The Story of Mauritius: Empire, Trade, and Island Identity — Fexingo History
Mauritius, a small volcanic island in the Indian Ocean, became a crossroads of empire from the 16th century onward. The podcast explores the brutal colonial ambitions of the Portuguese, Dutch, French, and British, and their lasting impact on the island's landscape and people. Lucas and Luna guide listeners through the extinction of the dodo, the sugar boom, the struggle for control of the Indian Ocean, and the legacy of French governor Mahé de Labourdonnais. They also delve into the Maroon communities, the abolition of slavery, the arrival of indentured workers from India, and the birth of a unique multicultural society.
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Mauritius: The Secret War for Chagos 05.10.2026 11pThis episode explores the complex geopolitical maneuvering behind the 1965 separation of the Chagos Archipelago from Mauritius. We examine the roles of Sir Seewoosagur Ramgoolam, Harold Macmillan, and Dean Rusk in this pivotal moment. The narrative focuses on the strategic importance of Diego Garcia to the United States and the British government's insistence on maintaining military bases there. We also look at the immediate impact on the islanders and the legal and moral questions that have persisted for decades. Listeners will hear about the specific agreements signed, the pressure applied by Western powers, and the initial reactions within the Mauritian political sphere. This is a story of sovereignty, sacrifice, and the long shadow of colonial power structures. #ChagosArchipelago #DiegoGarcia #SeewoosagurRamgoolam #HaroldMacmillan #DeanRusk #BritishIndianOceanTerritory #MauritiusHistory #Decolonization #ColdWarGeopolitics #Chagossians #USMilitaryBase #InternationalLaw #PostColonialAfrica #IslandSovereignty #1965Agreement #BritishEmpire #FexingoHistory #History Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
The 1835 Emancipation and the Girment System 04.10.2026 9pAfter the abolition of slavery in 1835, Mauritius faced a labor crisis that reshaped its demographic and cultural landscape. This episode explores the transition from the Code Noir to the indentured labor system known as girmit. We examine the role of the sirdar, the experiences of the first Indian arrivals, and the complex legal frameworks that governed their lives. Lucas and Luna discuss how this shift created the multicultural identity of modern Mauritius, touching on figures like Subramania Pillai and the political movements that followed. #MauritiusHistory #GirmitSystem #IndenturedLabor #IndianDiaspora #CodeNoirAbolition #SirdarRole #SubramaniaPillai #PortLouisHistory #EastAfricanTrade #ColonialLabor #KreolMorisien #BritishMauritius #Emancipation1835 #IndoMauritianCulture #FexingoHistory #HistoryPodcast #GlobalMigration #PostSlavery Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
Mauritius' Secret Indian Rebellion: The Sétoucal Revolt 03.10.2026 8pIn this episode, we explore a pivotal but often overlooked moment in Mauritian history: the 1834 rebellion of the Sétoucal indentured laborers. Long before the formal abolition of slavery in 1835, thousands of Indian workers, known as girmitiyas, arrived on Île de France under brutal conditions. We focus on the leadership of Subramania Pillai and the coordinated uprising at the Caudan Valley sugar plantations. This event challenged the British colonial administration's assumption that Indian labor would be more docile than African slaves. Through the lens of this revolt, we examine how cultural solidarity, religious identity, and sheer desperation forged a new political consciousness among the working class. You will hear about the specific grievances regarding wages, the role of the sirdar system, and the swift, violent suppression by Governor Sir William Gomm. This story reveals the deep roots of resistance in Mauritius and sets the stage for the complex social fabric of the island today. #SétoucalRevolt #SubramaniaPillai #Girmitiyas #MauritiusHistory #IndenturedLabor #ColonialResistance #SugarPlantations #BritishEmpire #IndianDiaspora #LeMorneBrabant #PortLouis #SirWilliamGomm #1834Rebellion #CaudanValley #FexingoHistory #EastAfrica #HistoryPodcast #SocialJustice Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
Mauritius' Secret Resistance: The Maroon Wars 02.10.2026 5pWhile earlier episodes explored the botanical wars and the emancipation experiments of Mauritius, this episode uncovers the brutal reality of marronnage—the escape of enslaved people to the island’s rugged interior. We focus on Le Morne Brabant as a sanctuary and the subsequent military campaigns waged by colonial forces against these maroon communities. Through the lens of figures like François le Noir and the relentless pursuit by Captain Caillot, we examine how geography shaped resistance and how the French colonial administration struggled to contain the growing autonomy of escaped slaves. This narrative moves beyond the plantation economy to highlight the agency of those who fled into the mountains, forging independent societies in plain sight. Listeners will encounter specific details about the terrain, the tactics of both pursuers and pursued, and the cultural legacy that endures in the silhouette of the mountain today. #MaroonResistance #LeMorneBrabant #FrançoisleNoir #CaptainCaillot #Marronnage #SlaveryHistory #MauritiusHistory #ColonialMilitary #EastAfricaHistory #FrenchColonialism #IslandSanctuary #SlaveRebellion #FexingoHistory #HistoryPodcast #IndianOcean #ColonialWars #ResistanceMovements #HistoricalMemory Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
The Great Dodo Extinction: Captain Caillot's Final Hunt 01.10.2026 7pWe often think of the dodo’s extinction as a slow, accidental fading, but the final chapter was actually written in blood and gunpowder by a specific man named Captain Caillot. In this episode, we step away from the botanical gardens and sugar plantations to focus on the year 1681, when the last known population of Raphus cucullatus was wiped out in the rugged terrain of Le Morne Brabant. We explore how the Dutch East India Company’s initial fascination with the bird turned into brutal slaughter for food and sport, and how the arrival of European predators like rats and pigs accelerated the disaster long before humans pulled the trigger. Through the journal entries of François Leguat and the military records of Captain Caillot, we reconstruct the precise moment the species vanished, challenging the myth that the dodo died out immediately after Dutch arrival. Instead, we see a complex interplay of ecological collapse and human indifference that erased an icon forever. #Dodo #Mauritius #CaptainCaillot #LeMorneBrabant #Raphuscucullatus #Extinction #DutchEastIndiaCompany #FrançoisLeguat #1681 #ColonialEcology #IslandBiology #MarineHistory #EastAfrica #FexingoHistory #HistoryPodcast #NaturalHistory #SpeciesLoss #IndianOcean Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
The Dodo's Last Stand: Extinction and Empire in Mauritius 30.09.2026 6pWe trace the tragic final days of the dodo, focusing on Captain Caillot’s 1681 expedition to Le Morne Brabant and the myth that these birds simply chose death over captivity. While popular culture remembers the dodo as a clumsy joke, historical accounts from sailors like François Leguat reveal a bird that was actually intelligent, curious, and deeply adapted to its island home. We examine how the introduction of invasive species—rats, pigs, and monkeys by Dutch and French settlers—decimated their ground nests long before human hunters played a significant role. This episode explores the ecological collapse of Île de France through the lens of extinction, looking at the specific interactions between colonial military campaigns and the fragile ecosystem of the late seventeenth century. #Dodo #LeMorneBrabant #CaptainCaillot #ExtinctionEvent #MauritiusHistory #ÎledeFrance #FrançoisLeguat #InvasiveSpecies #ColonialEcology #DutchEastIndiaCompany #FrenchColonialism #EndemicSpecies #RatPopulation #PigFarming #MonkeyThieves #1681Expedition #EastAfricaHistory #History Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
The Chagossians: Displaced from Their Home 29.09.2026 6pIn this episode of the Fexingo History podcast, Lucas and Luna explore the complex and painful history of the Chagos Archipelago separation in 1965. While earlier episodes covered the spice gardens and sugar plantations of Mauritius, we now turn to the strategic geopolitical maneuvering that led to the expulsion of the Chagossian people. We examine how the British government coerced Prime Minister Sir Seewoosagur Ramgoolam into detaching Diego Garcia for a US military base, effectively erasing an entire community from the map. The conversation details the forced relocation to Mauritius and the Seychelles, the broken promises of compensation, and the enduring legal battles that continue today. Through specific accounts of the displacement and the resilience of the diaspora, we uncover how a remote island chain became a pawn in Cold War politics, leaving behind a legacy of displacement that challenges our understanding of post-colonial sovereignty. #ChagosArchipelago #DiegoGarcia #MauritiusHistory #BritishIndianOceanTerritory #Chagossians #SeewoosagurRamgoolam #ColdWarHistory #ColonialDisplacement #IslandIdentity #PostColonialPolitics #FexingoHistory #EastAfrica #IndianOcean #HumanRights #Geopolitics #RefugeeCrisis #LegalBattle #HistoryPodcast Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
Mauritius' Lost Maroon Wars and Le Morne's Siege 28.09.2026 6pWhile previous episodes have touched on the Code Noir and the general concept of marronnage, this episode dives into the specific military history of the Maroon communities in Mauritius. We explore how escaped slaves built fortified settlements in the rugged interior, particularly around Le Morne Brabant, and turned the island’s geography against colonial forces. Lucas and Luna examine the British siege of 1835, the role of François le Noir, and the complex negotiations that led to the emancipation of those who had already freed themselves. This is a story of tactical resistance, survival, and the moment the state was forced to recognize the sovereignty of its own runaways. #LeMorneBrabant #MaroonWars #FrançoisleNoir #MauritiusHistory #SlaveResistance #ColonialMilitary #EastAfricaHistory #IndianOceanTrade #BritishEmpire #Emancipation1835 #CreoleCulture #IslandGeography #FexingoHistory #HistoryPodcast #PostColonialStudies #SlaveryAndFreedom #MauritiusHeritage #MaroonSociety Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
Mauritius 1965: The Chagos Archipelago Separation 27.09.2026 5pIn 1965, as Mauritius prepared for independence from Britain, a controversial decision was made to detach the Chagos Archipelago to create the British Indian Ocean Territory. This episode explores the geopolitical pressures of the Cold War, the role of UK Prime Minister Harold Macmillan and US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, and the complex negotiations that led to the separation. We examine the legal arguments used at the time, the displacement of the Chagossian people, and how this act shaped modern debates on self-determination and colonial legacy. Listeners will encounter key figures like Sir Seewoosagur Ramgoolam and learn about the strategic importance of Diego Garcia. Through the voices of Lucas and Luna, we unpack the tension between immediate independence and long-term sovereignty, offering a nuanced look at one of the most disputed territorial separations in recent history. #ChagosArchipelago #DiegoGarcia #MauritiusIndependence #BritishIndianOceanTerritory #Chagossians #ColonialLegacy #ColdWarPolitics #HaroldMacmillan #DeanRusk #SirSeewoosagurRamgoolam #SelfDetermination #PostColonialAfrica #Geopolitics #IslandIdentity #LegalDispute #IndianOcean #FexingoHistory #History Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
Mauritius: The Great Escape of the Maroons 26.09.2026 6pWhile earlier episodes explored the botanical wars and the sugar economy, this episode turns to the rugged interior of Le Morne Brabant. We examine the lives of the marrons—escaped slaves who carved out a free society in the volcanic peaks during the late eighteenth century. Through the lens of François le Noir and the legend of the final stand in 1803, we explore how geography shaped resistance. Lucas and Luna discuss the strategic advantages of the mountain, the French colonial panic over these communities, and the enduring cultural memory of freedom that defines modern Mauritius today. #LeMorneBrabant #marronnage #FrançoisleNoir #CodeNoir #ÎledeFrance #CompagnieDesIndes #KreolMorisien #MauritiusHistory #SlaveryResistance #EastAfricaHistory #FrenchColonialism #VolcanicGeography #FreedomFighters #IndianOceanTrade #HistoricalLegend #Archaeology #FexingoHistory #History Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
The Great Fire of Port Louis: A Colonial Catastrophe 25.09.2026 7pIn this episode, we trace the devastating Great Fire of Port Louis in July 1835, a disaster that nearly wiped out Mauritius’ capital just as emancipation was taking hold. We explore how a single spark in a warehouse owned by the Franco-Mauritian merchant Jean-Baptiste de la Plaine ignited a conflagration that consumed over two hundred buildings, including the colonial courthouse and the main hospital. Lucas and Luna examine the unique architecture of the time—wooden shutters, thatched roofs, and narrow streets—that turned a manageable blaze into an unstoppable inferno. The conversation delves into the chaotic aftermath, where looting and martial law clashed with the fragile peace of the newly freed population. We also look at the surprising role of the Chinese community, led by architect Lim Fong, in rebuilding the city’s infrastructure, creating a new urban landscape that blended European planning with Asian craftsmanship. This story reveals how tragedy forced a reinvention of Mauritian identity, moving away from the rigid French colonial order toward a more complex, multicultural reality. #GreatFireOfPortLouis #MauritiusHistory #JeanBaptistedelaPlaine #LimFong #1835Emancipation #FrancoMauritian #PortLouisArchitecture #ColonialDisaster #CreoleHistory #IndianOceanTrade #FrenchColonialism #ChineseMauritians #UrbanPlanning #MartialLaw #KreolMorisien #EastAfricaHistory #HistoryPodcast #FexingoHistory Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
Mauritius’ Forgotten Labor: The Girmit System Explained 24.09.2026 6pWhile we’ve traced the French botanical gardens and the sugar plantations, this episode turns to the human machinery that sustained them. After abolition in 1835, Mauritius faced a labor crisis that led to the introduction of indentured workers from India under the girmit system. We explore how sirdars recruited families, the brutal conditions aboard ships like the William Pitt, and the cultural resilience that allowed Bhojpuri and Hindi traditions to take root in Port Louis. This is a story of forced migration, broken promises, and the quiet endurance of those who built modern Mauritius from scratch. #GirmitSystem #IndenturedLabor #MauritiusHistory #IndianDiaspora #BhojpuriCulture #PortLouis #PostEmancipation #SirdarRecruitment #WilliamPittShip #SugarPlantations #EastAfricaHistory #ColonialEconomics #FexingoHistory #HistoryPodcast #MauritianIdentity #IndoMauritian #19thCenturyMigration #HistoricalJustice Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
Mauritius' Chinese Architects: Building Port Louis 23.09.2026 8pWhile Pierre Poivre’s botanical gardens and the sugar plantations dominate the narrative of French Mauritius, a quieter force shaped the island’s urban landscape. This episode explores the arrival of Cantonese and Hakka artisans in the late eighteenth century, who were brought not as laborers but as skilled craftsmen to build Port Louis. We trace how these Chinese migrants influenced the architecture of the colonial capital, introducing techniques for brickmaking, masonry, and roof tiling that diverged sharply from European styles. Through the lens of figures like the anonymous master builders of the Place d'Armes and the early government houses, we uncover a layer of cultural hybridity often overlooked in standard histories. The conversation examines their legal status under the Code Noir, their integration into the Creole community, and the enduring legacy of their craftsmanship in the stone walls that still stand today. By focusing on the hands that laid the bricks rather than just the minds that planned the trade routes, we reveal a more complex portrait of imperial ambition and local adaptation. #MauritiusHistory #PortLouisArchitecture #ChineseMigrants #CantoneseArtisans #HakkaCommunity #FrenchColonialEra #IslandIdentity #UrbanHistory #MasonryCraft #CodeNoir #CompagnieDesIndes #MahéDeLabourdonnais #CreoleCulture #EastAfricaHistory #IndianOceanTrade #ArchitecturalHeritage #FexingoHistory #History Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
Mauritius' Secret Silk Road and Botanical Wars 22.09.2026 9pWhile previous episodes explored the spice trade and sugar plantations, Episode 239 uncovers a lesser-known chapter: Pierre Poivre’s aggressive botanical espionage in the 1760s and 1770s. We trace how the French intendant of Île de France smuggled nutmeg and clove cuttings from the Dutch-held Banda Islands and Ceylon, defying VOC monopolies to establish Mauritius as the 'Garden of the Indian Ocean.' The conversation details specific techniques used to conceal seeds in hollow cane and false bottoms, the role of local intermediaries like François Caron, and the diplomatic tensions with the Dutch East India Company. We also examine how these botanical gardens evolved into centers of scientific knowledge, influencing agriculture across Madagascar and Réunion. Listeners will discover the intricate network of sailors, botanists, and traders who turned Mauritius into a hub of imperial rivalry, far beyond just a naval base or slave port. This episode highlights the quiet but violent struggle for agricultural supremacy that shaped the island's early modern identity. #PierrePoivre #ÎleDeFrance #CompagnieDesIndes #BotanicalEspionage #NutmegSmuggling #DutchEastIndiaCompany #VOC #CeylonCinnamon #BandaIslands #JardinDeLÉtat #FrançoisCaron #MahéDeLabourdonnais #MauritiusHistory #IndianOceanTrade #ColonialAgriculture #SpiceWars #FexingoHistory #History Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
Mauritius' Forgotten Indian Architects 21.09.2026 9pThis episode explores the often-overlooked contribution of Chinese and Cantonese immigrants to the urban development of Port Louis during the French colonial era. While much attention has been paid to French governors like Mahé de Labourdonnais and botanical experiments by Pierre Poivre, the physical layout of the capital was heavily influenced by artisans from Guangdong province. We examine how these 'coolies' and merchants integrated into society, their role in constructing key landmarks like the Place des Armes, and how their architectural styles blended with French colonial aesthetics. The narrative highlights the specific techniques they brought from southern China, the challenges they faced under the Code Noir, and the lasting legacy of their work in today’s Mauritian identity. This story moves beyond the plantation economy to look at the city builders who shaped the streets we walk today. #MauritiusHistory #PortLouis #ChineseMigrants #CantoneseCulture #FrenchColonialism #MahédeLabourdonnais #PlaceDesArmes #GuangdongProvince #UrbanDevelopment #CodeNoir #FexingoHistory #IndianOceanTrade #ArchitecturalHeritage #CreoleIdentity #HistoricalArchitecture #EastAfricaHistory #CompagnieDesIndes #HistoryPodcast Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
The Ghost Ships of Mauritius: The 1835 Emancipation 20.09.2026 12pOn February 1, 1835, the French colony of Île de France, later known as Mauritius, witnessed one of the earliest and most significant abolitions of slavery in the world. This episode explores the complex political maneuvering behind the 'Great Emigration,' where former slaveholders received substantial compensation from the British Crown while the newly freed population faced immediate economic uncertainty. We examine the role of Governor Henry Pottinger, the fierce resistance of the Franco-Mauritian planter class led by figures like Adrien d'Épinay, and the surprising legal battles that delayed full freedom until 1839. Through the eyes of sirdars and girmitiyas, we uncover how this early emancipation experiment shaped the island's unique creole identity and set the stage for the indentured labor system that would follow. #MauritiusHistory #Emancipation1835 #IsleDeFrance #HenryPottinger #AdrienDEpinay #FrancoMauritian #SlaveCompensation #BritishColonialism #CreoleIdentity #Sirdar #Girmitiyas #CodeNoir #PlantationEconomy #IndianOceanTrade #AbolitionMovement #EastAfricaHistory #FexingoHistory #History Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
Mauritius Port Louis: The Slave Market and Urban Roots 19.09.2026 8pWhile earlier episodes explored the botanical gardens of Pierre Poivre and the rebellions at Le Morne, this episode shifts focus to the beating heart of colonial Mauritius: Port Louis. We trace the transformation of a humble fishing village into the strategic capital known as Île de France under French rule. Lucas walks us through the layout of the Place d'Armes, the rise of the Franco-Mauritian merchant class, and the grim reality of the slave markets that fueled the island's economy. Luna asks about the daily rhythms of the port and how the architecture reflected the rigid social hierarchies of the time. Together, they examine specific figures like Mahé de Labourdonnais and Étienne de Fauconnet, who turned this coastal settlement into a naval hub and a center for the Indian Ocean trade network. This is a story of urban planning, economic ambition, and the human cost embedded in every cobblestone of the capital. #PortLouis #MauritiusHistory #IleDeFrance #MahéDeLabourdonnais #ColonialArchitecture #SlaveTrade #FrancoMauritian #IndianOceanTrade #PlaceDArmes #CompagnieDesIndes #ÉtienneDeFauconnet #UrbanHistory #EastAfricaHistory #CreoleCulture #FrenchColonialism #MauritiusHeritage #PortLouisMarket #FexingoHistory Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
Mauritius' Forgotten Chinese Architects 18.09.2026 6pWhile French colonial history dominates the narrative of Mauritius, a quiet but profound influence shaped its urban landscape: the Chinese indentured laborers who arrived in the late nineteenth century. This episode explores how these workers, primarily from Guangdong province, transformed Port Louis from a rigid military outpost into a vibrant commercial hub through their mastery of brickmaking, carpentry, and architecture. We follow the story of specific master builders who designed iconic structures like the former customs house and private residences that still stand today, blending Cantonese techniques with local materials. Lucas and Luna examine the legal frameworks that brought these men to the island, the community they built in neighborhoods like Place d'Armes, and how their craftsmanship became indelibly woven into Mauritian identity. The conversation also touches on the later migration waves, the persistence of Hakka and Cantonese dialects in everyday speech, and the enduring legacy of Chinese-Mauritian culture in food, religion, and business. By focusing on the hands that built the city rather than just the planters who owned the land, we uncover a layer of history often overlooked in favor of sugar and slavery narratives. #MauritiusHistory #ChineseIndenture #PortLouisArchitecture #CantoneseCulture #ColonialEconomics #IndigenousCraftsmanship #HakkaDiaspora #UrbanDevelopment #FrenchMauritius #19thCenturyMigration #Brickmaking #CustomsHouse #PlaceDesArmes #GuangdongProvince #CreoleSociety #TradeRoutes #FexingoHistory #History Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
Mauritius' Hidden Spice War: Pierre Poivre's Secret Garden 17.09.2026 8pWhile previous episodes covered the brutal sugar economy and the dodo’s extinction, this episode uncovers a quieter, intellectual war fought by French botanist Pierre Poivre in the 1750s. As the Intendant of Île de France, Poivre waged a covert campaign against the Dutch VOC monopoly on nutmeg and cloves, smuggling seeds from the Banda Islands into his secret garden at Jardin de l'État. We explore how he used enslaved laborers and colonial networks to establish Mauritius as a botanical hub, challenging imperial trade laws and reshaping the island’s ecological landscape long before the sugar plantations took over. #PierrePoivre #JardinDeEtat #MauritiusHistory #SpiceTrade #DutchVOC #ColonialBotany #ÎleDeFrance #NutmegMonopoly #FrenchEastIndiaCompany #PlantationSlavery #BotanicalEspionage #BandaIslands #IndianOceanTrade #FexingoHistory #HistoryPodcast #MauritiusCulture #EcologicalHistory #ImperialConflict Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo -
Mauritius' Cinnamon Monopoly: Pierre Poivre's Secret Garden 16.09.2026 10pWhile previous episodes explored the brutality of slavery and the rise of sugar, this episode uncovers the quiet, botanical warfare waged by Pierre Poivre in the 1760s. As Governor of Île de France, Poivre realized that the Dutch East India Company held a stranglehold on the global spice trade through their monopoly on cinnamon from Ceylon. He launched a daring mission to smuggle cinnamon seeds out of Dutch-controlled territory and establish them in the Jardin de l'État in Port Louis. This conversation details how he used French naval vessels, bribed officials, and exploited the chaotic politics of the Indian Ocean to break the Dutch grip. We look at the specific mechanics of his smuggling network, the role of the Compagnie des Indes in funding these risky expeditions, and how the success of his botanical garden transformed Mauritius into a crucial hub for imperial botany. It is a story of scientific curiosity weaponized for economic power, revealing how a single plant could shift the balance of trade between European empires. #PierrePoivre #CinnamonMonopoly #JardinDeLEtat #IleDeFrance #CompagnieDesIndes #DutchEastIndiaCompany #BotanicalEspionage #PortLouis #SpiceTrade #ImperialHistory #ColonialMauritius #CeylonCinnamon #FrenchEmpire #IndianOcean #PlantSmuggling #EconomicHistory #FexingoHistory #History Keep every episode free: buymeacoffee.com/fexingo
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