This Week with EdSurge
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This Week with EdSurge is a weekly podcast that explores the human stories behind education, covering topics like artificial intelligence in classrooms, student well-being, policy changes, and the future of teaching. Hosted by Ira Apfel and EdSurge contributors, the show provides rigorous and empathetic journalism for educators, leaders, and curious listeners.
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Can an Algorithm Replace a Teacher’s Instinct? 01.07.2026 23minThis week, two teachers take a hard look at what happens when you hand a problem to a tool and trust it to solve that problem. David Webb, a school teacher based in Jakarta, India, spent a year vibe coding an AI-powered library app called LibraryAid and discovered exactly where the algorithm ends and the educator begins. Then, California high school teacher Gabe Nitro makes a counterintuitive argument: the phone pouches sweeping his district may be swallowing the very instructional time they were designed to protect.WHAT YOU’LL LEARNDavid Webb built LibraryAid, a personalized book recommendation app, using vibe coding techniques with no prior computer science background, and the tool now tracks approximately 30 factors, including student interests, reading history, and classroom topics, to generate personalized reading recommendations.One student reading two grade levels below placement made three times the average reading progress after the app matched him to a book series he loved, demonstrating both the power and the limits of algorithmic recommendation.A study from the National Bureau of Economic Research found that Yondr pouches had no statistically significant impact on standardized test scores for high schoolers in English, a finding that surprised even teachers who had adopted the pouches.Gabe Nitro argues that phone pouches consume up to 49 minutes of instructional time per school day in enforcement alone, and that the real distraction problem simply shifts to Chromebooks once phones are sealed away.STORIES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE1. Vibe Coding Sparked a Love of Reading in My Classroom by David Webb2. I’m a Teacher, and I’m Against Phone Pouches by Gabe NitroSTAY CONNECTEDSubscribe to EdSurge newsletters at www.edsurge.com/newsletters Find the latest education news at edsurge.com/news.Follow EdSurge on LinkedIn, X, Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram.HOST AND CONTRIBUTORSHost: Ira Apfel, Editorial Director, EdSurgeContributors:David Webb, International school teacher, Jakarta; creator of LibraryAidGabe Nitro, High school teacher, California
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Is TikTok Now a Teacher Training Tool? 24.06.2026 24minTwo educators are reckoning with who is really in charge: technology or the teacher. First, a teacher notices her students are quietly forming their professional knowledge on TikTok and decides to lean in rather than fight it. Then a high school engineering teacher builds an AI grading tool so efficient that it sent feedback to students without him ever reading it, and confronts what that actually means for his role in the classroom. Together, they raise urgent questions about judgment, accountability, and what teaching is really for.What You'll LearnPre-service teachers are forming their professional knowledge partly through TikTok and social media reels, including content from former teachers who left the profession, raising questions about how teacher prep programs should respond.Evi Wusk argues that the information gleaned from social media is already shaping how future teachers think, so the more productive move is to help them engage with it critically rather than dismiss or ignore it.Steven Swanson built a fully automated AI grading tool that sent feedback directly to students without his review, and after a student thanked him for words he never wrote, he rebuilt the tool to put himself back in the loop.Swanson describes specific assignment types where AI grading adds value versus where it falls short, including the risk of missing opportunities to learn who students actually are as people.Stories Mentioned in This EpisodeWhat TikTok Is Teaching Future Teachers That We Aren't by Evi WuskI Built an AI Grading Tool. Then a Student Thanked Me for Words I Didn't Write. by Steven SwansonUpcoming EventISTE+ASCD Live '26 in Orlando, FloridaStay ConnectedSubscribe to EdSurge newsletters at edsurge.comLatest education news at edsurge.com/newsFollow EdSurge on LinkedIn, X, Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, YouTubeHost & ContributorsHost: Ira Apfel, Editorial Director, EdSurgeGuests:Evi Wusk, Ed.D., teacher educator and author of What TikTok Is Teaching Future Teachers That We Aren'tSteven Swanson, high school engineering teacher and author of I Built an AI Grading Tool. Then a Student Thanked Me for Words I Didn't Write.
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Your Kids Know More About AI Than You Do 17.06.2026 23minSchools are racing to write AI policies, but what if the policy is not the first step? This week, we hear from Aleta Margolis, founder and president of the Center for Inspired Teaching, who argues that real progress starts with a conversation, not a rule. Then EdSurge editor-in-chief Sarah McKibben brings it home with what AI actually looks like at her kitchen table, with two middle schoolers navigating it in real time.What You'll LearnA new RAND American Youth Panel survey found that only about one in three students say their school has a school-wide AI policy, and Aleta Margolis of the Center for Inspired Teaching explains why co-creating guidelines with students leads to better outcomes than top-down rule-making.A recent NPR and Ipsos poll found that 54 percent of teachers say AI is making it harder for students to learn critical thinking skills, and nearly three in four believe its impact on education will exceed that of the internet or computers.Sarah McKibben describes the mix of productive and concerning AI use she sees with her own children, including a student using an AI humanizer app to avoid plagiarism detection when submitting AI-written essays.Both guests converge on the idea of productive struggle: the concern is not AI itself but whether students are learning to think with it rather than bypassing the thinking entirely.Stories Mentioned in This EpisodeWhat to Do About AI: Begin by Talking About It by Aleta MargolisNPR / Ipsos Poll: Teachers on AI and Critical ThinkingRAND American Youth Panel: Select FindingsUpcoming EventISTE+ASCD Live '26 in Orlando, FloridaStay ConnectedSubscribe to EdSurge newsletters at edsurge.comLatest education news at edsurge.com/newsFollow EdSurge:LinkedInXFacebookTikTokInstagramYouTubeHost & ContributorsHosted by Ira Apfel, Editorial Director, EdSurgeFeaturingAleta Margolis, Founder and President, Center for Inspired TeachingSarah McKibben, Editor-in-Chief, EdSurgeStay informed, stay curious.
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Recess, Screens, and Absenteeism 10.06.2026 19minSchools have been quietly chipping away at recess for nearly a decade, and a sweeping new report from the American Academy of Pediatrics says it is time to stop. Meanwhile, the federal government has issued a formal advisory on screen time and children, raising urgent questions about how schools, parents, and tech companies should respond. This week, EdSurge reporters Lauren Coffey and Nadia Tamez-Robledo bring both stories together around a single urgent question: what does it look like when kids get less real-world experience and more pressure?What You'll LearnThe American Academy of Pediatrics updated its recess guidelines for the first time since 2013, expanding its recommendations to include middle and high school students.One Massachusetts high school cut chronic absenteeism from 35 percent to 23 percent in a single year after introducing movement breaks, suggesting that belonging and physical activity can drive school attendance in meaningful ways.The screen time advisory issued by HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy calls for bell-to-bell phone bans, warning labels on apps, and the elimination of recommendation algorithms for children, but researchers caution that the evidence linking screen time to negative outcomes is correlation, not proven cause and effect.Experts warn that broad phone and screen restrictions could inadvertently affect students with IEPs and disabilities who rely on assistive devices, a tension the advisory acknowledges but does not fully resolve.Stories Mentioned in This EpisodeRecess Took a Break in Some Schools. A Push Is On to Bring It Back by Lauren CoffeySurgeon General Advisory Wants Kids to Live Beyond the Confines of Screens by Nadia Tamez-RobledoStay ConnectedSubscribe to EdSurge newsletters at edsurge.comLatest education news at edsurge.com/newsFollow EdSurge:LinkedInXFacebookTikTokInstagramHost & ContributorsHosted byIra Apfel, Editorial Director, EdSurgeFeaturingLauren Coffey, Reporter, EdSurgeNadia Tamez-Robledo, Reporter, EdSurgeStay informed, stay curious.
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AI Is in Schools. Teachers Are Not Ready. 03.06.2026 22minThree-quarters of school districts now have AI guidelines, up sharply from just a year ago, yet 82 percent of teachers say they have never received formal guidance on how to use AI in their work. EdSurge reporter Lauren Coffey breaks down the 2026 CoSN State of Ed Tech report and what it reveals about AI adoption, cybersecurity gaps, and edtech vetting inside K-12 districts. Then host Ira Apfel talks with Joseph South, chief innovation officer at ISTE+ASCD, about why teachers say they feel unprepared to bring AI into their classrooms and what it would take to change that.What You'll LearnWhy AI adoption in K-12 districts jumped from 54 percent in 2025 to 75 percent this year, and why most prefer local flexibility over state or federal mandates.Why cybersecurity remains many districts' top concern even as two-thirds lack the staff and budget to address it, and what the Canvas ransomware attack reveals about the real cost of that gap.What the Gallup and Walton Family Foundation data actually shows about the teacher guidance crisis: 82 percent of teachers have received no formal AI guidance, 34 percent have received no guidance at all, and 69 percent have received no guidance specifically on using AI for one-on-one instruction or tutoring.How districts in Long Beach, Gwinnett County, and Fairfax County are building transparency-first AI frameworks, and what the Lighthouse Schools model offers as a replicable path for districts that want to move without waiting for policy from above.Stories Mentioned in This EpisodeCoSN U.S. State of EdTech 2026 Report with coverage by Lauren CoffeyTeachers Say Lack of AI Guidance Is a Major Problem from Education Week featuring Joseph South, Chief Innovation Officer, ISTE+ASCDStay ConnectedSubscribe to EdSurge newsletters at edsurge.com/newslettersGet the latest education news at edsurge.com/newsFollow EdSurgeLinkedInXFacebookTikTokInstagramYouTubeHost and ContributorsHosted by Ira Apfel: Editorial Director, JournalismFeaturingLauren Coffey: Reporter, EdSurge (public policy, early childhood education, K-12 technology)Joseph South: Chief Innovation Officer, ISTE+ASCDStay informed, stay curious.
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How a Vacant School Building Became a Symbol of Loss, and Then Hope, for a Dying Small Town 14.01.2025 54minWhen the only school in Donora, Pennsylvania, closed a few years ago, it hit the town’s residents hard. Now the building may be the town’s best hope, as a community college considers setting up in the former school. A University of Pittsburgh professor spent three years documenting life in this fading town for an unusual podcast series that ran late last year. Education was a key theme. On this week's EdSurge Podcast, we talk to the professor about her takeaways for the role of education in the many forgotten small towns around the U.S.
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How AI Has Changed Student Cheating — And How to Respond 07.01.2025 58minOne long-time expert on preventing student cheating argues that understanding why students cheat is key to making adjustments in teaching to prevent cheating with AI. It's the argument of Tricia Bertram Gallant, a longtime expert in academic integrity who is director of the Academic Integrity Office at the University of California San Diego who co-wrote a new book, “The Opposite of Cheating: Teaching for Integrity in the Age of AI. See show notes at EdSurge.com: https://www.edsurge.com/news/2025-01-07-ai-has-changed-student-cheating-but-strategies-to-stop-it-remain-consistent
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Inside the Push to Bring AI Literacy to Schools and Colleges (Encore Episode) 10.12.2024 55minThere’s a growing push to add AI literacy as a subject in schools and colleges. But what exactly is AI literacy, and can educators promote curiosity about the subject amid their own concerns, and in some cases fear, around ChatGPT and other generative AI? This episode originally ran in January 2024, and was the most-listened-to episode of the year.
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What We Learned About Teaching and Creativity By Commissioning a New Podcast Theme Song 03.12.2024 43minWe found the theme song for the EdSurge Podcast on a free music library years ago, after spending hours clicking around searching for the right sound. The music turns out to have an unusual origin story, as we learned when we tracked down the artist this week for a conversation about the intersection of music, creativity and teaching.
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Want To Find Highly-Engaged Students at 4-Year Colleges? Look At Transfer Students. 19.11.2024 34minWhen students transfer from community colleges to four-year universities, there’s often culture shock. But those transfers are often more motivated and engaged in the classroom than students who arrive straight from high school, experts say. Hear firsthand from a student in his 30s who recently transferred from a two-year college to the University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa.
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Should Students Chat With AI Versions of Historical Figures? 08.11.2024 59minA new documentary project about Sacagawea, the young woman from the Shoshone tribe who helped guide the Lewis and Clark Expedition back in 1804, lets students chat with an animated chatbot of her. Some educators worry about how faithfully such chatbots can represent history, or whether they might keep students from digging into documents to form their own analysis.
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The Effects of Smartwatches on Kids, Schools and Families 04.11.2024 47minShould kids wear smartwatches? Companies market the wearable devices to kids as young as 4 years old, while digital media experts and educators worry about potential downsides of what some see as an “electronic umbilical cord.” On the EdSurge Podcast this week, we talk with our reporter who spent months researching the issue, Emily Tate Sullivan, and hear her read the full story.
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What Can AI Chatbots Teach Us About How Humans Learn? 27.10.2024 57minChatGPT and other chatbots are modeled after how the human brain works. And one of the pioneers of the technology, Terrence Sejnowski, says that what AI has made clear is that we don’t really understand what it means for the human brain to “understand” something.
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How Are School Smartphone Bans Going? 21.10.2024 37minMany school districts and states have enacted new restrictions on smartphones in classrooms during instructional time, in the name of increasing student engagement and counteracting the negative effects that social media has on youth mental health. We checked in with two teachers and an administrator to hear how the new rules are playing out.
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How the Job Market Has Changed for College Grads 13.10.2024 32minCollege grads are facing a tough job market these days, with experts saying the college degree holds less of a premium in getting hired than in the past. And as it gets easier to apply to jobs online, applicants say they are getting ghosted by employers or applying to hundreds of jobs with little return. How can colleges respond?
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Looking Back on the Long, Bumpy Rise of Online College Courses 06.10.2024 44minWhen the web was new back in the late 1990s, Robert Ubell was among those pushing for its adoption to help students who couldn’t get to a campus — over the objections of professors who thought it would always be sub-par. The online learning pioneer says the history of online’s growth offers lessons for those trying teaching innovations today.
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Inside an Effort to Build an AI Assistant for Designing Course Materials 29.09.2024 1h 4minOver the past few months, a group of educators has been designing and testing a system that uses ChatGPT to serve as an assistant to instructors as they build courses for students. One key point of the series of design workshops is to learn how educators can make the most effective uses of AI, and where it’s less helpful.
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Rebooting Internet Access Programs to Address the ‘Homework Gap’ 23.09.2024 1h 2minAs pandemic relief funds run out — which helped many students connect to the internet to keep up with their studies — there’s a danger that the “homework gap” could suddenly widen, argues Nicol Turner Lee, director of the Brookings Institution’s Center for Technology Innovation, in a new book.
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How Rising Higher Ed Costs Change Student Choices. (Doubting College, Ep. 6) 17.09.2024 39minThe high cost of college is changing how high schoolers think about whether or not to go. A new book, “Rethinking College,” argues for changing the narrative around higher education to be more welcoming to gap years, apprenticeships and other alternatives to college at a time where a degree is so expensive that students worry about its value.
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How a Returning College Student Advocated to Improve a Fledgling Online Program 10.09.2024 33minA student who was just a few classes shy of graduating from Morehouse College was excited to try its new online program designed for students trying to finish their degrees. It turned out to be a more challenging process than he expected. Here’s how he helped to improve the program for himself and future students.
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