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148. Alanna Markle & Thom Townsend on measuring the impact of Beneficial Ownership Transparency 30.04.2026 35мин

In this episode of Kickback, host Tom Shipley sits down with Thom Townsend, the executive director of Open Ownership, and Alanna Markle, the senior manager for policy and research at Open Ownership, to map out the global research agenda for Beneficial Ownership Transparency (BOT). Highlighting cutting-edge research from a recent symposium of 150 global experts, the conversation explores how BOT is being used across diverse sectors, from tracking media capture to mapping real estate. Thom and Alanna discuss the methodological struggles of measuring the real-world impact of hidden illicit finances, and issue an urgent call for academic researchers to help find the anti-corruption movement's ultimate "holy grail": definitively proving the economic value of investing in transparency. Links to discussed publications: Research Symposium Synthesis Report: Evidence and impact of beneficial ownership transparency: https://www.openownership.org/en/publications/httpswwwopenownershiporgenpublicationsresearch-symposium-synthesis-report/ From reform to results: Introducing BEAM, a new programme to measure impact in beneficial ownership transparency: https://www.openownership.org/en/blog/from-reform-to-results-introducing-beam-a-new-programme-to-measure-impact-in-beneficial-ownership-transparency/

147. Marina Nistotskaya on merit-based bureaucracies 27.03.2026 36мин

In this episode of Kickback, host Elizabeth David-Barrett is joined by Marina Nistotskaya, Professor at the Department of Political Science and researcher at the Quality of Government Institute, University of Gothenburg. The conversation explores the role of merit-based recruitment in shaping effective and impartial bureaucracies. Marina discusses how hiring processes influence both competence and independence, and why this distinction is critical for resisting political interference and corruption. The discussion also considers the appropriate balance between political appointments and bureaucratic autonomy, highlighting current debates and trends across different countries. Finally, the episode looks at newer areas of research, including how ambiguity in laws and the outsourcing of state functions can affect decision-making and public service outcomes. Links to Marina's research: Futures for the Public Sector. Leuven University Press, 2025. Project MUSE https://muse.jhu.edu/pub/258/oa_edited_volume/chapter/4135540/pdf Legal Clarity and Impartiality: A Global Experimental Study of Consistency in Bureaucratic Decision Making, Joakim Nilsson and Marina Nistotskaya, 2025: https://gupea.ub.gu.se/items/fcf9aa18-e71f-4831-abbe-a89e3576bd1a To the Short-Sighted Victor Belong the Spoils: Politics and Merit Adoption in Comparative Perspective, Victor Lapuente and Marina Nistotskaya, 2009: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1468-0491.2009.01446.x On mechanisms of meritocratic recruitment: competence and impartiality, Palina Kolvani and Marina Nistotskaya, 2025: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-institutional-economics/article/on-mechanisms-of-meritocratic-recruitment-competence-and-impartiality/B1DA105768AA5083DFF61F79E640AB39 Outsourcing, bureaucratic personnel quality and citizen satisfaction with public services, Carl Dahlström, Marina Nistotskaya, and Maria Tyrberg, 2018: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/padm.12387

146. Diana Bociga on the network architecture of anti-money laundering 12.03.2026 31мин

The UK's anti-money laundering system involves 88 organizations across policy, supervision, and enforcement, but does this complex network actually work? In this episode, host Robert Barrington speaks with Diana Bociga about her research using social network analysis to map how these organizations collaborate. Diana's findings reveal a system operating across two disconnected dimensions, strategic policy-making and tactical intelligence-sharing, where engagement in one often doesn't translate to the other. While public sector bodies serve as crucial brokers connecting different parts of the network, some brokerage roles are duplicated while others are missing entirely. The conversation explores whether the solution to improving effectiveness lies in adding more connections or fundamentally rethinking how the network is organized. Diana Bociga, Elisa Bellotti, Nicholas Lord, The Network Architecture of Anti-money Laundering: Strategic and Tactical (Dis)Connections in the UK’s Policy, Supervision, and Enforcement Landscape, The British Journal of Criminology, 2025. https://academic.oup.com/bjc/advance-article/doi/10.1093/bjc/azaf101/8368980

145. Maria Nizzero on the kleptocratic enterprise 26.02.2026 29мин

Despite significant volumes of illicit finance flowing through the UK, asset recovery from kleptocratic networks remains limited. In this episode, regular KB host Robert Barrington speaks with Maria Nizzero, the Head of Sanctions Policy at UK Finance and Honorary Research Fellow at Exeter University, about her recent research that proposes reconceptualizing kleptocracy as a transnational criminal enterprise. Through comparative analysis of anti-racketeering legislation across multiple jurisdictions, the research identifies five distinctive features that enable more effective prosecution and asset recovery. These include targeting organizational structures rather than individuals, establishing liability through patterns of conduct, employing flexible evidentiary standards, and justifying intervention based on societal harm. The conversation examines how these frameworks address persistent challenges in kleptocracy cases, particularly the problem of tracing assets to historical predicate offenses in uncooperative jurisdictions, and explores the implications of situating illicit finance within national security frameworks rather than traditional corruption paradigms. Links to related papers: Nizzero, M., Heathershaw, J., and Mayne, T. 2026. The Kleptocratic Enterprise: Lessons from organised crime to target transnational corruption and strengthen asset recovery in the UK. GI ACE Working Paper. Brighton: University of Sussex. https://giace.org/resources/the-kleptocratic-enterprise/ Heathershaw, J., Prelec, T. and Mayne, T., 2021. Indulging kleptocracy: British service providers, postcommunist elites, and the enabling of corruption. Oxford University Press. https://academic.oup.com/book/58173 Nizzero, M. (2023). How to Seize a Billion: Exploring Mechanisms to Recover the Proceeds of Kleptocracy. SOC ACE Research Paper No. 16. Birmingham, UK: University of Birmingham.https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/external-publications/how-seize-billion-exploring-mechanisms-recover-proceeds-kleptocracy

144. Peter Hain on liberation and corruption 09.02.2026 34мин

Why do liberation movements that fight for freedom so often succumb to corruption once in power? In this episode, Liz David-Barrett speaks with Lord Peter Hain about his new book Liberation and Corruption: Why Freedom Movements Fail. Drawing on his personal connection to South Africa's anti-apartheid struggle and examining cases from Nicaragua to India, Peter explores how movements that come to power with inspiring values end up replicating the corruption of their predecessors. The conversation examines the role of global finance, professional enablers, and neoliberal pressures in facilitating grand corruption, while also highlighting South Africa's remarkable ability to confront state capture through mechanisms like the Zondo Commission. Peter also reflects on what individuals can do to resist systemic corruption and the personal costs of standing up against it. Peter Hain- Liberation and Corruption: Why Freedom Movements Fail https://www.peterhain.uk/p/liberation-and-corruption-why-freedom

143. Rachel Davies and Tom Shipley on the UK's new anticorruption strategy 22.01.2026 34мин

After a three-year gap, the UK finally has a new anti-corruption strategy. To discuss, Robert Barrington is joined by Rachel Davies from Transparency International UK and Tom Shipley from the Centre for the Study of Corruption. They assess what the December 2025 strategy gets right, where it falls short, and whether it will actually make a difference. The discussion examines the strategy's strengths, including new commitments on professional enablers and domestic corruption, alongside notable weaknesses in areas like political integrity and defence procurement. With major tests ahead, the conversation explores whether the UK can credibly claim global leadership on anti-corruption while addressing serious domestic vulnerabilities. The mentioned papers are linked below: UK Anti-Corruption Strategy: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-anti-corruption-strategy-2025 Tom Shipley's research paper on international approaches to monitoring anti-corruption programmes: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/international-approaches-to-recording-and-monitoring-corruption Rachel Davies's blog evaluating the Strategy: https://www.transparency.org.uk/news/strategy-action-what-uks-new-anti-corruption-plan-gets-right-and-where-it-falls-short

142. Anna Persson on systemic corruption and political will 08.01.2026 39мин

For our first episode of 2026, regular host Liz David-Barrett is joined by Anna Persson, associate professor and senior lecturer at the Department of Political Science, University of Gothenburg. Anna draws on extensive field research to challenge simplistic understandings of political will, and explore systemic corruption as a complex collective action problem. Anna examines how moral hazard and adverse selection shape leadership behaviour, and how corruption becomes "expected behaviour" in societies where the high individual costs of resisting systemic corruption make transparency measures insufficient. The episode also challenges the "coherent state" model, examining how competing authorities and variations in state effectiveness within countries impact anticorruption efforts. Links to Anna's research: Why Anticorruption Reforms Fail—Systemic Corruption as a Collective Action Problem https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1468-0491.2012.01604.x?saml_referrer The Power of Ideational Reach: A New Approach to State Capacity https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/gove.70020 Responsive and Responsible Leaders: A Matter of Political Will? https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/abs/responsive-and-responsible-leaders-a-matter-of-political-will/DD7C9258D3E95E8B79CB70FA10126275

141. Naomi Roht-Arriaza on grand corruption & human rights 11.12.2025 43мин

Liz David-Barrett speaks with human rights and international law expert Naomi Roht-Arriaza, about the intersection of grand corruption and human rights. Naomi shares how her decades of work on transitional justice led her to confront the blocking of post-conflict progress by state capture, often involving alliances between organized crime, political elites, and economic interests. The discussion examines how corruption violates a broad range of human rights, why giving victims legal standing in corruption cases matters, and what reparations beyond financial compensation might look like. Naomi also addresses the inadequacy of current international legal frameworks that assume states will combat their own corruption, and calls for breaking down silos between human rights, anti-corruption, and environmental advocates to tackle these interconnected challenges. Links to Naomi’s research: Fighting Grand Corruption: Transnational and Human Rights Approaches in Latin America and Beyond - https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/fighting-grand-corruption/4B738654046BEA6F0F2FF336BEA12112 The right to be free of corruption: A new frontier in anti-corruption approaches through national courts - https://cdn.sanity.io/files/1f1lcoov/production/863973678d954b32539d37b070dbf556776b8e67.pdf

140. Emily Elia on gender and electoral accountability in Latin America 14.11.2025 38мин

Why do voters sometimes support corrupt politicians? And can putting forward women candidates help parties recover from corruption scandals? In this episode, regular host Liz David-Barrett speaks with Emily Elia about her experimental research on voter behaviour and corruption in Latin American democracies. The conversation delves into the "feminization strategy", examining the level to which deploying women candidates after corruption scandals actually works to restore party credibility. The conversation also explores emerging questions about who becomes an anti-corruption fighter in politics and whether voters can tell genuine reformers from those just paying lip service to clean government. Read more about Emily's research into gender stereotypes and electoral accountability here: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11109-024-09943-9 And on the role of ideological proximity to the opposition in "corruption voting" here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0261379422001019?via%3Dihub

139. Áron Hajnal & József Péter Martin on systemic corruption in Hungary 17.10.2025 44мин

Hungary, once seen as a democratic success story is now widely recognized as one of the EU's most corrupt member states. Regular KB host Liz David-Barrett sits down with József Péter Martin and Áron Hajnal to examine how Viktor Orbán built a system of state capture, and why the EU struggled to respond. They discuss their research evaluating the effectiveness of EU conditionality measures, the challenges of tackling corruption when it's built into the regime itself, and what might happen in Hungary's crucial April 2026 elections. Find Áron and József’s article here: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10999922.2025.2554409?scroll=top&needAccess=true#d1e186

138. Devi Pillay on the role of consulting firms in state capture 02.10.2025 41мин

How do multinational consulting firms enable state capture? In this episode, regular KB host Liz David-Barrett chats with Devi Pillay about her research on the role of McKinsey & Co.'s involvement in the capture of South Africa under President Zuma. Drawing on evidence from the Zondo Commission, Devi describes how consulting firms worked with politically connected local partners to extract billions in fees from state-owned enterprises, while providing misleading advice that facilitated further corruption. Liz and Devi also discuss the vital role of investigative journalists and whistleblowers in exposing these arrangements, the devastating impact on South Africa's infrastructure and economy, and the mixed accountability outcomes for the firms involved. Find Devi Pillay’s working paper for GI ACE here: https://giace.org/resources/consulting-firms-corruption-and-state-capture/ Find similar themes on South Africa's state capture in episode 129. This research is part of the Governance & Integrity Anti-Corruption Evidence (GI ACE) programme which generates actionable evidence that policymakers, practitioners and advocates can use to design and implement more effective anti-corruption initiatives. This GI ACE project is funded by UK International Development. The views expressed in this report do not necessarily reflect the UK Government’s official policies.

137. Nicola Bonucci on the OECD Anti-Bribery Convention 18.09.2025 38мин

Join regular KB host Liz David-Barrett in conversation with Nicola Bonucci, a veteran public international lawyer who has been involved in the OECD Anti-Bribery Convention since its creation. This episode traces the convention's journey from its 1993 origins to current challenges, exploring how peer review mechanisms have transformed international business practices and examining the implications of recent changes in US enforcement policy. Essential listening for anyone interested in international law, corporate compliance, and the ongoing fight against global corruption.

136. Mo Ibrahim on Good Governance in Africa 17.07.2025 43мин

This Kickback episode features Mo Ibrahim, who joins Liz David-Barrett to share his transition from entrepreneurship to philanthropy, by establishing the Mo Ibrahim Foundation to promote good governance and leadership in Africa. Mo shares the primary mechanisms to achieving the Foundations goals, including the Ibrahim Index of African Governance, and the Africa leadership prize, which aims to highlight positive role models and support them post-office, asserting the importance of African-led initiatives and self-reliance in the face of declining foreign aid and internal conflicts. Learn more about the Ibrahim Index of African Governance (IIAG) here: https://mo.ibrahim.foundation/our-research/iiag

135. Nicole Rose & AJ Brown on Corruption in Australia 03.07.2025 43мин

For this episode, regular host Robert Barrington is joined by two anticorruption experts from Australia. Nicole Rose is the Deputy Commissioner at The National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC), and AJ Brown is a Professor of Public Policy and Law at Griffith University and the Chair of Transparency International’s (TI) Australian chapter. Some of the main themes discussed in the episode include: - The extent and nature of corruption in Australia - The role of the newly-established NACC in addressing “grey corruption" - Effective approaches to anticorruption measures - The utility of the Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) - Uniquely Australian concepts of corruption - Top priorities in strengthening the anticorruption system. For more on corruption in liberal democracies, check out the previous episode: 134. Oguzhan Dincer & Michael Johnston on Corruption in America. Find out more about AJ’s work here: https://experts.griffith.edu.au/18540-a-j-brown And the NACC here: https://www.nacc.gov.au/

134. Oguzhan Dincer & Michael Johnston on Corruption in America 19.06.2025 42мин

This episode features Oz Dincer and Michael Johnston, who join regular Kickback host Robert Barrington to discuss their new book 'Corruption in America', which explores corruption in various policy areas across all fifty states. Dincer O, Johnston M. Corruption in America: A Fifty-Ring Circus. Cambridge University Press; 2025.

133. Rebecca Dobson Phillips, Helen Taylor & Alex Jacobs on the UK's Anti-Corruption Ecosystem 05.06.2025 42мин

Is Anti-Corruption work an inclusive movement deeply connected to its grassroots origins, or a self-serving, hierarchical entity that partially manufactures the problems for which it offers solutions? To critically examine this dichotomy, and the UK’s anticorruption ecosystem more broadly, Kickback host Robert Barrington is joined by Rebecca Dobson-Phillips, assistant Professor in Politics at the Centre for the Study of Corruption, Alex Jacobs, director of the Joffe Trust, and Helen Taylor, a senior legal researcher at spotlight on corruption. Anti-Corruption in a Discordant World: Contestation, Abuse and Innovation is edited by David Jackson, Inge Amunsen and Aled Williams (Chr. Michelsen Institute) and will be published by Routledge later this year. The book gathers empirical evidence on the many paths anti-corruption has taken in a discordant world and ponders how this context has distorted, deformed and enriched anti-corruption practice. It will include a chapter by Rebecca Dobson Phillips on "Corruption and Anti-corruption in Post-Brexit Britain". This research is part of the Governance & Integrity Anti-Corruption Evidence (GI ACE) programme which generates actionable evidence that policymakers, practitioners and advocates can use to design and implement more effective anti-corruption initiatives. This GI ACE project is funded by UK International Development. The views expressed in this report do not necessarily reflect the UK Government’s official policies.

132. Nishan de Mel on Sri Lanka's governance-linked bond 15.05.2025 39мин

This episode features Nishan de Mel, the Executive Director of Verite Research, to discuss their development of Sri Lanka’s innovative governance-linked bond, which seeks to break the country’s vicious cycle of poor governance and financial instability. Learn more about: Verite Research - https://www.veriteresearch.org The Civil Society Governance Diagnostic Report, mentioned by Nishan - https://www.tisrilanka.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/GDA_REPORT_2023.pdf And the IMF’s Governance Diagnostic Assessment - https://www.treasury.gov.lk/news/article/221 For more on issues of corruption in Sri Lanka, check out Kickback episode 106, with Sankhitha Gunaratne.

131. Mario Hidalgo on corruption & organised crime in Ecuador 24.04.2025 27мин

This episode of Kickback features Dr. Mario Hidalgo, from the Transparency and Anti-Corruption Laboratory at UTE university in Ecuador, to shed light on Ecuador's transition from the "Island of Peace" to a country facing widespread organised crime and violence, highlighting the significantly enabling role of corruption. The conversation also touches upon Ecuador's institutional unpreparedness, political polarisation, and the weaponization of corruption during the recent presidential elections. Learn more about Mario's important work here: https://ute.edu.ec/laboratorio-de-transparencia-y-anticorrupcion/

130. Daniel Paget on authoritarianism & resistance in Tanzania 10.04.2025 36мин

For this episode, regular host Liz David-Barrett is joined by Dr Daniel Paget, an assistant professor in politics at the University of Sussex, to unpack the nuances of electoral authoritarianism in Tanzania, the aspirations of a key opposition movement, and the power of alternative theoretical frameworks for understanding the fight against domination and for democracy. Find Daniel's paper 'The Anti-Authoritarian Populisms: Ideologies of Democratic Struggle in Tanzania, Zimbabwe and Worldwide' (2024) here: https://www.danpaget.com/recent-publication and ‘A people power philosophy: republican ideology in opposition in Tanzania.’ (2023) here: https://www-tandfonline-com.sussex.idm.oclc.org/doi/full/10.1080/13510347.2022.2150759 DISCLAIMER: This episode was recorded several days before the arrest of Tundu Lissu.

129. Marianne Camerer & Devi Pillay on State Capture in South Africa 27.03.2025 53мин

For this episode Dr Marianne Camerer, a Senior Lecturer at the University of Cape Town’s Nelson Mandela School of Public Governance, and Devi Pillay, a research fellow with the GI-ACE programme, join regular KB host Liz David-Barrett to discuss the experience of state capture in South Africa, under the presidency of Jacob Zuma. Check out the following resources to learn more about the issues discussed in this episode: The Open Secrets website which houses the Civil Society Working Group Against State Capture https://www.opensecrets.org.za/civil-society-working-group-on-state-capture/ The State Capture Commission website https://www.statecapture.org.za/ The Public Protector’s 2016 report https://www.sahistory.org.za/archive/state-capture-report-public-protector-14-october-2016 A short summary written by Devi of the Commission and its findings https://pari.org.za/summary-the-state-capture-commission And the book "State Capture in South Africa: How and why it happened", edited by Mbongiseni Buthelezi and Peter Vale https://pari.org.za/new-book-state-capture-in-south-africa-how-and-why-it-happened/ This research is part of the Governance & Integrity Anti-Corruption Evidence (GI ACE) programme which generates actionable evidence that policymakers, practitioners and advocates can use to design and implement more effective anti-corruption initiatives. This GI ACE project is funded by UK International Development. The views expressed in this report do not necessarily reflect the UK Government’s official policies.