UNBOXING OD: Exploring the Work Behind the Work
Kenneth Pearson
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Unboxing OD is a podcast about organizational development (OD), hosted by Kenneth Pearson, a seasoned OD practitioner and author of The Flow of Five Tiers. Most episodes are solo deep dives into the fieldwork and philosophy behind OD, with occasional guest conversations featuring experts, newcomers, and people who challenge standard practice. It is aimed at early-career OD professionals, leaders navigating change, and anyone who believes workplaces can be more human. The show favors practical wisdom and lived experience over jargon and endless theory.
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Episode 38: Who Owns Organizational Development? The Clarity Crisis of OD 20.07.2026 9минOrganizational Development touches leadership, culture, strategy, change, learning, engagement, succession planning, and organizational effectiveness. Somewhere along the way, many organizations began asking OD to solve almost every complex people challenge. But what does Organizational Development actually own? In this episode of Unboxing OD, Kenneth Pearson explores how the expanding role of OD has created both opportunity and ambiguity. When a function becomes responsible for everything, i... -
Episode 37: Is Organizational Development Too Polite to Create Real Change? 01.06.2026 10минOrganizational Development was built to challenge systems, surface truth, and help organizations evolve. So why does so much OD work feel safe? In this episode of Unboxing OD, Kenneth Pearson explores a question that many practitioners have quietly considered but rarely discuss openly: Has Organizational Development become too polite to create real change? From softened language and endless consensus-building to the pressure of maintaining executive relationships, this conversation examines h... -
Episode 36: Creating Joyful Workplaces - Curiosity, Learning, and Growth with Yolanda Fraction 24.04.2026 56минSometimes, the path into Organizational Development begins with a single moment. A moment where someone recognizes potential and opens the door to something more. In this episode of Unboxing OD, Kenneth Pearson sits down with Yolanda Fraction, author of Joyful Workplaces, to explore how that moment shaped her journey and how it continues to influence the way she approaches leadership, learning, and development. What begins as a personal story expands into a deeper conversation about how growt... -
Episode 35: Strategy, Systems, and Succession - Inside STL-ODN's Growth Story 05.03.2026 1ч 15минWhat happens when Organizational Development Professionals apply their own principles to their own organization? In this episode of Unboxing OD, Kenneth Pearson sits down with members of the executive team from the St. Louis Organizational Development Network — Ryan McCrea, Aaron Adams, and Joani Alsop — to explore how STL-ODN moved from survival mode to sustained momentum. This conversation goes beyond networking and professional development. It unpacks what intentional strategy,... -
Episode 34: Making Change Human Again - A Conversation with Dr. Jason Guttadauria 16.01.2026 1ч 6минWhat actually happens after the survey closes, the insights are delivered, and the change initiative officially “launches”? In this episode of Unboxing OD, Kenneth Pearson sits down with Dr. Jason Guttadauria, founder of JSG Advisory and widely known as “Dr. Irrelevant,” to unpack why so many well-intentioned change efforts stall and what it really takes to move from insight to sustained impact. Jason shares the story behind his “Dr. Irrelevant” moniker and how it reflects a deeper truth in o... -
Episode 33: The Recruitment System is Broken - Now What? 09.01.2026 13минApplying for a job shouldn’t feel like shouting into a void. Yet for many candidates today, the recruitment process is defined by silence, redundancy, rigid requirements, and being ghosted after investing real time and effort. Organizations claim they can’t find talent, while candidates quietly opt out of systems that feel dismissive and disconnected from human reality. In this solo episode of Unboxing OD, Kenneth Pearson takes a hard look at what’s broken in modern recruitment -- and why thi... -
Episode 32: The OD Perspective on Wellness - A Conversation with Dr. Katina Sawyer 29.10.2025 56минIn this episode of Unboxing OD, Kenneth Pearson is joined by Dr. Katina Sawyer, co-founder of Workr Beeing, Associate Professor of Management and Organizations at the Eller College of Management, and co-author of Leading for Wellness: How to Create a Team Culture Where Everyone Thrives. Together, they explore the deeper meaning of workplace wellness - beyond programs, perks, and initiatives - and uncover how true well-being is built through leadership behavior, team culture, and daily interac... -
Episode 31: Pop Culture, Real Lessons - Teaching Leadership with Dr. Sy Islam 10.10.2025 1ч 13минIn this episode of Unboxing OD, host Kenneth Pearson sits down with Dr. Sy Islam - Co-Founder and Vice President of Consulting at Talent Metrics, and Associate Professor of Psychology at Farmingdale State College - to explore the art and science of leadership development. Dr. Islam shares his insights on how organizations can better support middle managers, why data-driven decisions need a human lens, and how integrity in action separates good leaders from great ones. Together, they discuss t... -
Episode 30: Hustling With Heart - Jenn Stevens on Presence, Ownership, and Developing Leaders from Any Seat 26.09.2025 1ч 14минIn this episode of Unboxing OD, I sit down with Jenn Stevens, an Organizational Development leader whose path into this work is anything but conventional. From firefighter to yoga studio owner to executive coach and L&D leader in tech, Jenn’s story reflects a career stitched together by one consistent thread: a deep commitment to people. We talk about what it really means to “hustle with heart” - bringing both drive and presence into the work. Jenn shares why presence is the true di... -
Episode 29: Strategic Clarity, Leadership, and AI - Marcus Dudley on Modern Leadership in the Digital Age 19.09.2025 1ч 19минIn this episode of Unboxing OD, Kenneth Pearson is joined by Marcus Dudley, leadership and organizational consultant, executive coach, professor, and CEO of Mammoth Leadership and Organizational Development. With over three decades of experience spanning the military, sports, nonprofits, and business, Marcus brings a direct, no-fluff perspective on what modern leaders need most. The conversation explores why so many leadership development programs fall short, the importance of strategic... -
Episode 28: The Invisible Medal - Leading with a Higher Purpose with Chris Richie 05.09.2025 1ч 12минIn this episode of Unboxing OD, Kenneth Pearson sits down with Colonel Chris Ritchie, retired United States Marine Corps officer and Director of Human Resource Development at Auburn University. Across his career, Chris has led organizations from small teams to global commands and now designs leadership and performance development programs that reach thousands of employees. Their conversation explores the shift from success to significance -- how true leadership lives not in accolades, b... -
Episode 27: Unspoken Truths, Quiet Legacies - Five Reflections on Work and Self 25.08.2025 17минThis episode of Unboxing OD is something different. Instead of frameworks or methodologies, Kenneth offers a deeply personal reflection told in five movements -- exploring the hidden labor of showing up at work while holding parts of ourselves back, the unspoken space between people, and the truths we carry but often leave unsaid. Across these movements, Kenneth reflects on what it means to return to ourselves and to each other, and the quieter legacies we leave behind in the trace of o... -
Episode 26: The Inner Work of Leadership - A Conversation with Poor Bear Chalepah 19.08.2025 1ч 2минIn this episode of Unboxing OD, Kenneth Pearson sits down with Poor Bear Chalepah, consultant, visionary leader, and soon-to-be PhD in Industrial-Organizational Psychology. As a proud member of the Apache Tribe of Oklahoma, Poor Bear shares his journey across industries -- from railroads and welding to organizational psychology, and the lessons that shaped his approach to leadership, belonging, and growth. Together, Kenneth and Poor Bear explore what it means to move beyond the buzzword... -
Episode 25: OD Burnout Is Real - Protecting Your Capacity in the Work That Holds So Much 11.08.2025 9минIn this solo episode of Unboxing OD, Kenneth Pearson steps into a conversation that many OD practitioners feel but rarely name -- burnout. Not the surface-level fatigue that comes after a long week, but the deep, layered exhaustion that comes from holding space for others, navigating resistant systems, and balancing the emotional labor that sits beneath our day-to-day work. Kenneth unpacks how OD burnout shows up, why it builds over time, and the quiet cost of constantly staying present... -
Episode 24: Change by Design - A Conversation with Melissa Donegan 06.08.2025 59минIn this episode of Unboxing OD, host Kenneth Pearson sits down with Melissa Donegan - an experienced leader across federal agencies, healthcare, education, and tech - to talk about what it really means to design for change instead of reacting to it. Together, they explore how intentional listening and career mindfulness can transform not only the outcomes of an initiative but also the people at the heart of it. Melissa shares how her career path has shaped her perspective, what it means... -
Episode 23: Inclusion, Community, & Compassion - Alex Ochoa & The Work of Becoming 21.07.2025 47минIn this special in-person episode of Unboxing OD, Alex Ochoa shares what it means to show up - fully, boldly, and unapologetically - in a profession where you don’t always see yourself reflected. A first-generation Latina college graduate, Learning & Development Specialist, and co-founder of Latinos in I/O Psychology (LIOP), Alex opens up about navigating identity, imposter syndrome, and the quiet power of building space when none was offered. This episode isn’t about theory. It’s a... -
Episode 22: When the Diagnosis Hurts - Telling the Truth in OD 14.07.2025 8минIn this episode of Unboxing OD, host Kenneth Pearson takes us into one of the most delicate and defining aspects of organizational development - what happens when your findings reveal something uncomfortable, something that leadership might not be ready to hear. OD practitioners are often asked to assess culture, diagnose issues, and present a path forward. But what happens when the data tells a harder story? One of broken trust, misaligned values, or leadership that’s lost touch? How d... -
Episode 21: Navigating the Transition from L&D to OD with Bethany Rios, MPH 01.07.2025 29минIn this guest episode of Unboxing OD, host Kenneth Pearson sits down with Bethany Rios, Organizational Development Manager and L&D professional, for a candid conversation about stepping into the world of OD from a background in training and development. Together, they explore what it means to shift from a skills-based approach to a systems-level mindset, how OD differs from L&D in practice, and why relationship-building and leadership buy-in are essential to long-term success. B... -
Episode 20: The Silent Partner - Power in Organizations 26.06.2025 9минIn this episode of Unboxing OD, Kenneth explores the powerful presence of organizational power dynamics and the influence they carry in shaping culture, conversations, and decisions. These dynamics often live beneath the surface, guiding what is shared, what remains unspoken, and how change takes shape across teams and leadership. Kenneth invites listeners to reflect on what it means to be brought in as a trusted voice, while also encountering subtle boundaries around what can truly be ... -
Episode 19: Allyship in Action with Dr. Victoria Mattingly 16.06.2025 36минIn this powerful and personal conversation, Dr. Victoria Mattingly (Dr. V) - organizational psychologist, keynote speaker, and CEO of Mattingly Solutions - joins Kenneth to explore what it really means to act like an ally in the workplace. From her unexpected entry into IO psychology to the human-centered heart of her work, Dr. V shares the stories and insights that have shaped her journey. Together, they dive into how allyship can move from performance to partnership, how vulnerability and i...
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