It’s Elementary - An Asbury Theological Seminary Podcast

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  Love Divine: A Wesleyan Systematic Theology | Drs. McCall & Vickers | It's Elementary Podcast Ep. 44 15.09.2026 47min

  What makes theology distinctly Wesleyan? And why does every generation need to wrestle anew with the great doctrines of the Christian faith? In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. David Watson and Dr. Jessica LaGrone welcome Dr. Tom McCall of Asbury Theological Seminary and Dr. Jason Vickers of Baylor University's Truett Seminary to discuss their landmark new book, Love Divine: A Wesleyan Systematic Theology. Drawing from years of scholarship, friendship, and theological reflection, McCall and Vickers explain why they set out to write a new one-volume systematic theology for the Wesleyan tradition and what they hope it will offer to pastors, students, scholars, and churches today. The conversation explores the challenge of articulating a theology that is deeply rooted in Scripture, grounded in the historic Christian tradition, distinctly Protestant, and authentically Wesleyan. McCall and Vickers discuss the collaborative process behind the book, the importance of theological formation, and why theology should never be separated from worship, discipleship, and the Christian life. At the heart of their vision is a profound conviction about the goodness of God. The authors explain why Holy Love serves as a unifying theme throughout the book and how God's love shapes creation, redemption, sanctification, and the ultimate hope of the Christian faith. This episode offers an accessible introduction to Wesleyan theology while inviting listeners to think deeply about God, Scripture, salvation, the church, and the future of the Wesleyan movement. KEY TOPICS COVERED 0:00 Introduction and a new Wesleyan systematic theology1:00 Why every generation needs theological work2:10 Building on the legacy of Thomas Oden6:40 Who this book is for9:20 The theological friendship behind the project12:20 How the book was written collaboratively16:30 Why theology begins in friendship and conversation16:50 Why they chose the title Love Divine18:10 The goodness of God and Holy Love20:00 Sanctification, the Spirit, and perfect love21:20 Where critics may push back26:40 The hardest doctrines to write about28:30 Eschatology, heaven, and theological restraint32:00 Wesleyan identity in a changing church landscape33:10 Theology as worship, prayer, and discipleship35:00 Why Wesleyans must remain both Catholic and Protestant39:50 Which doctrine the church needs most today40:20 The fundamental goodness of creation42:20 Three chapters every pastor should read first44:40 The central message of the book: God is good MENTIONS• Love Divine: A Wesleyan Systematic Theology - Dr. Thomas H. McCall & Dr. Jason E. Vickershttps://www.amazon.com/Love-Divine-Wesleyan-Systematic-Theology/dp/0802876579• Systematic Theology — Thomas Oden• Doxology: A Systematic Theology — Geoffrey Wainwright ASBURY SEMINARY LINKS Podcasts: https://asbury.to/podcastsWebsite: https://asburyseminary.edu/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminaryTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary. The material presented is for general information purposes only.  
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  A Generation Set Apart | Jeannie Banter | It's Elementary Podcast Ep. 43 08.09.2026 55min

  What happens when a generation becomes hungry for God? And what can the Church learn from young people who are eager to live boldly for Christ? In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. Jessica LaGrone welcomes Jeannie Banter, Associate Dean of Student Spiritual Life and University Chaplain at Asbury University, for a powerful conversation about discipleship, spiritual formation, revival, and the next generation. Jeannie shares her personal journey from growing up in a multi-generational Asbury family, to serving in Uganda and the Democratic Republic of Congo, to returning home to help shape the spiritual lives of college students. Along the way, she reflects on how God's work around the world transformed her understanding of the gospel and deepened her passion for raising up Christian leaders. The conversation also offers an inside look at the 2023 Asbury Outpouring. Jeannie recounts how a small group of students lingering after chapel became the beginning of a movement that would capture global attention. She shares remarkable stories of repentance, testimony, healing, and spiritual awakening that continue to shape lives years later. Listeners will also hear about Set Apart Retreats, a ministry designed to help students develop a biblical worldview, understand their identity in Christ, and encounter God in life-changing ways. Through stories of baptisms, conversions, evangelism, and personal transformation, Jeannie offers a hopeful vision for what God is doing among today's young adults. Most importantly, this episode is a reminder that God is still moving, people are still hungry for truth, and the next generation is ready to respond to the full gospel. KEY TOPICS COVERED 0:00 Introduction and Jeannie Banter's story1:10 Growing up in an Asbury family1:50 Running from God and returning to faith3:20 Missions work in Uganda and Congo4:10 Training pastors and seeing God's global church6:20 Lessons learned from believers around the world7:40 Serving as Asbury University's chaplain8:50 Forming students into disciples who make disciples10:00 The beginning of the 2023 Asbury Outpouring11:20 Students longing for God's love and presence12:30 How the outpouring spread across campus14:00 Testimonies that reached the world16:00 Why thousands traveled to Asbury17:30 Hunger for God and the role of the local church20:40 Signs of lasting revival among students21:30 Evangelism and students sharing their faith23:30 Prayer circles outside Lexington bars25:00 The personal transformation God brought through the outpouring28:30 Freedom from the lies “God is not good” and “God does not love me”31:40 The birth of Set Apart Retreats33:30 Helping students own their faith34:40 Identity, biblical worldview, and God's story36:20 Why retreat and solitude matter39:00 What fills you forms you43:00 Baptisms and decisions for Christ on retreat44:30 Stories of transformation from death to life48:40 Expanding Set Apart Retreats for new audiences50:20 Why Jeannie has hope for the next generation52:30 Making room for young people in the church MENTIONS • Asbury University: https://www.asbury.edu/ • Asbury University Set Apart Retreats: https://www.asbury.edu/undergraduate/life-at-asbury/set-apart-retreat/ ASBURY SEMINARY LINKS Podcasts: https://asbury.to/podcastsWebsite: https://asburyseminary.edu/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminaryTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary. The material presented is for general information purposes only.
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  Church Planting and the Multiethnic Community | Brian Taylor | It's Elementary Podcast Ep. 42 01.09.2026 53min

  What does it really take to plant a church from the ground up? And how can the church become a genuine reflection of God's kingdom across cultures, generations, and backgrounds? In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. Jessica LaGrone welcomes Rev. Dr. Brian Taylor, pastor of Every Nation Cincinnati Church, a church planter, an Asbury Seminary alumnus, and a leader within the global Every Nation movement. Drawing from his journey as a student-athlete at Vanderbilt University, campus missionary, church planter, and pastor, Dr. Taylor shares how God transformed his life during college and ultimately called him and his wife to plant a church in Cincinnati. He offers an honest look at the realities of church planting, the challenges of building a congregation from scratch, and the lessons he learned to trust God rather than carry the weight of ministry alone. The conversation also explores Every Nation’s vision for campus ministry and global missions, why reaching university students remains a strategic opportunity for the church, and how local congregations can embrace multicultural leadership and multiethnic community as a reflection of the kingdom of God. Dr. Taylor shares powerful stories from his ministry experience, discussing cultural blind spots, the importance of listening well across differences, and the practical challenges and joys of leading a diverse congregation. He also reflects on family life in ministry, raising children who love the church, and the lasting impact of theological education on faithful pastoral leadership. This encouraging conversation offers wisdom for pastors, church planters, ministry leaders, and anyone seeking to build Christ-centered communities that reflect the beauty of God's diverse kingdom. KEY TOPICS COVERED0:00 Introduction and Brian Taylor's story2:00 Growing up in a Christian home and coming alive in faith during college3:00 Playing football at Vanderbilt and life-changing campus ministry4:20 From campus missionary to church planter6:10 A surprising call to Cincinnati8:10 Why God wanted to grow the pastor before growing the church10:00 The hidden realities of church planting12:00 Leadership lessons learned through ministry13:20 Supporting church planters and serving the wider kingdom15:20 Trusting God with the results of ministry17:20 The vision and mission of Every Nation19:20 Why the campus is one of today's greatest mission fields21:30 The impact of Asbury Seminary on ministry and preaching24:50 Teaching inductive Bible study to the next generation26:10 Building multicultural and multiethnic churches29:20 Why diversity must be a conviction, not a strategy31:20 Navigating cultural tensions within the church36:00 Leadership, representation, and organizational blind spots39:40 Lessons learned from cultural misunderstandings42:40 A powerful worship moment across cultures44:30 Raising children who love the church47:00 Family life and ministry together49:30 The importance of integrity at home and in ministry MENTIONS• Every Nation Ministries - https://www.everynation.org/• Every Nation Cincinnati Church - https://www.everynationcincinnati.org/• Ready to Lead by Brian Taylor and Chris Johnson - https://www.amazon.com/dp/1664286128 ASBURY SEMINARY LINKSPodcasts: https://asbury.to/podcastsWebsite: https://asburyseminary.edu/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminaryTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary. The material presented is for general information purposes only.
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  Teaching the Faith as an Act of Love | Dr. Tesia Mallory | It’s Elementary Podcast Ep. 41 25.08.2026 44min

  Why is it so important to teach the Christian faith to the next generation? And what happens when the Church stops doing it? In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. David Watson and Dr. Tesia Mallory explore the importance of passing on the faith through Scripture, doctrine, worship, discipleship, and theological education. Reflecting on recent experiences teaching Methodist doctrine, they discuss why traditions matter, why the Church must intentionally form believers, and why doctrine is not merely about drawing boundaries but about helping people know God and experience salvation. The conversation highlights the uniquely Wesleyan emphasis on doctrine, spirit, and discipline, and explores how practices such as worship, catechesis, liturgy, mentorship, and seminary education help preserve and transmit the faith across generations. KEY TOPICS COVERED0:00 Introduction1:00 Teaching Methodist doctrine in an international context4:00 Why doctrine still matters today7:00 Doctrine, spirit, and discipline in Wesleyanism10:00 Why institutions matter for preserving faith14:00 Scripture as a means of grace17:00 Teaching doctrine and Christian formation21:00 Liturgy and the formation of belief26:00 Apprenticeship and discipleship31:00 The role of seminary education37:00 Why theological education matters42:00 Passing the faith to future generations ASBURY SEMINARY LINKSPodcasts: https://asbury.to/podcastsWebsite: https://asburyseminary.edu/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminaryTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary. The material presented is for general information purposes only.
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  Christian Counseling & Mental Wellness | Dr. Janet Dean | It’s Elementary Podcast Ep. 40 18.08.2026 41min

  What happens when psychology, theology, and the transforming love of Christ come together? In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. David Watson and Dr. Jessica LaGrone welcome Dr. Janet Dean, Professor of Pastoral Counseling at Asbury Theological Seminary and ordained minister in the Church of the Nazarene, for a powerful conversation about grace, trauma, sanctification, identity, and healing. Dr. Dean shares her journey from growing up outside the church to encountering Christ as a teenager and eventually finding her calling at the intersection of psychology and theology. Along the way, she reflects on the profound influence of Asbury Seminary, a life-changing experience of sanctification, and the ways God's love reshapes perfectionism, shame, and our deepest questions about identity. Drawing from years of work in forensic psychology, psychiatric hospitals, prisons, and pastoral counseling, Dr. Dean offers a compassionate vision of human brokenness. She challenges simplistic answers to suffering and reminds us that transformation begins not by trying harder, but by experiencing the love of Christ and being truly known by others. KEY TOPICS COVERED 0:00 Introduction 1:00 Growing up outside the church3:00 Meeting Christ as a teenager5:00 Entering psychology and theological education7:00 A transformative experience of sanctification10:00 Following a call to counseling and ministry13:00 Working in forensic psychology and prisons18:00 Human brokenness and compassion21:00 Faith, mental health, and healing25:00 Sanctification and identity transformation28:00 Christianity, gender, sexuality, and grace32:00 The importance of relationship and discipleship35:00 Why people need to be known39:00 Lazarus and the role of community in healing ASBURY SEMINARY LINKS Podcasts: https://asbury.to/podcastsWebsite: https://asburyseminary.edu/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminaryTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary. The material presented is for general information purposes only.  
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  Spiritual Gifts and the Wesleyan Witness | It's Elementary Ep. 39 11.08.2026 31min

  What does the Bible actually teach about spiritual gifts? And how do we hold together the gifts of the Spirit and the fruit of the Spirit in the Christian life? In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. David Watson and Dr. Jessica LaGrone continue their exploration of spiritual gifts from a distinctly Wesleyan perspective. Drawing from Romans 12, 1 Corinthians 12–14, and John Wesley’s own writings, they discuss prophecy, healing, discernment, tongues, teaching, generosity, leadership, and more. The conversation explores how Wesley understood divine action, why he believed the gifts of the Spirit continued after the apostolic age, and how the famous Fetter Lane experience shaped early Methodism. Along the way, Dr. Watson and Dr. LaGrone discuss the role of humility in exercising spiritual gifts, the importance of discernment, and why the church must never separate power from character. Most importantly, they highlight Paul’s central point in 1 Corinthians: spiritual gifts matter, but love matters more. The gifts of the Spirit are given for the building up of the Church, while the fruit of the Spirit reflects Christ’s character formed in believers. KEY TOPICS COVERED 0:00 Introduction to spiritual gifts1:00 John Wesley and divine action2:00 The Fetter Lane Pentecost6:00 Wesley on spiritual gifts and the Holy Spirit8:00 Romans 12 and the analogy of faith12:00 Service as a spiritual gift14:00 Encouragement and exhortation15:00 Teaching as a spiritual gift19:00 Generosity and mercy23:00 Leadership and diligence25:00 Why Paul gives multiple gift lists27:00 1 Corinthians 12 and the common good32:00 Words of wisdom and knowledge34:00 The gift of faith35:00 Healing and miracles41:00 Obedience, humility, and spiritual gifts46:00 Discernment of spirits51:00 Tongues and interpretation52:00 Why love is the greatest gift57:00 Gifts versus fruit in Christian leadership MENTIONSBooks• The Next Christendom — Philip Jenkins• A World Full of Gods — Keith Hopkins• A Secular Age — Charles Taylor• Failure of Nerve — Edwin Friedman Biblical Passages• Romans 12:3–8• 1 Corinthians 12–14• Galatians 5:22–23• Philippians 2• Romans 15:30 ASBURY SEMINARY LINKS Podcasts: https://asbury.to/podcastsWebsite: https://asburyseminary.edu/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminaryTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary. The material presented is for general information purposes only.
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  Apostolic Spiritual Gifts and the Early Church | It's Elementary Ep. 38 04.08.2026 56min

  What are the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and how should Christians understand them today? In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. Jessica LaGrone and Dr. David Watson explore one of the most fascinating and frequently debated topics in the New Testament: the spiritual gifts. Drawing from Romans 12 and 1 Corinthians 12–14, they discuss how God equips believers for ministry and the building up of the Church.  The conversation examines gifts such as prophecy, teaching, healing, faith, wisdom, knowledge, leadership, discernment, generosity, service, encouragement, and tongues. Along the way, Dr. Watson explains why Paul repeatedly emphasizes humility, warning Christians not to use spiritual gifts as a source of status or self-importance.  They also explore questions many Christians wrestle with today: How do we test prophecy? Does God still heal people? What is the gift of tongues? What does discernment of spirits look like in today's world? And why does Paul place the famous "love chapter" of 1 Corinthians 13 right in the middle of his teaching on spiritual gifts?  From words of wisdom and knowledge to healing, miracles, and leadership, this conversation highlights the diversity of the Spirit's work while reminding listeners that every gift is given for the common good and the strengthening of Christ's body.  Ultimately, this episode reminds us that spiritual gifts are never given for personal glory. They are gifts of God's grace, designed to build up the Church, serve others, and point people toward Jesus Christ.  KEY TOPICS COVERED0:00 Introduction to spiritual gifts1:00 Romans 12 and the purpose of spiritual gifts5:00 Prophecy and the analogy of faith12:00 The spiritual gift of service14:00 Encouragement and exhortation15:00 Teaching as a spiritual gift19:00 Generosity and the gift of giving22:00 Mercy and compassion23:00 Leadership and diligence25:00 Why there are multiple lists of spiritual gifts27:00 1 Corinthians 12 and the common good32:00 Words of wisdom and words of knowledge34:00 The gift of faith35:00 Healing and miracles41:00 Humility, obedience, and spiritual gifts46:00 Discernment of spirits51:00 Tongues and interpretation52:00 Why love is the greatest gift55:00 Spiritual gifts and the building up of the Church MENTIONS• The Next Christendom — Philip Jenkins• A World Full of Gods — Keith Hopkins• A Secular Age — Charles Taylor• Failure of Nerve — Edwin Friedman ASBURY SEMINARY LINKSPodcasts: https://asbury.to/podcastsWebsite: https://asburyseminary.edu/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminaryTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary. The material presented is for general information purposes only.
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  Awakening Hope in the Next Generation | Dr. David Thomas | It’s Elementary Podcast Ep. 37 28.07.2026 45min

  What if the Church's greatest need is not better strategies, resources, or programs, but a fresh move of God? In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. David Watson and Dr. Jessica LaGrone welcome David Thomas, leader with Seedbed Publishing and New Room Conference, board member of Alpha International, and a leader in The Awakening Project, for a powerful conversation on revival, awakening, prayer, and the future of the Church. Drawing from years of studying awakening movements and the prayer patterns that preceded the Great Awakenings, Thomas explores the role of desperation, repentance, and travailing prayer in preparing the Church for renewal. He argues that awakening is not simply increased church attendance or renewed enthusiasm, but deep personal wholeness, the renewal of the Church, the evangelization of a generation, and the transformation of society. The conversation also offers a firsthand reflection on the 2023 Asbury Outpouring, its lasting impact, and the spiritual hunger emerging among Gen Z. Thomas shares why he believes young adults may be at the forefront of a new movement of God and why the Church must learn to listen, encourage, and journey alongside them. Whether you're longing for renewal in your own life, your church, or your community, this episode offers hope, encouragement, and a compelling vision for awakening in our time. KEY TOPICS COVERED 0:00 Introduction to David Thomas1:30 From finance to pastoral ministry2:00 Studying awakening history and revival3:00 The meaning of travailing prayer5:00 Marks of genuine awakening8:00 Why we need more than human effort9:00 What is travailing prayer?15:00 The Asbury Outpouring of 202318:00 Spiritual hunger and the next generation19:00 How the outpouring reshaped leadership21:00 Signs of lasting fruit from the outpouring24:00 Prayer, presence, and consecration27:00 What makes Gen Z different?36:00 The Awakening Project41:00 Advice for leaders longing for renewal43:00 Prayer, repentance, and the path to awakening MENTIONS The Awakening Project — https://www.awakeningproj.com/ Seedbed Publishing — https://seedbed.com/ New Room Conference — https://newroomconference.com/ Alpha International — https://alphainternational.org/ Asbury University — https://asbury.edu/ ASBURY SEMINARY LINKS Podcasts: https://asbury.to/podcastsWebsite: https://asburyseminary.edu/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminaryTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary. The material presented is for general information purposes only.
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  Christian Mission in the Muslim World | Dr. Wes Watkins | It's Elementary Podcast Ep. 36 21.07.2026 46min

  What does it mean to share the gospel in a Muslim context? And what can the global Church learn from Christians living and serving in the Middle East? In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. David Watson sits down with Dr. Wes Watkins, missiologist with One Collective, faculty member at Arab Baptist Theological Seminary in Beirut, and longtime practitioner of ministry in the Middle East, for a thoughtful conversation on mission, discipleship, Islam, and the future of the Church. After spending sixteen years in the Middle East, Dr. Watkins reflects on his experiences among Arab communities, his research on conversion among Muslims, and why relationships and Scripture remain at the heart of Christian witness. He challenges common Western assumptions about Islam and offers a framework for understanding mission that is rooted in friendship, humility, and a Christ-centered focus. The conversation explores frontier missiology, the growth of Muslim background believers, refugee ministry, theological education in majority Muslim contexts, and what it means to point people toward Jesus without imposing Western cultural expectations. Along the way, Dr. Watkins offers a hopeful vision for the future of Christianity in the Middle East and North Africa. KEY TOPICS COVERED0:00 Introduction to Wes Watkins1:00 Moving to the Middle East and learning Arabic3:00 Mission, discipleship, and personal transformation4:00 Research on conversion among Muslims7:00 Common misconceptions about Muslims10:00 Understanding Islam's diversity13:00 What is frontier missiology?16:00 Church, discipleship, and movement-building20:00 Following Jesus in a Muslim context22:00 Individualism vs collectivism24:00 Developing a Christian theology of Islam30:00 Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God?33:00 Working with refugees and displaced people36:00 Theological education in the Middle East40:00 Muslim background believers and the future of the Church43:00 Advice for cross-cultural ministry MENTIONS• One Collective - https://onecollective.org• Arab Baptist Theological Seminary - https://abtslebanon.org/• Dr. Watkins' Academia Page (Under Pseudonym) https://independent.academia.edu/WarrickFarah MORE RESOURCES BY DR. WATKINS• Margins of Islam: Ministry in Diverse Muslim Contexts -https://amzn.to/4wAZECI• Movemental Ecclesiology, Podcast with Asbury's Center for Church Multiplication - vimeo.com/1183507774 • Dr. Watkins' Substack - https://substack.com/@warrickfarah ASBURY SEMINARY LINKSPodcasts: https://asbury.to/podcastsWebsite: https://asburyseminary.edu/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminaryTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary. The material presented is for general information purposes only.
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  Moscow Physicist to Patristic Scholar | Dr. Paul Gavrilyuk | It's Elementary Podcast Ep. 35 14.07.2026 52min

  What happens when a future physicist in the Soviet Union secretly reads the Bible and discovers a calling to theology instead? In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. David Watson and Dr. Jessica LaGrone welcome Dr. Paul Gavrilyuk, Aquinas Chair in Theology and Philosophy at the University of St. Thomas, noted Orthodox theologian, scholar of the early Church, and founder of Rebuild Ukraine, for a wide-ranging conversation about faith, theology, war, and Christian hope.  Growing up in Soviet Ukraine, Gavrilyuk had little religious instruction until his mother obtained a Russian translation of the Bible. What began as curiosity eventually became a life-changing encounter with Christianity, leading him from studies in physics at the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology to theological studies and a distinguished academic career.  The conversation explores the spiritual senses, the role of theology in Christian formation, the legacy of Billy Abraham, and the significance of the Nicene Creed for the Church today. Dr. Gavrilyuk also reflects on Russia’s war against Ukraine, the theological challenges it raises, and the work of Rebuild Ukraine in supporting children, refugees, and communities affected by the conflict.  Whether you're interested in Orthodox theology, church history, Christian unity, or the question of how faith endures amid suffering, this episode offers wisdom, insight, and hope. KEY TOPICS COVERED0:00 Introduction to Paul Gavrilyuk1:00 Growing up in Soviet Ukraine4:00 From physics to theology8:00 Studying at Perkins School of Theology11:00 The influence of Billy Abraham16:00 What are the spiritual senses?21:00 Cultivating awareness of God's presence25:00 Rebuild Ukraine and humanitarian work31:00 Theology in the midst of war33:00 The Russian Orthodox Church and the war in Ukraine40:00 The International Orthodox Theological Association (IOTA)42:00 Why the Nicene Creed still matters48:00 Orthodoxy, modernity, and the future of the Church MENTIONS• War and Peace — Leo Tolstoy• Canon and Criterion — Billy Abraham• The Epistle to the Romans Commentary — Karl Barth• International Orthodox Theological Association (IOTA) - https://iota-web.org/• Rebuild Ukraine - https://rebuild-ua.org/ ASBURY SEMINARY LINKSPodcasts: https://asbury.to/podcastsWebsite: https://asburyseminary.edu/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminaryTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary. The material presented is for general information purposes only.
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  Pentecostals Are Wesleyan | Dr. Dale Coulter | It's Elementary Podcast Ep. 34 07.07.2026 1h 1min

  Are Pentecostals actually Wesleyans? And what does the global Pentecostal movement have to do with John Wesley, holiness, and the work of the Holy Spirit? In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. David Watson and Dr. Jessica LaGrone welcome Dr. Dale Coulter, Professor of Historical Theology at Pentecostal Theological Seminary and ordained minister in the Church of God (Cleveland, Tennessee), for a fascinating conversation on the origins of Pentecostalism, the Wesleyan tradition, and the future of Spirit-filled Christianity. Drawing from his work as a theologian, historian, and leading interpreter of Pentecostal theology, Dr. Coulter argues that Pentecostalism emerged from the global Wesleyan movement and cannot be understood apart from its Methodist and Holiness roots. Dr. Coulter shares his personal story, from growing up in a Pentecostal church to studying theology at Oxford University, and explains how the Christian tradition, especially medieval spirituality, helped him better understand Pentecostal faith and practice. The conversation also explores some of today's most important theological questions, including apostles and prophets, spiritual gifts, political theology, and how Christians can recover a richer vision of holiness that leads to wholeness, healing, and transformation. KEY TOPICS COVERED 0:00 Introduction 2:00 Growing up Pentecostal and a personal calling to theology6:00 Why medieval theology shaped his faith12:00 Pentecostal spirituality and Christian mysticism15:00 Why “Pentecostals Are Wesleyans”18:00 Spirit baptism and the influence of John Fletcher20:00 Azusa Street and the global Pentecostal movement23:00 Pentecostal, charismatic, and neo-charismatic Christianity26:00 Apostles, prophets, and church leadership35:00 The Protestant Mind and the future of Protestantism39:00 Evangelicalism, politics, and R.J. Rushdoony47:00 Wesleyan political theology and natural law55:00 Holiness, sanctification, and the Christian life1:00:00 Why holiness is about becoming whole MENTIONS Newsletter The Protestant Mind — Dale Coulter (https://protestantmind.com/authors/dale-coulter) Books The Desire of the Nations — Oliver O'Donovan Resurrection and Moral Order — Oliver O'Donovan Nine Modern Moralists — Paul Ramsey The Four Books of Sentences — Peter Lombard Institutes of Biblical Law — R.J. Rushdoony By What Standard? — R.J. Rushdoony Steppenwolf — Hermann Hesse   ASBURY SEMINARY LINKS Podcasts: https://asbury.to/podcastsWebsite: https://asburyseminary.edu/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminaryTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary. The material presented is for general information purposes only.  
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  Women, Ministry and the Bible | Dr. Suzanne Nicholson | It’s Elementary Podcast Ep. 33 30.06.2026 37min

  What does the Bible really say about women in leadership, and why is this conversation still shaping the Church today? In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. David Watson and Dr. Jessica LaGrone welcome Dr. Suzanne Nicholson (Asbury University professor, ordained minister, and member of the Firebrand Magazine editorial board) for a thoughtful and deeply biblical conversation on women in ministry and leadership. Drawing from her widely discussed Firebrand article, “10 Scriptural Truths About Women in Leadership,” Dr. Nicholson explores key biblical passages that have shaped the debate for generations and offers a framework for reading them in their historical, literary, and theological contexts. Dr. Nicholson argues that understanding Scripture requires careful attention to context, culture, and the broader biblical story. Rather than focusing only on disputed passages, she points listeners to the many places where God raises up women to teach, lead, prophesy, and serve His people. The conversation also explores how churches can cultivate healthier patterns of leadership modeled after Christ's humility, encouraging believers to pursue collaboration, service, and the fruit of the Spirit rather than power and status. KEY TOPICS COVERED 0:00 Introduction to Dr. Suzanne Nicholson1:00 Why she wrote “10 Scriptural Truths About Women in Leadership”3:00 Women and leadership in Genesis 1–25:00 The Fall and broken power structures8:00 Philippians 2 and Christ-like leadership11:00 Understanding 1 Timothy 2 in context17:00 Phoebe and women in the early church18:00 Interpreting 1 Corinthians 11 and 1422:00 Women as witnesses to the resurrection24:00 Current trends in the church28:00 Leadership, collaboration, and service31:00 Disagreeing graciously within the Church35:00 Hope for the next generation MENTIONS “10 Scriptural Truths About Women in Leadership” — Suzanne Nicholson (Firebrand Magazine) - https://firebrandmag.com/articles/10-scriptural-truths-about-women-in-leadership-firebrand-big-read ASBURY SEMINARY LINKS Podcasts: https://asbury.to/podcastsWebsite: https://asburyseminary.edu/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminaryTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary. The material presented is for general information purposes only.  
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  What Makes a Good Sermon? | Dr. Jessica LaGrone | It's Elementary Podcast IE 32 23.06.2026 48min

  In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. David Watson sits down with Dr. Jessica LaGrone, a beloved and widely respected preacher, teacher, and leader at Asbury Theological Seminary, for an in-depth conversation on the art, theology, and practice of preaching. Drawing from years of experience in the pulpit and the classroom, Dr. LaGrone offers insight into what makes preaching not just effective but transformative, helping listeners move from simply hearing Scripture to encountering Christ through it.  Dr. Watson and Dr. LaGrone also discuss the hidden work of preaching, the long, often unseen process of prayer, study, editing, and discernment that shapes every message before it is ever spoken.  They reflect on the challenge of communicating deep theological truth in ways that are accessible, faithful, and transformative—so that listeners don’t just understand the text, but are invited into God’s story.   KEY TOPICS COVERED0:00 Why preaching matters2:00 What makes a sermon “good”4:00 Scripture and the central idea7:00 Connecting with the audience10:00 Preaching with empathy and context15:00 Growing as a preacher17:00 Every sermon points to the gospel23:00 Jessica LaGrone’s sermon preparation process27:00 Finding clarity and cutting content30:00 Content vs. delivery (“the container”)33:00 Avoiding overly abstract preaching36:00 Testimony and authenticity in preaching38:00 Authority vs. humility44:00 What makes preaching Wesleyan47:00 The Holy Spirit and the power of a sermon MENTIONSPreaching — Tim KellerPreaching from the Soul — Ellsworth KalasThe Witness of Preaching — Thomas G. LongNovel Preaching — Alyce McKenziePreaching with Empathy — Len Luchetti ASBURY SEMINARY LINKSPodcasts: https://asbury.to/podcastsWebsite: https://asburyseminary.edu/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminaryTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary.
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  Leadership for a New Generation | Dr. David Gyertson | It's Elementary Podcast Ep. 31 16.06.2026 54min

  What sustains leaders through the hardest seasons—and why do so many fail to finish well? In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. David Watson and Dr. Jessica LaGrone are joined by Dr. David Gyertson (Affiliate Professor of Leadership Formation and Renewal and Distinguished Leader in Residence at Asbury Theological Seminary) for a deeply personal and practical conversation on calling, leadership, and character formation. From a powerful story of coming to faith to decades of leadership in Christian higher education and broadcasting, Dr. Gyertson shares wisdom shaped through real-life challenges, mentoring, and ministry.  Dr. Gyertson emphasizes that leadership failure is rarely about ability—it is most often about character and motivation. He challenges leaders to continually ask, “Why am I doing this?” and to cultivate a deep sensitivity to the Holy Spirit.  Drawing from Scripture, he offers a compelling vision of leadership shaped through humility, refinement, and perseverance in difficult seasons. ⏱️ KEY TOPICS COVERED0:00 Introduction to Dr. David Gyertson1:30 Early life and coming to faith6:00 Calling and theological formation8:00 Christian broadcasting and leadership journey12:00 Why Christian higher education matters15:00 Challenges facing Christian institutions today18:00 Leadership pressure and cultural fragmentation22:00 Leading through difficulty and “Gethsemane” moments25:00 Character vs. Competency in leadership29:00 Advice for leaders in hard seasons34:00 Spiritual formation: heart + mind39:00 Why leaders fail—and how to endure51:00 Final encouragement for leaders 🔗 ASBURY SEMINARY LINKSPodcasts: https://asbury.to/podcastsWebsite: https://asburyseminary.edu/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminaryTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary.
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  Faith and Fire with Watson & Watson | Dr. Kevin Watson | It's Elementary Ep. 30 09.06.2026 51min

  What does it mean to be truly Methodist—and why does it matter today? In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. David Watson and Dr. Jessica LaGrone sit down with Dr. Kevin Watson (Associate Professor at Asbury Theological Seminary and Senior Director of Christian Formation at Asbury Church, Tulsa) for a thoughtful and engaging conversation on Methodism, revival, and the future of the Church. This episode centers on their new book, Faith and Fire, which explores how the Wesleyan tradition can recover its identity and power amid change and uncertainty in Methodism. Drs. Watson unpack how early Methodism combined doctrine, spiritual power, and disciplined community, forming a movement marked by real transformation in the lives of ordinary people.  They also discuss why recovering historic practices like class meetings is essential for renewal—and how revival is not just something in the past, but something God is still doing today.  ⏱️ KEY TOPICS COVERED0:00 Introduction to Dr. Kevin Watson2:00 The story behind Faith and Fire5:00 Methodism and identity crisis8:00 What defines Methodist theology12:00 Entire sanctification and holy living14:00 Class meetings vs. band meetings18:00 Recovering Methodist practices20:00 “Audacious optimism” and grace26:00 Misquotes of John Wesley30:00 Practicing the faith (ordinances of God)33:00 Seminary and local church leadership39:00 Doctrine, Spirit, and Discipline48:00 Revival through transformed lives 📚 MENTIONSFaith and Fire — David Watson & Kevin Watson (https://www.amazon.com/Faith-Fire-Methodism-Move-God-ebook/dp/B0GL8Q3NC7)Doctrine, Spirit, and Discipline — Kevin Watson“Thoughts Upon Methodism” — John Wesley 🔗 ASBURY SEMINARY LINKSPodcasts: https://asbury.to/podcastsWebsite: https://asburyseminary.edu/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminaryTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary.
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  Stewarding the Flames of Revival | Robin Lim | It's Elementary Podcast Ep. 29 02.06.2026 52min

  How can faith move beyond the church into the marketplace, and what happens when revival touches everyday life? In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. Jessica LaGrone sits down with Robin Lim (an Asbury Theological Seminary alumnus and professor at Asbury University) to explore calling, revival, and what it means to live an integrated life of faith. This conversation dives deep into:-Moving from a divided life to whole-life discipleship-Faith in the marketplace and business as ministry-The journey from global banking to seminary formation-The Asbury Outpouring of 2023 and firsthand reflections-Revival as both a moment and a lifelong calling Robin shares how his life shifted from a “Batman-like” split between career and faith into a fully integrated calling shaped through community, prayer, and theological formation. Reflecting on the Asbury Outpouring, he highlights how ordinary faithfulness and years of prayer led to a global movement marked by humility, unity, and hunger for God.  This episode also explores the difference between revival as an event and revival as a lifestyle, calling believers to embrace a “widened life”—where faith shapes every sphere, from family to work to society.If you're interested in calling, revival, spiritual formation, or faith in the marketplace, this episode offers powerful, practical insights. KEY TOPICS COVERED0:00 From banking to calling3:00 The “Batman” problem—divided life vs whole-life faith8:00 Coming to Asbury and spiritual formation13:00 Prayer, community, and revival hunger20:00 The Asbury Outpouring begins27:00 From local move to global impact34:00 Revival: moment vs lifelong formation37:00 Faith in the marketplace42:00 Discipleship beyond the church47:00 Global impact of Asbury MENTIONSAsbury Outpouring (2023)https://asbury.edu/outpouring/Asbury Revival (1970)https://asbury.edu/about/outpouring/1970-revival/ ASBURY SEMINARY LINKS🎧 Podcasts: https://asbury.to/podcasts🌐 Website: https://asburyseminary.edu/📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminary🎵 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary. The material presented is for general information purposes only.
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  Worship, Community and the Triune God | Rev. Dr. Alan Torrance | It's Elementary Podcast Ep. 28 26.05.2026 56min

  What is Christian theology really about—and how do we actually know God?In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. David Watson sits down with Rev. Dr. Alan Torrance (Professor Emeritus, University of St. Andrews) to explore some of the most important questions in Christian theology, faith, and knowledge of God. This conversation dives deep into:-The Trinity and Christian life-How we come to believe that Jesus is Lord-The difference between belief in God vs. saving faith-Why theology must shape real life, politics, and suffering-The role of forgiveness and reconciliation in society Dr. Torrance explains why Christian faith is not just about arguments—but about a transformative encounter with the living God through the Holy Spirit. This episode also explores analytic theology, properly basic belief (Alvin Plantinga), and the relationship between truth, justice, and forgiveness.If you're interested in systematic theology, apologetics, philosophy of religion, or spiritual formation, this episode offers rich, practical insights. KEY TOPICS COVERED0:00 Introduction to Alan Torrance2:00 Theology and real-world impact6:00 Political theology and the lordship of Christ10:00 The Trinity and communion with God16:00 How we know Jesus is Lord (faith vs reason)21:00 Analytic theology explained35:00 Forgiveness, justice, and reconciliation40:00 Truth & Reconciliation Commission (South Africa)53:00 Advice for young theologians MENTIONSPersons in Communion — Alan TorranceCountry of My Skull — Antjie KrogAdvice for Christian Philosophers — Alvin Plantinga ASBURY SEMINARY LINKSPodcasts: https://asbury.to/podcastsWebsite: https://asburyseminary.edu/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminaryTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary. The material presented is for general information purposes only.
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  Investigating Truth for the Church | Daniel Silliman | It's Elementary Podcast Ep. 27 19.05.2026 55min

  Dr. David Watson and Dr. Jessica LaGrone are joined by Daniel Silliman, senior reporter and editor for The Roys Report and former senior news editor at Christianity Today, for a wide-ranging and thoughtful conversation on journalism, truth-telling, and the life of the Church. Silliman shares his fascinating background from growing up in the Jesus People movement to becoming a crime reporter and eventually a leading voice covering religion and evangelical life. Drawing from his academic work in American religious history and years of reporting, he reflects on what it means to serve both faith and neighbor through careful, honest storytelling. The conversation explores the unique challenges of being a Christian journalist in a polarized and often suspicious media environment, where even faithful reporting can be misread as hostility.  The episode also delves into his work investigating abuse and misconduct within Christian organizations, and addresses why accountability, transparency, and truth are essential to the integrity of the Church. With pastoral sensitivity and theological conviction, Silliman frames investigative reporting not as opposition to the Church, but as a necessary act of love and faithfulness. MENTIONS• One Lost Soul: Richard Nixon’s Search for Salvation by Daniel Silliman• Reading Evangelicals: How Christian Fiction Shaped a Culture and a Faith by Daniel Silliman• The Roys Report - https://julieroys.com/• Christianity Today - https://www.christianitytoday.com/ ASBURY SEMINARY LINKSPodcasts: https://asbury.to/podcastsWebsite: https://asburyseminary.edu/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminaryTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary. The material presented is for general information purposes only. #ItsElementaryPodcast #ChristianJournalism #ChurchLeadership #Evangelicalism #FaithAndCulture #AsburySeminary
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  The Way of the Kingdom | Dr. Kim Maas | It's Elementary Podcast Ep. 26 12.05.2026 40min

  In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. David Watson and Dr. Jessica LaGrone welcome Dr. Kim Maas, preacher, prophetic leader, and founder of Kim Maas Ministries, for a rich and candid conversation on the Holy Spirit, theological formation, and discernment in today’s charismatic and Pentecostal movements. Dr. Maas shares her powerful testimony from a dramatic encounter with God that transformed her marriage and faith, to her calling into preaching and global ministry. She reflects on her journey through different churches and charismatic contexts and explains how theological education deepened rather than diminished her passion for the work of the Holy Spirit. The conversation addresses urgent concerns within contemporary charismatic Christianity, including prophetic accountability, celebrity culture, private revelation, and doctrinal confusion. MENTIONS Kim Maas Ministries - https://www.kimmaas.com/ Global Awakening - https://globalawakening.com/ ASBURY SEMINARY LINKS Podcasts: https://asbury.to/podcasts Website: https://asburyseminary.edu/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminary TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary. The material presented is for general information purposes only.   #ItsElementaryPodcast #AsburySeminary #WesleyanTheology #Christian
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  Burning With The Holy Fire | Rev. Matt Reynolds | It's Elementary Podcast Ep. 25 05.05.2026 50min

  In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. David Watson and Dr. Jessica LaGrone are joined by Rev. Matt Reynolds, President of Spirit and Truth Ministries and alumnus of Asbury Theological Seminary, for a candid and compelling conversation about renewal, evangelism, and the cost of real obedience to Jesus. Rev. Reynolds shares his personal journey from local church pastor to renewal leader, reflecting on the moment he realized he was preaching the gospel weekly while rarely talking about Jesus outside church walls. What follows is a testimony of spiritual awakening sparked through prayer, repentance, and deep conviction that eventually led him to step away from a “dream job” in ministry and into a missionary posture within the American church. The conversation explores themes of spiritual hunger, presence-based leadership, prayerful dependence on the Holy Spirit, and the dangers of consumer-driven Christianity. Rev. Reynolds also describes the heart and mission behind Spirit and Truth Weekends, where churches are invited to slow down, seek God together, and practice everyday obedience through prayer, testimony, and simple acts of evangelism. MENTIONSSpirit and Truth Ministrieshttps://www.spiritandtruth.life/ Firebrand Magazinehttps://firebrandmag.com/ ASBURY SEMINARY LINKSPodcasts: https://asbury.to/podcastsWebsite: https://asburyseminary.edu/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AsburySeminary/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asburyseminaryTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@asburyseminary Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the official position of Asbury Theological Seminary. The material presented is for general information purposes only. #ItsElementaryPodcast #AsburySeminary #WesleyanTheology #Christian