Starter Story

Starter Story

Pat Walls
Країна Сполучені Штати
Мова EN
Епізодів 60
Останній 16.08.2026

Starter Story is a podcast that explores how real people build real businesses. Each episode features interviews with founders who share the actual numbers, mistakes, and strategies that helped them succeed. The show covers a wide range of entrepreneurs, from app builders to bootstrapped SaaS founders and agency owners. New episodes are released weekly.

Епізоди

  • I Spent 24 Hours With iOS Millionaires 16.08.2026 13хв
    I traveled to New York to spend 24 hours with the guys who built and sold Cal AI for millions. The video answers one main question: now that AI lets anyone build an app, is it still possible to build a successful one in 2026? Along the way, we talked about what it was like to build a company with your friends, and what they're doing now that they've sold. *Free iOS Bootcamp:* https://clickhubspot.com/bqt8 Follow Blake: https://x.com/blakeandersonw Follow Zach: https://x.com/zach_yadegari Cal AI: https://calai.app/ 🔔 Follow the Second Channel:  @StarterStoryBuild  🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 iOS Millionaires 00:01:20 What’s your story? 00:02:24 Numbers behind Cal AI 00:02:48 Meet the other co-founders 00:03:36 What was it like to work together? 00:03:59 Did you know it’d be successful? 00:04:48 Becoming co-founders 00:05:38 Managing conflict and trust 00:06:58 Build your own iOS app 00:07:39 Opportunity in apps in 2026 00:08:32 Does copying apps still work? 00:09:15 Advice for building apps 00:10:00 NYC office tour 00:10:25 What did it feel like to sell Cal AI? 00:10:58 The game of entrepreneurship 00:11:42 What are you working on now? 00:12:46 Final thoughts from Pat This video is an educational case study of this founder’s experience. It is not financial advice and does not guarantee any income or results. Every business is different and your results may vary.
  • I Copied A Huge App. Now I Make $80K/Month 09.08.2026 13хв
    Tomer took one of the most successful apps in the world and built it for his local market. Today, just 12 months after launching, he's already doing over $80K/month. This video breaks down his playbook for reverse-engineering a proven app idea and building your own. *iOS App Ideas:* http://go.starterstory.com/lp-test-3-ios-app-ideas-description Follow Tomer: https://twitter.com/tomercn Check Cal Buddy: https://calbuddy.co.il/ 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 You don’t need an original idea 00:01:04 What’s your story? 00:01:38 What’s the app? 00:02:15 Founder background 00:03:03 Build process 00:04:01 Finding the app idea 00:04:43 More app ideas! 00:05:32 App differentiation 00:06:40 Growth and marketing 00:08:00 Influencer strategy 00:09:05 Partnership breakdown 00:09:54 Tech stack 00:10:24 Final advice 00:11:05 Pat and Gus reflections: you don’t need a new idea! This video is an educational case study of this founder’s experience. It is not financial advice and does not guarantee any income or results. Every business is different and your results may vary.
  • How I Work: $40K/Month Solopreneur 02.08.2026 10хв
    Over the past few years, Jack Friks has completely changed his life through bootstrapping and building apps on the internet. In this video, we do a deep into how he works: how he spends his time, finds ideas, and his approach to work that viewers can take and use in their daily life. *Get our free $1M Solopreneur MVP guide:* https://clickhubspot.com/dg4j Follow Jack: https://twitter.com/jackfriks Check out his projects: https://www.jackfriks.com/ 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 Meet Jack Friks 00:00:32 Morning routine 00:01:19 Doing his best work 00:01:47 Working in sprints 00:02:44 Work routine 00:03:33 Stress, anxiety, and work 00:04:39 Finding ideas 00:05:29 Lessons learned 00:06:57 Evening routine 00:08:34 Number 1 piece of advice for builders 00:08:51 Keep going!
  • $18K/Month From This Ridiculously Simple App Idea 26.07.2026 15хв
    Ryan is a former product designer who quit his job to finally build his own app. With the help of AI coding tools, the first app he ever built hit $18K/month. But here's the crazy part... this type of app has been built hundreds of times. Why was his successful? In this video, we will dive into the simple app he built, how he got his first users, and his advice on how to pick winning app ideas. *Free: iOS Bootcamp:* http://go.starterstory.com/lp-test-2-ios-bootcamp-description Follow Ryan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanqyao/ Check out Cat on Chair: https://catonchair.app/en/ 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters Chapters 00:00:00 I love niche apps 00:00:50 What’s your story? 00:01:19 App breakdown and data 00:02:46 Ryan’s background 00:03:20 Simple apps win 00:03:54 Design and AI 00:04:10 Build timeline 00:05:35 Target customers 00:06:16 Tech stack 00:06:48 Finding the app idea 00:08:15 Why does this app work? 00:09:47 Building a hand-crafted app 00:10:19 How to build cool, unique apps 00:11:11 Cat on Chair Demo 00:12:33 Final advice 00:13:20 Pat and Gus reflections: building unique apps This video is an educational case study of this founder’s experience. It is not financial advice and does not guarantee any income or results. Every business is different and your results may vary.
  • This Stupidly Simple App Makes $100K/Month 19.07.2026 17хв
    Michael built one of the most unbelievable app ideas I've ever seen. And today he makes over $100K per month. But the real story is the IDEA. What's the secret? How does it make money? So in this video, we break down how Michael found this unbelievable app idea and the framework any builder can use to find their own crazy app ideas too. *Free: 100+ App Ideas in Health, Wealth & Self-Improvement:* https://clickhubspot.com/vq21 Follow Michael: https://twitter.com/michaelque22 Check out Go Tall: https://www.gotall.app/ 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 I can't believe this exists... 00:00:58 What's your story? 00:01:31 App breakdown 00:02:41 Michael's background 00:03:32 Health and Self-Improvement Apps 00:04:36 Finding the unbelievable idea 00:06:27 Advice for finding ideas 00:08:40 Growth and marketing 00:10:20 Tech stack 00:10:52 Go Tall demo 00:12:59 Advice: let go of your ego 00:14:35 Pat and Gus reflections: what an unbelievable idea! 00:17:01 Build YOUR app idea This video is an educational case study of this founder’s experience. It is not financial advice and does not guarantee any income or results. Every business is different and your results may vary.
  • Should I Quit My Job At Meta For My $30K/Month SaaS? 15.07.2026 15хв
    I traveled to Los Angeles to meet a guy who built a $30K/month golf app while he had a full-time job at a big tech company. But now he's facing a big decision: should he stay at his full-time job and keep building on the side? Or is it finally time to go all-in on his business? In this video, you will learn the incredible story behind how he built this successful business and by the end... you'll find out whether he stayed or quit! *190+ Micro-SaaS Ideas Making Millions:* https://clickhubspot.com/58ys Follow Matt: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-robinson-543b2678/ Check out Live Tourney: https://www.livetourney.com/ 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 Stay or quit? 00:00:43 Arrival! 00:01:02 Meet Matt 00:01:25 Business breakdown 00:01:43 Career life 00:02:13 Improve Pat’s swing! 00:02:47 Idea and build 00:03:32 How the app works 00:04:12 Is this a dumb decision? 00:04:40 Go build something! 00:05:44 What’s the plan? 00:06:55 The inflection point 00:07:40 Back against the wall 00:08:28 How to build with a full-time job 00:09:42 What it feels to build a successful app 00:10:30 Takeaways and reflections 00:11:31 The final decision! 00:12:08 Leaving the job 00:12:43 A family decision 00:13:18 What’s next? 00:14:42 Wrap up This video is an educational case study of this founder’s experience. It is not financial advice and does not guarantee any income or results. Every business is different and your results may vary.
  • She Built This $300K/Month App in 60 Days 12.07.2026 16хв
    Sarah turned a simple idea into an app called Stella. In JUST 2 months she hit $340K/Month. But... there’s a bigger story here: building apps is getting easier and easier. So who is going to win? Well, in this video, we break down how Sarah built a $300K/month app, and why she thinks she's the first of a much bigger wave. *Free: iOS Bootcamp:* https://clickhubspot.com/xg54 Follow Sarah: https://twitter.com/hhpriestess Check out Stella: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/stella-manifest-anything/id6757347283 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 She built this app 00:00:55 Meet Sarah 00:01:26 App breakdown 00:02:36 "But you have a following?" 00:03:27 Sarah's background 00:04:34 The year of iOS 00:05:15 Finding the app idea 00:06:23 Tech stack 00:07:08 The next wave of builders 00:08:58 Distribution and virality 00:10:16 Marketing examples 00:12:41 Advice to younger self 00:14:32 Pat and Gus: the next wave of builders This video is an educational case study of this founder’s experience. It is not financial advice and does not guarantee any income or results. Every business is different and your results may vary.
  • This Insanely Simple App Makes $50K/Month 05.07.2026 19хв
    Jake Glacer built one of the simplest apps I've ever seen. You almost can't believe it makes any money. But Jake found a viral idea, started marketing from the very beginning, and grew to over $50K/month in just 4 months. In this video, we break down how something this simple actually works and why a niche app like this is so easy to market. *iOS App Ideas:* https://go.starterstory.com/ios-app-ideas-lm-description Follow Jake: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jakeglacer/ Check out Erly: https://erly.co/ 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 Simples app idea ever? 00:00:59 What’s your story? 00:01:24 What’s the app? 00:02:22 Founder background 00:03:00 More simple iOS app ideas 00:04:03 Finding the idea 00:05:59 Build the app 00:07:27 How to find successful ideas 00:08:59 Growth and marketing 00:09:59 Marketing example 00:11:05 Deal structure 00:11:52 Tracking marketing results 00:13:01 Tech stack 00:13:59 App demo 00:14:50 Final advice: focus on marketing 00:15:51 Pat and Gus reflections: a crazy simple idea This video is an educational case study of this founder’s experience. It is not financial advice and does not guarantee any income or results. Every business is different and your results may vary.
  • How I Work: $10M/Year Serial Entrepreneur 01.07.2026 11хв
    Sam Parr is a serial entrepreneur who makes over $10M/year from his companies. Everyone who follows him wonders the same thing: how does he get so much done? This is a day in his life and how he actually works. *Get Sam’s guide to Run Your Life Like A $100M Business:* https://clickhubspot.com/cfgm Follow Sam: https://twitter.com/thesamparr & https://www.instagram.com/thesamparr/ Check out Hampton: https://joinhampton.com/ 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 Meet Sam Parr 00:00:30 Morning routine 00:01:14 Phone addiction 00:01:44 Staying focused 00:02:30 Daily habits 00:03:42 Work routine 00:05:02 Lessons from 1,000 podcasts 00:06:11 Traits of a successful founder 00:08:06 Finding business ideas 00:08:44 Dealing with uncertainty 00:09:20 Evening routine 00:10:38 Advice to all builders
  • We Built This $20K/Month App (Zero Coding Experience) 28.06.2026 13хв
    We traveled to Los Angeles, CA to meet the guys behind a $20K/month track app, hear their story, and learn about how they built this... while still in college (without knowing how to code!) *Free: iOS App Bootcamp:* https://clickhubspot.com/bo6a Follow Christian: https://x.com/Christianisrac Follow Braylin: https://x.com/Braylin2x Check out 3AK: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/3ak-track-field/id6756290066 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 The track app 00:00:34 Meeting the guys 00:01:10 What’s the app? 00:01:31 Founders background 00:02:10 Warm up and stretch! 00:02:41 Building the app (tools and tech) 00:03:33 Build your own iOS app 00:04:51 Coming up with app ideas 00:05:31 App demo 00:06:15 Pat tests the track app! 00:08:01 Building niche apps 00:08:44 Dropping out and balancing everything 00:09:47 The story behind the founders 00:10:50 Day in the life, making money in college 00:11:32 Final advice 00:12:27 Pat’s closing reflections This video is an educational case study of this founder’s experience. It is not financial advice and does not guarantee any income or results. Every business is different and your results may vary.
  • I Built a $10K/Month App With This One System 21.06.2026 15хв
    An built an app that has thousands of users and hit 6-figures ARR. But after almost running out of cash for this app, he spent 2 months developing a framework that completely transformed his business. In this video, we break down his entire system and how any builder can this for their own app. *Get our Organic Short Form Playbook:* https://clickhubspot.com/szvp *Grab An's Content Tracker:* https://www.starterstory.com/short-form-tracker?utm_source=youtube&utm_campaign=an-nayal-tracker *VSC Framework Deep Dive:* https://onelink.to/starterstory Follow An: https://twitter.com/consumerxai and https://www.youtube.com/@UCBQ73vil_z6FNvxhTJFopZg Check out his projects: https://www.annayal.com/ 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 Validate before building anything 00:01:07 What’s your story? 00:01:47 App breakdown and “ugly” spreadsheet 00:02:43 Founder background 00:03:43 Finding the app idea 00:04:12 More ways to grow apps 00:04:59 The VSC Framework 00:07:26 Content examples 00:08:47 The “ugly” content tracking spreadsheet 00:10:37 App demo 00:11:50 Tech stack and tools 00:12:36 Advice to founders 00:13:12 Pat and Gus reflections: create a system
  • The First App I Ever Built Makes $25K/Month 14.06.2026 18хв
    Kyan is a college student who built his first app and turned it into a $25K/month business. This is the story about how he found a tiny problem and turned it into a profitable app in just 5 months. *Free: $1M Attention Guide:* https://clickhubspot.com/pgxp Follow Kyan: https://x.com/kyanbuilds Check out ToneAdapt: https://www.toneadapt.com/ 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 Zero to $25K in 5 months 00:01:04 What's your story? 00:01:41 App breakdown 00:03:01 Kyan's background 00:03:40 Finding and validating the idea 00:04:20 The Attention Playbook 00:05:03 Solve your own problem 00:05:22 Build process and tech stack 00:06:51 Growth and marketing 00:07:39 Being "cringe" 00:08:20 Find something you already know 00:09:30 Find a tiny problem 00:10:11 Ship V1 FAST 00:10:32 Post 3x per day 00:11:09 Scale winning content 00:12:15 ToneAdapt demo 00:14:12 Advice to younger self 00:15:05 Pat and Gus reflections: a cool little idea
  • I Built A $1M SaaS In A Hidden Niche 10.06.2026 13хв
    Zac built an analytics SaaS, and just hit $1M ARR, But here's the thing... you've probably never heard of it. And that's the whole point! His business model is unique and that's exactly why he is successful. So, in this video, we break down why agencies are the dream customer nobody's building for and his advice for doing it all over again. *30+ Business Ideas in Unsexy Niches:* https://clickhubspot.com/ma5x Follow Zac: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zcherin/ Check out Hiro: https://www.hiroanalytics.com/ 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 Zero to $1M 00:00:56 What's your story? 00:01:25 SaaS breakdown 00:02:24 Business model 00:03:01 Zac's background 00:03:34 Find your overlooked business idea 00:04:16 Tools and tech stack 00:05:01 Building for agencies 00:07:10 Risks to the business 00:08:02 How to build a SaaS like this 00:09:19 Advice for founders 00:10:24 Pat and Gus reflections: the agency model
  • I Built Two Apps That Make $120K/Month 07.06.2026 14хв
    Kyle Fowler is a regular guy who runs two mobile apps that together do over $120,00K per month. This is the story of how a self-taught developer turned a hobby into one successful app... and then did it again. *Steal 90+ Business Ideas:* https://clickhubspot.com/3bnt Follow Kyle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kylefowler2/ Check out Cardstock: https://www.openbraceapps.com/ Check out Scanémon: https://www.scanemon.com/ 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 Building from your hobbies 00:00:57 What’s your story? 00:01:30 App businesses breakdown 00:02:51 Founder background 00:03:58 Solve your own problems! 00:04:44 Building the apps 00:05:23 Timeline and launch 00:06:05 Tech stack and costs 00:06:28 Idea and validation 00:07:59 Finding $1M app ideas 00:09:20 Marketing apps in 2026 00:10:11 App demo 00:11:01 Final advice 00:12:08 Pat and Gus reflections
  • I Built A $30K/Month App: Here's My Exact Process [Idea, Build, Marketing] 31.05.2026 14хв
    Benjamin Chen is a 20-year-old NYU student who’s built 45+ apps and scaled his latest app to $30K/month. What makes Benji different is he has a repeatable system that’s helped him build, launch, and grow his apps fast. This video breaks down the exact system he uses to scale apps profitably. *Free iOS App Bootcamp:* https://clickhubspot.com/r91p Follow Benji: https://twitter.com/benjiianc Check out Snag: https://snagapp.com/ 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 The system behind a successful app 00:01:05 Who is Benji? 00:01:26 App breakdown 00:02:25 Founder background 00:03:37 Build process 00:04:14 Build your own iOS apps!! 00:04:50 Tech stack and tools 00:05:39 Finding app ideas 00:06:39 Marketing apps 00:08:11 UGC example 00:08:50 Paid ads strategy 00:09:42 App Playbook (Step-by-Step) 00:11:59 Advice 00:13:02 Pat and Gus reflections: the proven system
  • I Built A Micro-Version Of A $1B SaaS. Now I Make $50K/Month 28.05.2026 11хв
    David (and his brother Daniel) launched Shipper, an AI app builder. But here's the secret... they didn't reinvent the wheel. They just saw a billion-dollar opportunity and thought, "if we capture just 1% of the market, maybe it could change our lives?" This is the story of how they grew shipper to over $50K/month by building a micro-version of a billion-dollar market. *Free Database: 50+ AI App Ideas Making Millions* https://clickhubspot.com/zgul Follow David: https://twitter.com/chhddavid Check out Shipper: https://shipper.now/ 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 Every idea is taken… 00:00:49 What’s your story? 00:01:27 Business breakdown 00:02:46 Founder background 00:03:29 More AI App Ideas 00:04:14 Idea behind the business 00:04:54 Build story 00:05:45 Tech stack 00:06:17 Growth and marketing 00:07:21 Finding the 1% difference 00:09:15 Advice to younger self 00:10:05 Pat and Gus reflections: Copy & Paste
  • I Built A $30K/Month in 35 Days 24.05.2026 18хв
    Cedric Roberge built an app called Pep AI. In just ONE MONTH, he hit 10,000 users and $30K in revenue (wow!!). This video breaks down how a college student found a trending niche, built the app, and scaled to $30K/month. *Free iOS Bootcamp:* https://clickhubspot.com/60ej Follow Cedric: https://twitter.com/Cedric_Roberge Check out Pep AI: https://pepaiapp.com/ 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 Knowing where to look 00:00:53 Who is Cedric? 00:01:13 App data and overview 00:02:20 Founder background 00:03:19 Build timeline and tech stack 00:04:44 Start building with AI 00:05:40 How to find a great app idea 00:06:51 Identifying viral ideas 00:08:09 Find ideas on social media 00:09:11 Review existing apps 00:09:59 Growth and Marketing 00:12:06 App Demo 00:13:34 8 - Advice to founders 00:15:13 Pat and Gus reflections: the power of building with AI
  • I Make $1.7M/Year In The Most Boring Niche Imaginable 21.05.2026 16хв
    Everyone is chasing the next trending idea, but this guy built a $1.7M/year business in the most boring category you can imagine. In this video, we break down how he found the idea and built it. And you'll learn why building in unsexy categories might be the best way to make millions. *Free: 30+ Business Ideas in Unsexy Niches:* https://clickhubspot.com/1okf Follow Bohdan: Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bohdan-drozdov/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@bohdansventures Insta: https://www.instagram.com/bo_in_the_wild/ 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 Nobody is paying attention to this category 00:00:59 Who is Bo? 00:01:24 App data and background 00:02:18 Build boring apps! 00:03:36 Finding the idea for Savvy Nomad 00:04:32 Why this boring app works 00:06:27 3 boring business app ideas 00:09:04 Boring apps playbook 00:11:53 How the business works 00:12:44 Tech stack 00:13:30 Advice to founders 00:14:27 Pat and Gus reflections: find unsexy ideas
  • My Two Apps Make $150K/Month Each 17.05.2026 16хв
    Nicole has multiple apps to over $150K/month. The questions is... how? What's the secret? How did she do it? Turns out, it's a finely tuned system that she has perfected. In this video, we break down what that system is and how anyone can put it into practice. *Get the free Mobile App Growth Cheat Sheet:* https://clickhubspot.com/zfj2 Follow Nicole: https://twitter.com/madebycol Check out Glam Up: https://www.glamup.ai/ Check Out Sprout: https://www.usesprout.com/ Grab Nicole's Playbook: https://tally.so/r/BzZpA4 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 I couldn’t believe this post… 00:01:07 Who is Nicole? 00:01:55 App background and data 00:03:15 Founder background 00:04:01 Building is easy, Marketing is (still) hard! 00:04:59 Finding the app idea 00:05:56 Growth overview 00:06:40 Data and numbers behind the content 00:07:26 App growth playbook 00:07:44 Where to market your app 00:08:33 Building a UGC system 00:09:01 Source content creators 00:09:36 Onboard creators for your app 00:10:25 Managing UGC creators 00:10:54 System and optimize your system 00:11:58 App demo 00:12:52 Build and tech stack 00:13:24 Final advice 00:14:06 Pat and Gus takeaways
  • I Built a $20K/Month App in 83 Days 10.05.2026 16хв
    In this video, we break down how a simple mobile app turned into a $20K/month business. But the real story is about how he validated the idea BEFORE writing a single line of code. By the end of this video, you will have playbook you can use to go validate your app. *Get our Mobile App Growth Cheat Sheet:* https://clickhubspot.com/rbh7 Follow Brian: https://twitter.com/brianshinsh Check out Once: https://once.film/ 🔔 Follow the Second Channel: @StarterStoryBuild 🏁 We're hiring: starterstory.com/jobs Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 The commitment metric 00:00:56 Meet Brian Shin 00:01:27 Business breakdown 00:02:35 Mobile app growth tactics 00:03:22 Founder background 00:04:25 App idea 00:05:48 Build process 00:06:35 Tech Stack 00:07:07 Validating the app 00:08:30 Validation Playbook 00:11:23 How the app works 00:12:18 Stop overthinking! 00:13:15 Pat and Gus reflections

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