch in the Christian market. Then the conversation turns to "Raised By Wolves." Franni grew up in a religious cult for twelve years of her childhood, which her family left during her senior year of high school. Her husband suggested the title, drawn from the warning in Matthew 7 about false prophets who come in sheep's clothing but are inwardly ravenous wolves. She wrote it with David Leonard and Andy Cherry, and it was David who spoke the opening line: "be quiet little girl." She had assumed a story that specific would isolate her. Instead she found that when something is that personal it becomes universal, because everyone knows what betrayal from a safe place feels like. On the music itself: songwriter Paul Duncan told her he wasn't worried about her relationship with her family, he was worried about her relationship with music, and sent her on "musical dates" with no goal but enjoyment. Al Green, Elton John and Marvin Gaye on the record player. Long drives in a beat-up 1978 Corvette off Facebook Marketplace. Six producers worked on Here I Am, with Franni as executive producer holding it together. Asked what she wants listeners to take away, Franni lands on one word: validation. She talks about narrative therapy and learning that not all twelve of those years were bad, because her grandmothers poured scripture into her, and that's what "Jesus Girl" is really about. She pushes back on the idea that people outside the faith are simply choosing sin. In her experience, someone misrepresented God to them. The episode closes with bravery. Franni grew up believing women were less than men. On the Brandon Lake tour she felt the Holy Spirit tell her she was brave and should ask to open the second leg, and minutes later her guitar player picked a worn card off the dressing room floor that read, in gold letters, "I am brave." She asked. He said yes the next day. Then Amy Grant invited her to lunch, listened to "Darken the Doorway," and asked her to join The Me That Remains Tour. "Don't let anybody keep you small or silent." - Franni Cash ABOUT FRANNI CASH Franni Cash is a two-time GRAMMY-nominated artist, three-time Dove Award winner, performer, vocalist and songwriter. Formerly of We The Kingdom, she co-wrote two No. 1 songs and was named one of the Top 20 breakout artists across all genres. Following her departure from the band, she released her debut EP Good Woman and now her debut solo album, Here I Am, out September 18: thirteen autobiographical songs covering her years in a religious cult, reclaiming her faith, and stepping into her own voice. She has shared stages with Lauren Daigle and Brandon Lake, and joins Amy Grant this fall on The Me That Remains Tour. IN THIS EPISODE Why leaving We The Kingdom nearly ended her music careerThe friends who passed her demos around against her wishesWriting over 200 songs to find her own voiceThe story behind "Raised By Wolves," Matthew 7, and twelve years inside a religious cultWhy she believed her story would isolate her, and what happened insteadNarrative therapy, her grandmothers, and what "Jesus Girl" is actually aboutMusical dates, a 1978 Corvette, and falling in love with music on her own termsThe card that said "I am brave," asking Brandon Lake for a second tour, and Amy Grant's kitchen table LINKS Franni Cash: https://www.frannicash.com/Here I Am (pre-order / stream): https://frannicash.lnk.to/hereiamWETour dates: https://www.frannicash.com/tour/"Raised By Wolves": https://frannicash.lnk.to/raisedbywolvesWE"Jesus All Along": https://frannicash.lnk.to/JesusAllAlongWE"Menace": https://frannicash.lnk.to/hereiamEMHere I Am vinyl and CD: https://store.capitolcmglabelgroup.com/collections/franni-cashInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/frannicashTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@frannicashYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FranniCashSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4fxcjHw2RUb4fBwuqHufT1Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/franni-cash/694735313Kurtis Parks: https://www.kurtisparks.comWorship Leader: https://worshipleader.com SPONSOR This episode is brought to you by Planning Center, the all-in-one software that helps your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. 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  Ep 184: DOE: You Haven’t Failed Because You Need a Side Job 28.08.2026 46min

  What happens when you reach a milestone you once dreamed about and discover you still have to trust God tomorrow? GRAMMY Award-winning artist DOE joins Kurtis Parks on The Walk for an unusually honest conversation about success, ambition, work, calling, community, motherhood, and learning to see God as Provider. From growing up making music with her family in forever JONES to stepping into a solo career, DOE shares how God has used both opportunity and uncertainty to form her along the way. DOE opens up about leaving familiar seasons when she sensed the grace had lifted, driving Uber while pursuing music, and why even after winning a GRAMMY she refuses to measure success by whether music is her only source of income. Her perspective on “holy ambition” is equally challenging: ambition becomes healthy when our time, energy, finances, relationships, health, and gifts are surrendered to God and stewarded well. The conversation also turns toward the making of her new live album, Shiloh. DOE wanted the record to reflect the breadth of the church and the musical traditions that formed her, honoring different cultural expressions rather than merely imitating them. The result is a project shaped by community, generations, worship, and a desire to point people toward God. If you’ve ever wondered whether needing another job means your dream failed, struggled to distinguish holy ambition from striving, or tried to trust God in an unpredictable season, DOE’s story offers a needed reminder: your calling was never meant to replace your Provider. Guest Bio DOE, born Dominique Jones, is a GRAMMY Award-winning singer, songwriter, and musician whose music crosses Christian and Gospel traditions. Raised in a musical family, she began performing professionally as a teenager with her parents and siblings in the multi-GRAMMY-nominated group forever JONES before launching her solo career. Her 2025 album Heart of a Human won Best Contemporary Christian Music Album, and her third solo album, Shiloh, releases August 28 through Provident Entertainment and Sony Music. Episode Highlights What does “holy ambition” actually look like? DOE explains why ambition submitted to Scripture and the Holy Spirit becomes a question of stewardship rather than self-promotion. Can you be successful and still need another source of income? DOE shares that she still has her Uber account and recently earned her real estate license, challenging the idea that bivocational work means failure. How do you know when a season is over? DOE describes leaving youth ministry and eventually stepping beyond the security of her family’s musical identity. Why does healthy community matter for ambitious people? DOE talks about finding relationships that turn potential competition into genuine support. What can difficult experiences produce in us? DOE reflects on how God can use hard experiences to develop resilience. What did winning a GRAMMY teach her? The album DOE found hardest to complete became the project that won, reminding her that God can connect what looks like scattered dots into a meaningful picture. What makes Shiloh different? DOE shares her desire to honor the musical languages and church traditions that shaped her while creating one cohesive worship experience. Pull Quote “You have not failed if you still have another job on the side.” That is probably the strongest verbatim social hook in the entire interview. Helpful Links DOE Official Websitehttps://www.doejonesmusic.com/ DOE on Instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/doejonesmusic/ DOE on Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/doejonesmusic/ DOE on TikTokhttps://www.tiktok.com/@doejonesmusic DOE’s supplied bio identifies Shiloh as arriving August 28 via Provident Entertainment and Sony Music. Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it free today:https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=worshipleader&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=the_walk&utm_content=episode_184_doe Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
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  Ep 183: Iveth Luna: When God’s “No” Makes You Question Who You Are 18.08.2026 36min

  What happens when you believe God has called you to something—but every door keeps closing? On Episode 183 of The Walk, host Kurtis Parks sits down with bilingual Christian artist and worship leader Iveth Luna for an honest conversation about calling, identity, fear, motherhood, worship, and trusting God in seasons that don't make sense. Iveth grew up in the Dallas, Texas area in a family deeply rooted in ministry. Her grandfather—a pastor, missionary, and church planter—helped show her what a life of faith could look like. She began leading worship at 16 and eventually sensed God calling her into music. But when opportunities with American Idol and The Voice repeatedly ended in closed doors, Iveth began questioning more than her calling. She started questioning who she was. That painful season eventually led to depression—but also to healing. Iveth shares how God rebuilt her identity around a truth she now carries into every season: before she is a singer, artist, worship leader, wife, or mother, she is a daughter of the King. Now living in Nashville with her husband and young son, Iveth is stepping into a new chapter with music including Making Ways and the bilingual worship release “House of God” / “Casa De Dios.” She shares why motherhood has changed the way she sees the people she leads, what the Spanish-speaking Church can teach us about worship, and why she refuses to let fear make her decisions anymore. In This Episode What happens when God gives you a dream, but the doors keep closing? Iveth shares how rejection forced her to confront where she had placed her identity. Can your calling become too connected to your identity? Iveth explains why being a daughter of God has to come before being a worship leader. How do you keep fear from controlling your life? She reflects on years of allowing fear to have the final say—and why she refuses to live that way anymore. What can the wider Church learn from Spanish-speaking worship communities? Iveth talks about reverence, joy, expression, cultural diversity, and the beauty of every tribe and tongue worshiping Jesus. How does becoming a mother change the way you lead worship? Iveth shares how motherhood has given her a deeper compassion for the people in front of her. What do you do in a season of transition? Sometimes worship looks like leading from a platform. Sometimes it looks like worshiping Jesus with your family in the living room. Pull Quote “I am a worship leader, but first off, I’m a daughter of the King. And every season is going to look different, and it’s okay.” Connect with Iveth Luna Website: IvethLuna.com Listen to “House of God” / “Casa De Dios” and “Making Ways” wherever you stream music. About The Walk The Walk: Faith in the Real WorldReal people. Real moments. True faith. The Walk is a Worship Leader Media podcast featuring honest conversations about what it means to follow Jesus when faith moves beyond what we say and into the way we actually live. Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center. Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
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  Ep 182: Justin Gambino: The Night I Surrendered Everything God Was Trying to Redeem 05.08.2026 47min

  Show Notes Real people. Real moments. True faith. Sometimes God's greatest miracles don't happen overnight—they happen through years of surrender. On this episode of The Walk, Kurtis Parks sits down with Christian artist Justin Gambino for one of his most personal conversations yet. Justin opens up about growing up as a prodigal, serving in the Navy, battling PTSD, addiction, infertility, and learning to trust God's timing through years of waiting. He also shares how becoming a father has completely reshaped his understanding of God's faithfulness and why his newest EP, The Garden of the Lord, is the most personal music he's ever written. Guest Bio Justin Gambino is a Christian singer-songwriter based in Texas whose music reflects a life transformed by God's grace. After serving eight years in the U.S. Navy and overcoming addiction, depression, and PTSD, Justin now travels the country sharing the hope of Christ through music and testimony. His latest EP, The Garden of the Lord, explores intimacy with God, healing, and spiritual growth. Episode Highlights How years of infertility taught Justin to trust God's perfect timing The unexpected lesson God taught him through his newborn son Why vulnerability became one of the greatest tools in his ministry What God showed him about building His Kingdom instead of his own How The Garden of the Lord was written during one of the deepest seasons of spiritual growth Why obedience often comes before understanding The importance of community when you're walking through pain How God uses our testimony to bring freedom to others Pull Quote "When you keep your eyes on the Father, you can trust that His provision is already on the way." Connect with Justin Instagram: @justingambino Listen to The Garden of the Lord on all streaming platforms. Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center. Planning Center is the all-in-one church management software trusted by thousands of churches to organize volunteers, plan services, manage worship teams, and keep ministries running smoothly. Try it today: https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=worshipleader&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Watch the full conversation on the Worship Leader Media YouTube channel. Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
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  Ep 181: Leanna Crawford: Thank God for the Prayers He Didn't Answer 29.07.2026 39min

  What if the greatest blessing in your life is a prayer God never answered the way you expected? In Episode 181 of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Dove Award-winning artist Leanna Crawford shares the deeply personal journey behind her sophomore album, Thank God. While many know Leanna for her No. 1 hit "Still Waters (Psalm 23)," this conversation reveals the seasons of disappointment, comparison, anxiety, and healing that shaped the songs on her newest record. Leanna opens up about nearly walking away from music, how counseling helped her rediscover joy, and why she's now grateful that God didn't answer every prayer the way she wanted. She also shares the excitement surrounding her Grand Ole Opry debut, her love for country music, and how faith continues to shape every lyric she writes. Whether you're walking through uncertainty, waiting on God, or learning to trust His timing, this conversation is a reminder that His plans are always better—even when they don't make sense at first. Guest Bio Leanna Crawford is a Dove Award-winning singer-songwriter based in Nashville, Tennessee. Named New Artist of the Year at the Dove Awards, she is known for heartfelt songs including the RIAA Gold-certified, Billboard No. 1 hit "Still Waters (Psalm 23)." Her sophomore album, Thank God, blends country influences with honest storytelling and faith-filled encouragement as she continues reaching millions of listeners around the world. Episode Highlights Why Leanna almost walked away from music How counseling helped change her perspective The story behind her new album, Thank God Learning gratitude in seasons of disappointment The growing connection between country and Christian music What it means to trust God's timing instead of your own Her upcoming Grand Ole Opry debut Why a full life includes both joy and sorrow Pull Quote "I'm thankful God didn't answer every prayer the way I wanted Him to." Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center—the all-in-one software that helps churches schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it today:https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Listen Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music Watch Watch the full conversation on the Worship Leader Media YouTube channel. Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
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  Ep 180: 2819 Worship: The Worship Songs That Point to Jesus, Not Ourselves 22.07.2026 45min

  What makes a worship song truly powerful? Is it the melody? The production? The number of streams? According to 2819 Worship, it's much simpler than that: Does the song help people behold Jesus more clearly? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Kurtis Parks sits down with Kristen Pinckney and Trey Heflin of 2819 Worship, the Atlanta-based collective from 2819 Church whose debut single, "For Christ Alone," has quickly become one of the most talked-about new worship songs of the year. The conversation goes far beyond songwriting. Kristen and Trey share the heart behind their church's explosive growth, why every worship gathering begins and ends with prayer, and how a three-year journey through the Gospel of Matthew shaped both their church and their music. They also discuss the spontaneous moment that transformed "For Christ Alone" into a 13-minute worship anthem and why their mission has never been to create viral songs—but songs rooted in Scripture that point people to Christ. Whether you're a worship leader, songwriter, pastor, or someone longing for deeper worship, this episode is a timely reminder that our greatest calling is not influence—it's faithfulness. Guest Bio 2819 Worship is the worship collective of 2819 Church in Atlanta, Georgia, led by Pastor Philip Anthony Mitchell. Comprised of worship leaders, musicians, and songwriters including Kristen Pinckney and Trey Heflin, the collective exists to create biblically grounded worship music that helps the Church behold Jesus more clearly. Their debut single, "For Christ Alone," released in partnership with Reach Records, has quickly gained worldwide attention for its Scripture-centered message and authentic live worship expression. Episode Highlights The story behind 2819 Church's remarkable growth Why every worship gathering begins and ends with prayer How a three-year study through Matthew transformed their church The inspiration behind "For Christ Alone" Why worship songs should be rooted in Scripture The spontaneous moment that changed the song forever Faithfulness vs. influence in worship ministry Why today's Church is hungry for biblical truth Pull Quote "We write songs that help people behold Christ more clearly." Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center—the all-in-one software that helps churches schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it today:https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Listen Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music Watch Watch the full conversation on the Worship Leader Media YouTube channel. Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
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  Ep 179: Bodie: The Dream I Had to Surrender Before God Could Use It 15.07.2026 35min

  What do you do when the dream you've spent your life chasing no longer makes sense? In Episode 179 of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, singer-songwriter and worship leader Bodie shares the surprising story behind his rise from local church worship leader to runner-up on NBC's The Voice and one of Christian music's fastest-rising artists. Before millions watched him compete on national television, Bodie was already considering walking away from music altogether. Discouraged, exhausted, and questioning his future, he found himself at a crossroads where surrender became more important than success. Then came an unexpected opportunity that changed everything. In this conversation, Bodie opens up about identity, calling, worship leadership, songwriting, family life on the road, and the challenge of keeping Jesus at the center when opportunities begin multiplying. He also shares the heart behind his new single, "Almost Famous," and why he's learned that true success is measured by obedience, not recognition. Along the way, you'll hear stories from The Voice, lessons learned from touring with artists like Colton Dixon and Elevation Rhythm, and powerful moments where God's presence redirected the course of his life. Whether you're a worship leader, creative, musician, or simply someone trying to follow God's leading in a season of uncertainty, this episode offers a timely reminder that surrender often comes before breakthrough. Guest Bio Bodie first captured national attention as the runner-up on Season 22 of NBC's The Voice. Since then, his debut album No Skips has generated more than 38 million streams, and he has toured with artists including Elevation Rhythm, Colton Dixon, and Seth Schluter. A worship leader, songwriter, and artist, Bodie combines alternative rock influences with honest faith-filled storytelling. Originally from Los Angeles, he now serves in ministry while continuing to create music that points listeners toward Jesus. Episode Highlights • Why Bodie was preparing to quit music before The Voice • The conversation with God that changed his perspective on calling • How surrender became the foundation of his career • What worship leadership taught him about success • The story behind his new single, "Almost Famous" • Touring, family life, and staying grounded in ministry • How God's presence met him in one of the lowest moments of his life • Why obedience matters more than recognition Pull Quote "You don't choose who you reach. God chooses who you reach." Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software that helps churches schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it today at:https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
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  Ep 178: Bella Taylor Smith: You Can't Lead People Where You've Never Been 08.07.2026 38min

  What if the most important part of worship happens long before Sunday morning? In Episode 178 of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Bella Taylor Smith shares her remarkable journey from a teenager with no church background to becoming one of Christian music's most compelling voices. After winning The Voice Australia in 2021, Bella's life changed dramatically. What began as a simple prompting from the Holy Spirit during the COVID lockdowns eventually led her from Sydney, Australia, to Nashville, Tennessee, where she now records music, leads worship, and serves the global Church through her songs. But behind the success story is a much deeper testimony of God's faithfulness. Bella opens up about coming to faith at age fifteen after a year of attending youth group, the worship moment that changed her life forever, and the people who faithfully showed her Jesus before she was ready to fully surrender her life to Him. She also shares why private devotion fuels public ministry, how worship extends far beyond music, and what she's learning about obedience, surrender, and the fruit of the Spirit in this season. The conversation also explores her new EP, for the home, a companion project to FOR THE HOUSE, designed to help believers encounter God in everyday moments—from devotional time to family life and everything in between. Whether you're a worship leader, songwriter, creative, or simply someone who wants a deeper relationship with Jesus, this episode offers practical encouragement for cultivating a faith that lasts. Guest Bio Bella Taylor Smith first rose to prominence after winning The Voice Australia in 2021. Since then, she has amassed more than 50 million career streams and performed alongside artists including Chris Tomlin, Jeremy Camp, Darlene Zschech, Pentatonix, and Benjamin William Hastings. Originally from Sydney, Australia, Bella began her musical journey as a worship leader at Hillsong Church. She now lives in Franklin, Tennessee, with her husband and producer Josh Cole and continues to write music that serves both the Church and individual believers through worship and discipleship. Episode Highlights • How a simple invitation to youth group changed Bella's life • The worship moment that led her to surrender her life to Christ • Why private devotion fuels public ministry • What winning The Voice Australia taught her about obedience • The story behind her move from Australia to Nashville • Why worship is more than music • The heart behind her new EP, for the home • What it means to live from the overflow of your relationship with God Pull Quote "We can't invite people somewhere we've never been ourselves." Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software that helps churches schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
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  Ep 177: NCS Collective: The Secret Behind Great Worship Songs 01.07.2026 44min

  What does it take to write a worship song that serves the Church? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Kurtis Parks sits down with Justin Barnett, Bryant Urich, and Anne Elise Sherrod of the NCS Collective to talk about songwriting, worship leadership, artist development, and the power of Christian community. The NCS Collective recently released their live worship album, Nothing But the Name, bringing together songwriters, artists, worship leaders, and creatives from across the country. But this conversation goes far beyond a new album. Bryant, Justin, and Anne Elise share how Nashville Christian Songwriters grew from a songwriting coaching program into a thriving creative community that helps Christian songwriters, worship leaders, and artists develop their craft while staying rooted in their faith. They discuss the songwriting process, the challenges of creating a live worship album, why community matters for creatives, and what they've learned from bringing together people from different church traditions, generations, and backgrounds around a shared love for Jesus. If you're a worship leader, songwriter, musician, or creative wondering how God can use your gifts for His Kingdom, this conversation is packed with practical wisdom and encouragement. Guest Bio The NCS Collective is the artist and worship expression of Nashville Christian Songwriters, a songwriting community, record label, publishing company, and artist development platform founded by industry veteran John Chisum. The collective exists to create and release faith-filled worship music while helping Christian songwriters and artists grow in their craft and calling. Their latest live worship album, Nothing But the Name, features songs written and led by members of the NCS community. Episode Highlights The story behind Nashville Christian Songwriters and the NCS Collective How a songwriting community became a record label and artist development platform The making of the live worship album Nothing But the Name Why collaboration beats competition in Christian music How songwriting helps believers tell their stories of faith The importance of artist development in today's music industry Why becoming a great songwriter starts with learning to tell the truth well How worship songs move from private prayer to congregational worship Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software that helps churches schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it today at:https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
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  Ep 176: Ginny Owens: What We Sing Shapes What We Believe 24.06.2026 42min

  What if the songs we sing on Sunday are shaping our faith more than we realize? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, award-winning artist, songwriter, worship leader, and author Ginny Owens joins us for a thoughtful conversation about worship, theology, discipleship, and the responsibility of leading people in song. After nearly three decades in Christian music, Ginny now serves at Redeemer Church Lincoln Square in New York City, where she helps lead worship in one of the most influential and spiritually diverse cities in the world. She shares what ministry looks like in a post-Christian culture, how worship can help people encounter Jesus, and why every worship leader should think deeply about the songs they choose. Ginny also discusses her new EP, Different Kind of Water, inspired by Jesus' conversation with the woman at the well in John 4. The project explores the longing every person carries and why Christ alone offers the living water that truly satisfies. Along the way, you'll hear stories from her years of touring, lessons learned from studying under Tim Keller, the vision behind The Asaph Project, and practical wisdom for worship leaders seeking to serve their churches with both theological depth and creativity. Whether you're a worship leader, songwriter, pastor, or simply someone who loves the Church, this conversation will challenge you to think more intentionally about worship and the truths that shape your faith. Guest Bio Ginny Owens has been a leading voice in Christian music for nearly three decades. A Dove Award-winning singer-songwriter, worship leader, and author, Ginny currently serves at Redeemer Church Lincoln Square in New York City. Her latest EP, Different Kind of Water, explores themes of spiritual longing, identity, and the living water found only in Christ. She is also launching The Asaph Project, a new initiative designed to provide biblically grounded training and resources for worship leaders. Episode Highlights • What ministry looks like in a post-Christian culture like New York City • Why worship songs are "portable theology" and shape what believers remember • Lessons learned from studying under Tim Keller • The vision behind The Asaph Project and training the next generation of worship leaders • Why singability matters more than most worship leaders realize • The story behind Ginny's new EP, Different Kind of Water • How churches can better connect worship, theology, and discipleship Pull Quote "WORSHIP MUSIC IS OUR PORTABLE THEOLOGY. WHAT WE SING IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO REMEMBER." Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it free today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Listen Links Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music YouTube Watch the full conversation on the Worship Leader Media YouTube channel. Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
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  Ep 175: Amanda Janson: When God's Calling Becomes an Idol 17.06.2026 41min

  What happens when the thing you believe God called you to becomes more important than God Himself? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Amanda Janson shares one of the most honest and powerful testimonies we've ever featured on the podcast. Before releasing her debut album, Sinner to Saint, Amanda found herself living the dream she thought God had given her. After moving to Nashville, pursuing Christian music, and chasing every opportunity she could find, the pressure began to take its toll. What started as a calling slowly became an obsession, and eventually her mental health collapsed under the weight of expectations. Amanda opens up about battling shame, depression, suicidal thoughts, and the moment God interrupted her darkest season. She shares how confession, surrender, worship, and rediscovering her identity in Christ became the pathway to healing and freedom. You'll also hear the story behind songs like "No Dark Corners" and "Where the Warfare Ends," why vulnerability matters in ministry, and how God used brokenness to create a message of hope through her debut album. This conversation is for anyone who feels exhausted, overwhelmed, discouraged, or trapped beneath expectations. Amanda's story is proof that God's grace reaches even into our darkest moments. Guest Bio Amanda Janson is a singer-songwriter, worship leader, and recording artist based in Nashville, Tennessee. Her debut album, Sinner to Saint, tells the story of God's redemption throughout her life—from addiction and depression to healing, freedom, and purpose. Amanda leads worship, writes music rooted in testimony, and shares openly about identity, mental health, and God's relentless pursuit of His children. Episode Highlights • How Amanda walked away from a promising opportunity before finding Christ • Why Christian success became an unhealthy idol • The hidden mental health struggle that nearly cost her everything • The powerful role confession plays in healing and freedom • How worship extends far beyond music • The story behind "No Dark Corners" and "Where the Warfare Ends" • Why identity is one of the most overlooked topics in the Church today Pull Quote "THE LORD ASKED ME, 'WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU—YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH ME OR YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH MUSIC?'" Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software that helps churches schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Learn more at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Listen Now Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music YouTube Watch the full episode on Worship Leader Media's YouTube channel. Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
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  Ep 174: Consumed By Fire: What to Do When You Want to Quit 10.06.2026 45min

  What do you do when you're exhausted, discouraged, and ready to quit? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, the brothers of Consumed By Fire share the deeply personal story behind some of the hardest seasons of their lives—and how God met them in the middle of it. Known for hit songs like "First Things First" and "Walk With Jesus," Caleb, Jordan, and Josh Ward open up about growing up in ministry, carrying on a family legacy of faith, life on the road, and the reality of burnout. They share how their father's years-long health battle forced them to confront exhaustion, disappointment, and questions about whether they could keep going. But this conversation isn't ultimately about burnout. It's about faith. It's about learning to trust God when you're tired, letting go of control, and discovering that God's calling doesn't disappear when life gets difficult. You'll also hear the story behind the band's name, why Scripture remains central to their songwriting, what they've learned from decades of ministry together as brothers, and the heart behind their upcoming album, Whole Wide World. If you've ever felt weary, overwhelmed, or tempted to walk away from something God called you to, this episode will remind you that God's faithfulness is often most visible when your strength is gone. Guest Bio Consumed By Fire is a Christian rock band made up of brothers Caleb Ward, Jordan Ward, and Josh Ward. Signed to Red Street Records, the group is known for hit songs including "First Things First" and "Walk With Jesus." Raised in a ministry family, the brothers have spent decades sharing the Gospel through music, performing more than 2,000 concerts across North America while carrying forward a legacy of faith, missions, and ministry. Their new album, Whole Wide World, releases June 12. Episode Highlights • The story behind the band's name and the Scripture that inspired it • How their father's health battle changed their perspective on faith and ministry • What to do when you're spiritually and emotionally exhausted • Why God's calling remains even when you feel like quitting • The importance of Scripture, community, and daily spiritual formation • Lessons learned from over 2,000 concerts and decades on the road • The heart behind their upcoming album, Whole Wide World Pull Quote "There have been moments where we said, 'We're done.' I'm just grateful that God never said He was done." Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software that helps churches schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Learn more at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Listen Now Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music YouTube Watch the full episode on Worship Leader Media's YouTube channel. Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
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  Ep 173: Alexandra Osteen: Why Worship Still Matters in a Distracted World 03.06.2026 42min

  What if worship was never just about music? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Alexandra Osteen of Lakewood Music shares an honest conversation about worship, calling, healing, church community, and the faithfulness of God across generations. As the Worship Director at Lakewood Church and part of the leadership behind Lakewood Music’s newest album House of Worship, Alexandra opens up about growing up in ministry, discovering her own personal faith, and learning to say yes to God’s calling—even when it felt intimidating. She also shares the powerful story behind the song Made You Well, inspired by scriptures on healing that her grandmother held onto after receiving a terminal cancer diagnosis decades ago. What began as declarations of faith eventually became part of her testimony of miraculous healing—and now a song being sung by the Church. From songwriting and collaboration to the role worship plays in shaping hearts, this conversation is a reminder that God is still faithful, still moving, and still drawing people close through worship. Guest Bio Alexandra Osteen is the Worship Director at Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas, and a leader with Lakewood Music. A graduate of the University of Texas at Austin, Alexandra has spent years leading worship and writing songs that point people toward the hope and faithfulness of God. She has been featured with Lakewood Music since its debut album Live in the Wonderful and continues to help lead worship for one of the largest and most influential churches in America. Episode Highlights When faith becomes personalAlexandra shares the moment she stopped living off her family’s faith and personally said yes to God’s calling. Why worship is more than music“God inhabits the praises of His people.” Alexandra explains why worship creates space for people to encounter God. The healing story behind “Made You Well”How her grandmother’s miraculous healing shaped one of the album’s most personal songs. How Lakewood Music writes songs for the ChurchWhy their focus is creating worship music rooted deeply in Scripture and hope. The role of community in spiritual growthWhy youth ministry and church community played such a critical role in Alexandra’s faith journey. Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it free today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
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  Ep 172: Alexander Pappas: Worship Isn’t Just for Sunday 27.05.2026 46min

  What if praise was never meant to be a warm-up for worship? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Alexander Pappas—founding member of Hillsong Young & Free and writer of songs like Alive, Wake, Real Love, and Echo—shares a passionate and deeply personal conversation about worship, grace, repentance, and the transformational power of praise. After years of leading worship around the world, Alexander opens up about the tension between confidence and humility, conviction and shame, and why praise is more than fast songs and high energy—it’s a spiritual posture that changes us from the inside out. He also shares the heart behind his new EP Sunday, the stories that shaped songs like It Is So Sweet, and why worship gatherings should equip believers for the other six days of the week. This conversation will challenge the way you think about worship—and remind you why praise still matters. Guest Bio Alexander Pappas is a world-renowned worship leader, songwriter, and founding member of the twice GRAMMY-nominated band Hillsong Young & Free. He is best known for writing songs including Alive, Wake, Real Love, Echo (Elevation Worship), and A Great Awakening. Alexander currently lives in Los Angeles and also serves as a contributor with Lakewood Music. His latest EP, Sunday, explores worship not just as a church experience, but as a lifestyle lived throughout the week. Episode Highlights Why praise is more than emotional hypeAlexander explains how praise shifts our hearts into agreement with God’s truth The difference between conviction and shameHow grace changes the way believers process failure and growth Why worship should prepare you for Monday—not just SundayThe deeper heart behind his new EP Sunday The danger of treating praise like a warm-upWhy fast songs still matter in modern worship culture How songs shape spiritual formation“Music connects our emotions to our intellect.” Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
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  Ep 171: Cliff Preston: The Church Didn’t Hurt You—People Did 20.05.2026 41min

  Church hurt is real.But what if we’ve misunderstood where the hurt actually comes from? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Cliff Preston shares one of the most honest conversations we’ve had about pain, ministry, mental health, and why community still matters even after disappointment. Growing up as the son of a pastor in broken church environments, Cliff experienced firsthand the tension, division, and emotional fallout that ministry can bring. But instead of walking away from the Church, he chose to stay—and help people heal. From leading worship and touring with The Band Table to launching Christ-centered counseling clinics across the country, Cliff opens up about why people need both truth and compassion, why mental health matters in the Church, and how God can resurrect things you thought were over. This episode is raw, hopeful, and deeply needed for anyone carrying disappointment, burnout, or questions about faith and community. Guest Bio Cliff Preston is a pastor, worship leader, songwriter, and entrepreneur from Smackover, Arkansas. For more than 20 years, he has traveled the country leading worship, writing songs, and speaking about faith and mental health. Cliff has written songs recorded by artists including Newsong, JJ Weeks, and Carrollton, and has shared stages with MercyMe, Jeremy Camp, and Natalie Grant. He is also the founder of Christ-centered counseling clinics inspired by the legacy of his late father, professional counselor and pastor Dr. David Preston. Cliff currently partners with People & Songs and serves with The Band Table. Episode Highlights “The church didn’t hurt you—people did”Cliff shares a perspective on church hurt shaped by personal pain and redemption Why mental health and faith belong togetherHow Cliff’s counseling clinics are helping churches care for hurting people The songwriting retreat that changed everythingHow a call from Jenny Riddle resurrected a season Cliff thought was over What real ministry looks like“Anybody can play a guitar and sing a song—ministry happens face to face.” Why community is essential for pastors and leadersThe role friendship and vulnerability play in lasting ministry Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it free today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
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  Ep 170: Meeks Carter: What If God Is Calling You to More? 13.05.2026 44min

  What do you do when God keeps stirring something in your heart—but none of it makes logical sense? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, rising Christian pop artist Meeks Carter shares the incredible story behind his journey from pest control and finance… to signing with Red Street Records and stepping into a calling he couldn’t ignore. But this conversation isn’t really about a record deal. It’s about obedience. It’s about trusting God before you have guarantees.Following Him before you see the outcome.And learning how to steward the gifts He’s placed inside you—even when no one else sees them yet. From building a makeshift studio in his garage after long workdays to moving his family to Nashville with no promises on the table, Meeks opens up about faith, purpose, comparison, creativity, and what it means to simply keep saying “yes” to God. If you’ve ever felt stuck between responsibility and calling, this episode will remind you that God often reveals the next step before He reveals the whole plan. Guest Bio Meeks Carter is a Christian pop artist signed to Red Street Records. Originally from Yakima, Washington, Meeks grew up as a pastor’s kid before attending Highlands College in Birmingham, Alabama. After years working outside of ministry in pest control and finance, Meeks and his family followed God’s leading to Nashville, Tennessee—where he signed with Red Street Records exactly 90 days after relocating. His debut single, “Wonder,” introduces listeners to his fresh pop sound and heart for helping people encounter Jesus through honest, hope-filled music. Episode Highlights What happens when God calls you before the plan makes senseMeeks shares the faith journey that led his family to Nashville with no guarantees Why your calling isn’t your job titleUnderstanding purpose beyond platforms, careers, or recognition Stewarding the gift before the opportunity comesBuilding songs in a garage studio while working long days in pest control How comparison kills callingWhy your assignment from God doesn’t need to look like anyone else’s Why Meeks writes music for the spiritually curiousReaching people who are asking questions about God but don’t know where to start Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
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  Ep 169: Kevin Young: The Truth About Sin No One Talks About 06.05.2026 49min

  Some pain doesn’t just go away.It follows you. It waits. It whispers. And if you’re not careful—it starts to feel like it owns you. In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Kevin Young of the band Disciple shares an unfiltered conversation about sin, freedom, and the battle every believer faces behind the scenes. After more than 30 years in Christian music, Kevin opens up about the reality that following Jesus doesn’t mean you stop struggling—it means you learn how to fight differently. From the story behind “Dear X (You Don’t Own Me)” to the hard lessons of confession, accountability, and healing, this episode is a reminder that the things chasing you don’t get the final word. Guest Bio Kevin Young is the lead vocalist of the Christian rock band Disciple, a group that has spent over 30 years blending hard rock with a bold message of faith. With 13 studio albums, multiple Dove Awards, and songs featured across major platforms like ESPN, WWE, and CBS, Disciple has impacted listeners around the world. Kevin is passionate about evangelism, authenticity, and helping people find freedom through Jesus. Episode Highlights Why sin doesn’t just disappear—it chases youThe powerful metaphor behind “Dear X (You Don’t Own Me)” The danger of “small” compromisesHow sin starts subtle—but spreads like cancer if left unchecked Why confession leads to healingThe difference between hiding struggles and bringing them into the light How music breaks through where words can’tWhy God uses music to reach places nothing else can What it really means to follow JesusNot perfection—but learning, failing, and being formed over time Pull Quote “SIN DOESN’T JUST LEAVE—IT WAITS. BUT THROUGH JESUS, IT DOESN’T OWN YOU ANYMORE.” Helpful Links Disciple Band: https://disciplerocks.com Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it free today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
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  Ep 168: Mark E. Moore: Savior or King? What Most Christians Get Wrong 29.04.2026 57min

  Most Christians would say they know Jesus. But what if we’ve misunderstood who He really is? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Mark E. Moore—teaching pastor at Christ’s Church of the Valley and bestselling author of Core 52—challenges one of the most foundational assumptions in modern faith: not whether we believe in Jesus, but whether we actually understand Him. From his years as a New Testament professor to leading at one of the largest churches in the country, Mark brings clarity to a question that reshapes everything: Have we reduced Jesus to something smaller than who He really is? This conversation explores the tension between seeing Jesus as Savior versus recognizing Him as Messiah and King—and why that distinction changes how we live, lead, and follow Him today. Guest Bio Mark E. Moore is the teaching pastor at Christ’s Church of the Valley in Peoria, Arizona—one of the fastest-growing churches in the United States. He previously spent over 20 years as a New Testament professor at Ozark Christian College and is the bestselling author of Core 52. Mark is passionate about making Scripture accessible, clear, and transformative for everyday life. He and his wife, Barbara, live in Phoenix. Episode Highlights Are we missing the real Jesus?How modern Christianity can unintentionally reshape Jesus into our own image Savior vs. King: why it mattersWhat happens when we embrace Jesus as Savior but ignore His authority as Messiah Why “personal faith” might be incompleteRecovering the power of a shared, lived-out faith in community The danger of a customized JesusHow culture influences the way we interpret Scripture and identity What it actually means to follow Jesus todayMoving from comfort to surrender—and from belief to embodied faith Pull Quote “IF YOU SEE JESUS ONLY AS SAVIOR, YOU’LL WAIT FOR HEAVEN SOMEDAY—INSTEAD OF LIVING ETERNAL LIFE RIGHT NOW.” Helpful Links Mark E. Moore Books: https://www.markmoore.org/ Christ’s Church of the Valley: https://ccv.church Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.