The Rest Is Money
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Robert Peston and Steph McGovern bring you insightful business and finance stories. They delve into key challenges and opportunities facing today's business world, from tech investments to political decisions affecting global markets. Each episode offers expert analysis on market regulations, economic recovery, and the future of work, featuring insights from influential leaders and entrepreneurs.
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313. Ruth Curtice: middle earners need to be taxed more 13.09.2026 35минHow much of a buffer does the chancellor have now? What taxes might we need to put up? How does the tax burden on UK workers compare to other countries? Why might middle earners need to pay more? Ruth Curtice from the Resolution Foundation is back to tell us about what the Rachel Reeves tax rises did to the UK tax wedge and where this leaves John Healey now. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producer: Bella Soames General Manager: Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices -
312. What's missing from Healey's growth plan? 09.09.2026 42минThe chancellor says we're turning a corner, but into what? He wants ministers to take more risks, so what does that mean? Why was their nothing that directly addresses the UK’s vulnerability to a debt crisis? The North is getting a new fund for businesses to scale up - will it make a difference? And what can we learn from microchipping cats? Robert and Steph dissect the Chancellor's first big speech announcing plans to remove barriers for investment, cutting red tape, tackling risk aversion and getting PuFins to invest more in the private sector. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producer: Bella Soames General Manager: Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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311. Why is the US debt crisis a big problem for Burnham? 06.09.2026 41минAre we at risk of a global financial crisis? What’s driving it? And why is the UK being punished more than other countries? Is reforming the pensions triple lock part of the answer? It’s been a wild time on the bond markets, with UK gilts yields at record highs. Robert and Steph explain why global inflation, the state of government borrowing and US tech firms turning to the debt markets for AI build out, is a big deal for the UK. Plus they discuss what it means for the chancellor ahead of the Budget on the 28th October. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Bella Soames and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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310. Gordon Brown: ‘I’d tell Trump he’s unpopular’ 02.09.2026 46минFormer Prime Minister Gordon Brown says fixing broken communities is an economic emergency, but how do we do it? Burnham’s fiscal devolution? Could social impact bonds work? How do we extract more tax from the super wealthy? What about the shattered world order—can that be mended? What would he say to Trump now if he were PM? And as the man who gave independence to the Bank of England, does he think it’s still fit for purpose? Gordon Brown talks to Steph and Robert about his new book, The Future Starts With Us, looking at what needs to happen to rebuild our broken communities and fractured world order. Plus, what this all means for places like Middlesbrough. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Lorcan Moullier Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Bella Soames and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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309. Why we’re wasting our time predicting the future of AI 30.08.2026 45минIs it possible for us to shape how AI is used rather than have tech firms decide for us? Should the UK government be looking to create our own ChatGPT? Or would open source AI be better for public services? How do we make sure we don’t hand over all our valuable NHS data to a US tech firm? Dr Laura Gilbert CBE – senior director of AI at the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change talks to Steph about why we should stop asking experts to predict the future of AI because they’re rubbish at it. She also argues for a National Open Source AI Lab. Plus, how she saved the government £40 million pounds in half an hour when she was a civil servant. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Bella Soames and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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308. The 4 challenges (and the biggest opportunity) facing the new PM 26.08.2026 46минDoes Burnham’s government have a credible growth plan? Are the fiscal rules still fit for purpose? How can Whitehall be reformed for the AI age - and who will pay tax if AI leads to widespread job losses? Robert discusses the major challenges facing Burnham and Healey with Lord O’Donnell, former Cabinet Secretary under three British prime ministers. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Bella Soames and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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307. The world’s most influential economist: how we can deliver "worker-friendly AI" 23.08.2026 26минHow damaging to us is the obsession of Anthropic, Google and Open AI with creating AI super intelligence? How can political leaders set a new path for AI, that would enrich workers rather than replace them? And is the falling birth rate actually good for us? In the second part of Robert’s interview with Nobel prize-winning economist Daron Acemoglu, about his influential new book, “what happened to liberal democracy”, we learn whether AI can be tamed to prevent most of the rewards going to trillionaires. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK Buy tickets for The Rest is Fest: https://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/whats-on/the-rest-is-money-live/ Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Bella Soames and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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306. The world’s most influential economist: Tax wealth and break up big tech 19.08.2026 32минHow do we revive living standards and restore confidence in liberal democracy? Is the link between productivity and wages permanently broken? What is working-class liberalism? Why should Andy Burnham’s first budget raise taxes on capital while cutting taxes on employment? And why are tech giants like Google and Amazon twice as wealthy as the British Empire at its peak? Robert investigates how to safeguard our way of life with Nobel Prize–winning economist Daron Acemoglu. Together, they discuss whether the prescriptions in Acemoglu's influential new book are practical enough to prevent liberal democracy from eroding further. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK Buy tickets for The Rest is Fest: https://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/whats-on/the-rest-is-money-live/ Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Bella Soames and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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305. The Apprentice Unicorn - Euan Blair on rewiring investment and training 16.08.2026 45минWhy is it taking so long to get people trained in AI? Should we be devolving education powers to employers instead of Mayors? Is the replacement for the Apprenticeship levy any good? Why is it so hard for companies here to raise money from British investors? Steph talks to Euan Blair, CEO of Multiverse - the UK’s first British EdTech business valued at over a billion - about the future of work. Plus some spicy chat on Multiverse’s Ofsted rating and why Euan’s dad was wrong to push for 50% of young people into university when he was PM. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Bella Soames and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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304. Why Burnham’s best economic policy would be “do nothing” 12.08.2026 49минHow can the government persuade UK companies and households to invest and spend their record cash holdings? Why is Donald Trump’s unpredictability failing to destroy economic growth? Why is it so difficult to assess whether a lethal AI bubble currently exists? Robert discusses the risks and opportunities in today’s world of extreme financial, technological and political risks with Karen Ward, chief market strategist for JP Morgan in EMEA. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Bella Soames and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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303. Why making schools truly comprehensive is vital for our economy 09.08.2026 1ч 2минWhy do secondary schools fail so many young people? Whose fault is it? What does good vocational education look like? He says the hard hat is just as important as the graduation cap, but does Andy Burnham really get it? With A-Level and GCSE results due out, Steph’s launched a day to celebrate the millions of people getting vocational qualifications. To mark this we take the show to a thriving business in Cornwall to look at how they’re solving their skills problem. Also, Robert and Steph unpick the crisis in British education and come up with bold solutions. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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302. Can the West bridge the gap with China, India and the BRICs+ nations? 05.08.2026 38минHow fixable is the schism between the rich developed countries, led by the US, and the faster-growing BRICS+ group, led by China, Russia, and India? Can these emerging powerhouses truly detach themselves from the dollar-dominated financial system? And on which critical issues must we work collaboratively with them to avoid global disaster? Robert and Steph chat with Lord Jim O’Neill, the former Goldman Sachs chief economist who coined the influential BRIC concept 25 years ago. He has recently launched a new strategy platform and think tank, BRICS+ Thinking, designed to encourage pragmatic entente and policy cooperation with these fast-growing, powerful economies. As an influential crossbench peer who also has the ear of Andy Burnham, his views matter. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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301. Why the US won't stop China in the AI race 02.08.2026 51минAre we in an AI bubble? Does it matter that Chinese AI firms are banned from using American chips? How big is the chance of an AI crash? Can an AI business survive without energy generation capabilities? Azeem Azhar – the founder of the leading research platform Exponential View – joins us to tell us about his report on the state of the AI economy. Plus, Robert and Steph find out what Azeem learnt about AI from a visit to a Chinese night club with the Moonshot gang. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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300. Does Burnham get AI? 29.07.2026 42минWhat parts of AI does the UK have to control to secure ourselves against enemies? Does Burnham understand how important AI is for growth and security? Are entrepreneurs less welcome in the UK now? Why should the government support a ‘freedom to fail’ funding and business culture? Matt Clifford wrote Starmer’s AI action plan. He is a tech investor and co-founder of the billion dollar business Entrepreneurs First. He talks to Robert and Steph about UK AI policy and chairing the organisation ARIA that hands out government funding for fundamental tech research. Plus find out what re-freezing the arctic has to do with all this. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices -
299. Trump’s new tariffs - can anyone win a trade war? 27.07.2026 46минHow has Donald Trump got away with bringing in new tariffs when the last lot were ruled unlawful? Why is the UK in a worse position than the EU now? Are trade wars always bad? Had anyone ever won one without harming themselves? Are we ever going to get back to free trade? Robert and Steph are joined by economist and FT columnist Soumaya Keynes, self-confessed trade nerd and author of ‘How to win a trade war’ to evaluate the damage from Trump’s new wave of tariffs on 60 countries. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. This episode is brought to you by Accenture. https://Accenture.com/Spotify-UK Email: the[email protected]X: @TheRestIsMoneyInstagram: @TheRestIsMoneyTikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan BonhamProducer: Isabelle BougeardExec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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298. Why Healey as Chancellor? And can he find the money? 21.07.2026 41минJohn Healey is the Chancellor to increase defence spending to 3% of GDP, but how will he pay for it? Would war bonds do the trick? Is a cut in electricity VAT and a rise in income tax thresholds helping the right people? What will it take to build enough council houses? With the surprise appointment of former defence secretary John Healey as Burnham's new Chancellor, we look at whether he can revive the UK. Plus Robert and Steph wonder whether the hidden hand of Gordon Brown is behind Healey's appointment. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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297. How do we reshape our workforce in the AI era? 19.07.2026 39минWhat should the government be doing to get us AI ready? How do we make sure people co-exist with AI and aren't just replaced by it? What role should trade unions have? What are 'tech towns' and how important are they in the AI race? Nobel prize winning economist Simon Johnson is back to tell us about his role as the chair of the government’s AI Institute which will use workplace data shared by over thirty major corporations to track, in real-time, how AI adoption is shifting job availability, wage growth, and macroeconomic productivity across the UK. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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296. Gary Stevenson- how would a wealth tax help those on low incomes? 15.07.2026 36минWhat impact would a 2% wealth tax on people with £10 million have? If you tax the rich more will it bring down the cost of living for everyone else? How will this help the shortfall of affordable homes? What about the North South divide? Will it reduce the one million NEETs the country has? Will it grow the economy? Inequality economist Gary Stevenson is back to tell us why taxing millionaires is the way to make things fairer. Robert and Steph have a lively debate about whether wealth taxes are enough. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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295. Jim O’Neill – The man shaping Burnhamomics 12.07.2026 48минIf fiscal devolution is central to Burnham’s plans, how do we make sure the money is not wasted by mayors and councils? How can Burnham avoid market mayhem if he invests significantly more? Would it be crazy to break up the Treasury? Why is scrapping the pensions triple lock essential? Former U.K. Treasury Minister and ex Goldman Sachs chair Jim O’Neill has been advising Andy Burnham on the hard choices he’ll have to make as PM. Steph and Robert talk to him about Manchesterism and the need to slaughter four sacred cows . The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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294. Gary Stevenson – Is being a city trader bad? 09.07.2026 33минIs it fair that city traders can make loads of money betting on the economy’s demise? Are people with working class backgrounds better at trading? How do you go from making millions on a trade floor to becoming obsessed with wealth inequality? In the first of our two-part series, we sit down with economist Gary Stevenson. He tells us how he made millions by betting on our economic decline, and why he transitioned from a high-stakes trader to a man on a mission to tax millionaires more-a journey explored in his new Channel 4 documentary, How to Get Filthy Rich." The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: the[email protected] X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney Advertise with us: [email protected] For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Dylan Bonham Producer: Isabelle Bougeard Exec Producers: Chris Sawyer and Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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