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  What Hyperliquid Could Change About Traditional Markets | Jake Chervinsky 17.09.2026 23dk

  In today's episode of Talking Tokens, Jacquelyn sits down with Jake Chervinsky, founder and CEO of Hyperliquid Policy Center, to discuss how perpetual futures could move beyond crypto and what it would take to bring regulated onchain markets to the U.SJake breaks down why 24/7 price discovery matters, how perpetual futures could complement traditional derivatives markets, and why oil could be a natural next market for onchain trading. They discuss Hyperliquid's role as infrastructure for exchanges, the potential for regulated perpetual futures in the U.S., how onchain markets could improve liquidity and price discovery, and why not every traditional market necessarily needs to trade 24/7. Timestamps00:00 Jake Chervinsky and the Hyperliquid Policy Center  02:37 Why Jake believes in Hyperliquid  05:03 What makes Hyperliquid different  06:21 Taking perpetual futures beyond crypto  09:39 Perpetual futures explained  11:25 What 24/7 markets reveal about price discovery  13:01 Why pricing doesn't stop when markets close  14:08 Should every market trade 24/7?  16:01 Why oil could be the next market for perpetual futures  18:44 Who would use oil perpetuals?  19:18 What Hyperliquid could change about financial markets  21:00 Bringing regulated perpetual futures to the U.S. New episodes every week https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141 Follow us Jacquelyn on X: /jacqmelinek Talking Tokens on X: /_talkingtokens Talking Tokens on Instagram: /_talkingtokens Follow Jake Chervinskyhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/jakechervinskyhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/jakechervinskyThis episode is sponsored by Forgd, visit its Market Maker Leaderboard on Token Relations here: www.stratamedia.co/token-relations/leaderboard Today’s episode is sponsored by Anchorage Digital, America's first federally chartered digital asset bank and provider of regulated stablecoin issuance. To find out more, visit anchorage.com This episode is brought to you by GSR, crypto’s capital markets partner, learn more at https://www.gsr.io/
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  Convergence Episode 1: How WisdomTree Went From $30M to $1 Billion in Onchain AUM 16.09.2026 47dk

  Today we are announcing Convergence, our new institutional product for sophisticated investors, in a joint venture between StrataMedia's Token Relations product & Talking Tokens podcast alongside The Rollup, and is presented by WisdomTree. For our debut launch, WisdomTree's Head of Digital Asset's Will Peck joins us for Episode #1 of Convergence.WisdomTree's onchain assets went from $30 million to over $1 billion, and Will Peck says money market funds did the heavy lifting. On episode one of Convergence, Will explains why tokenized funds complement stablecoins rather than compete with them, and how WisdomTree got SEC exemptive relief to let a tokenized money market fund trade 24/7 through a broker dealer. He also pushes back on the private-markets tokenization thesis, arguing illiquidity isn't a record-keeping problem. Will Peck is the Head of Digital Assets at WisdomTree, a global asset manager and ETF sponsor with roughly $170 billion in assets under management.Convergence is powered by The Rollup and StrataMedia, covering the convergence of legacy finance and onchain finance.Timestamps:00:00 Intro02:52 What Convergence Actually Means04:30 Why WisdomTree Started In 201805:38 Exporting US Capital Markets08:56 Institutional Versus Retail Distribution10:32 The Innovation Exemption Explained13:14 DTCC's Forty Firm Pilot16:00 Three Models Of Tokenization19:35 Why WisdomTree Chose Issuer-Led21:10 Thirty Million To One Billion22:45 What Drives The Next Era25:05 Why Private Markets Aren't It28:05 Who Wins The Tokenization Wave30:14 The Perfect Storm For Adoption33:08 WisdomTree's North Star New episodes every week https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141 Follow us Jacquelyn on X: /jacqmelinek Talking Tokens on X: /_talkingtokens Talking Tokens on Instagram: /_talkingtokens𝗗𝗜𝗦𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘯 𝘤𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘤𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘦𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘴 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘴 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘬𝘴 𝘪𝘯𝘤𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘦𝘤𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦. 𝘈𝘵 𝘤𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘦𝘭, 𝘸𝘦 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘦𝘦 𝘢𝘴 𝘢 𝘴𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘰𝘳𝘴𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘪𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘸𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘸𝘢𝘺𝘴 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘥𝘶𝘤𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘦 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘤𝘦. 𝘞𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘴 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘴𝘰𝘳𝘴.
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  From Pokémon Cards to Birkins: Inside Beezie’s $200M+ Volume | Andrea Miele 15.09.2026 29dk

  In today's episode of Solana Sessions, Jacquelyn sits down with Andrea Miele, CEO and founder of Beezie, to explore how gamification, tokenization and onchain infrastructure are changing the way consumers discover and buy collectibles.Andrea breaks down how Beezie grew from tokenized trading cards into a broader gamified commerce platform, recently crossing $200 million in volume and $100 million in total revenue. They discuss Beezie's expansion into luxury markets through its partnership with The Luxury Closet, how users can access everything from Pokémon cards to luxury handbags through its digital claw-machine experience, and why Andrea believes the future of shopping is about more than simply searching, clicking and buying. She also explains why Beezie abstracts away the blockchain experience for mainstream users, how onchain transparency can help build trust, why Solana has become a key ecosystem for the company, and where gamified commerce could expand next.Timestamps:00:10 Andrea journey from collector to founder02:26 How shopping behavior is changing03:20 How Beezie's digital claw machine works05:25 Why trading cards found product-market fit06:49 Building through doubt as a founder07:51 What drove Beezie's growth08:51 Growing to $200M in volume and $100M in revenue11:28 User growth and retention12:35 Expanding beyond crypto-native collectors13:03 Beezie's move into luxury14:48 How the luxury experience works15:49 Vaulting and securing physical assets16:17 Authenticating luxury goods17:16 Why Beezie is selling “the chase”18:14 The future of gamified commerce19:19 What Beezie learned from sneakers20:17 What's next for tokenized commerce21:07 Bringing luxury buyers onchain23:25 Building trust through authentication27:23 What traditional collectibles markets get wrong28:46 Why onchain transparency matters29:36 Who is the future Beezie customer?30:10 Andrea's advice for founders30:38 Why Beezie chose SolanaThis episode is a part of the Solana Sessions campaign between Token Relations and the Talking Tokens podcast, diving into founders' journeys and startups building on Solana. Check out the accompanying newsletter on www.stratamedia.co/token-relations/solana As part of the episode, we’re giving away one code for the fastest listener: LUX92244527. Head to solana.beezie.com/claw/Platinum-TCG-9 and sign up for an account, and apply the promo code for the premium Platinum TCG claw machine.  New episodes every week https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141 Follow us Jacquelyn on X: /jacqmelinek Talking Tokens on X: /_talkingtokens Talking Tokens on Instagram: /_talkingtokens Follow Andrea Mielehttps://x.com/AndreaMYelliehttps://www.instagram.com/beeziedotcom/
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  How Stock Tokens Fueled Robinhood Chain's Explosive Growth 14.09.2026 15dk

  Robinhood Chain has quickly emerged as one of the fastest-growing blockchains, with roughly 620,000 average daily active users, $1.3 million in daily fees, and $4.26 billion in TVL, at the time of recording. But  Alexander, from our institutional research team, explores in his latest report that some of the most interesting activity isn’t coming from stock tokens alone but also from what happens when tokenized stocks, memecoins, and 24/7 crypto markets collide.Alexander & Jacquelyn  breaks down how Robinhood Stock Tokens work, why memecoins tied to specific stock tokens have created unusual new trading dynamics, and how one HIMS-related stock token traded more than 100% above its underlying asset before reverting. We discuss why limited minting and redemption windows can create price dislocations while crypto markets continue trading, how 24/7 equity markets could reduce those gaps, and the differences between wrapped vs issuer-led tokenization. Alex also explains what has fueled Robinhood Chain’s rapid growth and why he believes the current memecoin-driven boom may already be approaching its end.Timestamps00:10 The Stock Token Saga and New StrataMedia Research01:12 Why Robinhood Chain Is Growing So Fast03:20 How Robinhood Stock Tokens Work04:55 The Risks Behind Wrapped Stock Tokens06:11 Why Stock Tokens Are Getting Attention06:52 When Memecoins Meet Tokenized Stocks07:58 How a Stock Token Traded 100%+ Above Its Underlying09:17 The Risks for Companies and Investors10:51 The Problem With 24/7 Stock Token Trading12:15 Wrapped vs. Issuer-Led Tokenization13:17 Is the Robinhood Chain Boom Ending?13:33 Why Alex Thinks the Market Could Cool Down15:16 What Comes Next Follow Talking Tokenshttps://x.com/_TalkingTokens?lang=enhttps://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens-crypto-onchain-finance-investing/id1743669141https://talkingtokens.beehiiv.com/ Follow Jacquelynhttps://x.com/jacqmelinek
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  Why Robinhood Is Betting on Tokenized Assets | Nicola White 10.09.2026 20dk

  In today's episode of Talking Tokens, Jacquelyn sits down with Nicola White, VP of Institutional at Robinhood, to discuss how Robinhood is expanding its institutional crypto business and why tokenized assets could reshape the way traditional financial markets operate.Nicola breaks down how Robinhood's acquisition of Bitstamp plays a role in expansion, the evolution of institutional demand from crypto pilots to real-world use cases, and the growing role of stock tokens, perpetual futures, collateral and capital efficiency. They also explore how Robinhood's stock tokens work, the path toward issuer-led tokenization, and why assets ranging from equities and private markets to money market funds, credit and FX could eventually move onchain. Timestamps:00:10 Nicola White's path from TradFi to crypto03:11 Building Robinhood's institutional business04:23 How Bitstamp expanded Robinhood's global footprint05:57 Connecting retail and institutional markets07:12 What TradFi professionals need to understand about crypto08:38 What traditional finance still gets wrong09:44 Are institutions moving beyond crypto pilots?10:41 What's working for Robinhood12:34 What are stock tokens?13:51 Wrapped vs. issuer-led tokenization14:55 Are stock tokens a bridge?15:47 Robinhood's biggest tokenization opportunities16:57 What does an institutional Robinhood look like?17:48 What institutions are asking for now18:34 Why capital efficiency matters19:34 What could unlock the next phase of U.S. institutional adoptionThis episode is sponsored by Forgd, visit its Market Maker Leaderboard on Token Relations here: www.stratamedia.co/token-relations/leaderboard Today’s episode is sponsored by Anchorage Digital, America's first federally chartered digital asset bank and provider of regulated stablecoin issuance. To find out more, visit anchorage.com This episode is brought to you by GSR, crypto’s capital markets partner, learn more at https://www.gsr.io/ New episodes every week https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141 Follow us Jacquelyn on X: /jacqmelinek Talking Tokens on X: /_talkingtokens Talking Tokens on Instagram: /_talkingtokensFollow Nicola White https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicola-white-b691003https://x.com/NicolaWhite444
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  How Stablecoins Could Double Margins for Businesses 08.09.2026 37dk

  In today's episode of Talking Tokens, Jacquelyn sits down with Sam Broner, CEO of The Better Money Company, to unpack what stablecoins need to become everyday payment infrastructure and why interoperability could matter more than which stablecoin ultimately wins. Drawing on his experience across Microsoft, the Federal Reserve, a16z and now building stablecoin infrastructure, Sam explains why today's payment system still has significant room for improvement.They discuss why companies are launching their own stablecoins, how a stablecoin clearinghouse could connect an increasingly fragmented market, and why consumers may eventually use stablecoins without even realizing it. Sam also breaks down the economics of card fees for merchants, whether stablecoins threaten Visa and Mastercard, and why AI agents could increasingly use stablecoins as a default way to transact online.Timestamps00:00 — Meet Sam Broner00:44 — From Microsoft and the Fed to stablecoins02:21 — Why Sam saw the stablecoin opportunity early04:54 — Is today's money system actually working?05:23 — What is a stablecoin clearinghouse?07:17 — Why stablecoin issuers need interoperability10:10 — Why companies want their own stablecoins12:25 — Why Better Money doesn't issue a stablecoin13:40 — What happens if there are thousands of stablecoins?17:13 — When stablecoins become everyday money18:56 — What needs to happen for mainstream payments?21:05 — How quickly could stablecoin payments become normal?22:53 — The economics of credit card fees24:41 — Do stablecoins threaten Visa and Mastercard?26:42 — Stablecoins vs. banks and existing payment rails28:05 — Why AI agents could pay with stablecoins30:23 — Your AI agent may use stablecoins without you knowing31:41 — How much money should you trust an AI agent with?33:54 — When consumers stop thinking about stablecoins36:43 — Sam's vision for the future of money37:10 — Sam's career adviceThis episode is sponsored by Forgd, visit its Market Maker Leaderboard on Token Relations here: www.stratamedia.co/token-relations/leaderboard Today’s episode is sponsored by Anchorage Digital, America's first federally chartered digital asset bank and provider of regulated stablecoin issuance. To find out more, visit anchorage.com New episodes every week https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141Follow us Jacquelyn on X: /jacqmelinek Talking Tokens on X: /_talkingtokens Talking Tokens on Instagram: /_talkingtokens Follow Sam Bronerhttps://x.com/SamBroner?lang=enhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/sambroner
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  Crypto Grew Despite Bad UX | What Happens When We Fix It? 03.09.2026 34dk

  In today's episode of Talking Tokens, Jacquelyn sits down with Edward Woodford, founder and CEO of zerohash, to explore how crypto infrastructure is becoming embedded inside some of the world’s largest banks, brokers, fintechs and payment companies. Zerohash powers digital asset and stablecoin capabilities for companies including Morgan Stanley, Interactive Brokers, Stripe and Visa, helping traditional financial institutions move from crypto trading toward a broader onchain financial stack.Edward Woodford explains why he believes banks will enter onchain finance through wealth and crypto before expanding into stablecoins, tokenized deposits, money market funds and tokenized stocks. They discuss why blockchain usability remains a major obstacle to mass adoption, the importance of abstracting away from chain complexity, how stablecoins could increase the velocity of global money movement, and why Edward has become increasingly bullish on onchain lending and vaults as financial markets move toward faster and more atomic settlement.Timestamps00:10 Zerohash and the Evolution of Onchain Infrastructure01:01 From Crypto Trading to Onchain Finance02:50 How Zerohash Has Changed Since 201705:43 Why Blockchain Fragmentation Still Matters07:44 Solving Crypto’s Usability Problem08:32 Building Infrastructure for Major Financial Institutions11:20 How Banks Expand From Crypto Into Onchain Assets14:26 Why Trust Matters More Than Innovation17:39 Why Zerohash Says No to Certain Business20:51 Why Zerohash Stayed Independent23:47 Building Through Crypto Market Cycles25:40 How Zerohash Makes Its Biggest Bets27:27 The Road to Mass Onchain Adoption30:55 Where Stablecoins Still Have Untapped Potential33:20 Why Onchain Lending Could Be Next35:10 Edward’s Advice for Crypto Builders New episodes every week https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141 Follow us Jacquelyn on X: /jacqmelinek Talking Tokens on X: /_talkingtokens Talking Tokens on Instagram: /_talkingtokens Follow Edward Woodfordhttps://x.com/e_woodfordhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/edwardwoodfordToday’s episode is sponsored by Anchorage Digital, America's first federally chartered digital asset bank and provider of regulated stablecoin issuance. To find out more, visit anchorage.com Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.
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  How Banks Went From Avoiding Crypto to Building Onchain 01.09.2026 37dk

  On today's Talking Tokenization, Jacquelyn sits down with Andrew McCormick, Head of Institutional and Market Development at Chainlink Labs, to explore how banks, retail brokers and traditional financial institutions are moving deeper into tokenization and why simply putting assets onchain is no longer enough. Andrew explains why institutional conversations have shifted from “what is a blockchain?” to “how can we plug in?” as well as why large Wall Street banks are increasingly exploring DeFi, and how retail brokers that aren't offering tokenized assets by 2030 could be left behind. They also discuss why tokenized equities could become a breakout category, how programmable collateral can make tokenized assets more useful, and how Chainlink is expanding beyond its origins as an oracle network to support data, interoperability, privacy, compliance and financial infrastructure.Plus, Andrew breaks down why crypto price matters less in institutional conversations today, what DTCC's move into tokenized securities could mean for TradFi-DeFi convergence, and why collateral may be one of the biggest unlocks for the next phase of onchain finance.Timestamps:01:56 How Andrew defines tokenization02:32 How the meaning of tokenization has changed03:06 What “institutional” means at Chainlink04:11 How institutional adoption changed in 202605:48 How banks are changing their view of digital assets07:19 Chainlink's evolution beyond oracles08:37 How Chainlink positions itself with financial institutions09:19 Institutional demand behind the scenes10:30 How long institutional partnerships take11:59 Which financial firms are moving fastest?13:06 Will every retail broker offer tokenized assets?13:32 How early is tokenization today?14:13 Could public equities move fully onchain?15:07 Could stocks eventually function like cash?15:39 Rebuilding financial workflows with blockchain17:15 Why institutions may have no choice but to follow18:32 Which tokenized asset category breaks out next?19:41 Why retail matters as much as institutions22:26 Why Wall Street is increasingly interested in DeFi24:09 What's driving institutions toward DeFi24:54 Why putting assets onchain isn't enough25:54 What Chainlink's institutional partnerships reveal27:43 Do institutions trust crypto more now?28:48 Why crypto prices matter less to institutions29:37 How TradFi and DeFi could converge30:07 What DTCC tokenization could unlock31:35 Chainlink as financial infrastructure32:31 The next catalyst for tokenization33:29 From crypto skeptic to blockchain believer35:23 Why collateral could be the next major unlock36:13 Andrew's adviceNew episodes every week https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141Follow us Jacquelyn on X: /jacqmelinek Talking Tokens on X: /_talkingtokens Talking Tokens on Instagram: /_talkingtokens Follow Andrew McCormickhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-mccormick-70662b88This episode is sponsored by Securitize, the proven leader in tokenized funds, equities, and private markets. Discover more at securitize.io Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.
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  DeFi Vaults Just Hit $15B | What’s Driving the Boom? 31.08.2026 11dk

  DeFi vaults are having a breakout year, with roughly $15 billion in value now sitting across the sector. But as Alexander Beaudry from our institutional research team found in his latest survey, rapid growth doesn’t necessarily mean institutional adoption has arrived. In this episode, we break down StrataMedia’s survey of seven industry leaders from Aave, Veda, Sky, Loopscale, Gauntlet, RockawayX, and Space and Time to explore what’s actually driving the rise of DeFi vaults and why one exec calls 2026 “the year of the vault.”Alex breaks down why distribution is emerging as one of the sector’s strongest competitive moats and reveals a striking divide around institutional demand, with survey respondents rating it anywhere from roughly 4 out of 10 to nearly 10 out of 10. We discuss why exchanges, neobanks, and fintechs rather than institutions themselves are currently driving some of the biggest vault use cases, how tokenization could bring more institutional capital onchain, and why track record, transparency, curation, and regulatory clarity may determine what comes next.Timestamps00:00 DeFi Vaults and the New StrataMedia Research01:58 Why DeFi Vaults Are Taking Off03:30 Distribution Is Becoming the Real Moat05:22 How Strong Is Institutional Demand?06:18 Who Is Actually Using DeFi Vaults?07:18 Tokenization Could Be the First Step08:17 The Biggest Surprise From the Survey09:47 Why Sophisticated Capital Is Changing10:50 What StrataMedia Research Is Exploring Next▫️Check out the full report: Follow Talking Tokenshttps://x.com/_TalkingTokens?lang=enhttps://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens-crypto-onchain-finance-investing/id1743669141https://talkingtokens.beehiiv.com/Follow Jacquelynhttps://x.com/jacqmelinek
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  What Happens When 2% of the $100 Trillion Stock Market Moves Onchain? 27.08.2026 41dk

  On today's episode of Talking Tokenization, Jacquelyn sits down with Carlos Domingo, co-founder and CEO of Securitize, to explore what's next for tokenized assets as institutional adoption grows and Wall Street moves more financial products onchain.Carlos breaks down why tokenization is still in its early innings despite Securitize reaching $5 billion in tokenized AUM, and why just 2% of the more than $100 trillion equities and ETF market moving onchain could have an enormous impact on crypto. They discuss tokenized stocks, BlackRock's BUIDL fund, real-world assets as collateral, the convergence of DeFi and institutional finance, and how Securitize is working with firms including BlackRock, Apollo, Hamilton Lane, Neuberger Berman and Cantor Fitzgerald.They also explore why simply putting assets onchain isn't enough, how tokenization could change IPO access and shareholder ownership, and what needs to happen before tokenized finance reaches mainstream investors.Timestamps:00:10 Introduction03:32 Securitize's IPO milestone04:13 The journey to becoming a public company06:48 Securitize's Q2 results and $5B tokenized AUM08:12 What Carlos learned from its first earnings 09:55 Building the tokenized asset market11:15 How much of the stock market could move onchain?14:24 Retail vs. institutional tokenization15:11 Bringing fixed income onchain17:21 Why investors are chasing yield17:57 Why tokenized assets stayed resilient during the crypto downturn18:57 Building the full tokenization stack20:49 What's still missing from onchain finance?21:32 What institutions are asking about tokenization now22:51 How BlackRock and other asset managers are expanding onchain24:07 Tokenized assets as collateral26:47 Can RWAs make DeFi safer?27:37 Where institutional finance meets DeFi29:44 Why Securitize brought on Brett Redfearn32:28 Bringing IPO access onchain with Cantor Fitzgerald35:51 Could IPOs become programmable?36:17 What will take tokenization mainstream?38:12 What's coming in 2027?38:57 Three models for tokenized stocks41:21 The risks of synthetic tokenized equities42:31 What Carlos is watching next43:44 Carlos's advice for investors and builders New episodes every week https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141Follow us Jacquelyn on X: /jacqmelinek Talking Tokens on X: /_talkingtokens Talking Tokens on Instagram: /_talkingtokensFollow Carlos Domingohttps://x.com/carlosdomingo?lang=enhttps://www.instagram.com/carlosdomingo/?hl=enThis episode is sponsored by Securitize, the proven leader in tokenized funds, equities, and private markets. Discover more at securitize.io Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.
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  Bitcoin Is Back, Scaramucci Says the Real $500K Rally Is Still Ahead 25.08.2026 41dk

  Anthony Scaramucci still believes Bitcoin can reach $500,000. In this episode of Talking Tokens, Jacquelyn Melinek sits down with the SkyBridge Capital founder and SALT chairman to discuss Bitcoin’s path to $500K, institutional crypto adoption and what could drive the next phase of the market.Scaramucci breaks down why banks and major institutions haven’t fully embraced Bitcoin, how blockchain could transform traditional finance and enable 24/7 markets, and why stablecoins could eventually become a larger market than Bitcoin.Plus, he shares which digital assets he believes have lasting utility, how he knows when an investment thesis has broken, and what selling Microsoft, Apple and Google too early taught him about patience and conviction.Timestamps:03:32 Scaramucci’s $500K Bitcoin Prediction05:13 Bitcoin vs. Gold: The Path to $500K10:06 Could Bitcoin Hit $500K in Five Years?11:16 Which Altcoins Could Survive?12:47 Why Crypto Resembles the Early Internet16:58 How Blockchain Could Transform Banking18:27 Are Financial Markets Going 24/7?27:42 Could Stablecoins Become Bigger Than Bitcoin?30:27 Scaramucci’s $50K Investing Mistake33:17 Has the Bitcoin Thesis Broken?36:23 Why Selling Apple, Microsoft & Google Was a Mistake41:00 Scaramucci on Self-HonestyFollow Talking TokensJacquelyn Melinek on X: @jacqmelinekTalking Tokens: @_talkingtokensFollow Anthony ScaramucciX: @ScaramucciYouTube: @therealanthonyscaramucciSponsorsSponsored by Forgd and Anchorage Digital. Learn more at stratamedia.co/token-relations/leaderboard and anchorage.com.This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.
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  Why Morpho’s CEO Thinks $200 Trillion of Credit Will Move Onchain 20.08.2026 39dk

  Is it possible for $200 trillion in global credit to move onchain, or is DeFi still trapped in speculation? Today’s guest is Paul Frambot, Co-Founder and CEO of Morpho. We explore the evolution of onchain credit, how decentralized finance is becoming a core technology stack for traditional finance, and what it takes to build a truly global, open credit network.Paul breaks down Morpho's shift from financial origination to pure technological infrastructure, connecting borrowers directly with tens of thousands of lenders at scale. From distribution partnerships with giants like Robinhood Earn and Coinbase to high-stakes institutional deals with Wall Street heavyweights like Apollo Asset Management, regulatory meetings with the SEC in Washington, and defending against North Korea's Lazarus Group with immutable code, Paul paints a compelling, pragmatic picture of how crypto will power the future of global financeTimestamps00:00 - Intro 00:47 - The Evolution of OnChain DeFi Lending02:15 - Building Morpho: Challenges and Philosophy04:07 - Early DeFi Traction and Growth Strategies05:59 - Morpho: Positioning as an Open Credit Network07:46 - Vetting Ecosystem Builders and Developers09:47 - Robinhood Earn Partnership & Mainstream Adoption15:07 - Institutional vs. Retail Strategies16:40 - The Apollo Asset Management Partnership17:35 - How Institutions Evaluate DeFi Risks19:48 - Navigating SEC Regulation and Compliance27:02 - Security Strategies: Addressing Lazarus Group Threats31:56 - Morpho’s Future Roadmap & 5-Year Vision37:01 - Core Principles for Thriving in the Crypto IndustryNew episodes every week https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141Follow us Jacquelyn on X: /jacqmelinek Talking Tokens on X: /_talkingtokens Talking Tokens on Instagram: /_talkingtokensFollow Paul Frambothttps://fr.linkedin.com/in/paul-frambot/enToday’s episode is sponsored by Anchorage Digital, America's first federally chartered digital asset bank and provider of regulated stablecoin issuance. To find out more, visit anchorage.com This episode is sponsored by Forgd, visit its Market Maker Leaderboard on Token Relations here: www.stratamedia.co/token-elations/leaderboard Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.
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  Your Next Portfolio Manager Could Be an AI Agent 18.08.2026 40dk

  In today's episode of Talking Tokens, Jacquelyn sits down with Rishin Sharma, Head of AI Growth at the Solana Foundation, to explore how AI agents could reshape payments, commerce, and financial markets and why Solana is positioning itself as financial infrastructure for the emerging agentic economy.Rishin breaks down how agentic payments work today, how pay.sh enables AI systems like ChatGPT and Claude to pay for services using stablecoins, and why checkout could eventually disappear into AI interfaces. They also explore the next frontier of agentic trading, from AI-assisted investing and personalized financial coaching to the possibility of having a portfolio manager in your pocket. Plus, Rishin discusses Solana's role in open, permissionless finance, the future of open-source AI, and what could emerge as AI, stablecoins, and blockchains converge.Timestamps00:00 Introduction00:36 What is overhyped in AI? 02:28 Solana's role in the Agentic Economy06:26 Getting started with Agentic Payments 07:48 Strategic collaboration with Google Cloud11:08 Merchant adoption on the platform14:50 The future vision of the agentic economy17:17 The future of commerce: Checkouts without human intervention?23:54 Agentic Trading: AI as a financial advisor and strategist29:39 The open-source AI dilemma: Capitalism vs. Geopolitics34:24 Integration of stablecoins in AI: Expectations for the next 12 months39:18 Final advice and vision for builders in the sector New episodes every week Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141Follow us Jacquelyn on X: /jacqmelinek Talking Tokens on X: /_talkingtokens Talking Tokens on Instagram: /_talkingtokens Follow Rishin Sharmahttps://www.linkedin.com/in/rishinsharmaThis episode is a part of the Solana Sessions campaign between Token Relations and the Talking Tokens podcast, diving into founders' journeys and startups building on Solana. Check out the accompanying newsletter on www.stratamedia.co/token-relations/solana  Today’s episode is sponsored by Anchorage Digital, America's first federally chartered digital asset bank and provider of regulated stablecoin issuance. To find out more, visit anchorage.comNote: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in the discussed content.
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  Equity Perps Explained | Can DeFi Really Handle Traditional Stocks? 14.08.2026 13dk

  Trading Wall Street stocks 24/7 in DeFi sounds like the ultimate financial unlock, but as Alexander Beaudry from our institutional research team points out, the reality is far more complex. In this episode, we dive into Alex's latest report, "Equity Perps Are Nothing Without Equity Spot," to explore why the infrastructure behind tokenized equities is still catching up to the hype. Alex breaks down the staggering 265% YTD growth in the tokenized spot equity market and explains why Equity Perpetual Futures (Perps) have become the most debated trend in DeFi. While crypto markets can predict TradFi pricing with 85% accuracy over weekends, Alex identifies the critical bottlenecks from centralized Oracle vulnerabilities to the $24M Ostiam exploit that continue to keep institutional capital on the sidelines. We discuss the market consensus on risk and what it will take for tokenized equities to move from a frontier trading tool to a cornerstone of global finance.Timestamps00:00 The Rise of Equity Perps01:15 What Are Equity Perpetual Futures?02:57 Where Equity Perps Work and Where They Fail04:40 The Biggest Risk With Equity Perps05:46 How Oracles Determine Equity Prices07:03 The Risk of Oracle Manipulation07:40 Why Arbitrageurs Matter for Healthy Markets09:22 The Problem With Tokenized Equities10:31 Can Tokenized Equities Become Truly 24/7?11:44 Why Equity Perps Could Expand Global Market Access12:26 Final ThoughtsCheck out the full report: Web: https://stratamedia.co/token-relations/article?slug=stratamedia-research-equity-perps-are-nothing-without-equity-spot-3faff8781eab4cf2X: https://x.com/TokenRelations/status/2088337441979539709?s=20LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/equity-perps-nothing-without-spot-stratamedia-zybheFollow Talking Tokenshttps://x.com/_TalkingTokens?lang=enhttps://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens-crypto-onchain-finance-investing/id1743669141https://talkingtokens.beehiiv.com/Follow Jacquelynhttps://x.com/jacqmelinek#RWA #Tokenization #DeFi #Crypto #EquityPerps #OndoFinance #Web3 #TalkingTokens #CryptoNews #WallStreet
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  Why DeFi Works Best When it Does the Least 13.08.2026 43dk

  In today's episode of Talking Tokens, Jacquelyn sits down with Adrian, who breaks down his journey from Goldman Sachs to building in DeFi. He reveals why traditional banks are secretly terrified of stablecoins, the brutal reality of why tokenizing real-world assets (RWAs) actually takes months, and why the safest smart contracts are often the "dumbest" ones. Timestamps: 00:10 Stablecoins, DeFi Risk & the Future of Finance00:47 Meet Adrian, Co-Founder of Steakhouse Financial01:16 From Goldman Sachs to DeFi02:15 Building a Better Financial System with MakerDAO03:41 How Mature Is DeFi Today?05:15 When Will Institutional Finance Move OnChain?06:15 Bringing Tokenized Assets OnChain with Grove07:25 What Does an OnChain Asset Manager Actually Do?08:50 Will Stablecoins Become the Future of Payments?10:47 Are Traditional Banks Ready for Stablecoins?13:23 Why Banks See Stablecoins as a Threat15:28 How Coinbase & Robinhood Evaluate DeFi Products17:40 Bringing Non-Crypto Companies OnChain19:06 Why DeFi Still Misunderstands Risk21:43 Why Simpler DeFi Is Safer23:57 Why DeFi Vaults Are Exploding27:16 Will the DeFi Vault Market Keep Expanding?28:42 How Big Can OnChain Credit Become?31:30 Could DeFi Vaults Replace Traditional Lending?32:55 Building DeFi Products for Institutions vs. Retail34:44 Grove, RWAs & the Future of OnChain Finance37:33 Why Crypto Needs Real-World Assets39:06 Building an OnChain Risk-Free Rate40:24 What the Next Generation Will Expect From Money42:16 Adrian Advice for BuildersToday’s episode is sponsored by Anchorage Digital, America's first federally chartered digital asset bank and provider of regulated stablecoin issuance. To find out more, visit anchorage.com This episode is also brought to you by Forgd. Visit its Market Maker Leaderboard on Token Relations here: www.stratamedia.co/token-relations/leaderboard Follow Talking Tokenshttps://x.com/_TalkingTokens?lang=enhttps://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens-crypto-onchain-finance-investing/id1743669141https://talkingtokens.beehiiv.com/Follow Jacquelynhttps://x.com/jacqmelinekNote: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.
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  What Wall Street Really Thinks About Tokenization 11.08.2026 49dk

  On today's episode of Talking Tokenization, Jacquelyn sits down with John D’Agostino (Head of Strategy at Coinbase Institutional) and Rebecca Rettig (COO & CLO at Jito Labs) for a masterclass on the real state of institutional crypto adoption. They discuss what it actually takes to bridge the gap between TradFi and Crypto, ranging from why Wall Street is actively resisting tokenization, to how perpetual contracts (perps) are secretly solving the pre-IPO liquidity crisis for companies like SpaceX, to why the crypto user experience desperately needs a "Venmo" moment.John and Rebecca also break down the surprising parallels between the current AI boom and crypto's early days, explaining why Artificial Intelligence ultimately needs blockchain to survive its hallucination problem. Finally, they share a contrarian take on how stablecoins might actually be the ultimate secret weapon for preserving U.S. dollar dominance globally.Timestamps:00:10 The Future of Tokenization00:40 What Is Tokenization?03:19 Why Traditional Finance Is Resisting Tokenization07:37 Perpetual Futures and the Crypto Advantage11:06 The Rise of Pre-IPO Perpetual Markets16:18 Who Is the Future Investor?19:47 Crypto vs. Blockchain: The Reputation Problem24:34 Why Are Crypto Products Still So Complicated?29:25 What Happens If the Clarity Act Passes?31:20 Can Crypto Grow Without Regulatory Clarity?35:24 AI and Crypto: Competitors or Partners?39:23 Can Blockchain Solve AI’s Trust Problem?41:55 Why Blockchain Adoption Is Inevitable45:05 Stablecoins, Cross-Border Payments & Global Markets47:20 What Will Crypto Look Like a Year From Now?49:52 Final Advice: Build Useful ThingsFollow Talking Tokens https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZhttps://podcasts.apple.com/no/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141?l=nbhttps://x.com/_TalkingTokens?lang=enThis episode is sponsored by Securitize, the proven leader in tokenized funds, equities, and private markets. Discover more at securitize.io. Follow Jacquelynhttps://x.com/JacqMelinekNote: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.
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  Stablecoins, RWAs & DeFi: What Institutions Actually Want 06.08.2026 28dk

  On today's Talking Tokens, Jacquelyn sits down with Jillian Friedman, Chief Operating Officer at Symbiotic, to talk about what it actually takes to make tokenization work at scale, ranging from why 94% of tokenized real-world assets are still bought directly from the issuer, to how Symbiotic's LiquidLane gives investors an instant exit from illiquid RWAs, to why she doesn't see CeFi and DeFi as opposing camps.Jillian Friedman breaks down why she thinks institutions are tokenizing the easiest assets first instead of the most useful ones, what actually makes an asset "digitally native," and her honest answer for what it really takes to get a risk committee to say yes.Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction to Jill Friedman and her background02:50 Why Jill transitioned from law to crypto and her early interest in Bitcoin03:32 The appeal of DeFi and Symbiotic's focus on both C-Fi and DeFi05:30 The future integration of centralized and decentralized finance06:56 How digital native assets differ from off-chain assets08:35 The spectrum of digital nativeness and tokenization challenges11:25 Market readiness and infrastructure needs for tokenized assets14:33 Long-term outlook: the inflection point for tokenization and DeFi17:42 Regulatory and risk considerations for institutional adoption21:24 LiquidLane: solving liquidity and exit challenges for RWAs27:34 Future of tokenized assets and market evolution28:40 Jill's advice for navigating the crypto spaceToday’s episode is sponsored by Anchorage Digital, America's first federally chartered digital asset bank and provider of regulated stablecoin issuance. To find out more, visit anchorage.com. You can subscribe to the podcast on Spotify, Apple or YouTube. If you enjoy the show, please leave a review — it really helps. Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TalkingTokens Follow us on X Jacquelyn: / jacqmelinek Talking Tokens: / _talkingtokens Follow us on Instagram / _talkingtokens Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.
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  Why Binance Wants to Replace Banks for Everyday Payments | Thomas Gregory, Binance 04.08.2026 44dk

  On today's Talking Tokens, Jacquelyn sits down with Thomas Gregory, VP of Payments at Binance, to talk about what it actually looks like to build a global payment infrastructure from the inside, ranging from QR code rollouts in Argentina to the Binance Card hitting the market across 20 countries and B-Stocks hitting $2 billion in trading volume in a single weekend. Thomas breaks down why he sees domestic payments in Latin America and Africa as the real unlock for the next wave of adoption, why crypto and fiat are becoming indistinguishable in Binance's super app vision, and why his ultimate benchmark for success is the day isn’t what you’d think it is.TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction to Binance's Payments Vision03:46 Lessons from Fintech Disruptors 06:52 Consumer Acceptance of Crypto Payments10:26 Hyper-Localization in Payment Solutions12:19 Metrics for Binance’s Payment Success and Regional Focus13:35 Binance Card: Flexibility and Usage17:00 The Future of Crypto as a Payment Medium26:57 Industry Milestones and Investor Demand36:55 Addressing Local Currency Preferences and Education39:10 The Road Ahead for Payments and User Adoption42:14 Parting AdviceToday’s episode is sponsored by Anchorage Digital, America's first federally chartered digital asset bank and provider of regulated stablecoin issuance. To find out more, visit anchorage.com. You can subscribe to the podcast on Spotify, Apple or YouTube. If you enjoy the show, please leave a review — it really helps. Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TalkingTokens Follow us on X Jacquelyn:   / jacqmelinek   Talking Tokens:   / _talkingtokens   Follow us on Instagram   / _talkingtokens  Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content. 
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  Strata Research Survey: What Five Industry Leaders Have to Say About Agentic Payments 03.08.2026 12dk

  On this edition of Strata Research's Analyst Insights, Jacquelyn sits down with Institutional Research Analyst Alex Beaudry to break down the results of Strata's first industry survey where they asked five leaders across the agentic payments space, including the CEOs of Alchemy and Anchorage and Circle's Chief Product and Technology Officer, who all weighed in on where it actually stands today. The consensus is pretty clear: institutions are adopting this first, not consumers, and the reason has less to do with the technology and more to do with the fact that most people still don't want an AI agent touching their money, which Alex points out is basically the perfect combination of the two things the general public fears most.TIMESTAMPS:0:01 Introduction to Strata Surveys1:22 Why Revisit Agentic Payments Now3:42 Institutional vs. Consumer Adoption7:22 What the Survey Responses Agreed vs Disagreed On9:59 Trust, Risk, and the Path to AdoptionResearch Link: https://www.token-relations.com/p/stratamedia-survey-agentic-payments You can subscribe to the podcast on Spotify, Apple or YouTube. If you enjoy the show, please leave a review — it really helps. Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TalkingTokens Follow us on X Jacquelyn:   / jacqmelinek   Talking Tokens:   / _talkingtokens   Follow us on Instagram   / _talkingtokens  Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content. 
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  Why Crypto Has a Brain Drain Problem | Dom & Phil Kwok 30.07.2026 48dk

  On today's Talking Tokens, Jacquelyn sits down with Dom & Phil Kwok, co-founders of EasyA, a platform that teaches developers and consumers how to actually build and use blockchain technology. The brothers also run some of the biggest hackathons in the space at events like Consensus Miami and Consensus Hong Kong. Dom & Phil explain why so much of crypto's top talent drifted to AI over the past few years, why they think the sentiment around crypto is starting to shift, and how their new Kickstart product is trying to do for funding what AI did for building. TIMESTAMPS:00:00 Sibling Entrepreneurs: The Journey Begins02:31 Identifying Market Gaps in Blockchain Education05:22 Trends in Consumer and Developer Interest09:24 The Shift from AI to Crypto: A New Era12:40 AI's Impact on the Workforce and Startups15:50 Long-Term Vision: Balancing Roadmaps and Market Cycles18:09 The Importance of Founder-Led Marketing23:25 Getting Started on Social Media24:38 Overcoming Fear of Posting26:47 The Impact of AI on Content Creation28:07 The Evolution of Startup Development31:55 The Role of AI in Lowering Barriers to Entry33:09 Bridging the Gap Between Wall Street and Crypto35:45 The Growing Interest in Crypto on Wall Street39:08 The Future of Tokenization and On-Chain Finance43:11 Advice for Navigating the Crypto LandscapeToday’s episode is sponsored by Anchorage Digital, America's first federally chartered digital asset bank and provider of regulated stablecoin issuance. To find out more, visit anchorage.com. You can subscribe to the podcast on Spotify, Apple or YouTube. If you enjoy the show, please leave a review — it really helps. Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TalkingTokens Follow us on X Jacquelyn:   / jacqmelinek   Talking Tokens:   / _talkingtokens   Follow us on Instagram   / _talkingtokens  Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.