The Walk: A Devotional Podcast from Worship Leader Magazine

Episodes

• Ep 177: NCS Collective: The Secret Behind Great Worship Songs 01.07.2026 44m

  What does it take to write a worship song that serves the Church? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Kurtis Parks sits down with Justin Barnett, Bryant Urich, and Anne Elise Sherrod of the NCS Collective to talk about songwriting, worship leadership, artist development, and the power of Christian community. The NCS Collective recently released their live worship album, Nothing But the Name, bringing together songwriters, artists, worship leaders, and creatives from across the country. But this conversation goes far beyond a new album. Bryant, Justin, and Anne Elise share how Nashville Christian Songwriters grew from a songwriting coaching program into a thriving creative community that helps Christian songwriters, worship leaders, and artists develop their craft while staying rooted in their faith. They discuss the songwriting process, the challenges of creating a live worship album, why community matters for creatives, and what they've learned from bringing together people from different church traditions, generations, and backgrounds around a shared love for Jesus. If you're a worship leader, songwriter, musician, or creative wondering how God can use your gifts for His Kingdom, this conversation is packed with practical wisdom and encouragement. Guest Bio The NCS Collective is the artist and worship expression of Nashville Christian Songwriters, a songwriting community, record label, publishing company, and artist development platform founded by industry veteran John Chisum. The collective exists to create and release faith-filled worship music while helping Christian songwriters and artists grow in their craft and calling. Their latest live worship album, Nothing But the Name, features songs written and led by members of the NCS community. Episode Highlights The story behind Nashville Christian Songwriters and the NCS Collective How a songwriting community became a record label and artist development platform The making of the live worship album Nothing But the Name Why collaboration beats competition in Christian music How songwriting helps believers tell their stories of faith The importance of artist development in today's music industry Why becoming a great songwriter starts with learning to tell the truth well How worship songs move from private prayer to congregational worship Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software that helps churches schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it today at:https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 176: Ginny Owens: What We Sing Shapes What We Believe 24.06.2026 42m

  What if the songs we sing on Sunday are shaping our faith more than we realize? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, award-winning artist, songwriter, worship leader, and author Ginny Owens joins us for a thoughtful conversation about worship, theology, discipleship, and the responsibility of leading people in song. After nearly three decades in Christian music, Ginny now serves at Redeemer Church Lincoln Square in New York City, where she helps lead worship in one of the most influential and spiritually diverse cities in the world. She shares what ministry looks like in a post-Christian culture, how worship can help people encounter Jesus, and why every worship leader should think deeply about the songs they choose. Ginny also discusses her new EP, Different Kind of Water, inspired by Jesus' conversation with the woman at the well in John 4. The project explores the longing every person carries and why Christ alone offers the living water that truly satisfies. Along the way, you'll hear stories from her years of touring, lessons learned from studying under Tim Keller, the vision behind The Asaph Project, and practical wisdom for worship leaders seeking to serve their churches with both theological depth and creativity. Whether you're a worship leader, songwriter, pastor, or simply someone who loves the Church, this conversation will challenge you to think more intentionally about worship and the truths that shape your faith. Guest Bio Ginny Owens has been a leading voice in Christian music for nearly three decades. A Dove Award-winning singer-songwriter, worship leader, and author, Ginny currently serves at Redeemer Church Lincoln Square in New York City. Her latest EP, Different Kind of Water, explores themes of spiritual longing, identity, and the living water found only in Christ. She is also launching The Asaph Project, a new initiative designed to provide biblically grounded training and resources for worship leaders. Episode Highlights • What ministry looks like in a post-Christian culture like New York City • Why worship songs are "portable theology" and shape what believers remember • Lessons learned from studying under Tim Keller • The vision behind The Asaph Project and training the next generation of worship leaders • Why singability matters more than most worship leaders realize • The story behind Ginny's new EP, Different Kind of Water • How churches can better connect worship, theology, and discipleship Pull Quote "WORSHIP MUSIC IS OUR PORTABLE THEOLOGY. WHAT WE SING IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO REMEMBER." Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it free today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Listen Links Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music YouTube Watch the full conversation on the Worship Leader Media YouTube channel. Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 175: Amanda Janson: When God's Calling Becomes an Idol 17.06.2026 41m

  What happens when the thing you believe God called you to becomes more important than God Himself? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Amanda Janson shares one of the most honest and powerful testimonies we've ever featured on the podcast. Before releasing her debut album, Sinner to Saint, Amanda found herself living the dream she thought God had given her. After moving to Nashville, pursuing Christian music, and chasing every opportunity she could find, the pressure began to take its toll. What started as a calling slowly became an obsession, and eventually her mental health collapsed under the weight of expectations. Amanda opens up about battling shame, depression, suicidal thoughts, and the moment God interrupted her darkest season. She shares how confession, surrender, worship, and rediscovering her identity in Christ became the pathway to healing and freedom. You'll also hear the story behind songs like "No Dark Corners" and "Where the Warfare Ends," why vulnerability matters in ministry, and how God used brokenness to create a message of hope through her debut album. This conversation is for anyone who feels exhausted, overwhelmed, discouraged, or trapped beneath expectations. Amanda's story is proof that God's grace reaches even into our darkest moments. Guest Bio Amanda Janson is a singer-songwriter, worship leader, and recording artist based in Nashville, Tennessee. Her debut album, Sinner to Saint, tells the story of God's redemption throughout her life—from addiction and depression to healing, freedom, and purpose. Amanda leads worship, writes music rooted in testimony, and shares openly about identity, mental health, and God's relentless pursuit of His children. Episode Highlights • How Amanda walked away from a promising opportunity before finding Christ • Why Christian success became an unhealthy idol • The hidden mental health struggle that nearly cost her everything • The powerful role confession plays in healing and freedom • How worship extends far beyond music • The story behind "No Dark Corners" and "Where the Warfare Ends" • Why identity is one of the most overlooked topics in the Church today Pull Quote "THE LORD ASKED ME, 'WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU—YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH ME OR YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH MUSIC?'" Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software that helps churches schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Learn more at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Listen Now Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music YouTube Watch the full episode on Worship Leader Media's YouTube channel. Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 174: Consumed By Fire: What to Do When You Want to Quit 10.06.2026 45m

  What do you do when you're exhausted, discouraged, and ready to quit? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, the brothers of Consumed By Fire share the deeply personal story behind some of the hardest seasons of their lives—and how God met them in the middle of it. Known for hit songs like "First Things First" and "Walk With Jesus," Caleb, Jordan, and Josh Ward open up about growing up in ministry, carrying on a family legacy of faith, life on the road, and the reality of burnout. They share how their father's years-long health battle forced them to confront exhaustion, disappointment, and questions about whether they could keep going. But this conversation isn't ultimately about burnout. It's about faith. It's about learning to trust God when you're tired, letting go of control, and discovering that God's calling doesn't disappear when life gets difficult. You'll also hear the story behind the band's name, why Scripture remains central to their songwriting, what they've learned from decades of ministry together as brothers, and the heart behind their upcoming album, Whole Wide World. If you've ever felt weary, overwhelmed, or tempted to walk away from something God called you to, this episode will remind you that God's faithfulness is often most visible when your strength is gone. Guest Bio Consumed By Fire is a Christian rock band made up of brothers Caleb Ward, Jordan Ward, and Josh Ward. Signed to Red Street Records, the group is known for hit songs including "First Things First" and "Walk With Jesus." Raised in a ministry family, the brothers have spent decades sharing the Gospel through music, performing more than 2,000 concerts across North America while carrying forward a legacy of faith, missions, and ministry. Their new album, Whole Wide World, releases June 12. Episode Highlights • The story behind the band's name and the Scripture that inspired it • How their father's health battle changed their perspective on faith and ministry • What to do when you're spiritually and emotionally exhausted • Why God's calling remains even when you feel like quitting • The importance of Scripture, community, and daily spiritual formation • Lessons learned from over 2,000 concerts and decades on the road • The heart behind their upcoming album, Whole Wide World Pull Quote "There have been moments where we said, 'We're done.' I'm just grateful that God never said He was done." Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software that helps churches schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Learn more at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Listen Now Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music YouTube Watch the full episode on Worship Leader Media's YouTube channel. Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 173: Alexandra Osteen: Why Worship Still Matters in a Distracted World 03.06.2026 42m

  What if worship was never just about music? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Alexandra Osteen of Lakewood Music shares an honest conversation about worship, calling, healing, church community, and the faithfulness of God across generations. As the Worship Director at Lakewood Church and part of the leadership behind Lakewood Music’s newest album House of Worship, Alexandra opens up about growing up in ministry, discovering her own personal faith, and learning to say yes to God’s calling—even when it felt intimidating. She also shares the powerful story behind the song Made You Well, inspired by scriptures on healing that her grandmother held onto after receiving a terminal cancer diagnosis decades ago. What began as declarations of faith eventually became part of her testimony of miraculous healing—and now a song being sung by the Church. From songwriting and collaboration to the role worship plays in shaping hearts, this conversation is a reminder that God is still faithful, still moving, and still drawing people close through worship. Guest Bio Alexandra Osteen is the Worship Director at Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas, and a leader with Lakewood Music. A graduate of the University of Texas at Austin, Alexandra has spent years leading worship and writing songs that point people toward the hope and faithfulness of God. She has been featured with Lakewood Music since its debut album Live in the Wonderful and continues to help lead worship for one of the largest and most influential churches in America. Episode Highlights When faith becomes personalAlexandra shares the moment she stopped living off her family’s faith and personally said yes to God’s calling. Why worship is more than music“God inhabits the praises of His people.” Alexandra explains why worship creates space for people to encounter God. The healing story behind “Made You Well”How her grandmother’s miraculous healing shaped one of the album’s most personal songs. How Lakewood Music writes songs for the ChurchWhy their focus is creating worship music rooted deeply in Scripture and hope. The role of community in spiritual growthWhy youth ministry and church community played such a critical role in Alexandra’s faith journey. Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it free today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 172: Alexander Pappas: Worship Isn’t Just for Sunday 27.05.2026 46m

  What if praise was never meant to be a warm-up for worship? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Alexander Pappas—founding member of Hillsong Young & Free and writer of songs like Alive, Wake, Real Love, and Echo—shares a passionate and deeply personal conversation about worship, grace, repentance, and the transformational power of praise. After years of leading worship around the world, Alexander opens up about the tension between confidence and humility, conviction and shame, and why praise is more than fast songs and high energy—it’s a spiritual posture that changes us from the inside out. He also shares the heart behind his new EP Sunday, the stories that shaped songs like It Is So Sweet, and why worship gatherings should equip believers for the other six days of the week. This conversation will challenge the way you think about worship—and remind you why praise still matters. Guest Bio Alexander Pappas is a world-renowned worship leader, songwriter, and founding member of the twice GRAMMY-nominated band Hillsong Young & Free. He is best known for writing songs including Alive, Wake, Real Love, Echo (Elevation Worship), and A Great Awakening. Alexander currently lives in Los Angeles and also serves as a contributor with Lakewood Music. His latest EP, Sunday, explores worship not just as a church experience, but as a lifestyle lived throughout the week. Episode Highlights Why praise is more than emotional hypeAlexander explains how praise shifts our hearts into agreement with God’s truth The difference between conviction and shameHow grace changes the way believers process failure and growth Why worship should prepare you for Monday—not just SundayThe deeper heart behind his new EP Sunday The danger of treating praise like a warm-upWhy fast songs still matter in modern worship culture How songs shape spiritual formation“Music connects our emotions to our intellect.” Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 171: Cliff Preston: The Church Didn’t Hurt You—People Did 20.05.2026 41m

  Church hurt is real.But what if we’ve misunderstood where the hurt actually comes from? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Cliff Preston shares one of the most honest conversations we’ve had about pain, ministry, mental health, and why community still matters even after disappointment. Growing up as the son of a pastor in broken church environments, Cliff experienced firsthand the tension, division, and emotional fallout that ministry can bring. But instead of walking away from the Church, he chose to stay—and help people heal. From leading worship and touring with The Band Table to launching Christ-centered counseling clinics across the country, Cliff opens up about why people need both truth and compassion, why mental health matters in the Church, and how God can resurrect things you thought were over. This episode is raw, hopeful, and deeply needed for anyone carrying disappointment, burnout, or questions about faith and community. Guest Bio Cliff Preston is a pastor, worship leader, songwriter, and entrepreneur from Smackover, Arkansas. For more than 20 years, he has traveled the country leading worship, writing songs, and speaking about faith and mental health. Cliff has written songs recorded by artists including Newsong, JJ Weeks, and Carrollton, and has shared stages with MercyMe, Jeremy Camp, and Natalie Grant. He is also the founder of Christ-centered counseling clinics inspired by the legacy of his late father, professional counselor and pastor Dr. David Preston. Cliff currently partners with People & Songs and serves with The Band Table. Episode Highlights “The church didn’t hurt you—people did”Cliff shares a perspective on church hurt shaped by personal pain and redemption Why mental health and faith belong togetherHow Cliff’s counseling clinics are helping churches care for hurting people The songwriting retreat that changed everythingHow a call from Jenny Riddle resurrected a season Cliff thought was over What real ministry looks like“Anybody can play a guitar and sing a song—ministry happens face to face.” Why community is essential for pastors and leadersThe role friendship and vulnerability play in lasting ministry Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it free today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 170: Meeks Carter: What If God Is Calling You to More? 13.05.2026 44m

  What do you do when God keeps stirring something in your heart—but none of it makes logical sense? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, rising Christian pop artist Meeks Carter shares the incredible story behind his journey from pest control and finance… to signing with Red Street Records and stepping into a calling he couldn’t ignore. But this conversation isn’t really about a record deal. It’s about obedience. It’s about trusting God before you have guarantees.Following Him before you see the outcome.And learning how to steward the gifts He’s placed inside you—even when no one else sees them yet. From building a makeshift studio in his garage after long workdays to moving his family to Nashville with no promises on the table, Meeks opens up about faith, purpose, comparison, creativity, and what it means to simply keep saying “yes” to God. If you’ve ever felt stuck between responsibility and calling, this episode will remind you that God often reveals the next step before He reveals the whole plan. Guest Bio Meeks Carter is a Christian pop artist signed to Red Street Records. Originally from Yakima, Washington, Meeks grew up as a pastor’s kid before attending Highlands College in Birmingham, Alabama. After years working outside of ministry in pest control and finance, Meeks and his family followed God’s leading to Nashville, Tennessee—where he signed with Red Street Records exactly 90 days after relocating. His debut single, “Wonder,” introduces listeners to his fresh pop sound and heart for helping people encounter Jesus through honest, hope-filled music. Episode Highlights What happens when God calls you before the plan makes senseMeeks shares the faith journey that led his family to Nashville with no guarantees Why your calling isn’t your job titleUnderstanding purpose beyond platforms, careers, or recognition Stewarding the gift before the opportunity comesBuilding songs in a garage studio while working long days in pest control How comparison kills callingWhy your assignment from God doesn’t need to look like anyone else’s Why Meeks writes music for the spiritually curiousReaching people who are asking questions about God but don’t know where to start Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 169: Kevin Young: The Truth About Sin No One Talks About 06.05.2026 49m

  Some pain doesn’t just go away.It follows you. It waits. It whispers. And if you’re not careful—it starts to feel like it owns you. In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Kevin Young of the band Disciple shares an unfiltered conversation about sin, freedom, and the battle every believer faces behind the scenes. After more than 30 years in Christian music, Kevin opens up about the reality that following Jesus doesn’t mean you stop struggling—it means you learn how to fight differently. From the story behind “Dear X (You Don’t Own Me)” to the hard lessons of confession, accountability, and healing, this episode is a reminder that the things chasing you don’t get the final word. Guest Bio Kevin Young is the lead vocalist of the Christian rock band Disciple, a group that has spent over 30 years blending hard rock with a bold message of faith. With 13 studio albums, multiple Dove Awards, and songs featured across major platforms like ESPN, WWE, and CBS, Disciple has impacted listeners around the world. Kevin is passionate about evangelism, authenticity, and helping people find freedom through Jesus. Episode Highlights Why sin doesn’t just disappear—it chases youThe powerful metaphor behind “Dear X (You Don’t Own Me)” The danger of “small” compromisesHow sin starts subtle—but spreads like cancer if left unchecked Why confession leads to healingThe difference between hiding struggles and bringing them into the light How music breaks through where words can’tWhy God uses music to reach places nothing else can What it really means to follow JesusNot perfection—but learning, failing, and being formed over time Pull Quote “SIN DOESN’T JUST LEAVE—IT WAITS. BUT THROUGH JESUS, IT DOESN’T OWN YOU ANYMORE.” Helpful Links Disciple Band: https://disciplerocks.com Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it free today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 168: Mark E. Moore: Savior or King? What Most Christians Get Wrong 29.04.2026 57m

  Most Christians would say they know Jesus. But what if we’ve misunderstood who He really is? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Mark E. Moore—teaching pastor at Christ’s Church of the Valley and bestselling author of Core 52—challenges one of the most foundational assumptions in modern faith: not whether we believe in Jesus, but whether we actually understand Him. From his years as a New Testament professor to leading at one of the largest churches in the country, Mark brings clarity to a question that reshapes everything: Have we reduced Jesus to something smaller than who He really is? This conversation explores the tension between seeing Jesus as Savior versus recognizing Him as Messiah and King—and why that distinction changes how we live, lead, and follow Him today. Guest Bio Mark E. Moore is the teaching pastor at Christ’s Church of the Valley in Peoria, Arizona—one of the fastest-growing churches in the United States. He previously spent over 20 years as a New Testament professor at Ozark Christian College and is the bestselling author of Core 52. Mark is passionate about making Scripture accessible, clear, and transformative for everyday life. He and his wife, Barbara, live in Phoenix. Episode Highlights Are we missing the real Jesus?How modern Christianity can unintentionally reshape Jesus into our own image Savior vs. King: why it mattersWhat happens when we embrace Jesus as Savior but ignore His authority as Messiah Why “personal faith” might be incompleteRecovering the power of a shared, lived-out faith in community The danger of a customized JesusHow culture influences the way we interpret Scripture and identity What it actually means to follow Jesus todayMoving from comfort to surrender—and from belief to embodied faith Pull Quote “IF YOU SEE JESUS ONLY AS SAVIOR, YOU’LL WAIT FOR HEAVEN SOMEDAY—INSTEAD OF LIVING ETERNAL LIFE RIGHT NOW.” Helpful Links Mark E. Moore Books: https://www.markmoore.org/ Christ’s Church of the Valley: https://ccv.church Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 167: Cade Thompson: Why We Forget What the Cross Really Means 22.04.2026 34m

  The cross is central to everything we believe.So why does it sometimes feel… familiar? In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Cade Thompson opens up about a tension many Christians quietly carry—what happens when the message of the cross stops feeling powerful and starts feeling routine. Growing up in church and now touring as a Christian artist, Cade shares how easy it is to lose the wonder of what Jesus has done—and how to find it again. From a life-changing moment at summer camp to a simple conversation in an airport that sparked his song “That’s What the Cross Is For,” this episode is a reminder that the gospel was never meant to become background noise—it was meant to transform everything. Guest Bio Cade Thompson is a Christian artist and songwriter based in Franklin, Tennessee. Originally from South Dakota, Cade has over 121 million lifetime streams and has toured with artists like Chris Tomlin, TobyMac, Newsboys, and Michael W. Smith. He is signed to Red Street Records and leads worship weekly at his local church, writing songs that reflect his passion for Jesus and the power of the gospel. Episode Highlights Why the message of the cross can lose its meaningAnd how to rediscover the wonder of what Jesus has done The story behind “That’s What the Cross Is For”How a simple airport conversation became a defining song How to stay spiritually fresh in worship and everyday lifeWhy your private time with God matters more than the platform Fighting comparison as a Christian creativeChoosing kingdom perspective over personal success What Gen Z is really looking for in worshipA shift toward authenticity, simplicity, and real encounters with God Pull Quote “WHEN YOU’VE BEEN WITH GOD IN PRIVATE, YOU DON’T HAVE TO TURN IT ON IN PUBLIC—IT JUST OVERFLOWS.” Helpful Links Instagram: https://instagram.com/cadethompson Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 166: Dan Rivera: The Worship Leader Trap No One Talks About 15.04.2026 50m

  This episode gets honest about something many worship leaders feel—but rarely say out loud. Dan Rivera has led on big stages, written songs heard around the world, and helped shape worship culture in the Church. But in this conversation, he pulls things back to what actually sustains a life in ministry: humility, real relationships, and a faith that doesn’t depend on the platform. Because the truth is—what people see on stage is only a window… not the whole life. Guest Bio Dan Rivera lives just outside New Orleans, Louisiana, where he serves as Worship Pastor at Church of the King. A songwriter, leader, and pastor, Dan is passionate about building healthy worship cultures that reach people and reflect the heart of the local church. He and his wife have been married for over 12 years and have three kids. Episode Highlights “Worship leading is a window—not the whole house”Why what people see on stage doesn’t define your spiritual health The hidden loneliness many worship leaders faceAnd how real relationships—not platforms—keep you grounded Why your closest friends shouldn’t all be worship leadersBreaking out of the “echo chamber” of ministry culture The most important trait for anyone on a worship team(Hint: it’s not talent) How to lead with faith in an uncertain worldA simple but powerful framework: Is God real? Then His promises are too. Pull Quote “Worship leading is a window into your life—it’s not the whole picture.” Helpful Links Church of the King: https://churchoftheking.com Listen to For The One album (search “Church of the King Worship”) Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it free today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 165: Clayton Brooks: The Danger of Leading Worship for People 08.04.2026 51m

  This episode is about the quiet tension every worship leader feels—but doesn’t always say out loud. Clayton Brooks has spent over 20 years in worship ministry, and in this conversation, he pulls back the curtain on what it really looks like to lead when no one’s responding, when insecurity creeps in, and when the line between worship and performance starts to blur. From leading in highly produced environments to moments where everything stripped away, Clayton shares why the greatest danger in worship isn’t getting it wrong—it’s slowly shifting who you’re doing it for. Guest Bio Clayton Brooks lives in Stokesdale, North Carolina, where he serves as Worship Pastor at Calvary Church of Greensboro. He’s a songwriter, producer, and pastor with over two decades of experience in worship ministry. Clayton is passionate about helping the Church—especially worship leaders—live what they sing. He’s married to Aunie, and they have three sons: Connor, Cayden, and Asher. Episode Highlights “Who are you leading for?”The subtle shift from leading people to God… to leading for people’s approval Why crowd response can quietly shape your leadershipAnd how to stay grounded when the room feels disengaged The tension between production and presenceAre we creating moments—or making space for God to move? What worship really is (and what it’s not)A needed reset for leaders navigating modern church culture The power of simple, unfiltered worshipWhy some of the most impactful moments happen when everything else falls away Pull Quote “Don’t let the room determine your leadership—lead from what God is doing in you.” Helpful Links Instagram: https://instagram.com/claytonbrooks Calvary Church Greensboro: https://calvarychurch.com Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it free today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=thewalk Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 164: Chris Clayton: Writing Worship Songs That Shape the Church 01.04.2026 49m

  Chris Clayton: Writing Worship Songs That Shape the Church What does it really mean to write songs for the Church—not just for a moment, but for generations? In this episode of The Walk, Chris Clayton shares his journey from a dream in Texas to becoming a trusted voice in worship songwriting and production in Nashville. With honesty and depth, Chris opens up about family, faith, discipline, and the responsibility of writing songs that don’t just sound good—but actually form people. Guest Bio Chris Clayton is a Nashville-based worship and CCM producer and songwriter signed to Story House Publishing, a creative venture led by Matthew West in partnership with Essential Music Publishing (Sony Music Entertainment). Originally from Beaumont, Texas, Chris has worked with artists including Chris Tomlin, Keith & Kristyn Getty, Shane & Shane, Bethel Music, Meredith Andrews, and more. He is passionate about helping churches and artists create songs that are theologically grounded, musically strong, and built to serve the Church for generations. Chris lives in the Nashville area with his wife Kara and their five children. Episode Highlights What does it mean to write a “legacy” worship song?Chris explains the difference between songs that trend and songs that endure. How do you balance calling, creativity, and family?A real look at discipline, boundaries, and staying faithful in every season. Are we writing for the Church—or for platforms?A needed challenge to refocus on shepherding people through song. Why does Scripture have to be the foundation of songwriting?“Songwriting doesn’t start with vibes—it starts with Scripture.” What is the Church missing in worship music today?Chris shares why we need more songs about God’s character, the cross, and His faithfulness. Pull Quote “Songwriting doesn’t start with vibes—it starts with Scripture.” Helpful Links Website: https://www.chrisclaytonmusic.com/Instagram: http://instagram.com/chrisclaytonmusicFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/chrismclayton78 Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it free today at https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=thewalk&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=wlm Listen Apple PodcastsSpotifyAmazon Music Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 163: Tommee Profitt: When God Took Over the Creative Process 25.03.2026 46m

  What if your biggest project wasn’t just creative—but deeply spiritual? In this episode, Tommee Profitt shares how The Resurrection of a King was born out of surrender, obedience, and a powerful encounter with God that reshaped how he creates music. About This EpisodeTommee Profitt is known for cinematic music that reaches billions—but behind the success is a story of calling, tension, and rediscovering worship. From producing chart-topping hits to creating faith-centered orchestral albums, Tommee opens up about the moment everything shifted—and why this project feels more important than anything he’s ever done. What You’ll Hear in This Episode How a 2AM moment led to The Resurrection of a King Why Tommee says this project felt “downloaded from God” The tension between mainstream success and spiritual calling How he chooses the right voice for every song His honest thoughts on AI, creativity, and staying grounded Why obedience matters more than platform or recognition Key TakeawayTommee reminds us that creativity isn’t just expression—it can be an act of surrender. When God is at the center, the goal shifts from success to impact. Standout Moment“It felt like these songs were downloaded to me—and I just got to hear them before everyone else.” About Tommee ProfittTommee Profitt is a Nashville-based producer, songwriter, and composer whose work spans film, television, and mainstream music. With over 100 billion streams globally and collaborations with artists like NF, Avril Lavigne, and Josh Groban, Tommee is known for his cinematic sound. A former worship leader, his recent projects—including The Birth of a King and The Resurrection of a King—reflect a deep return to faith-driven creativity. Links & Resources Tommee Profitt: https://www.tommeeprofitt.com Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tommeeprofitt SponsorThis episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it free today at https://www.planningcenter.com Listen & SubscribeListen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you stream podcasts. Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 162: Amber Peairs: Why Worship Leaders Lose Their Identity (And How to Get It Back) 18.03.2026 46m

  Real worship leadership begins long before the stage. In this episode of The Walk, Kurtis Parks sits down with worship pastor, mentor, and founder of The Worship Life, Amber Peairs, to talk about identity, leadership health, and why so many worship leaders quietly struggle behind the scenes. Amber shares wisdom from more than three decades in worship ministry—along with hard-won lessons about calling, comparison, feedback culture, and learning to lead from a place of sonship rather than performance. Guest Bio Amber Peairs is a worship pastor, vocal coach, speaker, and mentor with more than 30 years of experience in full-time ministry. She is the founder of The Worship Life, an international training hub equipping worship pastors and teams to lead with clarity, excellence, and Kingdom impact. Amber provides coaching, courses, and resources for worship leaders while consulting with churches around the world. She is also a songwriter with five English albums and one Spanish album. Episode Highlights Why do worship teams struggle with culture?Amber explains that one of the biggest challenges globally is helping teams rediscover their why and building a healthy culture rooted in biblical worship. What is the biblical definition of worship?Amber simplifies it powerfully: worship is love expressed. When teams understand this, it shifts the focus from performance to devotion. How can leaders help volunteers grow in skill?Develop a culture of feedback, mentorship, and intentional coaching so musicians continually “skill up” instead of coasting. How should worship leaders handle comparison?Amber encourages leaders to stay focused on their God-given assignment and resist measuring their calling against someone else’s platform. What’s the biggest issue facing young worship leaders today?Identity. When creatives tie their worth to their gifting instead of their identity in Christ, it leads to burnout, insecurity, and striving. Pull Quote “Your gifting is what you do — but your identity is who you are. When worship leaders confuse the two, ministry becomes striving instead of worship.” Helpful Links Amber PeairsWebsite: https://www.theworshiplife.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/amberpeairsYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@amberpeairsFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/theworshiplifeofficialSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0Ub2M2bxb3xjiz20qZuWUf?si=lkAqGSesQPmzJ1v83IuIAQ Sponsor This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized.Learn more at: https://planningcenter.com Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 161: Jeff Deyo: Getting Comfortable in the Uncomfortable When God Calls You Deeper 11.03.2026 45m

  When God disrupts what’s familiar, He’s often inviting us into deeper trust.In this episode of The Walk, Kurtis Parks sits down with Jeff Deyo to talk about calling, pain, faithfulness, and what it really means to shepherd people—not just lead platforms. In this conversation, you’ll hear Jeff and Kurtis talk about: Why pastoring is less about performance and more about guiding people to God How pain and disappointment often precede clarity in our calling What it looks like to be “comfortable in the uncomfortable” as a follower of Jesus Why the church doesn’t need more spectators—it needs more shepherded disciples The difference between feeding sheep and teaching them how to graze Staying rooted when it would be easier to walk away Guest Bio Jeff Deyo is the lead pastor of Trinity Church Waxahachie in Waxahachie, Texas, near Dallas. He is an author, speaker, leadership coach, and longtime worship leader best known as the former lead singer of the Grammy-nominated, Dove Award-winning band Sonicflood. Jeff has written and recorded over 75 songs, authored several books on worship and leadership, and served for 14 years as a professor at North Central University in Minneapolis. Today, Jeff’s heart is centered on pastoring people into deeper intimacy with God, raising up disciples, and helping leaders live rooted, Spirit-led lives. Pull Quote “The only place God wants you to be comfortable is in the uncomfortable—because that’s where faith actually grows.” Helpful Links https://www.jeffdeyo.comhttps://www.instagram.com/jeffdeyo Sponsor: Planning Center This episode is brought to you by Planning Center—the all-in-one software that helps churches plan services, schedule volunteers, and stay organized so ministry can thrive.Try it free today at:https://planningcenter.com Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 160: Steven Félix-Jäger: Bringing Jubilee to the Church and the World 04.03.2026 50m

  In a divided and distracted age, what does it really mean for the Church to be the hope of the world? In this rich and wide-ranging conversation, Kurtis Parks sits down with theologian, worship pastor, and author Steven Félix-Jäger to rediscover the Church’s calling to live as a people of Jubilee. Episode 160Hosted by Kurtis Parks Steven invites us to zoom out—beyond our local context, beyond our political moment—and see the global, Spirit-filled movement of God through His Church. In This Episode, We Talk About: What Scripture really says about the Church as the “hope of the world” The biblical meaning of Jubilee—and how it shapes Christian generosity Why being rooted in a local church still matters in a post-2020 world The danger of interpreting ancient Scripture through a narrow modern lens How worship unites the global Church across cultures and denominations Writing songs from the real stories happening in your congregation Major on the majors: how to lead worship with theological clarity and unity About Steven Félix-Jäger Steven Félix-Jäger is Associate Professor of Theology & Worship, Chair of Worship & Media, and Director of Academic Research at Life Pacific University in Southern California. A theologian, exhibiting artist, songwriter, and producer, he is the author or co-author of eight books exploring worship, aesthetics, theology, and culture. Born on the mission field in Schillingsfürst, Germany to a Puerto Rican and German family, Steven brings a deeply global perspective to his work in the Church. He serves as a worship pastor at Pasadena Foursquare Church and lives in Southern California with his wife Connie, daughter Mila, and their dog Biggie. His latest book, How to Worship for All Its Worth: A Guide for Pastors, Worship Leaders, and Students, is available now. Helpful Links How to Worship for All Its Worth (Book):https://www.amazon.com/How-Worship-All-Its-Worth/dp/0310172667 Life Pacific University:https://lifepacific.edu Pasadena Foursquare Church:https://pasadenafoursquare.com This episode is brought to you by Planning Center—the all-in-one software built to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized without the chaos. Whether you're leading worship, managing teams, or planning Sunday morning, Planning Center keeps everything in one place so you can focus on ministry. Try it free today by clicking here. Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 159: Derek Welborn: When a Season of Loss Becomes a Calling 25.02.2026 48m

  In this episode of The Walk, Kurtis Parks sits down with pastor-turned-maker Derek Welborn to tell a story that starts with loss, wrestles through identity, and unfolds into unexpected calling. What began as a painful journey through alopecia became the soil God used to birth Saints Western—and a deeper trust in His timing. Episode 159Host: Kurtis Parks In This Episode, You’ll Hear: How losing his hair forced Derek to confront identity, fear, and faith Why unanswered prayers can still become sacred turning points The role community plays when God invites us to step out in faith How Saints Western was born from pain, craftsmanship, and obedience What it looks like to follow God when the next step feels unclear Guest Bio Derek Welborn lives in Austin, Texas, with his wife Jill and their daughters, Jaymes and Gray. After 15 years in full-time ministry, Derek stepped into a new season when a battle with severe alopecia disrupted everything he thought he knew about calling and identity. What began as a deeply personal loss became the birthplace of Saints Western, a brand rooted in craftsmanship, legacy, and faith. Today, Derek continues to tell redemptive stories—through community, creativity, and a life surrendered to God’s leading. Pull Quote “WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE END OF MY STORY WAS ACTUALLY THE PLACE GOD STARTED WRITING A NEW ONE.” Helpful Links https://www.saintswestern.comhttps://www.instagram.com/derekwelbornhttps://www.instagram.com/saintswestern Sponsor — Planning Center This episode is brought to you by Planning Center, the all-in-one software built to help churches stay organized and care for people well. From scheduling volunteers to planning services, Planning Center frees church leaders to focus on ministry instead of logistics.Try it free today at:https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=thewalk&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=episode159 Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
• Ep 158: Tim Timmons: Waking Up Again When Faith, Grief, and Gratitude Collide 18.02.2026 49m

  Sometimes faith isn’t about finding answers. Sometimes it’s about waking up again—and choosing to join Jesus right where you are. In this episode of The Walk, host Kurtis Parks sits down with singer-songwriter Tim Timmons for a conversation that is honest, challenging, and deeply hope-filled. Episode 158Host: Kurtis Parks Episode Highlights How a terminal cancer diagnosis at 25 reshaped Tim’s faith and view of God Why Tim says he stopped “working for Jesus” and started learning how to join Him What worship looks like when it’s about attention, not performance How grief and gratitude can live side by side without canceling each other out The story behind Even If, I Can Only Imagine 2, and Tim’s new book Waking Up Again Why the Church isn’t something you attend—but a people sent to bless the world Guest Bio Tim Timmons is a Nashville, Tennessee–based singer-songwriter, worship leader, and author who has spent more than two decades in ministry. Diagnosed with incurable cancer at age 25 and given five years to live, Tim is now more than 24 years into that journey. He is the co-writer of MercyMe’s Grammy-nominated hit “Even If,” the subject of the upcoming film I Can Only Imagine 2, and the author of Waking Up Again: A Journey of Grief and Gratitude. Through music, storytelling, and daily practices of faith, Tim helps people discover the real life found with Jesus—one day at a time. Pull Quote “I quit working for Jesus—and started learning how to join Him.” Helpful Links Official Movie Site: https://icanonlyimagine.com/Movie Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4M6Vi4Uc04Publicity Materials: https://www.lionsgatepublicity.com/theatrical/i-can-only-imagine-2Tim Timmons / Integrity Music: https://integritymusic.com/10000 Minutes: https://10000minutes.org/ Sponsor: Planning Center This episode of The Walk is brought to you by Planning Center—the all-in-one software that helps churches schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay connected throughout the week. If you’re leading people—not just gatherings—Planning Center helps remove friction so you can focus on what matters most. Try it free today at:https://planningcenter.com/?utm_source=worshipleadermag&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=worshipleadermagazine Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.